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Gorkon - A bad word ?

combatpac1combatpac1 Member Posts: 6 Arc User
in Star Trek Online General Discussion
Good Afternoon Star Trek: Online Developers,

Question, why is the starship name Gorkon prohibited ? I have for several months attempted to name my Excelsior Class Starship USS Gorkon (NCC-40512), and the name Gorkon will not be accepted. A message appears: "The field contains restricted words". Is this an error ? Would you all correct this ? I would like to name my starship the Gorkon.

I understand why the starship name Enterprise is being restricted, to some degree. I have also noticed that the starship name Defiant is also restricted.

Thank You !

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  • trennantrennan Member Posts: 2,839 Arc User
    combatpac1 wrote: »
    Good Afternoon Star Trek: Online Developers,

    Question, why is the starship name Gorkon prohibited ? I have for several months attempted to name my Excelsior Class Starship USS Gorkon (NCC-40512), and the name Gorkon will not be accepted. A message appears: "The field contains restricted words". Is this an error ? Would you all correct this ? I would like to name my starship the Gorkon.

    I understand why the starship name Enterprise is being restricted, to some degree. I have also noticed that the starship name Defiant is also restricted.

    Thank You !

    http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Gorkon

    https://sto.gamepedia.com/Gorkon_Science_Battlecruiser_(T6)

    Could be the reason why. It's already the class name of a Klingon Science ship.
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  • combatpac1combatpac1 Member Posts: 6 Arc User
    I am very aware of who Chancellor Gorkon was and his contribution to Federation History. However, a Klingon Gorkon class ship does not seem to be enough to warrant a restricted word. I do see Excelsior is also a restricted word. However, the words (and ship class names) Galaxy, Ambassador, Constitution, Oberth, Cheyenne, and Akira for example are not restricted, so I tend to think that restricted class names is not the standard and this may be a long time error of some kind.
  • trennantrennan Member Posts: 2,839 Arc User
    combatpac1 wrote: »
    I am very aware of who Chancellor Gorkon was and his contribution to Federation History. However, a Klingon Gorkon class ship does not seem to be enough to warrant a restricted word. I do see Excelsior is also a restricted word. However, the words (and ship class names) Galaxy, Ambassador, Constitution, Oberth, Cheyenne, and Akira for example are not restricted, so I tend to think that restricted class names is not the standard and this may be a long time error of some kind.

    Could also be that it's the name of a ship in the TNG book series. I.K.S. Gorkon: A Good Day To Die.

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  • nccmarknccmark Member Posts: 1,084 Arc User
    You likely won't get an answer on this from anyone official.
    It's verboten, evident by you not being able to choose it. A bunch of guesses why, but none of that matters. That's it.
  • trennantrennan Member Posts: 2,839 Arc User
    nccmark wrote: »
    You likely won't get an answer on this from anyone official.
    It's verboten, evident by you not being able to choose it. A bunch of guesses why, but none of that matters. That's it.

    Yeah, I'm just guessing. I'd go with the ship name from the book series or science ship one as best guesses on it.

    Flipping through a translator, Gorkon translates as Gorkon in every language for it.

    The only translation I can find is with it broken down into certain components. Go r kon which translates from japanese as you r crowded.

    So best guess is because of the ship name in both the TNG book series and/or the ship class name, like Enterprise or Defiant, it's locked out due to lore usage.
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    There's a list of character/ship names you can't use. this list is the same for both characters and ships.
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  • anodynesanodynes Member Posts: 1,999 Arc User
    edited October 2017
    There's an I.K.S. Gorkon mentioned in the Path to 2409, so they probably put it on the list to reserve it in case they wanted to use it in a story. It probably won't happen now, as we've moved on to the Bortasqu' as the prominent flagship, and have several other named ships for Klingons to keep up the variety.
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  • tyler002tyler002 Member Posts: 1,586 Arc User
    edited October 2017
    Maybe there isn't any logic behind which names are off-limits?

    I don't know if Gorkon isn't allowed because it's a canon character name because Kahless was allowed when I last tried (I've had both an IKS & a USS Kahless before).
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  • annemarie30annemarie30 Member Posts: 2,698 Arc User
    Gorkon was the name of the klingon cruiser in ST5. I think the names of all movie ships is restricted.
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  • ironmakoironmako Member Posts: 770 Arc User
    edited October 2017
    Most names that are ised in ST movies ar eprotected by copyright. Try using the name "Reliant" for your ship, or "Chang" for a name for your Klingon, You will see the same problem.

    I myself have spent a considerable amount of money making an accurate Chang, but i was slightly dissapointed when I had to modify the name a little, in order for it to be acceptable.

    My 'Chang' alt also has familiar Boffs, But instead of Gorkon, It's Gorkan, and Azetbur, has become Aze'bur.

    I also Have a Khan flying a Reliant, again with a slight twist of the names.
  • tyler002tyler002 Member Posts: 1,586 Arc User
    edited October 2017
    The only starship named Gorkon in canon was a Federation Excelsior Class from TNG, the Gorkon from the movies was the Klingon Chancellor (from movie 6). The ship was Kronos One.
    ironmako wrote: »
    Most names that are ised in ST movies ar eprotected by copyright. Try using the name "Reliant" for your ship, or "Chang" for a name for your Klingon, You will see the same problem.
    It's not movie-based, I tried Martok and was not allowed. curiously, Kahless worked just fine.
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  • steaensteaen Member Posts: 646 Arc User
    If you're an LTS with the Android BOFF, you can't call it Data but you can call it Lore.
  • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    edited October 2017
    markhawkman wrote: »
    There's a list of character/ship names you can't use. this list is the same for both characters and ships.

    USS Fearless NCC 14598. Used to ferry Kosinski and his assistant to the Enterprise to sort out ineffiencies in the Enterprise's warp core.

    I have the ships name and the registry as well as the excelsior class ship. :tongue:
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  • avoozuulavoozuul Member Posts: 3,215 Arc User
    edited October 2017
    In real life many people and ships have the same name, the restrictions to already used names is pretty pointless.
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  • lopequillopequil Member Posts: 1,226 Arc User
    There was a USS Gorkon in canon (that witch Admiral Necheyev's ship). You could spell it in the Klingon way and get around the restriction that way, i.e. USS ghorqon.
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  • duncanidaho11duncanidaho11 Member Posts: 7,980 Arc User
    edited October 2017
    ironmako wrote: »
    Most names that are ised in ST movies ar eprotected by copyright

    I think that's unlikely (as far as being a reason why we can't use a select few names from the IP). The issue with restricted names probably comes from Cryptic and/or CBS wanting to preserve several key names that have prominence in canon (if only to encourage players to think more creatively about their choice in ships and crews.) Take for example Voyager, Excelsior, and Enterprise (but not Saratoga, Intrepid, and Columbia.)

    Gorkon apparently was included in that list. Okay, we can't use it, so move on.

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  • seriousxenoseriousxeno Member Posts: 473 Arc User
    You can't use it for the same reason I couldn't name my Dominion Dreadnought the "Weyoun". Certain names are just off limits.
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  • marty123#3757 marty123
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    You can’t name ships after certain characters or starships from canon for instance you can’t name your ship Enterprise.
  • jrdobbsjr#3264 jrdobbsjr
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    Tried naming a ship USS Monitor, wouldn't let me do that either....yet I saw someone with a USS Heinrich Himmler out in sector space once.
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  • duncanidaho11duncanidaho11 Member Posts: 7,980 Arc User
    jrdobbsjr#3264 wrote: »
    Tried naming a ship USS Monitor, wouldn't let me do that either....yet I saw someone with a USS Heinrich Himmler out in sector space once.
    Debating the objective qualities of the name filter is not productive. If you feel that someone has abused their ship name, report them to GM (right click, select appropriate option, provide info, submit.) Cryptic has not populated the restricted list with all offensive figures, personalities, words, idioms, or saucy references from the English language. Nor have they apparently restricted names for copyright reasons. Here are the following that I just tested:

    U.S.S. Galactica
    U.S.S. Long Shot
    U.S.S. Hull Zero Three
    U.S.S. Heart of Gold
    U.S.S. Elmo
    U.S.S. X-Wing
    U.S.S. Farscape
    U.S.S. Pillar of Autumn
    U.S.S. Yoda
    U.S.S. Frodo
    U.S.S. Harlan Ellison
    U.S.S. Sailor Moon
    U.S.S. Yamato (also a Space Battleship)
    U.S.S. Duncan Idaho

    It's worth at this point citing the Terms of Use:
    16.4 You agree not to post, upload to, transmit, distribute, store, create or otherwise publish any of the following:

    c. User Content that may infringe any patent, trademark, trade secret, copyright or other intellectual or proprietary right of any party. By posting any User Content, you represent and warrant that you have the lawful right to distribute and reproduce such User Content;

    Cryptic is not responsible for ensuring that players don't use the names of other IP's (inside and out of the Star Trek Franchise) for ships, boffs, and for that matter character handles (see. me) in the main game. We certify that ourselves by agreeing to the TOU. If there's a problem, then we are wholly responsible for content abuse, not them.

    So, the devs' restrictions are for the obvious expletives (although that returns a different error message than restricted names) and obvious names from intra-IP content that Cryptic didn't want players to use for their own reasons. What could they be? Well, maybe it's as simple as "they want us to be more creative." If approached honestly, that helps support the STO narrative and provides more space for personal investment (what we make is more our own).

    (BTW, lock in Discovery now if you want to make a 25c equivalent, you never know when Cryptic might update the restricted list :tongue: )
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