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"Got bored, so I decided to create a Borg playable faction"

Saw this over on reddit just now. Thought it was worth a share:

Ok, not really a "faction"; more of a proof of concept type thing. But anyway, I was playing around in the costume editor the other day and realized you can make a pretty decent looking Borg with with basic parts:

https://imgur.com/a/DKwBS

So I thought, Ok; I can make my character and crew look like Borg. I can make my ship look like it's been assimilated (using Borg rep gear), so if there were just Borg themed missions (with you playing that role) you would basically have a Borg faction.

With those thoughts in mind I created the foundry mission called "Borg Faction Test", which you can currently find in the "review" section for both Fed and KDF characters.

If you decide to play, I highly recommend making your character over like the example I posted above and using the Borg parts on your ship, to get the right feel and atmosphere.

I'm not saying this mission makes the case that there "should" be a Borg faction; but maybe it at least gives an idea of what one might feel like.

Addendum: here is something I could realistically see happening one day. A Borg "faction" where your tutorial is you as a Fed/KDF responding to a distress call. A base, or something, is under attack by the Borg. After a valiant effort, the battle is won...by the Borg. You are assimilated. Then you play through half a dozen episodes wreaking havoc as a Borg, after which you are eventually rescued and continue to play afterwards as a Liberated Borg.

https://www.reddit.com/r/sto/comments/89588w/got_bored_so_i_decided_to_create_a_borg_playable/

Could be interesting.

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  • scififan78scififan78 Member Posts: 1,383 Arc User
    Looks more like a proto-borg.
  • leemwatsonleemwatson Member Posts: 4,689 Arc User
    Well, yes, you can head-canon yourself that way if you have LTS, but it's not going to make a Borg faction happen yet. I can see in the future when they expand Delta that they'll make a Co-operative Mini-faction for LTS. And I say that, as it's one of the main draws for buying LTS in the first place and it would irk every LTS player off to the highest degree if this perk was suddenly de-perked.

    That being said, and I can see CBS being absolutely against this too, there should be no player access to Cubes. The Dev's have already explained the logistical reasons why not already. As it stands, I prefer using the Assimilated sets on ships for my Borg related stuff, and the Cubes don't appeal to me in the slightest.

    When it comes to requests for a Borg faction, people are quick to forget, that with the absolute rarest of exceptions, Borg work as one, not as individuals. This is why a true Borg faction cannot work in any ST MMO. You have to do exactly as you're told, otherwise you're disassembled by your own people! Even Seven did so until she was severed from the Collective as did Locutus. They were not fully individual of the collective. Only the Queen was a true individual in a manner of speaking, although whether she was the only Queen, or one of a number is a matter of debate.
    "You don't want to patrol!? You don't want to escort!? You don't want to defend the Federation's Starbases!? Then why are you flying my Starships!? If you were a Klingon you'd be killed on the spot, but lucky for you.....you WERE in Starfleet. Let's see how New Zealand Penal Colony suits you." Adm A. Necheyev.
  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,889 Arc User
    leemwatson wrote: »
    Well, yes, you can head-canon yourself that way if you have LTS, but it's not going to make a Borg faction happen yet. I can see in the future when they expand Delta that they'll make a Co-operative Mini-faction for LTS. And I say that, as it's one of the main draws for buying LTS in the first place and it would irk every LTS player off to the highest degree if this perk was suddenly de-perked.

    That being said, and I can see CBS being absolutely against this too, there should be no player access to Cubes. The Dev's have already explained the logistical reasons why not already. As it stands, I prefer using the Assimilated sets on ships for my Borg related stuff, and the Cubes don't appeal to me in the slightest.

    When it comes to requests for a Borg faction, people are quick to forget, that with the absolute rarest of exceptions, Borg work as one, not as individuals. This is why a true Borg faction cannot work in any ST MMO. You have to do exactly as you're told, otherwise you're disassembled by your own people! Even Seven did so until she was severed from the Collective as did Locutus. They were not fully individual of the collective. Only the Queen was a true individual in a manner of speaking, although whether she was the only Queen, or one of a number is a matter of debate.

    I've been an LTS member since the game was in beta, and a cooperative faction for all wouldn't bother me in the least. Why? Because the perk of being a lifer is exclusive access to Liberated Borg for the original two factions (Romulan didn't exist back then, so they're busy a bonus), it has never been said that we have exclusive rights to all playable Borg to ever be released. AoY also showed that the devs have no problem releasing a new faction without an LTS exclusive race.

    If anything, if / when they release a Cooperative faction they may lock human / Romulan / Klingon races behind the LTS, but there's no reason the faction itself would need to be.
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  • leemwatsonleemwatson Member Posts: 4,689 Arc User
    leemwatson wrote: »
    Well, yes, you can head-canon yourself that way if you have LTS, but it's not going to make a Borg faction happen yet. I can see in the future when they expand Delta that they'll make a Co-operative Mini-faction for LTS. And I say that, as it's one of the main draws for buying LTS in the first place and it would irk every LTS player off to the highest degree if this perk was suddenly de-perked.

    That being said, and I can see CBS being absolutely against this too, there should be no player access to Cubes. The Dev's have already explained the logistical reasons why not already. As it stands, I prefer using the Assimilated sets on ships for my Borg related stuff, and the Cubes don't appeal to me in the slightest.

    When it comes to requests for a Borg faction, people are quick to forget, that with the absolute rarest of exceptions, Borg work as one, not as individuals. This is why a true Borg faction cannot work in any ST MMO. You have to do exactly as you're told, otherwise you're disassembled by your own people! Even Seven did so until she was severed from the Collective as did Locutus. They were not fully individual of the collective. Only the Queen was a true individual in a manner of speaking, although whether she was the only Queen, or one of a number is a matter of debate.

    I've been an LTS member since the game was in beta, and a cooperative faction for all wouldn't bother me in the least. Why? Because the perk of being a lifer is exclusive access to Liberated Borg for the original two factions (Romulan didn't exist back then, so they're busy a bonus), it has never been said that we have exclusive rights to all playable Borg to ever be released. AoY also showed that the devs have no problem releasing a new faction without an LTS exclusive race.

    If anything, if / when they release a Cooperative faction they may lock human / Romulan / Klingon races behind the LTS, but there's no reason the faction itself would need to be.

    Yes there is a reason. That would utterly diminish the value of Liberated Borg for LTS to zero, and remember, Co-operative ARE Liberated Borg in every sense. Another reason.....CBS has already mostly likely said no, which is why we only have them as conditional LTS.
    "You don't want to patrol!? You don't want to escort!? You don't want to defend the Federation's Starbases!? Then why are you flying my Starships!? If you were a Klingon you'd be killed on the spot, but lucky for you.....you WERE in Starfleet. Let's see how New Zealand Penal Colony suits you." Adm A. Necheyev.
  • postagepaidpostagepaid Member Posts: 2,872 Arc User
    LTS borg perk had to expand to include the romulans. Made sense as they are or were one of the primary powers in the quadrant. To make a playable faction they'd have to make it sub perk only which I doubt they'd do as income focus is firmly on the gamblebox key & ship model.

    Locking the three main races to a playable faction would just trigger a massive storm.

    I've not been looking into the ViL info being put out so don't know if it's been raised but I can't see a way they could contrive a jem also being a liberated borg. And as a LTS player I'm fine with that, same way I'm fine with a tos(er) being unmodified.
  • stark2kstark2k Member Posts: 1,458 Arc User
    So in essence folks here want to see the Cooperative as a playable faction, as a TRUE Borg faction is fundamentally "EVIL." That means whatever created the Borg erased the original species from existence and became a maligned technological nightmare. Like a plagued or a galactic virus spreading throughout space consuming and changing DNA sequence etc...

    Borg in essence are pure evil, as it is the one thing that destroys individuality, erase heritage & culture, and subjugate the masses into a collective, it is liken unto communism on steroids, clumped up with blunt force trauma tactics.

    I can't see the Borg as a Viable playable race, however; That being said, I do see a playable Cooperative playable race, with many of the odd shaped ships from those TNG episodes involving Hue or Lore, Data's older brother.
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  • thegrandnagus1thegrandnagus1 Member Posts: 5,126 Arc User
    edited April 2018
    I created the mission in question. The foundry is currently down so until it is back up you won't be able to playtest this mission. However, I will describe it for anyone interested:

    1) you are instructed to report to a Borg complex

    2) after arriving, you are assigned several tasks to perform around the complex (repairs, updates, etc)

    3) you are assigned to go to a space system and assimilate the people there.

    3A) on the space map, you defeat the defending ships and transport borg drones to the bases

    3B) you eventually beam down to one base and have a ground fight while injecting probes to various NPCs on the grond

    4) you are instructed to deliver the new drones back to the Borg complex.

    5) After delivering the drones, you return to your alcove for regeneration, and the mission ends.

    Like I said in the reddit post, I could see a Borg faction happening where you play as "actual" Borg for short time doing the types of things I mentioned above, although that could obviously only last so long. Eventually I would expect the story to have you rescued from the collective and playing as part of the Liberated Borg group from that point, probably fighting the "real" Borg.

    PS: I actually put a bit of effort into the Borg complex map, as I envisioned this as the "faction hub". I tried to create a creepy Borg atmosphere with drones walking around and smoke effects and things. I would be interested in any feedback on this map especially when the foundry is back up.

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  • where2r1where2r1 Member Posts: 6,054 Arc User
    You can make your character LOOK like a Borg. But they still move like a Liberated Borg, right? So there is that.

    From what I can remember of the TV shows and movies...Borg are slow moving and mostly unaware of their surroundings unless directed other wise. Why would you want to play this way?
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  • thegrandnagus1thegrandnagus1 Member Posts: 5,126 Arc User
    where2r1 wrote: »
    You can make your character LOOK like a Borg. But they still move like a Liberated Borg, right? So there is that.

    From what I can remember of the TV shows and movies...Borg are slow moving and mostly unaware of their surroundings unless directed other wise. Why would you want to play this way?

    Well, you can walk rather than run if you wanted to, but for me it's too slow to enjoy playing the game. That said, here are some thoughts I had when creating this mission. We know Locutus was not your "standard" Borg. He was somewhat unique, and from what I recall of First Contact the Queen even stated he would have been her equal(or something like that), and she offered Data the same thing if he joined her. This means there IS a precedent for a Borg with more individuality than others. And if that is the case, you could tell the story from the perspective that the player is that type of Borg. And in theory, that type of Borg might be able to do things that normal Borg could not (move faster, etc).

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  • leemwatsonleemwatson Member Posts: 4,689 Arc User
    where2r1 wrote: »
    You can make your character LOOK like a Borg. But they still move like a Liberated Borg, right? So there is that.

    From what I can remember of the TV shows and movies...Borg are slow moving and mostly unaware of their surroundings unless directed other wise. Why would you want to play this way?

    Well, you can walk rather than run if you wanted to, but for me it's too slow to enjoy playing the game. That said, here are some thoughts I had when creating this mission. We know Locutus was not your "standard" Borg. He was somewhat unique, and from what I recall of First Contact the Queen even stated he would have been her equal(or something like that), and she offered Data the same thing if he joined her. This means there IS a precedent for a Borg with more individuality than others. And if that is the case, you could tell the story from the perspective that the player is that type of Borg. And in theory, that type of Borg might be able to do things that normal Borg could not (move faster, etc).

    As I stipulated about Seven and Locutus, they had a viewer's perception of 'individuality' but they were a 'mouthpiece', nothing more. Seven did not outwardly demonstrate that her connection to the collective was weakened when in fluidic space, but the influence was still there, and once back in normal space, the callousness of the collective showed upon defeat of the Undine. Seven couldn't fight to seperate to become an individual because that was all she knew.

    It was slightly different with Picard as he fought all the time, and the observant viewer could spot the tear and odd tick, but even he couldn't wilfully break the collective's hold on his own. This is why playing as the collective cannot work because people will want to mess around and push what they can do. As I said, in the collective, defective drones are usually recycled, they are usually not fixed.
    "You don't want to patrol!? You don't want to escort!? You don't want to defend the Federation's Starbases!? Then why are you flying my Starships!? If you were a Klingon you'd be killed on the spot, but lucky for you.....you WERE in Starfleet. Let's see how New Zealand Penal Colony suits you." Adm A. Necheyev.
  • thegrandnagus1thegrandnagus1 Member Posts: 5,126 Arc User
    edited April 2018
    leemwatson wrote: »
    where2r1 wrote: »
    You can make your character LOOK like a Borg. But they still move like a Liberated Borg, right? So there is that.

    From what I can remember of the TV shows and movies...Borg are slow moving and mostly unaware of their surroundings unless directed other wise. Why would you want to play this way?

    Well, you can walk rather than run if you wanted to, but for me it's too slow to enjoy playing the game. That said, here are some thoughts I had when creating this mission. We know Locutus was not your "standard" Borg. He was somewhat unique, and from what I recall of First Contact the Queen even stated he would have been her equal(or something like that), and she offered Data the same thing if he joined her. This means there IS a precedent for a Borg with more individuality than others. And if that is the case, you could tell the story from the perspective that the player is that type of Borg. And in theory, that type of Borg might be able to do things that normal Borg could not (move faster, etc).

    As I stipulated about Seven and Locutus, they had a viewer's perception of 'individuality' but they were a 'mouthpiece', nothing more.

    Again, in First Contact the queen stated Picard could have been an equal (or something similar) and offered Data the same thing. I do get that the vast majority of Borg are just drones, but canon (not me) says there are exceptions. And when it comes to video games, the player is always the exceptional hero of the story. There's no reason to think it would be different with a Borg faction.

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  • leemwatsonleemwatson Member Posts: 4,689 Arc User
    leemwatson wrote: »
    where2r1 wrote: »
    You can make your character LOOK like a Borg. But they still move like a Liberated Borg, right? So there is that.

    From what I can remember of the TV shows and movies...Borg are slow moving and mostly unaware of their surroundings unless directed other wise. Why would you want to play this way?

    Well, you can walk rather than run if you wanted to, but for me it's too slow to enjoy playing the game. That said, here are some thoughts I had when creating this mission. We know Locutus was not your "standard" Borg. He was somewhat unique, and from what I recall of First Contact the Queen even stated he would have been her equal(or something like that), and she offered Data the same thing if he joined her. This means there IS a precedent for a Borg with more individuality than others. And if that is the case, you could tell the story from the perspective that the player is that type of Borg. And in theory, that type of Borg might be able to do things that normal Borg could not (move faster, etc).

    As I stipulated about Seven and Locutus, they had a viewer's perception of 'individuality' but they were a 'mouthpiece', nothing more.

    Again, in First Contact the queen stated Picard could have been an equal (or something similar) and offered Data the same thing. I do get that the vast majority of Borg are just drones, but canon (not me) says there are exceptions. And when it comes to video games, the player is always the exceptional hero of the story. There's no reason to think it would be different with a Borg faction.

    True, but Cryptic has to keep the Borg true to the original canon to make it work, and possibly, yes they could be the new PvP oriented faction as the KDF was originally, however, again, they have to keep to the script to be convincing Borg, which just won't work with humans! lol. I could go on, but pain and the dreaded flu are stunting my debating abilities at the moment.

    The Co-Operative would be fantantastic, and a great appeal to add to LTS memberships. People have quietly been asking for more value to it, and it makes perfect sense. Yes it cuts out free players (they don't have access to Liberated Borg anyway, which is what the Co-operative essentially is), but it could be a mini faction just like AoY, so in effect, has no real effect on game-play and no-one is at a disadvantage.
    "You don't want to patrol!? You don't want to escort!? You don't want to defend the Federation's Starbases!? Then why are you flying my Starships!? If you were a Klingon you'd be killed on the spot, but lucky for you.....you WERE in Starfleet. Let's see how New Zealand Penal Colony suits you." Adm A. Necheyev.
  • thegrandnagus1thegrandnagus1 Member Posts: 5,126 Arc User
    leemwatson wrote: »
    True, but Cryptic has to keep the Borg true to the original canon to make it work,

    Honestly not sure what you mean by "original canon". I cited the comments made by the Borg Queen in the movie First Contact, which is definitely canon. However, the truth is we simply don't know what "rules" Cryptic has to follow. We now have endgame connies, so anything is possible at this point =P

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  • postagepaidpostagepaid Member Posts: 2,872 Arc User
    I always took the queen in first contact to be the embodiment of the collective rather than an individual. Her body died at the end of the movie but the collective would always have her presence within to implant into a new body as the need arose.

    A bit like how locutus was created and given a name rather than number in order to give the humans a face to "represent" them and make them more receptive to assimilation. It was one way they adapted to combat humanity and their need to be individuals.
  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,889 Arc User
    leemwatson wrote: »
    leemwatson wrote: »
    Well, yes, you can head-canon yourself that way if you have LTS, but it's not going to make a Borg faction happen yet. I can see in the future when they expand Delta that they'll make a Co-operative Mini-faction for LTS. And I say that, as it's one of the main draws for buying LTS in the first place and it would irk every LTS player off to the highest degree if this perk was suddenly de-perked.

    That being said, and I can see CBS being absolutely against this too, there should be no player access to Cubes. The Dev's have already explained the logistical reasons why not already. As it stands, I prefer using the Assimilated sets on ships for my Borg related stuff, and the Cubes don't appeal to me in the slightest.

    When it comes to requests for a Borg faction, people are quick to forget, that with the absolute rarest of exceptions, Borg work as one, not as individuals. This is why a true Borg faction cannot work in any ST MMO. You have to do exactly as you're told, otherwise you're disassembled by your own people! Even Seven did so until she was severed from the Collective as did Locutus. They were not fully individual of the collective. Only the Queen was a true individual in a manner of speaking, although whether she was the only Queen, or one of a number is a matter of debate.

    I've been an LTS member since the game was in beta, and a cooperative faction for all wouldn't bother me in the least. Why? Because the perk of being a lifer is exclusive access to Liberated Borg for the original two factions (Romulan didn't exist back then, so they're busy a bonus), it has never been said that we have exclusive rights to all playable Borg to ever be released. AoY also showed that the devs have no problem releasing a new faction without an LTS exclusive race.

    If anything, if / when they release a Cooperative faction they may lock human / Romulan / Klingon races behind the LTS, but there's no reason the faction itself would need to be.

    Yes there is a reason. That would utterly diminish the value of Liberated Borg for LTS to zero, and remember, Co-operative ARE Liberated Borg in every sense. Another reason.....CBS has already mostly likely said no, which is why we only have them as conditional LTS.

    It would not devalue the LTS perk in any way. To have a liberated borg character with fed / rom / klingon faction uniforms you would still need LTS, and I'd also be in favor of restricting ship material options to various assimilated skins, meaning that fed / rom / klingon ships wouldn't have access to all of their current options if used by a Cooperative captain. What we LTS members have now would not suddenly become free to all, this would be something different. I got my LTS because I wanted to have a Fed Captain in a fed uniform, flying standard Fed ships, with leftover borg implants attached to his face. What I want from a Cooperative faction, the ability to play a character that looks like a fully assimilated borg drone while commanding a Sphere or a Cube, is entirely different. And as I mentioned earlier, they could add a unique LTS benefit to the new faction as well.

    As for CBS, I doubt they are the reason this hasn't happened yet. They are more than likely simply waiting for the right time, which means getting the story to the point where the Collective makes a return as a major villain.
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  • reafisreafis Member Posts: 147 Arc User
    I Think there is definitely scope for a borg faction, not a Borg Collective one as it would simply be boring. But you could do something drastic like letting players have to use an existing character who gets assimilated for say a few episodes so you get the experience (It would be similar to how they are doing the jem'hadar a level 60 char, as borg would have the experience too) then at some point you would be liberated and become part of the co operative.

    I think there is a lot of potential as the borg have never really been a threat in STO (Not like the iconians and their allies)
  • leemwatsonleemwatson Member Posts: 4,689 Arc User
    reafis wrote: »
    I Think there is definitely scope for a borg faction, not a Borg Collective one as it would simply be boring. But you could do something drastic like letting players have to use an existing character who gets assimilated for say a few episodes so you get the experience (It would be similar to how they are doing the jem'hadar a level 60 char, as borg would have the experience too) then at some point you would be liberated and become part of the co operative.

    I think there is a lot of potential as the borg have never really been a threat in STO (Not like the iconians and their allies)

    Indeed, the Borg as they stand are a laughable enemy from when they first appeared on screen. The game needs the Borg back as a truly terrifyingly adaptive force, especially in space. 1 Ship should not be a match for a Borg Armada, and yes, Voyager rewrote the rules with Endgame, but that was futuristic technology, and the Borg were in the process of adapting, albeit much slower than usual.

    Having an existing character assimilated would make an interesting story, but we already have Lib Borg, which is where Cryptic could write up a few episodes for this LTS perk, as I mentioned earlier.
    "You don't want to patrol!? You don't want to escort!? You don't want to defend the Federation's Starbases!? Then why are you flying my Starships!? If you were a Klingon you'd be killed on the spot, but lucky for you.....you WERE in Starfleet. Let's see how New Zealand Penal Colony suits you." Adm A. Necheyev.
  • potentialbff#9168 potentialbff Member Posts: 16 Arc User
    leemwatson wrote: »
    Having an existing character assimilated would make an interesting story, but we already have Lib Borg, which is where Cryptic could write up a few episodes for this LTS perk, as I mentioned earlier.

    Here is why that isn't going to happen. Let's say I'm a LTS, and I'm also interested in playing as a Lib Borg faction. As a LTS, that means Cryptic already has my money. So if they add some type of Lib Borg storyline to the LTS they aren't making any new money from me. They are going to do whatever makes them the MOST money, and that would be something everybody(whether LTS or F2P) has to spend money to get.
  • leemwatsonleemwatson Member Posts: 4,689 Arc User
    leemwatson wrote: »
    Having an existing character assimilated would make an interesting story, but we already have Lib Borg, which is where Cryptic could write up a few episodes for this LTS perk, as I mentioned earlier.

    Here is why that isn't going to happen. Let's say I'm a LTS, and I'm also interested in playing as a Lib Borg faction. As a LTS, that means Cryptic already has my money. So if they add some type of Lib Borg storyline to the LTS they aren't making any new money from me. They are going to do whatever makes them the MOST money, and that would be something everybody(whether LTS or F2P) has to spend money to get.

    My point is to attract people to buy LTS. It's been a long time since anything was added. I think it was Talaxians and T6 Chimera. And it's also a little extra for those that already have it.
    "You don't want to patrol!? You don't want to escort!? You don't want to defend the Federation's Starbases!? Then why are you flying my Starships!? If you were a Klingon you'd be killed on the spot, but lucky for you.....you WERE in Starfleet. Let's see how New Zealand Penal Colony suits you." Adm A. Necheyev.
  • coqaunandos117#2576 coqaunandos117 Member Posts: 65 Arc User
    edited April 2018
    leemwatson wrote: »
    leemwatson wrote: »
    Having an existing character assimilated would make an interesting story, but we already have Lib Borg, which is where Cryptic could write up a few episodes for this LTS perk, as I mentioned earlier.

    Here is why that isn't going to happen. Let's say I'm a LTS, and I'm also interested in playing as a Lib Borg faction. As a LTS, that means Cryptic already has my money. So if they add some type of Lib Borg storyline to the LTS they aren't making any new money from me. They are going to do whatever makes them the MOST money, and that would be something everybody(whether LTS or F2P) has to spend money to get.

    My point is to attract people to buy LTS. It's been a long time since anything was added. I think it was Talaxians and T6 Chimera. And it's also a little extra for those that already have it.

    You are speaking from the perspective of someone who has been around for a while. People who have been around for a while either decided to get a LTS, or they didn't. Anyone buying one at this point would be someone relatively new, and to someone relatively new everything that comes with the LTS is also new (to them).
  • leemwatsonleemwatson Member Posts: 4,689 Arc User
    edited April 2018
    leemwatson wrote: »
    leemwatson wrote: »
    Having an existing character assimilated would make an interesting story, but we already have Lib Borg, which is where Cryptic could write up a few episodes for this LTS perk, as I mentioned earlier.

    Here is why that isn't going to happen. Let's say I'm a LTS, and I'm also interested in playing as a Lib Borg faction. As a LTS, that means Cryptic already has my money. So if they add some type of Lib Borg storyline to the LTS they aren't making any new money from me. They are going to do whatever makes them the MOST money, and that would be something everybody(whether LTS or F2P) has to spend money to get.

    My point is to attract people to buy LTS. It's been a long time since anything was added. I think it was Talaxians and T6 Chimera. And it's also a little extra for those that already have it.

    You are speaking from the perspective of someone who has been around for a while. People who have been around for a while either decided to get a LTS, or they didn't. Anyone buying one at this point would be someone relatively new, and to someone relatively new everything that comes with the LTS is also new (to them).

    Actually, I have alot of experience in Retail and Marketing, and am qualified in Business and Finance, so I am coming from a Business perspective as well, on top of 35 years of gaming. LTS hasn't had anything new for a couple of years at least, and this would freshen it up a little. Nobody loses out from my suggestion as it just expands the Lib Borg perk.

    And too expand playable Talaxians, a 6 episode run on how to annoy your ship mates, cook food, chases Epohhs, and make really bad desgin choices on clothing! :lol:
    "You don't want to patrol!? You don't want to escort!? You don't want to defend the Federation's Starbases!? Then why are you flying my Starships!? If you were a Klingon you'd be killed on the spot, but lucky for you.....you WERE in Starfleet. Let's see how New Zealand Penal Colony suits you." Adm A. Necheyev.
  • lagomorphic#0794 lagomorphic Member Posts: 28 Arc User
    leemwatson wrote: »
    leemwatson wrote: »
    leemwatson wrote: »
    Having an existing character assimilated would make an interesting story, but we already have Lib Borg, which is where Cryptic could write up a few episodes for this LTS perk, as I mentioned earlier.

    Here is why that isn't going to happen. Let's say I'm a LTS, and I'm also interested in playing as a Lib Borg faction. As a LTS, that means Cryptic already has my money. So if they add some type of Lib Borg storyline to the LTS they aren't making any new money from me. They are going to do whatever makes them the MOST money, and that would be something everybody(whether LTS or F2P) has to spend money to get.

    My point is to attract people to buy LTS. It's been a long time since anything was added. I think it was Talaxians and T6 Chimera. And it's also a little extra for those that already have it.

    You are speaking from the perspective of someone who has been around for a while. People who have been around for a while either decided to get a LTS, or they didn't. Anyone buying one at this point would be someone relatively new, and to someone relatively new everything that comes with the LTS is also new (to them).

    Actually, I have alot of experience in Retail and Marketing, and am qualified in Business and Finance, so I am coming from a Business perspective as well, on top of 35 years of gaming. LTS hasn't had anything new for a couple of years at least, and this would freshen it up a little. Nobody loses out from my suggestion as it just expands the Lib Borg perk.

    And too expand playable Talaxians, a 6 episode run on how to annoy your ship mates, cook food, chases Epohhs, and make really bad desgin choices on clothing! :lol:

    Save your epeen RL degrees; they are irrelevant to this game. The point stands: old players who wanted the LTS got it. To new players, everything it comes with is "fresh" because they are new to the game.

    Also, the more likely reason they won't be doing what you suggested is they probably plan to add an actual Lib Borg faction at some point and would rather get money from selling the associated ships than undercut said faction by adding a Lib Borg storyline to the LTS.

    You're idea isn't terrible, but it isn't good either. Don't take it so personally.
  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,889 Arc User
    leemwatson wrote: »
    leemwatson wrote: »
    leemwatson wrote: »
    Having an existing character assimilated would make an interesting story, but we already have Lib Borg, which is where Cryptic could write up a few episodes for this LTS perk, as I mentioned earlier.

    Here is why that isn't going to happen. Let's say I'm a LTS, and I'm also interested in playing as a Lib Borg faction. As a LTS, that means Cryptic already has my money. So if they add some type of Lib Borg storyline to the LTS they aren't making any new money from me. They are going to do whatever makes them the MOST money, and that would be something everybody(whether LTS or F2P) has to spend money to get.

    My point is to attract people to buy LTS. It's been a long time since anything was added. I think it was Talaxians and T6 Chimera. And it's also a little extra for those that already have it.

    You are speaking from the perspective of someone who has been around for a while. People who have been around for a while either decided to get a LTS, or they didn't. Anyone buying one at this point would be someone relatively new, and to someone relatively new everything that comes with the LTS is also new (to them).

    Actually, I have alot of experience in Retail and Marketing, and am qualified in Business and Finance, so I am coming from a Business perspective as well, on top of 35 years of gaming. LTS hasn't had anything new for a couple of years at least, and this would freshen it up a little. Nobody loses out from my suggestion as it just expands the Lib Borg perk.

    And too expand playable Talaxians, a 6 episode run on how to annoy your ship mates, cook food, chases Epohhs, and make really bad desgin choices on clothing! :lol:

    They'll never make exclusive mission content for LTS, never. What they should and probably will do is continue to add exclusive races, so a LTS race for Jem'Hadar (liberated borg Jem'Hadar or possibly Vorta) and a LTS race for the inevitable Cooperative faction (maybe access to all existing liberated borg options, with the difference between them and cooperative Borg equivalents being that lib Borg have access to their original faction's uniforms and ship materials).
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  • thegrandnagus1thegrandnagus1 Member Posts: 5,126 Arc User
    I created the mission in question. The foundry is currently down so until it is back up you won't be able to playtest this mission. However, I will describe it for anyone interested:

    1) you are instructed to report to a Borg complex

    2) after arriving, you are assigned several tasks to perform around the complex (repairs, updates, etc)

    3) you are assigned to go to a space system and assimilate the people there.

    3A) on the space map, you defeat the defending ships and transport borg drones to the bases

    3B) you eventually beam down to one base and have a ground fight while injecting probes to various NPCs on the grond

    4) you are instructed to deliver the new drones back to the Borg complex.

    5) After delivering the drones, you return to your alcove for regeneration, and the mission ends.

    Like I said in the reddit post, I could see a Borg faction happening where you play as "actual" Borg for short time doing the types of things I mentioned above, although that could obviously only last so long. Eventually I would expect the story to have you rescued from the collective and playing as part of the Liberated Borg group from that point, probably fighting the "real" Borg.

    PS: I actually put a bit of effort into the Borg complex map, as I envisioned this as the "faction hub". I tried to create a creepy Borg atmosphere with drones walking around and smoke effects and things. I would be interested in any feedback on this map especially when the foundry is back up.


    The mission is back up again if anyone is interested in testing it. It's currently in the review section.

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