KDF recruitment event!

lexusk19 · August 2017

Give me a reason to make a KDF Cryptic, KDF recruit event with some story for them would go a long ways in helping to build up that faction. Ill buy zen if you do? :P

irm1963 · August 2017

I'd welcome more reasons to roll KDF, but why do "you" need a reason beyond "because I want to" ? How many folk would bother continuing with it if it was only for some delta/temporal type rewards once they'd completed that ? Which kinda defeats the purpose.

jonsills · August 2017

While a KDF recruitment event might be fun, I think the only "reason" you need for rolling a Klink toon is the fact that your experience for the first twenty levels or so is different. (I'm still wondering at these folks at Drozana Station in the 23rd century who don't seem to recognize what my Klingon toon is - even though he's got a 23rd-century appearance and uniform...)

ussvaliant · August 2017

KDF Recruitment Event that's crazy talk, just like those of us that talk about a T6 Vor'cha. They'll have you committed shortly if you keep up this type of talk.

On a side note unless we have a change of Lead Dev or the nice Mr Salami-Inferno gives the "word", a KDF Recruitment Event is very unlikely as it means having to make content for it and a certain Lead Dev has made his feelings pretty clear in the past regarding the Red Team.

jaguarskx · August 2017

I don't need a reason. I already have 4 KDF characters on my primary account (11 characters) and 1 KDF character on my secondary account (3 characters).

Would I create another KDF character if there was a recruitment event? Sure, but I will not likely play them beyond the tutorial missions for quite some time as I already have my hands full with limited time to play.

kodachikuno · August 2017

irm1963 wrote: »

I'd welcome more reasons to roll KDF, but why do "you" need a reason beyond "because I want to" ? How many folk would bother continuing with it if it was only for some delta/temporal type rewards once they'd completed that ? Which kinda defeats the purpose.

^this

now Im all for a recruit event for kdf and rom but imo it shouldnt/doesnt need to be one that hands out delta/temporal level goodies otherwise all you get is a bunch of level and delete characters and nothing changes long term

warpangel · August 2017

Meh, I'm not looking to be railroaded into creating yet another meaningless alt to grind events on.

disqord · August 2017

I don't think that forcing people to play KDF for Delta rewards would actually make it more popular.
People don't like to play the KDF for various reasons. /Not/ being forced into it is not one of them.

goodscotch · August 2017

Two reasons to play KDF...Blood Wine and Gagh. Hoping to see Bregit Lung, Pipius Claw and Warnog in a future update.

brian334 · August 2017

I came to STO to play a Romulan, but discovering there were none at the time, I went Klingon.

When LoR came about I rolled some Roms, but I kept going back to Klink. KDF is just fun: not only the starter quest, but everything about playing Klingon.

And for the feddie bears who cry about how hard the game is: do Elites with a Hegh'ta BoP.

taylor1701d · September 2017

Not a bad idea OP.

I had hoped we'd get a FED/Klingon Officer Exchange Recruitment event.. Like the episode where Riker serves on board a Klingon ship in TNG - "A Matter of Honor"

So basically if you chose a Klingon/KDF species you'd play the Fed arc with federation ships until 50.
And vice versa, if you chose a Fed species, you'd play the KDF arc and with Klingon ships until 50.
(Or at least until the main FED/KDF arcs have concluded. And the Episode chains for all factions merge.)

At the end of the officer exchange, you'd be rewarded with a Bird of Prey T5 from the Klingon High Command (if Fed). And a Galaxy T5 if Klingon/KDF. Basically as a "thank you" for your cross faction service (and saving the day of course).
Maybe a handful of cross faction admiralty cards could be rewarded as well from the faction you did the exchange with.

So Fed who served with KDF would get a few Epic KDF Admiralty cards, and KDF who served with the FED get some Epic Fed Admiralty cards.

Eh.. probably way to complicated to code.. But it would be super cool.

Or at the very least maybe they could make a short Episode/Story arc that focuses on the Fed/KDF Officer Exchange program as seen in TNG.. Klingon Lore and tradition could get some much needed love in game this way.

Just ideas here...

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alcyoneserene · September 2017

Already have 2 plain KDFs, one Tac main, one Sci support-main. My motivation to make KDF was to gain access to the Qib & Raptor part of the pack (same for Roms: Faeht & Aelahl), which led to discovering how fun Birds of Prey can be (and how Romulans rule), and how to stand apart from the mainstream feds.

I've not finished my AoY toon for all the account unlocks and have no plan on doing so in a game that sadly is on fast track to a ghost town - I play it for the multiplayer end game content, which there is so little of, not for single player scripted maps I've done a million times over and that aren't a proper challenge because 'think of the children.'

KDF should just receive more C-Store goods and faction-unique stuff (as for Roms) so whoever already plays KDF or wants to play it can do so cause they enjoy the faction and not because of being bribed out of their federation momentarily.

brian334 wrote: »

And for the feddie bears who cry about how hard the game is: do Elites with a Hegh'ta BoP.

That was a blast and one of my best moments in STO.

where2r1 · September 2017

Yeah, I am about ready gonna airlock my last recruit (TOS) without having collected all the unlocks. Grind down all her DOFFs to throw in the Colony when it comes.

I did what I wanted with it: took a look at their tutorial and unique mission or two. Time travel = meh.

I am more interested in the new story: Tzenkethi and the crystals...if they ever get back to that. Martok was a nice diversion...but, now, he just sneers at me creepily from the loading screen.

OH...and will be making a Lethean with her slot down the road. No recruitment necessary.

lexusk19 · September 2017

You people are unbelievable.. You cry and complain about a lack of KDF content, I ask for KDF content to bring in more players and interest and you all say you dont need it... Much confuse, very wishy washy, wow.

jrdobbsjr · September 2017

They ought to do AoY questlines for the Romulans and KDF.....some 23rd century time for them would be fun. there'd be a lot of changes for a Romulan to handle, not to mention the KDF.

ussvaliant · September 2017

patrickngo wrote: »

what you're maybe not understanding, being newer here, is that Cryptic went through all sorts of hoops in hopes of never making KDF content again.

they're content enough making cross faction content (so long as it's Federation-biased), but not KDF.

why?

in 2012 when the sum total of "KDF content" was two mission strings ("The House Always Wins" and "The Fek'Ihri Return", both dating to 2011 or earlier) the god-emperor lead developer Al "Captaingeko" rivera pronounced the KDF playerbase to be "Unprofitable"-this announcement came about after the most expensive (at that time) ship bundle, the Bortasque, failed to sell.

Said ship bundle was very expensive, riddled with bugs, and had up to that point the worst stats of any ship at Tier 5 (which was 'endgame') in the game.

we're not profitable. this heralded a two year period where KDF got nothing but a couple of booby prize mirror ships, a Veteran (lifetime subscriber) Destroyer, and a whole lot of "you're not the majority/we don't want you here" on the forums and from the Lead Developer.

Meanwhile, abilities and unit types KDF had as part of the launch package were (and still are) being adapted and reskinned to Federation unit types, often with better stats, and the only limitation on this being that CBS was reluctant to buy off on giving Federation characters battlecloak.

Comes "Legacy of Romulus" and a couple devs (notably NOT the Lead dev, or anyone who can authorize payment for work) sneak in the 1-20 mission string and make KDF a full faction.

they did this on unpaid time, that is, their vanishingly scarce free time. a few months later, Cryptic announces "The Federation/Klingon war is over!!", PvP queues shift to RvB pattern (after a short test of the new queue mechanic known as "Shuttle PvP" or "Smallcraft Arena" which, while grossly unbalanced and mildly unplayable, proved the tech necessary to convert the then-working factional queues to cross-faction).. Geko heralds this on Priority One Podcast as "we aren't forced to do faction specific content again..."

as if he'd been doing it in the first place for the last three years before he made that announcement.

Step forward again, Delta Rising Operations Pack, two KDF ships with intel seating, neither which released with a working trait, vs. five Federation ships, all of which worked exactly as advertised, with traits designed to work together, only one of the KDF releases was a full-spec ship, (a cruiser with some niche abilities that also didn't adn don't work particularly well). Basically pushing KDF out of the one niche it had a slight advantage in (pvp) on pure strength of gear alone.

advance further, KDF players organize a KDF event, it builds traction, Cryptic debuts the Delta Recruit event-which has more rewards if you make a...Federation character, since there are more mission strings and thus, more missions available. Maxing it would require making one character of each, but with identical rewards, that's only for the token boxes.

with the exception of hte Kor (which is a bird of prey while the Defiant is an escort) every ship release since Delta rising that KDF has gotten, has been either a carbon copy, or a gimped carbon copy, of a Federation ship released at the same time.

Agents of Yesterday appears, and this time, it's not even a token KDF ship-they make "Cross faction" ships (three of them) that default automatically to "USS" name and registry, because the Klingon Empire doesn't even exist in the 31st century of the timeline every character in the game is devoted to protecting.

Geko has, over the last seven years, done a very fine job of explicitly telling KDF players that they don't matter, and aren't really wanted here.

you know the Summer event this year, and having forty plus instances open with around thirty to fifty people in them? that used to be Qo'noS on a weeknight in 2012.

Passive-aggressive neglect, and better games on the horizon called, and most of the dedicated players KDF had even as late as 2015 have gone, and not a whole lot came in to replace them.

and why would they? the promise of seconds? of getting crumbs from the table? a token effort for a faction that carries bugs dating back to release day, and other bugs left unresolved not for weeks, or for months, but for years? the chance to be pimpslapped by a Fed NPC over a point of Federation law in what's suppose to be a 'joint operation'?

how about getting to do exactly the same thing, with exactly the same dialogue for exactly the same reasons you just did it on your Fed??

simply put, it's not going to happen. There won't be a KDF recruit event, there likely won't be anything but another Federation Recruit event like AoY. Cryptic's team lead doesn't want the smaller factions to gain fanbase, because if they did that, he'd have to reconfigure his priorities and try to figure out how to sell things to them-when he clearly hasn't a bloody clue (as proven with the Bortasque).

simply put, KDF players aren't the profitable ones, we're an 'also there' too ingrained into the game's structure to delete the way they deleted exploration clusters. Geko doesn't want us here.

Maybe we need a new Lead with a new perspective to take the game forward, someone who see's Star Trek is more than just the Blue side, TNG and DS9 fleshed out the Klingons quite well, They gave us a good insight into the Cardassians, and to a lesser extent the Romulans and Dominion

nightken · September 2017

ussvaliant#6064 wrote: »

patrickngo wrote: »

what you're maybe not understanding, being newer here, is that Cryptic went through all sorts of hoops in hopes of never making KDF content again.

they're content enough making cross faction content (so long as it's Federation-biased), but not KDF.

why?

in 2012 when the sum total of "KDF content" was two mission strings ("The House Always Wins" and "The Fek'Ihri Return", both dating to 2011 or earlier) the god-emperor lead developer Al "Captaingeko" rivera pronounced the KDF playerbase to be "Unprofitable"-this announcement came about after the most expensive (at that time) ship bundle, the Bortasque, failed to sell.

Said ship bundle was very expensive, riddled with bugs, and had up to that point the worst stats of any ship at Tier 5 (which was 'endgame') in the game.

we're not profitable. this heralded a two year period where KDF got nothing but a couple of booby prize mirror ships, a Veteran (lifetime subscriber) Destroyer, and a whole lot of "you're not the majority/we don't want you here" on the forums and from the Lead Developer.

Meanwhile, abilities and unit types KDF had as part of the launch package were (and still are) being adapted and reskinned to Federation unit types, often with better stats, and the only limitation on this being that CBS was reluctant to buy off on giving Federation characters battlecloak.

Comes "Legacy of Romulus" and a couple devs (notably NOT the Lead dev, or anyone who can authorize payment for work) sneak in the 1-20 mission string and make KDF a full faction.

they did this on unpaid time, that is, their vanishingly scarce free time. a few months later, Cryptic announces "The Federation/Klingon war is over!!", PvP queues shift to RvB pattern (after a short test of the new queue mechanic known as "Shuttle PvP" or "Smallcraft Arena" which, while grossly unbalanced and mildly unplayable, proved the tech necessary to convert the then-working factional queues to cross-faction).. Geko heralds this on Priority One Podcast as "we aren't forced to do faction specific content again..."

as if he'd been doing it in the first place for the last three years before he made that announcement.

Step forward again, Delta Rising Operations Pack, two KDF ships with intel seating, neither which released with a working trait, vs. five Federation ships, all of which worked exactly as advertised, with traits designed to work together, only one of the KDF releases was a full-spec ship, (a cruiser with some niche abilities that also didn't adn don't work particularly well). Basically pushing KDF out of the one niche it had a slight advantage in (pvp) on pure strength of gear alone.

advance further, KDF players organize a KDF event, it builds traction, Cryptic debuts the Delta Recruit event-which has more rewards if you make a...Federation character, since there are more mission strings and thus, more missions available. Maxing it would require making one character of each, but with identical rewards, that's only for the token boxes.

with the exception of hte Kor (which is a bird of prey while the Defiant is an escort) every ship release since Delta rising that KDF has gotten, has been either a carbon copy, or a gimped carbon copy, of a Federation ship released at the same time.

Agents of Yesterday appears, and this time, it's not even a token KDF ship-they make "Cross faction" ships (three of them) that default automatically to "USS" name and registry, because the Klingon Empire doesn't even exist in the 31st century of the timeline every character in the game is devoted to protecting.

Geko has, over the last seven years, done a very fine job of explicitly telling KDF players that they don't matter, and aren't really wanted here.

you know the Summer event this year, and having forty plus instances open with around thirty to fifty people in them? that used to be Qo'noS on a weeknight in 2012.

Passive-aggressive neglect, and better games on the horizon called, and most of the dedicated players KDF had even as late as 2015 have gone, and not a whole lot came in to replace them.

and why would they? the promise of seconds? of getting crumbs from the table? a token effort for a faction that carries bugs dating back to release day, and other bugs left unresolved not for weeks, or for months, but for years? the chance to be pimpslapped by a Fed NPC over a point of Federation law in what's suppose to be a 'joint operation'?

how about getting to do exactly the same thing, with exactly the same dialogue for exactly the same reasons you just did it on your Fed??

simply put, it's not going to happen. There won't be a KDF recruit event, there likely won't be anything but another Federation Recruit event like AoY. Cryptic's team lead doesn't want the smaller factions to gain fanbase, because if they did that, he'd have to reconfigure his priorities and try to figure out how to sell things to them-when he clearly hasn't a bloody clue (as proven with the Bortasque).

simply put, KDF players aren't the profitable ones, we're an 'also there' too ingrained into the game's structure to delete the way they deleted exploration clusters. Geko doesn't want us here.

Maybe we need a new Lead with a new perspective to take the game forward, someone who see's Star Trek is more than just the Blue side, TNG and DS9 fleshed out the Klingons quite well, They gave us a good insight into the Cardassians, and to a lesser extent the Romulans and Dominion

I'm pretty sure we'll get a new sto set in the 31st century before we get a new lead.

kodachikuno · September 2017

patrickngo wrote: »

snip

you forgot the 'KDF is monster play' when someone asked the geck about adding that to STO

nightken wrote: »

I'm pretty sure we'll get a new sto set in the 31st century before we get a new lead.

Im pretty sure the sun will go nova before they get rid of him

warpangel · September 2017

The Fed-klingon war was over in practice long before the official announcement.

Everywhere except the forums, where the KDF fanboys still pretend it's on even after being called the Alliance for years.

warpangel · September 2017

somtaawkhar wrote: »

ussvaliant#6064 wrote: »

Maybe we need a new Lead with a new perspective to take the game forward, someone who see's Star Trek is more than just the Blue side, TNG and DS9 fleshed out the Klingons quite well, They gave us a good insight into the Cardassians, and to a lesser extent the Romulans and Dominion

Changing the lead isn't going to change the fact that Klingons, despite their developments in TNG and DS9, don't have a lot of lore to work on, and STO has already covered/referenced most of it.

The only thing they really have left to do is a Hur'q story arc, but that won't be viable until we reach the Gamma Quadrant.

This also ignores the fact that the Klingons have as many unique missions as the FEDs, and only slightly less then the Roms, and the Klingons and Romulans have been basically running the show during and since the Iconian War.

Right. The only "Federation bias" in the storyline exists in the minds of the few people who pine after an inter-faction war that's long over and done with.

The only real bias is in the number of ships available.

duncanidaho11 · September 2017

warpangel wrote: »

The only real bias is in the number of ships available.

And that's down to economics (what do Star Trek fans want to spend their money on.) That said, multi-faction c-store releases have pretty much become the norm. While Cryptic isn't likely to release stand-alone KDF ships to close the gap, it's proportionally becoming less significant over time.

Where I'd say the biggest functional gap is in the Foundry. There are far fewer KDF missions and a smaller KDF Foundry audience.

KDF recruitment event!

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