Hay Guys Now that we reach the Half way point in the First Season of Star Trek Discovery we see the Spore Drive being something unreliable. So these means it can be fit in to Cannon all together and here is a reason why through out Starfleet history they constantly do alternate ways of FTL either being trans-warp Slipstream Warp Drive and now Spore Drive. So why have we not heard of something like of Spore Drive until Now will this could have been a above Top Secret Project by Starfleet and or (section 31) way to win the War the Klingons but as we see in the Series the Dangers it gives with the Creature and Lt Stamen. So We have to assume the Spore Drive was just another failure with Starfleet to go Faster then warp 9.
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Kinda like the Borg in nearly all TNG era Star Trek games.
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Just like Transwarp and Slipstream... probably not worth the investment and risk over traditional, proven Warp Drive.
The drive is working perfectly, it's the biological component that was unreliable and whats worse is that Stamets did it on purpose as he mentioned how he loves his doctor friend before which strongly suggested he knew before hand what was coming next for him, he basically begged Lorca to try again to make sure.
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The drive works as it is intended, it just a tax on the biological component to keep doing the same thing over a duration without the chance to recouperate. However because Discovery doesn't have anything that calculate or store information as fast and as much as a humanoid brain or even a larger non-humanoid brain at this point, it's still a requirement to have such a biological component.
If Starfleet ever developed a computer fast enough to calculate and store vast amounts of information and release it as fast, the biological component wouldn't be required. For now Lorca is going to have to have Stamets rest up a bit to give his body the chance to recouperate after such a taxing experience, he has little choice in the matter, or inject someone else with hybrid tartargrade dna so it's not so depenedent on Stamets to overdo it.
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And we know that at present their computers can’t handle the load, but 24c ones with bioneural gel pack might be more capable. So we know quite a lot about how the drive works, we just don’t know the consequences of its wider use.
I think the major reason we never heard of the tech again is because it went wrong. I’m fairly certain that either Discovery is lost for good, or is in some sort of Voyager situation where they must now work together (including the Klingon) to overcome the problems and find a way home.
So because if that I’d hazard a guess and say SF wipes all knowledge of the project from their records. Probably even more likely when you consider how adverse they are to genetic manipulation, Stamets is literally a walking crime scene with the doctor and captain as the accused as well.
There are suggestions they have ended up in a mirror universe so I’m wondering if they escape and decide that the drive is simply too dangerous based on what they find there. Maybe they destroy the network to stop anything crossing over to protect their own universe.
We will have to see what happens in 2018 when the remainer or the season airs as to how badly Stamet's may have screwed up before speculating to the fate of the drive. If it turns out it was just Stamet's pushing too hard, then finding an alternative means to run the spore drive would be a priority. So long as it works correctly on the Discovery, i don't think Lorca would give up the advantage he has with the Klingons in the area if he can pull off a number of victories as big as what happened with T'Kuvma's ship and Kol.
On the other hand if L'Rell finds out about the device and manages to twist and torture Tyler to the point he reveals everything to her and she escapes with not only the knowledge of the drive, but a container of the mycelial spores and Tyler who may know about how much it works and worse those details are revealed to the wider Klingon empire, just out of principle Lorca might have little choice but to dismantle such a drive and rely on old fashioned warp drive once again rather than proving to the wider galaxy what they were up to.
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If there is a 1% chance of ships disappearing into another universe using the spore drive, then the system is not reliable and would be scrapped. Only organizations that don't care about the risk would use it.
So... Klingons, Romulans, Borg, Cardassians, Ferengi, and others? Hell, if there was a 99% chance the mycelium network could get Voyager home, don't you think Janeway would have tried it? Wouldn't it have been reintroduced during the Dominion War out of desparation?
The dangers would have to be a lot worse than that for this to be universally abandoned. Like, the warp kind of dangerous. So dangerous that no sane person would ever go near that thing again, no matter how desperately they might need it.
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The only ones that might use it on a regular basis is the Ferengi if it is extremely profitable. Organizations like the Tal Shiar, Section 31, and the Obsidian Order would use it for Black Ops, but their merchant and militaries wouldn't. A Spore Drive with a 1% chance of entering another universe is a desperation technology.
If the Spore Drive has a 1% chance of entering into another universe, then any ship will be lost given enough jumps which is why it is not an acceptable risk to most organizations unless they are truly desperate like the exact situation that Discovery is set in.
With the risk of entering another universe, then there is the chance of encountering races like Species 8472 or Daemons from the Immaterium. Have enough ships with Spore Drives lost to another universe and the Milky Way Galaxy will be invaded by some hostile alien race.
(of course this won't happen till the show is cancelled/finishes its run)
I believe that we'll also be shown that the Spore Drive messes with all the crews DNA and/or Brain Functions every time they jump, which is another reason it's never used again.
(just not as quickly as Stamets)
And if Lorca's Admiral Cornwell lover, turns out to be the Lethe from TOS "Dagger of the Mind", (and they do look very similar - see below) then her eventually ending up at the Tantalus V - Rehab Colony also ties into this theory.
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I forget if Kol chopped off Corwell's legs or if he just disabled them. If true, then she would need to undergo limb regeneration or use highly advanced prosthetics to become Lethe. Nog has a biosynthetic and Geordi has his VISOR so it likely means that regeneration is not used in the 23rd or 24th Century Federation.
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Just disabled. And Kol didn't really do anything to her, she was just lying there, presumed dead. L'Rell seemed to have electro(plasma)cuted her.
But since it has to fail for canon sake, it's likely going to be a catastrophic failure since there is absolutely no mention of it being used by anyone in the future.
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I would love it if that were the case, but i don't see Trek going down the Lovecraftian nebulous cosmic horror path.
If they were to take that route my guess would be they jump to a universe/dimension that is so bad or holds something so terrible they have to cut it off or good. Mirror universe seems bad but not that bad really, it'd have to be something truly terrible. Perhaps there is a universe where some cosmic monstrosity has devoured all life and it hungers for a new realm to devour. But a combination of Trek, Hellboy and Lovecraft's mythos seems unlikely.
Or, the spore network gets killed off or damaged somehow is another guess.
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The more boring scenario is that Discovery just traveled to the Prime Universe from the Discovery Universe. If the spores used to power the Spore Drive are only present in the Discovery Universe, then it would give a good explanation why other Star Trek series never mentioned it. Especially if the mushrooms used to create the spores require a special type of soil. So even if the Discovery gives the spores to the 23rd Century Starfleet, then it could only be used until the spores are gone or at least limited to one ship.
Of course, Discovery could have ripped off part of STO's Agents of Yesterday expansion and have the Spore Drive transport them to the 25th Century.
So the issue is did Discovery start in the Prime Universe 10 years before TOS or did it end up in the Prime Universe 10 years before TOS.
It seems more likely that we'll get a reason for why this isn't used later, maybe a retcon that it IS used just has special sauce needed.
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