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Advice for the Ferengi D'Kora drain build

ironmakoironmako Member Posts: 770 Arc User
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I've acquired a D'Kora which prompted me to create a new Ferengi toon, and i've decided to make a new fun Drain build.

I would also like to keep the visuals as canon as possible which I know would limit my options, but again, this is go get the most and by keeping it canon at the same time (golden/orange beams/cannons).

I've read about drain builds on the forum and on reddit, and there is always a debate on which weapons are best suited. Normally the debates either favour Tetryon or Polaron weapons.

I would also like advise on the Shields/Impulse/Warp/Deflector combinations as I've also seen different combinations, but i'm not sure which would be best for the D'kora build.

And of course, the consoles. I have heard that the plasmonic leech is a must, but I would like advise on what else must be on my shopping list.

So, ideas and suggestions are welcome, and thanks in advance.

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  • dracounguisdracounguis Member Posts: 5,358 Arc User
    Isolytic Plasma is golden/yellow color. And not too expensive on the Exchange.
    Sometimes I think I play STO just to have something to complain about on the forums.
  • ironmakoironmako Member Posts: 770 Arc User
    But aren't these more for DoT rather than drain?
  • hillard1959hillard1959 Member Posts: 197 Arc User
    Well, if you're wanting drain beams, there's tetryon, which will strip shields, and dominion polarons which will also strip shields and has a power drain. That being said, any weapon will drain power levels if you're using a Plasmonic Leech console.
  • odinforever20000odinforever20000 Member Posts: 1,849 Arc User
    edited October 2017
    So.. Honestly..Shield drain is surpassed by moderate drain levels and the use of the Quantum Phase Weapons set.. Tetryon and Tetryon Glider and other sheild drains, simply suck in comparison..Click the links ...you'll see.

    For Subsystem Drain,the Polaron Proc is quite Nasty with High Drain X numbers. If your Ok with losing a mod..Polarized Disruptors are FUN!.

    As Previously mentioned.. Plasmonic Leech Is NIIICE on Full Drain builds and can help in leaving your target without power..But abilities and Traits certain will give you more of a boost to your own subsystem power than that console due to the return being higher the more DRAAAAIN you have.

    Keep in mind most of those numbers stop at 500 but..Ive seen 800 Drain builds.

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  • tom61stotom61sto Member Posts: 3,673 Arc User
    Traditional Drain builds use mostly Science abilities, however the D'Kora only has a single Lt. Science, which means it's a bit lacking in that area.

    If you want shield draining, you could go with the Omega Force Shields and Engines to gain 'Tetryon Glider' a nice shield drain added to your energy weapons (regardless of type). Pair that with Terran Task Force Deflector and Warp Core for far more DrainX to strip shields even faster.

    For canon purposes, standard Phaser Dual Cannons and Dual Heavy Cannons are pretty close to the pulses fired by these ships in TNG, and they're fairly cheap and have cheap enhancements (consoles, sets, etc.). Dual Cannons would be preferred thanks to the Tetryon Glider being per-pulse instead of per-cycle like most things.
  • pottsey5gpottsey5g Member Posts: 4,251 Arc User
    The two missile launchers with command spec so the missiles drain shields per hit.
  • odinforever20000odinforever20000 Member Posts: 1,849 Arc User
    pottsey5g wrote: »
    The two missile launchers with command spec so the missiles drain shields per hit.

    Tachyon Charges with Command spec still are small potatoes compared to the Q phase torp under torp spread.

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  • ironmakoironmako Member Posts: 770 Arc User
    odinforever20000 wrote: »
    pottsey5g wrote: »
    The two missile launchers with command spec so the missiles drain shields per hit.

    Tachyon Charges with Command spec still are small potatoes compared to the Q phase torp under torp spread.

    I am sure yoou are accurate in what you are saying (and I shall certainly be taking your advice on board :) ) but shouldn't the D'kora missiles get some sort of attention to give them a boost?

  • pottsey5gpottsey5g Member Posts: 4,251 Arc User
    edited October 2017
    ironmako wrote: »
    odinforever20000 wrote: »
    pottsey5g wrote: »
    The two missile launchers with command spec so the missiles drain shields per hit.

    Tachyon Charges with Command spec still are small potatoes compared to the Q phase torp under torp spread.

    I am sure yoou are accurate in what you are saying (and I shall certainly be taking your advice on board :) ) but shouldn't the D'kora missiles get some sort of attention to give them a boost?
    When you have a torpedo boat the Qphase torp will drain far more shields then either of the 3 sources of missiles. When you don’t have any projectile doffs or torp buffs and only 1 single torpedo I believe on single exposed targets either of the two missile launchers will drain more shields then Qphase as you will get 4 missiles hits per 1 Q phase hit. The battle computer missiles being the 3rd missile source are always worse then Qphase.

    Then again The Qpahse is AoE and works even if the target is not exposed. There is also the theme missiles fit the D'kora theme better.

  • pottsey5gpottsey5g Member Posts: 4,251 Arc User
    If you want a deadly shield stripper take a Qphase with Advanced Piezo Photon. The two together strip all shields and the Pizo is deadly in high yield. as it strips in a 5km blast.
  • odinforever20000odinforever20000 Member Posts: 1,849 Arc User
    pottsey5g wrote: »
    The two missile launchers with command spec so the missiles drain shields per hit.

    Are you sure?.. Under Low Drain numbers the Qphase will do 20k (@about 200 Drain X) to ALL shield facings With torpedo spread ALL AT ONCE.(So..every 15 seconds for TS)..I'd find it hard to believe the Kentari or Ferengi missiles can do anywhere close to that.And their effects are only to 1 shield facing...


    So now im curious. What numbers do you have for Drain and what does the Command Proc show for drain for you?
    pottsey5g wrote: »
    ironmako wrote: »
    odinforever20000 wrote: »
    pottsey5g wrote: »
    The two missile launchers with command spec so the missiles drain shields per hit.

    Tachyon Charges with Command spec still are small potatoes compared to the Q phase torp under torp spread.

    I am sure you are accurate in what you are saying (and I shall certainly be taking your advice on board :) ) but shouldn't the D'kora missiles get some sort of attention to give them a boost?
    When you have a torpedo boat the Qphase torp will drain far more shields then either of the 3 sources of missiles. When you don’t have any projectile doffs or torp buffs and only 1 single torpedo I believe on single exposed targets either of the two missile launchers will drain more shields then Qphase as you will get 4 missiles hits per 1 Q phase hit. The battle computer missiles being the 3rd missile source are always worse then Qphase.

    Then again The Qpahse is AoE and works even if the target is not exposed. There is also the theme missiles fit the D'kora theme better.

    This is a Single Topredo vs 3-4 missle activations comparison under no abilities (except command Pro). In 4 activations the Ferengi missiles (3 for the Kentari) can they do more than 3000 shield drain (with the command Proc @ 200 drain X)?
    The Qphase I believe is every 8 seconds.

    Totally understand sticking with a theme tho..

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  • pottsey5gpottsey5g Member Posts: 4,251 Arc User
    edited October 2017
    odinforever20000 wrote: »
    pottsey5g wrote: »
    The two missile launchers with command spec so the missiles drain shields per hit.

    Are you sure?.. Under Low Drain numbers the Qphase will do 20k (@about 200 Drain X) to ALL shield facings With torpedo spread ALL AT ONCE.(So..every 15 seconds for TS)..I'd find it hard to believe the Kentari or Ferengi missiles can do anywhere close to that.And their effects are only to 1 shield facing...


    So now im curious. What numbers do you have for Drain and what does the Command Proc show for drain for you?
    pottsey5g wrote: »
    ironmako wrote: »
    odinforever20000 wrote: »
    pottsey5g wrote: »
    The two missile launchers with command spec so the missiles drain shields per hit.

    Tachyon Charges with Command spec still are small potatoes compared to the Q phase torp under torp spread.

    I am sure you are accurate in what you are saying (and I shall certainly be taking your advice on board :) ) but shouldn't the D'kora missiles get some sort of attention to give them a boost?
    When you have a torpedo boat the Qphase torp will drain far more shields then either of the 3 sources of missiles. When you don’t have any projectile doffs or torp buffs and only 1 single torpedo I believe on single exposed targets either of the two missile launchers will drain more shields then Qphase as you will get 4 missiles hits per 1 Q phase hit. The battle computer missiles being the 3rd missile source are always worse then Qphase.

    Then again The Qpahse is AoE and works even if the target is not exposed. There is also the theme missiles fit the D'kora theme better.

    This is a Single Topredo vs 3-4 missle activations comparison under no abilities (except command Pro). In 4 activations the Ferengi missiles (3 for the Kentari) can they do more than 3000 shield drain (with the command Proc @ 200 drain X)?
    The Qphase I believe is every 8 seconds.

    Totally understand sticking with a theme tho..
    Sorry my fault for not being clear. What I was trying to say is 1 missile fitted no torpedo powers, doffs or buffs. If you fit 1 missile to an energy boat without all the other torpedo stuff the energy weapons expose the target and the missiles drain more forward facing shields then a Q phase. Once you start adding in torpedo extras the Qphase quickly start draining far more. Also of note while the missiles will drain more from the enemy shields facing you, the Qphase drains less but hits all sides.

    More than 90% of the time the Qphase works out better. But I think in the case of shuttles or the D'kora I would pick missiles.

    Have you taken a look at the Advanced Piezo Photon mixed with con firepower? That’s a crazy 5km shield drain spam. Shame the D'kora cannot do that :(

  • odinforever20000odinforever20000 Member Posts: 1,849 Arc User
    edited October 2017
    pottsey5g wrote: »
    odinforever20000 wrote: »
    pottsey5g wrote: »
    The two missile launchers with command spec so the missiles drain shields per hit.

    Are you sure?.. Under Low Drain numbers the Qphase will do 20k (@about 200 Drain X) to ALL shield facings With torpedo spread ALL AT ONCE.(So..every 15 seconds for TS)..I'd find it hard to believe the Kentari or Ferengi missiles can do anywhere close to that.And their effects are only to 1 shield facing...


    So now im curious. What numbers do you have for Drain and what does the Command Proc show for drain for you?
    pottsey5g wrote: »
    ironmako wrote: »
    odinforever20000 wrote: »
    pottsey5g wrote: »
    The two missile launchers with command spec so the missiles drain shields per hit.

    Tachyon Charges with Command spec still are small potatoes compared to the Q phase torp under torp spread.

    I am sure you are accurate in what you are saying (and I shall certainly be taking your advice on board :) ) but shouldn't the D'kora missiles get some sort of attention to give them a boost?
    When you have a torpedo boat the Qphase torp will drain far more shields then either of the 3 sources of missiles. When you don’t have any projectile doffs or torp buffs and only 1 single torpedo I believe on single exposed targets either of the two missile launchers will drain more shields then Qphase as you will get 4 missiles hits per 1 Q phase hit. The battle computer missiles being the 3rd missile source are always worse then Qphase.

    Then again The Qpahse is AoE and works even if the target is not exposed. There is also the theme missiles fit the D'kora theme better.

    This is a Single Topredo vs 3-4 missle activations comparison under no abilities (except command Pro). In 4 activations the Ferengi missiles (3 for the Kentari) can they do more than 3000 shield drain (with the command Proc @ 200 drain X)?
    The Qphase I believe is every 8 seconds.

    Totally understand sticking with a theme tho..
    Sorry my fault for not being clear. What I was trying to say is 1 missile fitted no torpedo powers, doffs or buffs. If you fit 1 missile to an energy boat without all the other torpedo stuff the energy weapons expose the target and the missiles drain more forward facing shields then a Q phase. Once you start adding in torpedo extras the Qphase quickly start draining far more. Also of note while the missiles will drain more from the enemy shields facing you, the Qphase drains less but hits all sides.

    More than 90% of the time the Qphase works out better. But I think in the case of shuttles or the D'kora I would pick missiles.

    Have you taken a look at the Advanced Piezo Photon mixed with con firepower? That’s a crazy 5km shield drain spam. Shame the D'kora cannot do that :(

    Hrmm..Im report back on my findings with command spec and the Missiles..I find it interesting they would drain for more..Especially when I pvp..I never see anyone with the missles..But if draining (subsytem or shield) I always see the qphase.

    As for the Adv Piezo..I dont got a sci ship that has assess to command abilities..

    However..For both Adv Piezo weapons...I love the electrical damage..Cuz its boosted by epg.
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