NOT ENJOYABLE

haxxsaw · October 2017

The stupid mini-games are not enjoyable at all when you have to do them over and over again. This entire colony world system is absolutely ridiculous, requiring too much time for smaller fleets.

tvirx · October 2017

I like them, so does this mean that I cancel you out?

emacsheadroom · October 2017

coldnapalm wrote: »

Than don't do it.

Exactly right. Show Cryptic what a critical screwup they made with this season by not playing the game. The more players who throw up their hands and quit because of the ridiculous time investment asked of them, the better. It worked for Delta Rising and it'll work here. The devs will eventually see their godawful mistake and make colony provisions buyable. Of course, by then it'll be too late, just like with Delta Rising.

sisteric · October 2017

All small fleets have a problem with fleet holdings. No different here.
The mini games are not so bad.

bubblegirl2015 · October 2017

From tribble calculations it should take about 240 days to finish up the whole Colony holding if you dedicate doing them 24X7.

For those who like it... enjoy till your eyes bleed

ltminns · October 2017

The Contrarians have arrived.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0RpmwqaxrwA

anodynes · October 2017

bubblegirl2015 wrote: »

From tribble calculations it should take about 240 days to finish up the whole Colony holding if you dedicate doing them 24X7.

For those who like it... enjoy till your eyes bleed

So, a 5 tier fleet holding, then? That's about how long the Starbase takes starting from scratch, too.

ltminns wrote: »

The Contrarians have arrived.

I don't hate the minigames, and I give the developers credit for trying something different with this holding. That being said, I think that this would have been best saved for another smaller holding, and not for something that already has a built-in wait of over 200 days at minimum to complete just due to its size, or at least scaled much farther back thab they ultimately did. The minigames for provisions don't seem so bad at Tier 1, but by Tier 4, there's going to be some serious tedium going on.

B+ for the inspiration, C- for the implementation, and I'm being generous on the latter.

starkaos · October 2017

There is automatic goods collection and duty officer assignments for getting to Tier 1 which should relieve some of the pain.

indyshark · October 2017

I hate the mini-games!

lianthelia · October 2017

ltminns wrote: »

The Contrarians have arrived.

That video says it all right there about people who love this...

haxxsaw · October 2017

ltminns wrote: »

The Contrarians have arrived.

Yes they have. The same people that will claim the sky is yellow if one were to say it is blue.

dirlettia · October 2017

Our fleets dont seem to be having problems with the games just yet. We have 3 fleets Fed side and not one has a project with spots to fill so a fair few members still have provisions to spare. Of course things will slow later when costs rise substantially but for now it is too early to complain. Yes we are a large fleet though with a fair few active players.

kiralyn · October 2017

I can't say I'm excited by the minigames, but I certainly can stand them. It's not nearly as much mini-gaming as it was back when we had the hourly events (I'd run 5 characters through Dil Mining in an hour. That's 25x the ore minigame), or when farming Omega particles during the anniversaries (I think 10 minigame runs of each color particle is enough to generate one Omega tech. So do that at least once a day during the anniv....)

Doing the three minigames once a day on my 4 fleet alts? Just a minor bump in the road. And with the Coffer system, anyone else doing them builds up reserves for when the projects get bigger....

anodynes · October 2017

Right. Those who complain that they're pushing us into more of these minigames are missing the other side of the feedback loop. They give us dilithium weekends and people flock to the mines. They give us the Omega game for Anniversaries and we gorge ourselves. It's not hard to imagine why they throw more minigames at us.

ltminns · October 2017

Yep, you got it. The Contrarians are the ones that say that the mini-games are the greatest thing since sliced bread. People tolerate it for the Omega because of the perceived benefit from them. People tolerate it for Mining because everything needs Dilitium.

Cryptic believes that they need these things added to every new Featured Episode. Must add another minute to the Episode. Metrics©®™, don't you know. It looked pretty obvious from the Nexus episode that they really didn't QA the new background on the Holodeck Security Bypass (the normal Dilitium mini-game). Yellow? Really?

The Beatles expressed it best:

'You say yes, I say no
You say stop and I say go go go, oh no
You say goodbye and I say hello
Hello hello
I don't know why you say goodbye, I say hello
Hello hello
I don't know why you say goodbye, I say hello

I say high, you say low
You say why and I say I don't know, oh no
You say goodbye and I say hello...'

jarfaru · October 2017

indyshark wrote: »

I hate the mini-games!

I hate every single one of them. It turned me off when doing featured episodes. They need to give us an option to skip doing them and fast.

tom61sto · October 2017

anodynes wrote: »

Right. Those who complain that they're pushing us into more of these minigames are missing the other side of the feedback loop. They give us dilithium weekends and people flock to the mines. They give us the Omega game for Anniversaries and we gorge ourselves. It's not hard to imagine why they throw more minigames at us.

Dilithium Weekend is once a month, tops, and Omega is once a year. Whereas, the Fleet is going to need grinding for more than an entire year, if not longer, unless the automated gathering system is completely capable of filling the later Tiers on its own.

sisteric · October 2017

rocketfomthe5#9263 wrote: »

azrael605 wrote: »

In your opinion, others disagree.

You find the mini games fun? You're most likely the only person ever.

Two of the mini games I find as fun. One of them I find frustrating because of the "skipping" that occurs and the pieces not being recognized as going into the bucket. I am not sure that particular mini-game is good on the internet as is.

hawku001x · October 2017

The mini-games are the windows into our very souls. Look inside yourselves the next time you play. See the truth.

trennan · October 2017

tom61sto wrote: »

anodynes wrote: »

Right. Those who complain that they're pushing us into more of these minigames are missing the other side of the feedback loop. They give us dilithium weekends and people flock to the mines. They give us the Omega game for Anniversaries and we gorge ourselves. It's not hard to imagine why they throw more minigames at us.

Dilithium Weekend is once a month, tops, and Omega is once a year. Whereas, the Fleet is going to need grinding for more than an entire year, if not longer, unless the automated gathering system is completely capable of filling the later Tiers on its own.

Not quite a year. The last projection for this I saw was, if a fleet can keep the grind and the projects going 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. They can complete this fleet holding in 230 days.

kodachikuno · October 2017

so you hate minigames... suggest an alternative?
Personally I kinda like that theyve been at least trying to add non-combat aspects to missions with the mini-games. Not the best solution probably but it fits well within the MMO's mechanics. For the colony holding, again I kinda like that they want us involved with the building of it, would love to have seen them do this with Mol'Rihan(New Romulus). Again minigames can be tedious but given the limitations of a video game, and an mmo at that, I think it fits well.

trennan · October 2017

kodachikuno wrote: »

so you hate minigames... suggest an alternative?
Personally I kinda like that theyve been at least trying to add non-combat aspects to missions with the mini-games. Not the best solution probably but it fits well within the MMO's mechanics. For the colony holding, again I kinda like that they want us involved with the building of it, would love to have seen them do this with Mol'Rihan(New Romulus). Again minigames can be tedious but given the limitations of a video game, and an mmo at that, I think it fits well.

I haven't bothered with these mini-games. But as a suggestion

The Scavenger Hunt from the First Contact Day Event, perhaps?

kodachikuno · October 2017

see? thats productive... 'waaa I hate this' w/o offering other options is not

postinggum · October 2017

The mini games make no sense in the colony setting as part of the STO fictional world. We need to be doing at least one of: buying, crafting , looting or finding them. How difficult would it have been to code in a treasure hunt or crafting project?

postinggum · October 2017

Heres a better suggestion a mission in which a shuttle approaches but is attacked - kill the bad guys and get the stuff, could be those bugs, Tzenkethi or random mercs.

kodachikuno · October 2017

postinggum wrote: »

Heres a better suggestion a mission in which a shuttle approaches but is attacked - kill the bad guys and get the stuff, could be those bugs, Tzenkethi or random mercs.

Id file that under 'worse suggestion' personally... you want some mindless pew pew? go queue for RA or run argala

usskentucky · October 2017

In the future technology has made it so that all labor is completed by doing three minigames.

NOT ENJOYABLE

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