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  • ssbn655ssbn655 Member Posts: 1,894 Arc User
    It's too early to make an assessment like this. Some people might have joined STO because of it, but the number will be really small.

    It's more likely Discovery might have more of an impact on STO when people have seen entire seasons and STO actually has some of the ships later down the road.

    God forbid... Spinning hull sections, disco light spore drive wind up, coffins glued to the outside of klingon ships, Cpt. Nemo Diving suits... shudder
  • ssbn655ssbn655 Member Posts: 1,894 Arc User
    Forgive some of the missing letters I will use @ to [email protected] it @s my [email protected] is hurting. I [email protected] [email protected] looking [email protected] to Discovery until the outright lies CBS tossed out. Like The new Klingons CBS : "The @liens in the [email protected] shots @re not Klingons but @nother species @nd the person [email protected] been fired." Few weeks [email protected] CBS : These @re Klingons. Then the look of the Klingon ships wow. So I just in [email protected] I [email protected] wrong [email protected] down @nd [email protected] three episodes @nd [email protected] it [email protected] worse then I expected. But there is bright note everything [email protected] [email protected] @ll of the [email protected] Treks so good is @live @nd well on... The Orville. Yes the first two episodes were @[email protected] BUT from Episode 3 on it is more Trek the TRIBBLE is. Ignore the jokes (they @re fewer now) [email protected] @ttention to the story nd you will go wow. TRIBBLE I'll [email protected] to borrow my [email protected] [email protected] if it ever gets put on them.
  • tremere12tremere12 Member Posts: 477 Arc User
    edited October 2017
    Old Star Trek series haven't aged well. Not well at all - looking back, it's almost a comedy show by today's standards.

    What I can say about TRIBBLE is that it's at least up to date in just about everything it does... but regardless I don't like it because of its over the top SJW push. I despise SJW's, political correctness or any other forms of false authority trying to be thought-police, and that's what TRIBBLE is, a thought-police show of the worst kind.

  • tacticalrooktacticalrook Member Posts: 810 Arc User
    tremere12 wrote: »
    Old Star Trek series haven't aged well. Not well at all - looking back, it's almost a comedy show by today's standards.

    What I can say about TRIBBLE is that it's at least up to date in just about everything it does... but regardless I don't like it because of its over the top SJW push. I despise SJW's, political correctness or any other forms of false authority trying to be thought-police, and that's what TRIBBLE is, a thought-police show of the worst kind.

    Seems like what you're calling "SJW's, political correctness or any other forms of false authority" is what Trek has historically called "diplomacy". Haven't really run into any other treksters who took issue with the diplomatic aspects of trek, but hey, there are all types of folks out there.

    Can't help but wonder how folks, who think this way, felt about Kirk's feelings toward Klingons in Star Trek 6: Undiscovered Country. Can't help but wonder if they felt disgusted with Kirk's tolerance of Klingons, that he was thought-policed into being diplomatic.. even friendly toward them. What a wholly bizarre perspective.
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  • reyan01reyan01 Member Posts: 15,536 Arc User
    tremere12 wrote: »
    Old Star Trek series haven't aged well. Not well at all - looking back, it's almost a comedy show by today's standards.

    No good preaching to wearers of rose-tinted spectacles.

    Not that I disagree. In fact I think TNG has aged quite badly to be honest. There is a good article about that here:
    https://cbr.com/10-things-to-hate-about-star-trek-the-next-generation/
  • tremere12tremere12 Member Posts: 477 Arc User
    edited October 2017
    tremere12 wrote: »
    Old Star Trek series haven't aged well. Not well at all - looking back, it's almost a comedy show by today's standards.

    What I can say about TRIBBLE is that it's at least up to date in just about everything it does... but regardless I don't like it because of its over the top SJW push. I despise SJW's, political correctness or any other forms of false authority trying to be thought-police, and that's what TRIBBLE is, a thought-police show of the worst kind.

    Seems like what you're calling "SJW's, political correctness or any other forms of false authority" is what Trek has historically called "diplomacy". Haven't really run into any other treksters who took issue with the diplomatic aspects of trek, but hey, there are all types of folks out there.

    Can't help but wonder how folks, who think this way, felt about Kirk's feelings toward Klingons in Star Trek 6: Undiscovered Country. Can't help but wonder if they felt disgusted with Kirk's tolerance of Klingons, that he was thought-policed into being diplomatic.. even friendly toward them. What a wholly bizarre perspective.

    Trek has always been leftist, but not as much as in TRIBBLE, where it borders on extremism. There's a difference between the two, and the former doesn't bother me as much.

    I also don't consider myself a "trekkie" - I just like the game.
  • orondisorondis Member Posts: 1,446 Arc User
    edited October 2017
    I really don't get the SJW complaint when it comes to TRIBBLE. I mean I've never gotten the SJW complaint, but TRIBBLE is probably the least SJW of all the Treks.

    No heavy handed moralising, no moral anvils, no Ferengi meant as parodies of 80's American conservatives, no speeches about how future Earth is so much more superior than us and a liberal paradise.

    It doesn't even have that diverse a crew in comparison. Seriously on Discovery have we yet had a name for a crewmember who wasn't white? The only character who isn't white with a name is Michael Burnham.

    And the fact she's the lead can't be the issue here, since we've had a black captain and a woman captain as a lead. She isn't even the captain of the ship (yet).
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  • avoozuulavoozuul Member Posts: 3,022 Arc User
    edited October 2017
    reyan01 wrote: »
    No good preaching to wearers of rose-tinted spectacles.
    Well I certainly didn't watch the Star Treks I have in order nor back in the days that they were released. I started with Voyager in 2015, moved on to DS9 in 2016 followed by TNG, then finally Enterprise. I absolutely adored TNG and liked DS9 in a close second despite my hate of the Bajoran and religion aspects. I tried Discovery and really didn't enjoy it at all, but I am certainly not blinded by nostalgia nor have rose tinted glasses.

  • reyan01reyan01 Member Posts: 15,536 Arc User
    avoozuul wrote: »
    reyan01 wrote: »
    No good preaching to wearers of rose-tinted spectacles.
    Well I certainly didn't watch the Star Treks I have in order nor back in the days that they were released. I started with Voyager in 2015, moved on to DS9 in 2016 followed by TNG, then finally Enterprise. I absolutely adored TNG and liked DS9 in a close second despite my hate of the Bajoran and religion aspects. I tried Discovery and really didn't enjoy it at all, but I am certainly not blinded by nostalgia nor have rose tinted glasses.

    Well, I watched TNG on it's first run. However, looking back on it now some of it looks quite silly.

    Eitherway, the Rose Tinted spectacles reference is more a reference to the fact that TNG is often used as the benchmark by which all subsequent series should be judged - and I don't really get that. It was good (once it found it's pace), but it wasn't THAT good and, as I said, I am of the opinion that it hasn't aged very well.
  • tremere12tremere12 Member Posts: 477 Arc User
    edited October 2017
    orondis wrote: »
    I really don't get the SJW complaint when it comes to TRIBBLE. I mean I've never gotten the SJW complaint, but TRIBBLE is probably the least SJW of all the Treks.

    No heavy handed moralising, no moral anvils, no Ferengi meant as parodies of 80's American conservatives, no speeches about how future Earth is so much more superior than us and a liberal paradise.

    It doesn't even have that diverse a crew in comparison. Seriously on Discovery have we yet had a name for a crewmember who wasn't white? The only character who isn't white with a name is Michael Burnham.

    And the fact she's the lead can't be the issue here, since we've had a black captain and a woman captain as a lead. She isn't even the captain of the ship (yet).

    You have a good point there, but I think the TRIBBLE writers are aware of all that. Like I said, more up to date, but their agenda is still obvious at getting at the "Trumpites" (and before I am labelled as such, I'd like to point out that I live far away from the USA and I have rather eccentric views of life). I knew it the moment I saw the first episode. Still, if people enjoy it, then by all means, but count me out.
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  • coldspike1coldspike1 Member Posts: 101 Arc User
    I have been watching Star Trek since it aired in 1965 I just can't take another pre-tos I feel this should have been at least been set post voyager timeline wise not to mention that terrible looking ship and I could go on and on, but as far as it adding to STO I don't think it will very much . Sorry abut the rant and being off topic
  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,958 Arc User
    edited October 2017
    It kinda bothers me that people only look for agendas, instead of actually reacting to what is happening on the show. It's like missing the forest for all the trees.

    So, there is a homosexual couple, because of a "liberal agenda" or whatever. But what are these people in the story? They are a couple, yes, but they are also a medical professional and a scientist. They have relations with their co-workers. Are those interesting? In the last episode, Stamets tells Burnham something about how he and his husband met, and teaches her about the "illogic" of love, helping her understanding more about her own (human) feelings, things she didn't learn from her Vulcan upbringing. None of the story arc so far makes it about them being homosexual .

    So there is a "woman of color" as main protagonist because of an liberal agenda. But what kind of woman is she? Did they ever make a point of her being a women, or her being of color? Nope. Her trademark is that she grew up among Vulcans and was brought up on Vulcan philosophy, and has a hard time relating emotionally to others. She's competent, but she makes a bad decision that ruins her career, and ends her in prison. None of that has to do with "woman" or "of color".

    So the Klingons are "Trumpites", according to some. Their "Remain Klingon" slogan would of course work for any nationalist or racist movement. But what are they in the story?
    The Klingons are a divided races. 24 houses were basically squabbling among each other and ignoring that there is a new giant awakening next to them, the Federation. A group of Klingons thinks these are a threat to the Klingons, they risk losing territory and independence if they ignore the Federation for longer. So his "Remain Klingon" slogan is a rallying crew to unite the Klingons so they can resist the threat of obsolesce. Is this such an unlikely storyline? Is this a storyline that doesn't fit the Klingons as we know them from Star Trek?
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  • keladorkelador Member Posts: 318 Arc User
    It kinda bothers me that people only look for agendas, instead of actually reacting to what is happening on the show. It's like missing the forest for all the trees.

    So, there is a homosexual couple, because of a "liberal agenda" or whatever. But what are these people in the story? They are a couple, yes, but they are also a medical professional and a scientist. They have relations with their co-workers. Are those interesting? In the last episode, Stamets tells Burnham something about how he and his husband met, and teaches her about the "illogic" of love, helping her understanding more about her own (human) feelings, things she didn't learn from her Vulcan upbringing. None of the story arc so far makes it about them being homosexual .

    So there is a "woman of color" as main protagonist because of an liberal agenda. But what kind of woman is she? Did they ever make a point of her being a women, or her being of color? Nope. Her trademark is that she grew up among Vulcans and was brought up on Vulcan philosophy, and has a hard time relating emotionally to others. She's competent, but she makes a bad decision that ruins her career, and ends her in prison. None of that has to do with "woman" or "of color".

    So the Klingons are "Trumpites", according to some. Their "Remain Klingon" slogan would of course work for any nationalist or racist movement. But what are they in the story?
    The Klingons are a divided races. 24 houses were basically squabbling among each other and ignoring that there is a new giant awakening next to them, the Federation. A group of Klingons thinks these are a threat to the Klingons, they risk losing territory and independence if they ignore the Federation for longer. So his "Remain Klingon" slogan is a rallying crew to unite the Klingons so they can resist the threat of obsolesce. Is this such an unlikely storyline? Is this a storyline that doesn't fit the Klingons as we know them from Star Trek?

    To be honest Until you brought it up the fact there are same sex couple's in TRIBBLE had not even occurred to me as being out of the ordinary the same with a woman of colour being the main protagonist, I guess maybe its a cultural thing the UK is very muli-cultural so I was raised with this sort of thing being normal yes we have our racists, homophobes and bigots but i guess its more of an issue in america never visited your country so just guessing.
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    I'm going to caution people about getting overly political in their discussions here. Also, there's not much game discussion going on here, so I'm going to move this to Ten Forward.

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  • camclcamcl Member Posts: 7 Arc User
    *wave* lifetimer here, I came back in the excitement for Discovery.

    Love the series, I'm actually really enjoying it (as is my fiance'), and I'm one of the older 2nd-gen chaps who was able to watch TNG's TV run as it aired.

    Really hoping they add more DISCO to STO.
  • hawku001xhawku001x Member Posts: 10,664 Arc User
    patrickngo wrote: »
    With TNG, Trek fandom became as mainstream as Van Halen, and TNG did for Trek what Van Halen did for hard rock

    Agreed.

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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,548 Arc User
    Isn't Star Trek supposed to be anti-SJW due to it being the 22nd to 24th Century where humanity has evolved beyond such petty concerns? It doesn't matter about creed, race, or gender. All that matters is how a person acts.
  • daveynydaveyny Member Posts: 8,227 Arc User
    coldspike1 wrote: »
    I have been watching Star Trek since it aired in 1965 I just can't take another pre-tos I feel this should have been at least been set post voyager timeline wise not to mention that terrible looking ship and I could go on and on, but as far as it adding to STO I don't think it will very much . Sorry abut the rant and being off topic
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  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    Wow. Another thread of whining fanbois again. How original and unexpected.

    As to the question, yes probably.​​
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    starkaos wrote: »
    Isn't Star Trek supposed to be anti-SJW due to it being the 22nd to 24th Century where humanity has evolved beyond such petty concerns? It doesn't matter about creed, race, or gender. All that matters is how a person acts.
    hahaha, no. They did try to portray the Federation like that sometimes, but it never acted like that.
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  • redvengeredvenge Member Posts: 1,425 Arc User
    So the Klingons are "Trumpites", according to some. Their "Remain Klingon" slogan would of course work for any nationalist or racist movement.
    Yes, it would work for any nationalist group. Which is why the showrunners had to point out the correlation themselves.

    When the showrunners themselves say "there are major parallels between our perception of events surrounding President Trump and what is going on in the show", I can't blame viewers for actively looking for those corollaries. The viewers may be wrong as to which parts are the political commentary, but it's the showrunners that started all this.

    Season two and it's "parallels between Trump and North Korea" should prove fascinating.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
    redvenge wrote: »
    So the Klingons are "Trumpites", according to some. Their "Remain Klingon" slogan would of course work for any nationalist or racist movement.
    Yes, it would work for any nationalist group. Which is why the showrunners had to point out the correlation themselves.

    When the showrunners themselves say "there are major parallels between our perception of events surrounding President Trump and what is going on in the show", I can't blame viewers for actively looking for those corollaries. The viewers may be wrong as to which parts are the political commentary, but it's the showrunners that started all this.

    Season two and it's "parallels between Trump and North Korea" should prove fascinating.
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  • valoreahvaloreah Member Posts: 11,065 Arc User
    If Discovery has managed to bring new players to the game, then it is a very good thing. Both for STO and for the future of Star Trek.
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  • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,951 Arc User
    orondis wrote: »
    I really don't get the SJW complaint when it comes to TRIBBLE. I mean I've never gotten the SJW complaint, but TRIBBLE is probably the least SJW of all the Treks.

    No heavy handed moralising, no moral anvils, no Ferengi meant as parodies of 80's American conservatives, no speeches about how future Earth is so much more superior than us and a liberal paradise.

    It doesn't even have that diverse a crew in comparison. Seriously on Discovery have we yet had a name for a crewmember who wasn't white? The only character who isn't white with a name is Michael Burnham.

    And the fact she's the lead can't be the issue here, since we've had a black captain and a woman captain as a lead. She isn't even the captain of the ship (yet).
    Well, let's see.
    • Both security chiefs, Ellen Landry and Ash Tyler (the former played by an Indian-Canadian, the latter played by an actor of mixed Pakistani and British descent).
    • The CMO, Hugh Culber, played by a Latino actor.

    Speaking of Tyler, that fan theory about Voq and Ash Tyler being the same person? Not true. The guy playing Voq, Javid Iqbal, is new to TV but has a legit, if short, career as a theater actor.
    It kinda bothers me that people only look for agendas, instead of actually reacting to what is happening on the show. It's like missing the forest for all the trees.

    So, there is a homosexual couple, because of a "liberal agenda" or whatever. But what are these people in the story? They are a couple, yes, but they are also a medical professional and a scientist. They have relations with their co-workers. Are those interesting? In the last episode, Stamets tells Burnham something about how he and his husband met, and teaches her about the "illogic" of love, helping her understanding more about her own (human) feelings, things she didn't learn from her Vulcan upbringing. None of the story arc so far makes it about them being homosexual.
    What I have a problem with there has more to do with Vulcans than with real-life human sexuality. I was actually hopeful from the way Sarek was portrayed in "Lethe" that the show was going to do Vulcans properly: he was deeply emotional inside his mind, though he maintained that granite exterior outside of it. Ergo feeling love isn't and shouldn't be thought to be something that's alien to them.

    So frankly that bit from "Magic" ought to have been treated as having less to do with Vulcans in general and more to do with Sarek specifically (Spock, too, was estranged from him, into TNG even).
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    So there is a "woman of color" as main protagonist because of an liberal agenda. But what kind of woman is she? Did they ever make a point of her being a women, or her being of color? Nope. Her trademark is that she grew up among Vulcans and was brought up on Vulcan philosophy, and has a hard time relating emotionally to others. She's competent, but she makes a bad decision that ruins her career, and ends her in prison. None of that has to do with "woman" or "of color".

    So the Klingons are "Trumpites", according to some. Their "Remain Klingon" slogan would of course work for any nationalist or racist movement. But what are they in the story?
    The Klingons are a divided races. 24 houses were basically squabbling among each other and ignoring that there is a new giant awakening next to them, the Federation. A group of Klingons thinks these are a threat to the Klingons, they risk losing territory and independence if they ignore the Federation for longer. So his "Remain Klingon" slogan is a rallying crew to unite the Klingons so they can resist the threat of obsolesce. Is this such an unlikely storyline? Is this a storyline that doesn't fit the Klingons as we know them from Star Trek?

    I think patrick is having trouble separating the marketing from the show itself. A lot of the press was about the diverse cast (which, it does roughly as well as DS9 and VOY), but there's a certain thing people talking up the series to the media would've had to deal with called not spoiling the story. There honestly wasn't a whole lot else they could talk about.

    And in-series? It's barely brought up. The Stamets/Culber relationship in particular is treated very well: they're not some magically totally-in-tune true love thing, they're real people. E.g. they're obviously in love, but they still drive each other nuts half the time.
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