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robertpinner
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shouldn't martoks eye have grown back? its been a while since ive seen insurection but didn't goerdies eyes grow back in the briar patch.
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Also, away from the radiation there, the effect fades; La Forge's implants were back in Nemesis.
Martok on the other hand is missing the eye so it's much less likely that the tissue would renew itself if there was nothing to work with.
His optic nerve may have never been in better shape though.
The radiation causing the change was also specific to that planet (hence the whole resettlement thing) and since we find martok on a space station away from baku chances are there wasn't any around where he was.
Geordi shouldn't have gained working eyes, either. The effect repairs damage and reverses aging, neither of which should do anything to someone born blind whose eyes never had a working state to regenerate to.
IIRC, the Tzenkethi were subjecting Martok to metaphasic radiation for reasons (extend his "life sentence?")
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> I'm pretty sure they said in the film that the radiation's all over the Patch, just strongest at the planet because that's ground zero.
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> Geordi shouldn't have gained working eyes, either. The effect repairs damage and reverses aging, neither of which should do anything to someone born blind whose eyes never had a working state to regenerate to.
I always figured Geordi had his eyes fixed surgically when he went Command as needing the VISOR to see was a liability for a Line Officer in general, not to mention a ship's CO.
Given that he'd been using the visor since birth getting new eyes would potentially be a step back at first as he'd maybe have to relearn what he was seeing. Although since it was one techy way of seeing vs another that might not have been a big adjustment to make.
The Son'a (are we going to see them again btw? Their role so far has been quite underwhelming) have experimented on him, and kept him alive after bringing him back from the death. It would seem odd that whatever method they used was able to regenerate his entire body but kept his eye the way it is.
And don't Klingons have doctors anyway? Some battle wounds may be kept because they're warriors and all, but you'd think that restoring someone's eyesight would also be important for those warriors.
[3/25 10:41][Combat (Self)]Your Haymaker deals 26187 (10692) Physical Damage(Critical) to Orinoco.
Wasn't the jem (who got foolishly killed off as he was potentially a fun and interesting character) cured of needing white thanks to the radiation. That would be another physiological change as they were bred to require the white like a dominion version of the lysine contingency.
You'd think, but apparently not Martok. Bashir offers him a replacement eye in an episode of DS9 shortly after they were rescued from the Dominion prison camp, and he declined. His reason escapes me at the moment (wanna say it was to 'remind him of the mistakes he'd made,' but don't quote me on that).
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He has NO EYE to regenerate! That's why!! Sheeeesh! And no. Any Klingon would refuse it, because a scar is like a medal, but in Martok's case, he refuses because he felt shame at being taken prisoner and it was to remind him of his shame.
Besides...he has that really, really mean glare going on....why would he wanna get rid of THAT??? He's was giving me the creeps on those loading screens. ::::shivers::::
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I find Gowron's eyes more intimidating than Martoks lost eye.
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So? The fact that his entire eye is missing is in itself no explanation as to why his eye wasn't restored by the Son'a's treatment.
His entire body was close to death, he was slain by J'mpok in ritual combat. If his body can recover from that through some special treatment, restoring his eye tissue or if needed rebuilding the eye from scratch should have happened too. It makes no sense that the treatment the Son'a used was able to have Martok appear dead, keep him close to death for however long it took to get him to the Son'a facilities and then bring him back, fully recovered as if the whole 'close-to-death' thing never happened and he was never close to dying in the first place.
There is no logical explanation as to why his eye was not recovered as part of the treatment, certainly not if the treatment was some sort of general regeneration technique. I doubt the Son'a would care much about what he thinks of it if they kept him prisoner for decades anyway.
[3/25 10:41][Combat (Self)]Your Haymaker deals 26187 (10692) Physical Damage(Critical) to Orinoco.
I like Martok and I don't wish to see his nose broken and his other eye removed. But I do think it would have made sense to restore his eye if you're going to tell a story that involves medical experiments and some miraculous regeneration technique, him being kept close to death for a prolongued time etc.
[3/25 10:41][Combat (Self)]Your Haymaker deals 26187 (10692) Physical Damage(Critical) to Orinoco.
Birth defects are temporary genetic defects. Blind people procreate seeing people all the time. Another shocker: RL dwarves and midgets procreate full sized people with all parts working. Deaf people procreate hearing people. Mutes procreate talking people. All the genetics are there, just for that one particular organism something went wrong when the genetics unfolded.
It happened because writers needed a storyline. Stop trying to defend it in the name of real science. In RL we do in fact restore AND CREATE people's sight. Even those who never had fully functioning eyes to begin with. Same goes for deaf folks.
Ten minutes on google would have proven that to you.
Given the Son'a were partly in interested in revenge, it's entirely possible they only chose the high concentration in the rings because they knew the Ba'ku would get screwed. Which would explain why Dougherty was kept in the dark by the Son'a.
I was thinking the same things.
'We' can already do many of these things. There's no reason why it wouldn't be possible in Trek which is set hundreds of years into the future.
Whether that's pointed out through 'fake science' and in-universe explanations or real science-related ones, doesn't matter that much though. The outcome is the same.
[3/25 10:41][Combat (Self)]Your Haymaker deals 26187 (10692) Physical Damage(Critical) to Orinoco.
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The Admiral implied there were higher levels of radiation in the rings but never elaborated beyond saying that the Son'a inject something into the rings before inducing a thermolytic reaction, none of which is taken as fact since Picard questioned this directly to the Admiral about studying this whole thing with the Son'a for a decade.
Since the collector was destroyed along with the Ahdar's plan for the Son'a, there is no way to know if any of it was true or just Dougherty trying to make himself look good by trying to skip to the end and justify it behind Son'a research, which by itself needed verification and Starfleet doing their own tests as well to make sure.
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