I actually like the design of Discovery. Now... the earlier, teaser design they had... THAT looked horrible. And the concept art they drew from was pretty bad. But the final product actually makes the design look good.
It went from this old concept art from around the time of TMP (And yes... your eyes do not decieve you, that WAS to be the Enterprise)
To this unholy hybrid of a D7 and Fed ship...
To this... actually good looking design
The design evolved over time, and actually combines some elements from what came before. Not only that... when compared to the Connie we saw at the end of season 1, Discovery's actually not that big. She's comparable in mass to the Enterprise. The only thing that makes her BIGGER is the length of her warp nacelles.
And just about every ship has her good angles and bad angles. There are angles of the Excelsior that make her look bloated.
I like the Crossfield, I do like designs that are functional.
"The meaning of victory is not to merely defeat your enemy but to destroy him, to completely eradicate him from living memory, to leave no remnant of his endeavours, to crush utterly his achievement and remove from all record his every trace of existence. From that defeat no enemy can ever recover. That is the meaning of victory."
-Lord Commander Solar Macharius
Worst design in SF history? I'd have to give that to the Event Horizon, with its totally ludicrous passage between the crew compartments and the engineering section that's lined with rotating razors. I mean, what's up with that?
The worst design in Trek, of course, is the Scimitar. First of all, it's named for a Human weapon, rather than a Romulan one. Then there's the technical specs. Fifty-two disruptor cannon emplacements? Twenty-seven torpedo bays? Really? That's one ship with the armaments of an entire fleet, and it's supposed to be powered by a single, fairly standard Romulan singularity core. And it was built by rebellious slaves, right under the noses of the slaveholders. Wha???
It's also enormous and ugly, but I try not to hold its aesthetics against it - it's supposed to be an alien craft, and the Romulans (and Remans) might well have different aesthetic standards than I do.
Worst design in SF history? I'd have to give that to the Event Horizon, with its totally ludicrous passage between the crew compartments and the engineering section that's lined with rotating razors. I mean, what's up with that?
The worst design in Trek, of course, is the Scimitar. First of all, it's named for a Human weapon, rather than a Romulan one. Then there's the technical specs. Fifty-two disruptor cannon emplacements? Twenty-seven torpedo bays? Really? That's one ship with the armaments of an entire fleet, and it's supposed to be powered by a single, fairly standard Romulan singularity core. And it was built by rebellious slaves, right under the noses of the slaveholders. Wha???
It's also enormous and ugly, but I try not to hold its aesthetics against it - it's supposed to be an alien craft, and the Romulans (and Remans) might well have different aesthetic standards than I do.
Oberth Class from ST III, talk about a glass ship. One sneeze and it goes booms or ends up leading to it's crew's usually horrific demise
"The meaning of victory is not to merely defeat your enemy but to destroy him, to completely eradicate him from living memory, to leave no remnant of his endeavours, to crush utterly his achievement and remove from all record his every trace of existence. From that defeat no enemy can ever recover. That is the meaning of victory."
-Lord Commander Solar Macharius
Yea... the loadout of the Scimitar seemed way over the top, and the fact the Romulans, with their very good intel gathering and the frickin' Tal Shiar itself, didn't see this thing coming, and it was built right next door to Romulus itself! And we never actually saw her use them all. Although I think we can technically give her a pass on the name considering who was commanding her.
At least Section 31 had the sense in Into Darkness to not build the Vengeance in Lunar orbit.
Hideous ship. Worst design in a hundred years of science fiction.
Hideous? hah! That Andromeda tv series had the Andromeda Ascendant and it looked rather phallic in a similar way to that phallic looking atrox carrier on STO. Two hideous designs.
Worst design in SF history? I'd have to give that to the Event Horizon, with its totally ludicrous passage between the crew compartments and the engineering section that's lined with rotating razors. I mean, what's up with that?
The worst design in Trek, of course, is the Scimitar. First of all, it's named for a Human weapon, rather than a Romulan one. Then there's the technical specs. Fifty-two disruptor cannon emplacements? Twenty-seven torpedo bays? Really? That's one ship with the armaments of an entire fleet, and it's supposed to be powered by a single, fairly standard Romulan singularity core. And it was built by rebellious slaves, right under the noses of the slaveholders. Wha???
It's also enormous and ugly, but I try not to hold its aesthetics against it - it's supposed to be an alien craft, and the Romulans (and Remans) might well have different aesthetic standards than I do.
Oberth Class from ST III, talk about a glass ship. One sneeze and it goes booms or ends up leading to it's crew's usually horrific demise
Yea... the loadout of the Scimitar seemed way over the top, and the fact the Romulans, with their very good intel gathering and the frickin' Tal Shiar itself, didn't see this thing coming, and it was built right next door to Romulus itself! And we never actually saw her use them all. Although I think we can technically give her a pass on the name considering who was commanding her.
At least Section 31 had the sense in Into Darkness to not build the Vengeance in Lunar orbit.
Probably never recovered from the beating they took in the Dominion war and again with the joint Obsidian order/Tal shiar invasion fleet. There was bound to be enough chaos to last long enough for the Romulans to not consider the threats from within (with typical power plays and backstabbing in the senate) when they are so focused on their former allies who would attempt to take advantage of their weakened state (with the Federation and Klingons).
I doubt the Tal Shiar had the ability to keep tabs on everything. besides what does the Scimitar have to do with the Excelsior upgrade?
T6 Miranda Hero Ship FTW. Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
Worst design in SF history? I'd have to give that to the Event Horizon, with its totally ludicrous passage between the crew compartments and the engineering section that's lined with rotating razors. I mean, what's up with that?
The worst design in Trek, of course, is the Scimitar. First of all, it's named for a Human weapon, rather than a Romulan one. Then there's the technical specs. Fifty-two disruptor cannon emplacements? Twenty-seven torpedo bays? Really? That's one ship with the armaments of an entire fleet, and it's supposed to be powered by a single, fairly standard Romulan singularity core. And it was built by rebellious slaves, right under the noses of the slaveholders. Wha???
It's also enormous and ugly, but I try not to hold its aesthetics against it - it's supposed to be an alien craft, and the Romulans (and Remans) might well have different aesthetic standards than I do.
Oberth Class from ST III, talk about a glass ship. One sneeze and it goes booms or ends up leading to it's crew's usually horrific demise
To be fair though the Miranda was also shown as a glass ship in DS9.
Worst design in SF history? I'd have to give that to the Event Horizon, with its totally ludicrous passage between the crew compartments and the engineering section that's lined with rotating razors. I mean, what's up with that?
The worst design in Trek, of course, is the Scimitar. First of all, it's named for a Human weapon, rather than a Romulan one. Then there's the technical specs. Fifty-two disruptor cannon emplacements? Twenty-seven torpedo bays? Really? That's one ship with the armaments of an entire fleet, and it's supposed to be powered by a single, fairly standard Romulan singularity core. And it was built by rebellious slaves, right under the noses of the slaveholders. Wha???
It's also enormous and ugly, but I try not to hold its aesthetics against it - it's supposed to be an alien craft, and the Romulans (and Remans) might well have different aesthetic standards than I do.
Oberth Class from ST III, talk about a glass ship. One sneeze and it goes booms or ends up leading to it's crew's usually horrific demise
To be fair though the Miranda was also shown as a glass ship in DS9.
After taking a number of direct hits, several torpedo hits before it was crippled and who knows what would happen if its shields were up. You aren't giving the Miranda enough credit.. tough little ship.
T6 Miranda Hero Ship FTW. Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
Worst design in SF history? I'd have to give that to the Event Horizon, with its totally ludicrous passage between the crew compartments and the engineering section that's lined with rotating razors. I mean, what's up with that?
The worst design in Trek, of course, is the Scimitar. First of all, it's named for a Human weapon, rather than a Romulan one. Then there's the technical specs. Fifty-two disruptor cannon emplacements? Twenty-seven torpedo bays? Really? That's one ship with the armaments of an entire fleet, and it's supposed to be powered by a single, fairly standard Romulan singularity core. And it was built by rebellious slaves, right under the noses of the slaveholders. Wha???
It's also enormous and ugly, but I try not to hold its aesthetics against it - it's supposed to be an alien craft, and the Romulans (and Remans) might well have different aesthetic standards than I do.
Oberth Class from ST III, talk about a glass ship. One sneeze and it goes booms or ends up leading to it's crew's usually horrific demise
To be fair though the Miranda was also shown as a glass ship in DS9.
After taking a number of direct hits, several torpedo hits before it was crippled and who knows what would happen if its shields were up. You aren't giving the Miranda enough credit.. tough little ship.
You're only thinking of the first Miranda we see not all the others during one of the later battles.
"The meaning of victory is not to merely defeat your enemy but to destroy him, to completely eradicate him from living memory, to leave no remnant of his endeavours, to crush utterly his achievement and remove from all record his every trace of existence. From that defeat no enemy can ever recover. That is the meaning of victory."
-Lord Commander Solar Macharius
Worst design in SF history? I'd have to give that to the Event Horizon, with its totally ludicrous passage between the crew compartments and the engineering section that's lined with rotating razors. I mean, what's up with that?
The worst design in Trek, of course, is the Scimitar. First of all, it's named for a Human weapon, rather than a Romulan one. Then there's the technical specs. Fifty-two disruptor cannon emplacements? Twenty-seven torpedo bays? Really? That's one ship with the armaments of an entire fleet, and it's supposed to be powered by a single, fairly standard Romulan singularity core. And it was built by rebellious slaves, right under the noses of the slaveholders. Wha???
It's also enormous and ugly, but I try not to hold its aesthetics against it - it's supposed to be an alien craft, and the Romulans (and Remans) might well have different aesthetic standards than I do.
Oberth Class from ST III, talk about a glass ship. One sneeze and it goes booms or ends up leading to it's crew's usually horrific demise
To be fair though the Miranda was also shown as a glass ship in DS9.
After taking a number of direct hits, several torpedo hits before it was crippled and who knows what would happen if its shields were up. You aren't giving the Miranda enough credit.. tough little ship.
You're only thinking of the first Miranda we see not all the others during one of the later battles.
The breen were trying to chase down another miranda with limited success before that breen ship was forced to withdraw.
if you mean the big battles? you got to understand that the production team only had so much money they could throw into CGI effects at the time, it meant that ships in those big fights never had shields except the defiant. i discount those fights even though they are canon because if federation ships had their shields, those mirandas would be able to take more of a beating before going down for the count.
T6 Miranda Hero Ship FTW. Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
The Crossfield is a beautiful ship. Those sweeping nacelles and the spherical centre to the saucer along with the delta winged hull and the amazing hull colour. Fantastic ship. Next to the Sovereign, Cardenas, NX, and Newton is my favourite ship in Star Trek.
The E*******r is not worthy of the word Starship.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
The design evolved over time, and actually combines some elements from what came before. Not only that... when compared to the Connie we saw at the end of season 1, Discovery's actually not that big. She's comparable in mass to the Enterprise. The only thing that makes her BIGGER is the length of her warp nacelles.
The Crossfield is still a bit larger than the TOS Conni. The Saucer is about as long but flatter and has gaps but the central sphere is taller than the Connis saucer and the neck is wider and thicker and the secondary hull has more space.
It's not a great deal larger and the Walker and KT Connis (at their modal size) still are more voluminous than either the Crossfield or TOS Conni.
I think people make a bigger deal about the size of he Crossfield than they really should. Esspecally as it's the much older and larger Walker Class that looks the odd duck out.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
You keep holding on to it Crashy. You'll both be floating scrap metal soon enough.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
One of these days someone is going to take a picture of an Excelsior with the name plate reading: USS Artan42's Loveboat on the front. NX-42 underneath and put it up here on an april fools day.
Excelsior Class Miranda Class
T6 Miranda Hero Ship FTW. Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
The worst design in Trek, of course, is the Scimitar. First of all, it's named for a Human weapon, rather than a Romulan one. Then there's the technical specs. Fifty-two disruptor cannon emplacements? Twenty-seven torpedo bays? Really? That's one ship with the armaments of an entire fleet, and it's supposed to be powered by a single, fairly standard Romulan singularity core. And it was built by rebellious slaves, right under the noses of the slaveholders. Wha???
It's also enormous and ugly, but I try not to hold its aesthetics against it - it's supposed to be an alien craft, and the Romulans (and Remans) might well have different aesthetic standards than I do.
I like the visuals of the ship but wish they covered where the blasted thing came from in the movie. I mean, the novels establish it as a stolen Romulan Star Empire/Tal Shiar ship but the movie it actually came in said nothing at all.
One of these days someone is going to take a picture of an Excelsior with the name plate reading: USS Artan42's Loveboat on the front. NX-42 underneath and put it up here on an april fools day.
Excelsior Class Miranda Class
How could you even suggest that you monster!
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
One of these days someone is going to take a picture of an Excelsior with the name plate reading: USS Artan42's Loveboat on the front. NX-42 underneath and put it up here on an april fools day.
Excelsior Class Miranda Class
How could you even suggest that you monster!
hahaha! i just got the idea from crashdragon in a way. but it would be one hell of a joke for an april fools or halloween
i kid, i kid.
T6 Miranda Hero Ship FTW. Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
I'll fly my Excelsior with pride, she's old but she'll hold her own in a fight
"The meaning of victory is not to merely defeat your enemy but to destroy him, to completely eradicate him from living memory, to leave no remnant of his endeavours, to crush utterly his achievement and remove from all record his every trace of existence. From that defeat no enemy can ever recover. That is the meaning of victory."
-Lord Commander Solar Macharius
One of these days someone is going to take a picture of an Excelsior with the name plate reading: USS Artan42's Loveboat on the front. NX-42 underneath and put it up here on an april fools day.
Excelsior Class Miranda Class
How could you even suggest that you monster!
hahaha! i just got the idea from crashdragon in a way. but it would be one hell of a joke for an april fools or halloween
i kid, i kid.
Halloween would be more fitting for that nightmare .
Hideous ship. Worst design in a hundred years of science fiction.
This coming from the guy who wants that hideous Yeager Intrepid variant added to the game hahaha
The Yeager revels in its ugglyness, it is resplendent in ignominy, diabolically, unrepentantly hideous and proud.
The E*******r is a mind parasite, a rogue prion that warps peoples cognitive functions until they convince themselves it has any redeeming qualities at all.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
The Crossfield is still a bit larger than the TOS Conni. The Saucer is about as long but flatter and has gaps but the central sphere is taller than the Connis saucer and the neck is wider and thicker and the secondary hull has more space.
It's not a great deal larger and the Walker and KT Connis (at their modal size) still are more voluminous than either the Crossfield or TOS Conni.
I think people make a bigger deal about the size of he Crossfield than they really should. Esspecally as it's the much older and larger Walker Class that looks the odd duck out.
Agreed. Literally the only thing that makes her "huge" is she's more spread out and has long nacelles. But this shot here, perspective asside, show's she doesn't dwarf a Connie. She's arranged differently, but mass wise is still pretty comparable.
And I am glad that scale image you found shows a more reasonable length for the KT Connie. I NEVER accepted her being bigger than a Sovy. The details are just way too off for that. Her windows are bigger than what we see on the Sovereign, indicating a SMALLER ship that a Sovy. The only thing that advocates her ridiculous size is that shuttlebay scene. Which then gets even wonkier when Pike takes a shuttle out, and the shuttle is LARGER than it was when Enterprise was recieving shuttles at Earth. And they were the same class of shuttle too, the so called "Military" shuttles!
The Crossfield is still a bit larger than the TOS Conni. The Saucer is about as long but flatter and has gaps but the central sphere is taller than the Connis saucer and the neck is wider and thicker and the secondary hull has more space.
It's not a great deal larger and the Walker and KT Connis (at their modal size) still are more voluminous than either the Crossfield or TOS Conni.
I think people make a bigger deal about the size of he Crossfield than they really should. Esspecally as it's the much older and larger Walker Class that looks the odd duck out.
Agreed. Literally the only thing that makes her "huge" is she's more spread out and has long nacelles. But this shot here, perspective asside, show's she doesn't dwarf a Connie. She's arranged differently, but mass wise is still pretty comparable.
And I am glad that scale image you found shows a more reasonable length for the KT Connie. I NEVER accepted her being bigger than a Sovy. The details are just way too off for that. Her windows are bigger than what we see on the Sovereign, indicating a SMALLER ship that a Sovy. The only thing that advocates her ridiculous size is that shuttlebay scene. Which then gets even wonkier when Pike takes a shuttle out, and the shuttle is LARGER than it was when Enterprise was recieving shuttles at Earth. And they were the same class of shuttle too, the so called "Military" shuttles!
Well I didn't find the image, I made it and I chose to use the designers scale for the KT Conni for the same reason I have a 150m Defiant, a 110m BoP, and a 150m Oberth. Modal size. Obviously as the KT Conni was actually built to the above scale, every time it appears in a shot where the windows are visible it is conforming to the designed size.
I mean you can't have people walking past the bridge window and literally rip the side of the model off showing the two deck saucer then pretend you've built a bigger ship than you have. Same with the BoP, you can't show people on its loading ramp then pretend it's the size of a Excelsior. Buggered if any one can make sense of the scale of the Defiant though .
I'd never argue (just about the only thing I won't argue about ) the KT Conni hasn't been inflated at least three times (second shuttlebay scene, confrontation with the swarm, and saucer crashing, ironically the latter has Kirk smashing the 366m scaled window and jumping onto the ~700m saucer in a particularly stupid bit) but people seem to ignore it being massivly under-scaled for dramatic effect at the Battle of Vulcan where it's almost totaled by the Mayflower's saucer. However, mainly due to the hull details such as windows it's clear the ship is most often (i.e. the mode size) the size the ship was made at.
Unfortunately the charts I'm making for the wiki will need to have the USS JJsovercompensation's larger size as that's the scale it's been modeled to in STO.
I mean, at least they're semi consistent there, the KT Conni, Obereth, and Defiant are all built to their 'official' sizes but amusingly enough the Prometheus' official size is 126m in length however STO modeled it to it's modal canon size of 415m L.
On another note, I bloody WANT that Conni from DSC. I don't care if I have to slap it on my T1 Conni, it's fricking beautiful.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
The Crossfield is still a bit larger than the TOS Conni. The Saucer is about as long but flatter and has gaps but the central sphere is taller than the Connis saucer and the neck is wider and thicker and the secondary hull has more space.
It's not a great deal larger and the Walker and KT Connis (at their modal size) still are more voluminous than either the Crossfield or TOS Conni.
I think people make a bigger deal about the size of he Crossfield than they really should. Esspecally as it's the much older and larger Walker Class that looks the odd duck out.
Agreed. Literally the only thing that makes her "huge" is she's more spread out and has long nacelles. But this shot here, perspective asside, show's she doesn't dwarf a Connie. She's arranged differently, but mass wise is still pretty comparable.
And I am glad that scale image you found shows a more reasonable length for the KT Connie. I NEVER accepted her being bigger than a Sovy. The details are just way too off for that. Her windows are bigger than what we see on the Sovereign, indicating a SMALLER ship that a Sovy. The only thing that advocates her ridiculous size is that shuttlebay scene. Which then gets even wonkier when Pike takes a shuttle out, and the shuttle is LARGER than it was when Enterprise was recieving shuttles at Earth. And they were the same class of shuttle too, the so called "Military" shuttles!
JJ was pulling stuff out of his you know what.
Like the designer of the Beyond Enterprise A on Trek Yards said, "Americans have no sense of subtlety"
JJ wanted to make the Enterprise a Star Destroyer.....
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Everyone has that one class they hate the design of. For me its actually STO's Deep Space Science Vessel. It looks like a frickin' shoe.
I will agree with the OP that the in game Excelsior model needs a bit of love though.
I like the Crossfield, I do like designs that are functional.
-Lord Commander Solar Macharius
The worst design in Trek, of course, is the Scimitar. First of all, it's named for a Human weapon, rather than a Romulan one. Then there's the technical specs. Fifty-two disruptor cannon emplacements? Twenty-seven torpedo bays? Really? That's one ship with the armaments of an entire fleet, and it's supposed to be powered by a single, fairly standard Romulan singularity core. And it was built by rebellious slaves, right under the noses of the slaveholders. Wha???
It's also enormous and ugly, but I try not to hold its aesthetics against it - it's supposed to be an alien craft, and the Romulans (and Remans) might well have different aesthetic standards than I do.
Oberth Class from ST III, talk about a glass ship. One sneeze and it goes booms or ends up leading to it's crew's usually horrific demise
-Lord Commander Solar Macharius
At least Section 31 had the sense in Into Darkness to not build the Vengeance in Lunar orbit.
Hideous? hah! That Andromeda tv series had the Andromeda Ascendant and it looked rather phallic in a similar way to that phallic looking atrox carrier on STO. Two hideous designs.
hahahaha!
Probably never recovered from the beating they took in the Dominion war and again with the joint Obsidian order/Tal shiar invasion fleet. There was bound to be enough chaos to last long enough for the Romulans to not consider the threats from within (with typical power plays and backstabbing in the senate) when they are so focused on their former allies who would attempt to take advantage of their weakened state (with the Federation and Klingons).
I doubt the Tal Shiar had the ability to keep tabs on everything. besides what does the Scimitar have to do with the Excelsior upgrade?
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
After taking a number of direct hits, several torpedo hits before it was crippled and who knows what would happen if its shields were up. You aren't giving the Miranda enough credit.. tough little ship.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
Must be something in the Tea
-Lord Commander Solar Macharius
The breen were trying to chase down another miranda with limited success before that breen ship was forced to withdraw.
if you mean the big battles? you got to understand that the production team only had so much money they could throw into CGI effects at the time, it meant that ships in those big fights never had shields except the defiant. i discount those fights even though they are canon because if federation ships had their shields, those mirandas would be able to take more of a beating before going down for the count.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
if the video doesn't show the miranda and breen ship right away, move the video to 1:49.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
The E*******r is not worthy of the word Starship.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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The Crossfield is still a bit larger than the TOS Conni. The Saucer is about as long but flatter and has gaps but the central sphere is taller than the Connis saucer and the neck is wider and thicker and the secondary hull has more space.
It's not a great deal larger and the Walker and KT Connis (at their modal size) still are more voluminous than either the Crossfield or TOS Conni.
I think people make a bigger deal about the size of he Crossfield than they really should. Esspecally as it's the much older and larger Walker Class that looks the odd duck out.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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You keep holding on to it Crashy. You'll both be floating scrap metal soon enough.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
You've just described almost every ship in Star Trek that doesn't have plot armour.
I like the visuals of the ship but wish they covered where the blasted thing came from in the movie. I mean, the novels establish it as a stolen Romulan Star Empire/Tal Shiar ship but the movie it actually came in said nothing at all.
How could you even suggest that you monster!
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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hahaha! i just got the idea from crashdragon in a way. but it would be one hell of a joke for an april fools or halloween
i kid, i kid.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
-Lord Commander Solar Macharius
Halloween would be more fitting for that nightmare
The Yeager revels in its ugglyness, it is resplendent in ignominy, diabolically, unrepentantly hideous and proud.
The E*******r is a mind parasite, a rogue prion that warps peoples cognitive functions until they convince themselves it has any redeeming qualities at all.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Agreed. Literally the only thing that makes her "huge" is she's more spread out and has long nacelles. But this shot here, perspective asside, show's she doesn't dwarf a Connie. She's arranged differently, but mass wise is still pretty comparable.
And I am glad that scale image you found shows a more reasonable length for the KT Connie. I NEVER accepted her being bigger than a Sovy. The details are just way too off for that. Her windows are bigger than what we see on the Sovereign, indicating a SMALLER ship that a Sovy. The only thing that advocates her ridiculous size is that shuttlebay scene. Which then gets even wonkier when Pike takes a shuttle out, and the shuttle is LARGER than it was when Enterprise was recieving shuttles at Earth. And they were the same class of shuttle too, the so called "Military" shuttles!
Well I didn't find the image, I made it and I chose to use the designers scale for the KT Conni for the same reason I have a 150m Defiant, a 110m BoP, and a 150m Oberth. Modal size. Obviously as the KT Conni was actually built to the above scale, every time it appears in a shot where the windows are visible it is conforming to the designed size.
I mean you can't have people walking past the bridge window and literally rip the side of the model off showing the two deck saucer then pretend you've built a bigger ship than you have. Same with the BoP, you can't show people on its loading ramp then pretend it's the size of a Excelsior. Buggered if any one can make sense of the scale of the Defiant though
I'd never argue (just about the only thing I won't argue about
Unfortunately the charts I'm making for the wiki will need to have the USS JJsovercompensation's larger size as that's the scale it's been modeled to in STO.
I mean, at least they're semi consistent there, the KT Conni, Obereth, and Defiant are all built to their 'official' sizes but amusingly enough the Prometheus' official size is 126m in length however STO modeled it to it's modal canon size of 415m L.
On another note, I bloody WANT that Conni from DSC. I don't care if I have to slap it on my T1 Conni, it's fricking beautiful.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Many of us like it, that's why.
JJ was pulling stuff out of his you know what.
Like the designer of the Beyond Enterprise A on Trek Yards said, "Americans have no sense of subtlety"
JJ wanted to make the Enterprise a Star Destroyer.....
The only reason I don't own the T6 version..