Enterprise is not a prequel to TOS since prequels explain the backstory behind the various characters or universe in the original show, movie, or novel.
Um... it DOES cover universe. Its set in the 22nd Century before the Federation. If Enterprise wasn't cut off when it was, we would have had the established Canon Earth-Romulan War. Not only that, we had some events that tied into "future" things like the fallout from First Contact which set up for the events in TNG's Best of Both Worlds, the reason why Klingons looked the way they did in TOS, and even what happened to USS Defiant after the Interphase thing in an episode of TOS.
So by your definition of prequel... Enterprise covers some backstory of the UNIVERSE of Star Trek from before the birth of the Federation. While it is too far back for character backstory, it still exists in the same universe.
The timeline has changed so much in Enterprise that the universe in TOS is different from the universe in Enterprise. So Enterprise is not a prequel to TOS due to being in different timelines. The first few episodes of TOS doesn't exist in the same universe as Nemesis since every temporal change results in a different universe. Enterprise could be considered as a sequel of First Contact and maybe even a prequel of First Contact for at least a few minutes when the Enterprise-E gets back to the 24th Century.
Not going to get CBS all access so I won't watch. And honestly, I don't watch a lot of TV and my expectations of the show are on the low side so even if it was just on the air, it wouldn't be a guarantee that I would watch it.
Enterprise is not a prequel to TOS since prequels explain the backstory behind the various characters or universe in the original show, movie, or novel.
Um... it DOES cover universe. Its set in the 22nd Century before the Federation. If Enterprise wasn't cut off when it was, we would have had the established Canon Earth-Romulan War. Not only that, we had some events that tied into "future" things like the fallout from First Contact which set up for the events in TNG's Best of Both Worlds, the reason why Klingons looked the way they did in TOS, and even what happened to USS Defiant after the Interphase thing in an episode of TOS.
So by your definition of prequel... Enterprise covers some backstory of the UNIVERSE of Star Trek from before the birth of the Federation. While it is too far back for character backstory, it still exists in the same universe.
The timeline has changed so much in Enterprise that the universe in TOS is different from the universe in Enterprise. So Enterprise is not a prequel to TOS due to being in different timelines. The first few episodes of TOS doesn't exist in the same universe as Nemesis since every temporal change results in a different universe. Enterprise could be considered as a sequel of First Contact and maybe even a prequel of First Contact for at least a few minutes when the Enterprise-E gets back to the 24th Century.
aside from the annoying 70's pop themesong, (which probably contributed more to killing the show by the fourth season than literally anything else), Enterprise was pretty good, hitting up and explaining inconsistencies (how Klingons lost their ridges), and clarifying or cleaning up issues related to timelines we'd already passed in the real world (we didn't have WWIII in the eighties, or the Eugenics war in the nineties IRL, we didn't build pre-warp interstellar colony vessels before t he end of the 20th century, etc etc.)
Well aside from star trekking across the universe in reverse. Star Trek has always been about change, to accept new things even if it puts some of those values into conflict. It's about the Human condition.
I am interested to see what happens to Discovery past season one and the Klingon apperance. it's hardly a sticking point not to watch something. if the Stories are gripping enough and people love it, would it really be so terribad to consider these are the Klingons that are now going to be seen on a regular basis?
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At STLV they claimed that they used a cadre of fans to fact-check their stuff...well, those fans had to be blind to buy off on this, or maybe just fans of some of the actors and flashy special effects.
I agree with your position. Regarding the vetting fan community, surely they must have been huge or even epic JJ Trek fans and likely under the age 15 - just sayin'...
Nonetheless I'll still give it a fair shake much like I did with BSG; which was pretty damn good until the freaky, crazy and craptastic religious based ending but I digress...
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You are right, the sample of this poll is tiny. However when you get ZERO draw from a built in fanbase (or are you saying that people on this forum are not fans of star trek?) of ANY size that breaks statistical minium...yeah...your marketing campaign is a failure. This isn't some abstract conclusion here. And it speaks NOTHING about the show it self. The marketing of the show however is an utter failure. That ain't an opinion. Even YOU by admission are not so hyped by what they have shown off that you are on the will get all access boat. So really, their marketing failed according to even YOU.
Well no, it just means 31 people on some internet forum said "no I won't pay for a sub." It isn't a reflection on the overall marketing of the program due to any number of factors which we have no way of knowing.
In fact, what it says is that 31 people on some internet forum said, "I may or may not spring for a sub, depending on how I feel after watching the pilot on broadcast TV." It's barely even data, much less significant data.
I am interested to see what happens to Discovery past season one and the Klingon apperance. it's hardly a sticking point not to watch something. if the Stories are gripping enough and people love it, would it really be so terribad to consider these are the Klingons that are now going to be seen on a regular basis?
Oh that's cute. You think there will be something past season 1 of this show. There COULD be...but at this point, I would hardly say that it's a given that there will be more.
Maybe? maybe not? Only one way to know if Discovery lasts, wait until March to May next year and find out if CBS renews the deal for another season or check in with viewing figures over the season.
At STLV they claimed that they used a cadre of fans to fact-check their stuff...well, those fans had to be blind to buy off on this, or maybe just fans of some of the actors and flashy special effects.
I agree with your position. Regarding the vetting fan community, surely they must have been huge or even epic JJ Trek fans and likely under the age 15 - just sayin'...
Nonetheless I'll still give it a fair shake much like I did with BSG; which was pretty damn good until the freaky, crazy and craptastic religious based ending but I digress...
I am with you there! After episode 3 it started getting a bit iffy and by the end it was way over the top. I can only put up with so much nonsense in a storyline but rBSG was pretty bad.
I hope Discovery remains true to the Trek format.
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You are right, the sample of this poll is tiny. However when you get ZERO draw from a built in fanbase (or are you saying that people on this forum are not fans of star trek?) of ANY size that breaks statistical minium...yeah...your marketing campaign is a failure. This isn't some abstract conclusion here. And it speaks NOTHING about the show it self. The marketing of the show however is an utter failure. That ain't an opinion. Even YOU by admission are not so hyped by what they have shown off that you are on the will get all access boat. So really, their marketing failed according to even YOU.
Well no, it just means 31 people on some internet forum said "no I won't pay for a sub." It isn't a reflection on the overall marketing of the program due to any number of factors which we have no way of knowing.
In fact, what it says is that 31 people on some internet forum said, "I may or may not spring for a sub, depending on how I feel after watching the pilot on broadcast TV." It's barely even data, much less significant data.
I'd also point out, this is an internet forum for a niche MMO.
There are still a bunch of Trek fans that are basically unaware of this game's (and, thus, this forum's) existence.
I am not going to be as alarmist as Patrickngo about the stylization used for the Star Trek Discovery Klingons.
My feelings about this stems from this quote from Neville Page one of the makeup artists working on designing for the production:
The empire is very big. They don’t all grow up on Kronos. They don’t all live on the same planets and certainly those different planets would have different environments. So how would the cultures have evolved differently?…We tried to come up with cultural axioms for each house so each looks different and they bear a cultural patina like our cultures do here on Earth.
I love the idea there are 24 different houses, all which evolved (with their own adaptations or mutations) to the planet they lived on. There will be Houses that will look more along the lines of what we are used to seeing in a Klingon. Then there will be others that are unfamiliar.
The Klingon civilization is spread across several planets. That points toward having the technology, the communication, the infrastructure....to support a society that is spread out. Commercial, social and governmental organizations....not just military.
And they understand they all have different cultures and ideas and needs and must accommodate for this in their interactions with each other. This is Klingon society, not just Klingon warrior class.
This is going to be interesting.
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I will probably pick up All Access. Sneaky that it will drop weekly there instead of a binge drop. Prevents binge watching during the free trial.
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I liked Enterprise.
I've watched Voyager and Enterprise on Netflix. Started TNG and stopped after three Episodes. There are great Episodes there but that first season is a bit brutal. I will get back to it, but may go to DS9 first.
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You are right, the sample of this poll is tiny. However when you get ZERO draw from a built in fanbase (or are you saying that people on this forum are not fans of star trek?) of ANY size that breaks statistical minium...yeah...your marketing campaign is a failure. This isn't some abstract conclusion here. And it speaks NOTHING about the show it self. The marketing of the show however is an utter failure. That ain't an opinion. Even YOU by admission are not so hyped by what they have shown off that you are on the will get all access boat. So really, their marketing failed according to even YOU.
Well no, it just means 31 people on some internet forum said "no I won't pay for a sub." It isn't a reflection on the overall marketing of the program due to any number of factors which we have no way of knowing.
In fact, what it says is that 31 people on some internet forum said, "I may or may not spring for a sub, depending on how I feel after watching the pilot on broadcast TV." It's barely even data, much less significant data.
^this.^
nobody in their right mind would've thought that 'survivor", "Keeping up with the Kardashians" or the rest of the river of "reality television" pap that flowed out onto our screens in the early 2000's would have had, much less kept, an audience, but they and others of the sort were massively successful even when obviously faked 'conflicts' for dramatic filming was involved ("Orange County Choppers" anyone?)
so it could be CBS is going to hit it out of the park in terms of ratings and subscriptions.
Survivor certainly doesn't live up to its name. If I was to do a show called Survivor, then I would set up a ton of cameras, give every contestant a panic button and some sensor technology to keep track of their vitals, and then leave. Last one to hit the panic button wins. Voting people off, challenges, and immunities certainly doesn't test a person's survivability.
How did they lose their ridges playing with human DNA, then regain them?
Because in Star Trek, genes are a sort of biological Lego. Intelligent species from different planets can easily interbreed, even though humans can't even interbreed with chimpanzees (where the genetic resemblance is over 98%). You can add, subtract, rearrange, even "enhance" them with very little risk.
I'm growing rather fond of the supposition in a couple of your recent stories, in which the Klingons would genetically engineer themselves for reasons ranging from survival in extreme conditions to, basically, fashion. That's only possible with either Lego Genetics or something similar to Varley's Ophiuchi Hotline, though.
The main problem with hybrids is biochemistry. It is not all about DNA. Spock is the product of an iron-based Human and a copper-based Vulcan while we are not sure what Klingon blood is based off of to determine the biochemistry of B'Ellana. Spock needs a completely new suite of biochemistry to function properly. Unless someone like Q was involved in the process to create a natural birth, then Spock was created in a lab.
How did they lose their ridges playing with human DNA, then regain them?
Because in Star Trek, genes are a sort of biological Lego. Intelligent species from different planets can easily interbreed, even though humans can't even interbreed with chimpanzees (where the genetic resemblance is over 98%). You can add, subtract, rearrange, even "enhance" them with very little risk.
I'm growing rather fond of the supposition in a couple of your recent stories, in which the Klingons would genetically engineer themselves for reasons ranging from survival in extreme conditions to, basically, fashion. That's only possible with either Lego Genetics or something similar to Varley's Ophiuchi Hotline, though.
point to consider, Jon, to get B'Lanna Torres, the genetics have to either be super-variable going both ways (because she's human), or the Klingon genetics have to be close enough to human that they're closer than, say, those of a terrestrial ape.
met any half-Chimpanzees lately? (probably not).
for the pairing to work without the deep intevention of a team of medical specialists(aka how both Trip/T'Pol's daughter and Spock were concieved), Klingon DNA has to be just about almost human-possibly to the point of being a subtype OF human. as in so close that it breeds true and there has to be at minimum a common ancestry fairly close to the surface. (maybe as close as coyote/dog or wolf/dog).
that type of pairing doesn't happen if one species is an exothermic type with, say, a cobalt based oxygen carrier in their blood (or silver or lead, both of which are more likely to produce blueish/purple tissues) and the other uses iron based blood (aka humans and pre-Fuller Kligons), which produces red/brown spectrum melanins and is warm-blooded.
IOW there are limits beyond which, suspension of disbelief relies on absolute scientific ignorance, rather than look-at-it-sidewise science fantasy rationalizations (Spock being green blooded falls into this latter category-he exists because of extensive expert rework by doctors...and notably, he's likely sterile due to the extreme, horse/donkey type interbreeding that made him and the notable lack of children with all his romantic pairings-basically his genes aren't stable enough to produce offspring. Torres, on the other hand, COULD and DID interbreed with a human male and produced live and presumably viable offspring...)
point is, there's a limit to how much "Lego stacking" you can do before you're no longer biologically viable without the aid of a team of scientists. Klingons breed the evolutionary way, and they can interbreed with humans. Fuller's Klingons break da suspension of disbelief if they can do that, because of how thoroughly different their biology ends up having to be to have the capabilities Fuller wants them to have, and the human augment DNA only makes this more apparent, since it's not chemically compatible with Brian Fuller's vision when you look at the mechanics. (it's like breeding a man with an orchid.)
In Star Trek, the different alien races can interbreed, because they were all seeded by the Preservers, rather than being true evolutionary lines from their own individual planets. That they were all seeded from the same source, despite their cosmetic differences, that similarity is still encoded which allows for the smooth interbreeding (like B'Elanna, and Ba'el)
Fuller's Klingons, frankly, are a f**king joke, as you've pointed out many a time. In terms of continuity, they don't work with canon, without mental gymnastics: That's a writing fail right there.
The speculation articles seem to suggest that there are various Houses across various worlds, each with evolutionary divergences (natural or artificially manifested, we don't yet know. But as an example, Dylan Hunt's mother was a genetically-modified Heavy Worlder, meaning that he inherited her genes for strength)
If what we've been shown thus far is the result of evolutionary or manifested biology, then they can be divergent from what we know as Klingons, because of that evolutionary or manifested trickery.
But it's a stretch.
It's a bit like in-game. We can use the [bureau de change] exchange to convert dil to zen and back. We can use zen to get items like keys, ship modules etc, which can then be 'converted' through that [stock]exchange into ec. But we can't convert ec into dil or zen. So perhaps (TRIBBLE for even speculating on this butchery of canon) the PureBlood Klingons (such as Kahless) mutated themselves, or were mutated by planetary environments, into T'Kuvma-variant Klingons, who are as biologically distinct from PureBlood Klingons, as they are from say humans or Vulcans or Cardassians.
At the end of the day, they're that way because Fuller and Co thought it was a kewl idea, and Moonves went with the idea, and sadly, that's all the explanation there needs to be as to why: Because they Say So (IMO that's not good enough, but TRIBBLE, that pretty much sums up the entire marketing premise promoting Discovery
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No, Patrick, I haven't run across any half-chimps lately, our president notwithstanding. And if we're going to take a realistic view of genetics, Spock and B'ellana are, quite simply, impossible. They cannot exist. Further, even assuming human and Vulcan sex organs are compatible, an attraction between Sarek and Amanda seems roughly as likely as an attraction between an average human and a silverback gorilla. Whatever Vulcans find attractive in a mate, it seems unlikely that Amanda will exude it - she would feel wrong.
In the event, in the universe we're presented, cross-species hybrids are both not uncommon and produced without medical intervention. Spock is there, B'ellana is there, the young crewman of the Ent-D with one Romulan grandparent is there. It's apparent that biology as we understand it does not apply.
The problem here is that you're arguing as a biologist. As we understand the science, the whole thing indeed makes no sense. However, that doesn't matter. It's as if I argued holodecks based on physics - a hologram is, to simplify enormously, a standing-wave light projection, with no mass, and possesses no tangible existence worth worrying about. Yet in TNG and later series, the holodeck could produce physical objects, up to and including a snowball that could be thrown out through the holodeck door to hit Picard. No, it doesn't make sense. We just let it slide because if we insist on using proper physics, the story goes away. The same applies to realistic biology and evolution in Trek; it gets technobabbled away.
And if this presents you with too much of an issue, please recall that you're analyzing what little we know about these Klingons (and frankly, it's not much) in terms of Terran biology. It may not even apply to their species, just as "reptilian" is only a loose approximation of the biology of the Gorn.
Thats the explanation in trek. It doesn't matter what background you got on the matter, this is a work of fiction and trek is heavy on it from technobabble to warp drives.
All races on the show are related to each other which allows interracial dating and procreation to take place. it's very possible the Kazon are also apart of that DNA chain, because there is a Cardassian-Kazon child out there when Voyager returned home. Also who knows how many other races are out there that are related to each other at a basic level.
In the event, in the universe we're presented, cross-species hybrids are both not uncommon and produced without medical intervention. Spock is there, B'ellana is there, the young crewman of the Ent-D with one Romulan grandparent is there. It's apparent that biology as we understand it does not apply.
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Lots of people here have already seen the show and are able to give us an in-depth analysis of its status as an alternate universe and its critical value considering the amount of posts that contain statements so certain they could only have come from people who've seen the first series or are part of CBS considering the authority with which they speak...
There also needs to be a poll option for:
'I'm personally not going to watch it, but because I'm not a gibbering pillock I'm not going to rant endlessly about how much I hate the writers didn't ring me personally to ask for my opinion on the new Klingon makeup like they did in 1979, I'm just going to quietly let fans of the show and the franchise discus the latest instalment and slip, quietly, away into that good night like nature intended.'.
You know, so they can air their view on the show without showing us all why the stereotype of... special, Star Trek fans exists in the first place.
Oh, and I'll be watching on Netflix. I don't like it, but if it was on TV in England it'd probably be on Sci-Fi or Chanel 4 or another advert side and I'm not prepared to watch any show chopped up with adverts ever. So Streaming is the lesser of two evils here. I'll buy the DVD set (providing it dosn't just skip DVD and go to Blue-ray like bloody TNG-R did ) when it comes out though, providing it's better than VGR (which so far even TOS and ENT are so there's hope).
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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The timeline has changed so much in Enterprise that the universe in TOS is different from the universe in Enterprise. So Enterprise is not a prequel to TOS due to being in different timelines. The first few episodes of TOS doesn't exist in the same universe as Nemesis since every temporal change results in a different universe. Enterprise could be considered as a sequel of First Contact and maybe even a prequel of First Contact for at least a few minutes when the Enterprise-E gets back to the 24th Century.
Well aside from star trekking across the universe in reverse. Star Trek has always been about change, to accept new things even if it puts some of those values into conflict. It's about the Human condition.
I am interested to see what happens to Discovery past season one and the Klingon apperance. it's hardly a sticking point not to watch something. if the Stories are gripping enough and people love it, would it really be so terribad to consider these are the Klingons that are now going to be seen on a regular basis?
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I agree with your position. Regarding the vetting fan community, surely they must have been huge or even epic JJ Trek fans and likely under the age 15 - just sayin'...
Nonetheless I'll still give it a fair shake much like I did with BSG; which was pretty damn good until the freaky, crazy and craptastic religious based ending but I digress...
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Maybe? maybe not? Only one way to know if Discovery lasts, wait until March to May next year and find out if CBS renews the deal for another season or check in with viewing figures over the season.
I am with you there! After episode 3 it started getting a bit iffy and by the end it was way over the top. I can only put up with so much nonsense in a storyline but rBSG was pretty bad.
I hope Discovery remains true to the Trek format.
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I believe the word you're looking for is "stealing."
I'd also point out, this is an internet forum for a niche MMO.
There are still a bunch of Trek fans that are basically unaware of this game's (and, thus, this forum's) existence.
NOTE: you may not wish to read this article since it may spoil something for you.
https://trekmovie.com/2017/08/03/stlv17-designers-explain-why-star-trek-discovery-klingons-are-bald-and-more/
https://trekmovie.com/2017/09/02/star-trek-discovery-analysis-everything-we-know-about-tkuvma-and-the-klingons/
I am not going to be as alarmist as Patrickngo about the stylization used for the Star Trek Discovery Klingons.
My feelings about this stems from this quote from Neville Page one of the makeup artists working on designing for the production:
I love the idea there are 24 different houses, all which evolved (with their own adaptations or mutations) to the planet they lived on. There will be Houses that will look more along the lines of what we are used to seeing in a Klingon. Then there will be others that are unfamiliar.
The Klingon civilization is spread across several planets. That points toward having the technology, the communication, the infrastructure....to support a society that is spread out. Commercial, social and governmental organizations....not just military.
And they understand they all have different cultures and ideas and needs and must accommodate for this in their interactions with each other. This is Klingon society, not just Klingon warrior class.
This is going to be interesting.
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I will probably pick up All Access. Sneaky that it will drop weekly there instead of a binge drop. Prevents binge watching during the free trial.
Disney is pulling Star Wars and Marvel Movies from Netflix as they (too) are going to start their own digital streaming service in 2019.
I liked Enterprise.
I've watched Voyager and Enterprise on Netflix. Started TNG and stopped after three Episodes. There are great Episodes there but that first season is a bit brutal. I will get back to it, but may go to DS9 first.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Survivor certainly doesn't live up to its name. If I was to do a show called Survivor, then I would set up a ton of cameras, give every contestant a panic button and some sensor technology to keep track of their vitals, and then leave. Last one to hit the panic button wins. Voting people off, challenges, and immunities certainly doesn't test a person's survivability.
Because in Star Trek, genes are a sort of biological Lego. Intelligent species from different planets can easily interbreed, even though humans can't even interbreed with chimpanzees (where the genetic resemblance is over 98%). You can add, subtract, rearrange, even "enhance" them with very little risk.
I'm growing rather fond of the supposition in a couple of your recent stories, in which the Klingons would genetically engineer themselves for reasons ranging from survival in extreme conditions to, basically, fashion. That's only possible with either Lego Genetics or something similar to Varley's Ophiuchi Hotline, though.
Fuller's Klingons, frankly, are a f**king joke, as you've pointed out many a time. In terms of continuity, they don't work with canon, without mental gymnastics: That's a writing fail right there.
The speculation articles seem to suggest that there are various Houses across various worlds, each with evolutionary divergences (natural or artificially manifested, we don't yet know. But as an example, Dylan Hunt's mother was a genetically-modified Heavy Worlder, meaning that he inherited her genes for strength)
If what we've been shown thus far is the result of evolutionary or manifested biology, then they can be divergent from what we know as Klingons, because of that evolutionary or manifested trickery.
But it's a stretch.
It's a bit like in-game. We can use the [bureau de change] exchange to convert dil to zen and back. We can use zen to get items like keys, ship modules etc, which can then be 'converted' through that [stock]exchange into ec. But we can't convert ec into dil or zen. So perhaps (TRIBBLE for even speculating on this butchery of canon) the PureBlood Klingons (such as Kahless) mutated themselves, or were mutated by planetary environments, into T'Kuvma-variant Klingons, who are as biologically distinct from PureBlood Klingons, as they are from say humans or Vulcans or Cardassians.
At the end of the day, they're that way because Fuller and Co thought it was a kewl idea, and Moonves went with the idea, and sadly, that's all the explanation there needs to be as to why: Because they Say So (IMO that's not good enough, but TRIBBLE, that pretty much sums up the entire marketing premise promoting Discovery
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In the event, in the universe we're presented, cross-species hybrids are both not uncommon and produced without medical intervention. Spock is there, B'ellana is there, the young crewman of the Ent-D with one Romulan grandparent is there. It's apparent that biology as we understand it does not apply.
The problem here is that you're arguing as a biologist. As we understand the science, the whole thing indeed makes no sense. However, that doesn't matter. It's as if I argued holodecks based on physics - a hologram is, to simplify enormously, a standing-wave light projection, with no mass, and possesses no tangible existence worth worrying about. Yet in TNG and later series, the holodeck could produce physical objects, up to and including a snowball that could be thrown out through the holodeck door to hit Picard. No, it doesn't make sense. We just let it slide because if we insist on using proper physics, the story goes away. The same applies to realistic biology and evolution in Trek; it gets technobabbled away.
And if this presents you with too much of an issue, please recall that you're analyzing what little we know about these Klingons (and frankly, it's not much) in terms of Terran biology. It may not even apply to their species, just as "reptilian" is only a loose approximation of the biology of the Gorn.
Thats the explanation in trek. It doesn't matter what background you got on the matter, this is a work of fiction and trek is heavy on it from technobabble to warp drives.
All races on the show are related to each other which allows interracial dating and procreation to take place. it's very possible the Kazon are also apart of that DNA chain, because there is a Cardassian-Kazon child out there when Voyager returned home. Also who knows how many other races are out there that are related to each other at a basic level.
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Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
Or possibly judgemental, hyperactive, preemptive, change resistant, gun-jumping, pale-skinned, self-destructive, whining fanbois.
It could be either one to be honest
There also needs to be a poll option for:
'I'm personally not going to watch it, but because I'm not a gibbering pillock I'm not going to rant endlessly about how much I hate the writers didn't ring me personally to ask for my opinion on the new Klingon makeup like they did in 1979, I'm just going to quietly let fans of the show and the franchise discus the latest instalment and slip, quietly, away into that good night like nature intended.'.
You know, so they can air their view on the show without showing us all why the stereotype of... special, Star Trek fans exists in the first place.
Oh, and I'll be watching on Netflix. I don't like it, but if it was on TV in England it'd probably be on Sci-Fi or Chanel 4 or another advert side and I'm not prepared to watch any show chopped up with adverts ever. So Streaming is the lesser of two evils here. I'll buy the DVD set (providing it dosn't just skip DVD and go to Blue-ray like bloody TNG-R did
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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