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Console - Universal - Cloaking Device:

The in game description of this item says it can be used on Starfleet Battlecruisers, so why can it not be used on the Temporal Battlecruiser [T6].
It is a Starfleet ship and a Battlecruiser, is it not?


Console - Universal - Variable Auto-Targeting Armament:

The in game description of this item says it can be used on Starfleet Battlecruisers, so why can it not be used on the Temporal Battlecruiser [T6].
It is a Starfleet ship and a Battlecruiser, is it not?


Console - Universal - Photonic Decoy Beacon:

The in game description of this item says it can be used on Temporal Battlecruisers, so why can it not be used on the Temporal Battlecruiser [T6].
It is a Temporal Battlecruiser, is it not?


Console - Universal - Quantum Warhead Module:

The in game description of this item says it can be used on Tactical Escorts, so why can it not be used on the Temporal Escort [T6].
It is a Tactical ship and an Escort, is it not?

Either the consoles need to be made so they work on these ships as well as they should be according to the descriptions, or the descriptions needs to be changed to and more specific.
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  • admrenlarreckadmrenlarreck Member Posts: 2,041 Arc User
    edited November 2017
    Console - Universal - Cloaking Device:

    The in game description of this item says it can be used on Starfleet Battlecruisers, so why can it not be used on the Temporal Battlecruiser [T6].
    It is a Starfleet ship and a Battlecruiser, is it not?

    Not. it is a Temporal ship that can be used by Starfleet. The only ships that can use the Cloaking device console, are the Arbiter, the Avenger, Sao Paulo T5, the Defiant T6, and the Galaxy X Dreadnought


    Console - Universal - Variable Auto-Targeting Armament:

    The in game description of this item says it can be used on Starfleet Battlecruisers, so why can it not be used on the Temporal Battlecruiser [T6].
    It is a Starfleet ship and a Battlecruiser, is it not?

    Not. The VATA is only usable on the Arbiter line of ships. ie the Avenger class and the Arbiter class and the fleet variants.


    Console - Universal - Photonic Decoy Beacon:

    The in game description of this item says it can be used on Temporal Battlecruisers, so why can it not be used on the Temporal Battlecruiser [T6].
    It is a Temporal Battlecruiser, is it not?

    This one has left me scratching my head for the longest time


    Console - Universal - Quantum Warhead Module:

    The in game description of this item says it can be used on Tactical Escorts, so why can it not be used on the Temporal Escort [T6].
    It is a Tactical ship and an Escort, is it not?

    Not. it is a Temporal ship that can be used by Starfleet.

    The descriptions do need to be changed, but in the end it will be a text only thing.

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  • leemwatsonleemwatson Member Posts: 4,646 Arc User
    The descriptions are very, very specific. It the ship type and tier doesn't exactly match what is listed (you can see this on your status screen), then you can't use it. The list even mentions if the ship has to be T6 in the case of the Temporal Battlecruiser, for which the Photonic Console it does not.

    I'm sorry OP, but in this case, your attention to detail is at fault, not Cryptic's.
    "You don't want to patrol!? You don't want to escort!? You don't want to defend the Federation's Starbases!? Then why are you flying my Starships!? If you were a Klingon you'd be killed on the spot, but lucky for you.....you WERE in Starfleet. Let's see how New Zealand Penal Colony suits you." Adm A. Necheyev.
  • soullessraptorsoullessraptor Member Posts: 353 Arc User
    I've only ever been thrown by one description, and that's on the Xindi Mobulai Frigate pets. They say they're equippable on "Xindi Carriers, Xindi Dreadnought Carriers". But...the Xindi only have Dreadnought Carriers and a Heavy Escort Carrier...
  • mattachinemattachine Member Posts: 494 Arc User
    Console - Universal - Cloaking Device:

    The in game description of this item says it can be used on Starfleet Battlecruisers, so why can it not be used on the Temporal Battlecruiser [T6].
    It is a Starfleet ship and a Battlecruiser, is it not?

    Not. it is a Temporal ship that can be used by Starfleet. The only ships that can use the Cloaking device console, are the Arbiter, the Avenger, Sao Paulo T5, the Defiant T6, and the Galaxy X Dreadnought

    It is a Starfleet ship if it is a ship that can not be used by non Starfleet characters.
    Console - Universal - Variable Auto-Targeting Armament:

    The in game description of this item says it can be used on Starfleet Battlecruisers, so why can it not be used on the Temporal Battlecruiser [T6].
    It is a Starfleet ship and a Battlecruiser, is it not?

    Not. The VATA is only usable on the Arbiter line of ships. ie the Avenger class and the Arbiter class and the fleet variants.

    It does not specify that it can only be used on the classes you list it only says Starfleet Battlecruisers. The Temporal ships are Starfleet vessels because they can not be used by non Starfleet characters.
    Console - Universal - Quantum Warhead Module:

    The in game description of this item says it can be used on Tactical Escorts, so why can it not be used on the Temporal Escort [T6].
    It is a Tactical ship and an Escort, is it not?

    Not. it is a Temporal ship that can be used by Starfleet.

    The descriptions do need to be changed, but in the end it will be a text only thing.

    It is a Starfleet ship if it is a ship that can not be used by non Starfleet characters.
  • admrenlarreckadmrenlarreck Member Posts: 2,041 Arc User
    {Devils Advocate} While you are correct that the Temporal ships can not be used by non Starfleet, the fact remains that they are specified as "Temporal". As far as the game goes that makes them non starfleet. In the case of the VATA both the Avenger and the Arbiter were released before the Temporal ships, when there was only those two ships listed as Battle cruisers.

    Even in the OP, you had to list the ships as Temporal whatever. That is the difference, The Arbiter is a Battle cruiser. The Paladin is a Temporal Battle cruiser, that can be used by Starfleet.

    In essence this limitation is similar to the one for Romulan toons. While Romulans can use a T3 Constellation class which is a Starfleet ship. Because they are Romulan, that same Constellation does not become a Romulan Vessel, simply a Starfleet Vessel Captained by a Romulan. {/devils Advocate

    I do agree with you that they need to change the Descriptions though. I have consoles in my bank that only fit on one ship but the descriptions are so limited that I can never remember which ship it goes on.
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  • disqord#9557 disqord Member Posts: 567 Arc User
    I'd like to point out that all of the non-T6 "Temporal" ships are just 23c Starfleet ships, retrofit with new tech.

    The T5 "Temporal" Battlecruiser Ranger class, for instance, is just regular starship, it's just really freaking old.
  • leemwatsonleemwatson Member Posts: 4,646 Arc User
    {Devils Advocate} While you are correct that the Temporal ships can not be used by non Starfleet, the fact remains that they are specified as "Temporal". As far as the game goes that makes them non starfleet. In the case of the VATA both the Avenger and the Arbiter were released before the Temporal ships, when there was only those two ships listed as Battle cruisers.

    Even in the OP, you had to list the ships as Temporal whatever. That is the difference, The Arbiter is a Battle cruiser. The Paladin is a Temporal Battle cruiser, that can be used by Starfleet.

    In essence this limitation is similar to the one for Romulan toons. While Romulans can use a T3 Constellation class which is a Starfleet ship. Because they are Romulan, that same Constellation does not become a Romulan Vessel, simply a Starfleet Vessel Captained by a Romulan. {/devils Advocate

    I do agree with you that they need to change the Descriptions though. I have consoles in my bank that only fit on one ship but the descriptions are so limited that I can never remember which ship it goes on.

    The descriptions don't need to be changed. They are absolutely specific and say exactly what they are limited to. OP is having wishful thinking. The description, I will repeat, tells you exactly what it can go on. If a console was able to go on any Temporal Battlecruiser, it would say either 'Any Temporal Battlecruiser' OR 'Temporal Battlecruiser (T5U), Temporal Battlecruiser (T6)'.

    Also consider that the length of time these have been out, it's not a bug either and no-one else has complained about it. The fact only 2 people are having an issue doesn't make it a pressing concern. And finally, it takes only a second to see if a console can be equipped or not, but you want Cryptic to spend days, even weeks to update EVERY console in game to be 'more specific', which again the descriptions clearly already are.
    "You don't want to patrol!? You don't want to escort!? You don't want to defend the Federation's Starbases!? Then why are you flying my Starships!? If you were a Klingon you'd be killed on the spot, but lucky for you.....you WERE in Starfleet. Let's see how New Zealand Penal Colony suits you." Adm A. Necheyev.
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