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  • aurigas7aurigas7 Member Posts: 488 Arc User
    Well, I don't have a problem with Fed battlecruisers. My headcanon just screams at me: they did it wrong ! The Prometheus was a tac cruiser, able to split into escorts. Released as a bloody escort. The Kumari was a battlecruiser. Released as a bloody escort.

    The Kumari would have been perfect as the Fed battlecruiser: it's canon, and it doesn't interfere with Starfleet design principles.

    And then comet the Avenger. Introducing 5 forward weapons to a ship class which should have it by default. Of course a Fed ship. Klingon designers couldn't possibly understand why a ship class designed for frontal assault would benefit from concentrated firepower in the forward arc.

    I check the forums/news from time to time to see if a T6 Vor'cha is released. Of course only to confirm it will be a crappy 4/4.
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  • potasssiumpotasssium Member Posts: 1,226 Arc User
    aurigas7 wrote: »
    Well, I don't have a problem with Fed battlecruisers. My headcanon just screams at me: they did it wrong ! The Prometheus was a tac cruiser, able to split into escorts. Released as a bloody escort. The Kumari was a battlecruiser. Released as a bloody escort.

    The Kumari would have been perfect as the Fed battlecruiser: it's canon, and it doesn't interfere with Starfleet design principles.

    I think you have a good point there, although I think the Prometheus (my fav fed escort) should have been a destroyer along with the Akira.
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  • lordmalak1lordmalak1 Member Posts: 4,681 Arc User
    sigh, a T6 Vorcha is only a placebo compared with how good a T6 Kamarag could be.
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  • potasssiumpotasssium Member Posts: 1,226 Arc User
    T6 Kamarag would certainly be a boon appearance wise.

    Performance wise I've found the Vor'cha slightly more effective.

    Kamarag would definitely have a Ltc Sci, which is a big thing for me. So if Vor'cha had at least a LtC universal, I could be happy with either.
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  • lordmalak1lordmalak1 Member Posts: 4,681 Arc User
    potasssium wrote: »
    T6 Kamarag would certainly be a boon appearance wise.

    Performance wise I've found the Vor'cha slightly more effective.

    Kamarag would definitely have a Ltc Sci, which is a big thing for me. So if Vor'cha had at least a LtC universal, I could be happy with either.

    Kammy was always more of a SCI ship than a TAC ship (Vorcha), and my TAC captains appreciated the fact it could heal itself, while playing with their prey instead of the typical TAC instavape. I've been out of the game for 18 months or so, so I don't know if I can resurrect the effectiveness of my Kamarag's with the rebalance and skill rebake. It was rough in adv STF's running vanilla gear @ T5 level, so maybe a T6 with some LtCdr intel ability would help bring it into mainstream use.

    It's still one of the most fun to play ships in the game.
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  • potasssiumpotasssium Member Posts: 1,226 Arc User
    lordmalak1 wrote: »
    potasssium wrote: »
    T6 Kamarag would certainly be a boon appearance wise.

    Performance wise I've found the Vor'cha slightly more effective.

    Kamarag would definitely have a Ltc Sci, which is a big thing for me. So if Vor'cha had at least a LtC universal, I could be happy with either.

    Kammy was always more of a SCI ship than a TAC ship (Vorcha), and my TAC captains appreciated the fact it could heal itself, while playing with their prey instead of the typical TAC instavape. I've been out of the game for 18 months or so, so I don't know if I can resurrect the effectiveness of my Kamarag's with the rebalance and skill rebake. It was rough in adv STF's running vanilla gear @ T5 level, so maybe a T6 with some LtCdr intel ability would help bring it into mainstream use.

    It's still one of the most fun to play ships in the game.

    Absolutely, my Federation cruiser of choice is still my T5u Fleet Ambassador. My AoY is using a t5 MU Heavy Cruiser, which also has the LTC Sci setup.

    If you were running beams, the Kobali Cruiser is suitable in terms of everything except hull appearance. I just can't fly non-federal ships on my 3 feds, or Rom ships on my 3 Romulans/Remans, but my 7 KDF are entitled to their spoils of war and trophies.

    I do have a T5u Fleet Kamarag and she is a lovely ship.

    Just never cared for the Negh'var, even in the show. Kurak/Mogh is good, but the Kamarag, D7, and Vor'cha is where it is at.

    The Battlecruiser for my main is a T5u Fleet Tor'kaht.
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  • goodscotchgoodscotch Member Posts: 1,680 Arc User
    Posting on this thread again rather than open up a new one. In support of the OP's observation...NO T6 VOR'CHA! Hoping this is the magical season in which the absence of this ship is corrected.
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  • terlokiterloki Member Posts: 287 Arc User
    edited August 2017
    Having played since before the Avenger was a thing, what rustles my jimmies isn't so much Feds having battlecruisers. The Avenger is a fun ship to me, but in my mind it's still the only Fed battlecruiser because it's the only one that can really move to take advantage of it, the Geneva/Concorde/Presidio are just fat flight-deck cruisers that can mount dual cannons (or weaker DC-toting Odysseys that get a hangar, take your pick), and the Eclipse is a goth Constellation that I hardly ever see around (in fact it's the ONLY intel ship I didn't get).

    No, here are the things that get me:

    1: The KDF finally has a true Klingon science vessel! And it looks cool! But it can't mount dual cannons. I know I know, why should a science ship mount DCs? Well it's a KLINGON science ship for one thing. This is just a personal thing for me, but in my mind Feds use beams, Klingons use cannons. There are a few exceptions, but that's my head-canon. And why would any self-respecting Klingon go into battle without the weapon with the biggest bang for you buck? Besides, the warbird can mount them, so it's only fair.

    2: Also on the Naj'sov, we had a golden opportunity to give the Klingons and Romulans the one thing that the Federation had in the cloak race that they didn't. We could have gotten some kind of cloak detector. Maybe not a full-on tachyon grid, but a buffed version of the tier 4 Nebula's console at least. Heck, all three ships even have the AWACS pod on the back! But nope, Feds are still the best at sniffing out and countering ambushes.

    3: The poor neglected Vo'Quv (which can also mount DCs!). First carrier in the game, the only ship that can launch BoPs (and look badass doing it), a whale of a ship that was pretty much the only choice for sci captains back in the day if you didn't want a glass cannon or a Varanus. Again, we had a wasted opportunity. Now I think it's great that they had the contest to help plan out the Jupiter, but why release it solo? The Romulans don't have a purely Romulan carrier (or even a faction specific one), at least not a two-hangar pure carrier, plus the Vo'Quv desperately needs some love.

    4: All of the KDF command battlecruisers are butt-ugly. That's not really a gameplay complaint or anything, but in a world where I use a Deihu as my Romulan flagship in lieu of the Scimitar (because raisins) and the Feds get beautiful ships like the Corcorde, why the hell are all three KDF battlecruisers from that line variations on the theme "fat ugly brick", especially when ships like the Bortasqu' and Mogh prove they can do so much better? I don't care how they play, and I would love a cruiser for my Klingon General with a hangar, but those things are as much an aesthetic assault as a literal one. Seriously, the Ty'Gokor looks like a TRIBBLE with warp engines.

    Hopefully the coming of the tier-6 Vor'cha will give an opportunity to get some under-loved ships some attention regardless of faction, but until then I'll keep flying my Naj'sov, Gorkon, and K'maj on my KDF main.
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  • goodscotchgoodscotch Member Posts: 1,680 Arc User
    The Kamarag should be converted to a T6 Science variant. The Empire extends the useful life of an aging ship.
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  • where2r1where2r1 Member Posts: 6,054 Arc User
    OOOoooo I would go for a T-6 Kamarag.

    I soooo loved the Anniversary T-5 version on my Eng....which they still have not released to KDF, so I can not check it out on my Tac and Sci characters ::::pout::::
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  • slifox#0768 slifox Member Posts: 379 Arc User
    Holy....so the Defient (sorry spelling, blame beer & iOS) is a Federation warship. I believe the Prometheus is a long range tactical ship? Trying to reference from the shows. Why wouldn't the Federation have a battlecruiser. Was it Wrath of Kahn that the Klingon said the Enterprise-A was a battlecruiser? No matter though and you shouldn't be irritated. This game is far from cannon.
  • vorwodavorwoda Member Posts: 694 Arc User
    Was it Wrath of Kahn that the Klingon said the Enterprise-A was a battlecruiser?

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  • redvengeredvenge Member Posts: 1,425 Arc User
    terloki wrote: »
    3: The poor neglected Vo'Quv (which can also mount DCs!). First carrier in the game, the only ship that can launch BoPs (and look badass doing it), a whale of a ship that was pretty much the only choice for sci captains back in the day if you didn't want a glass cannon or a Varanus. Again, we had a wasted opportunity. Now I think it's great that they had the contest to help plan out the Jupiter, but why release it solo? The Romulans don't have a purely Romulan carrier (or even a faction specific one), at least not a two-hangar pure carrier, plus the Vo'Quv desperately needs some love.
    A T6 Vo'quv is going to have a tough time unseating the Durgath for the position of uber-carrier. Might be nice to have something in the C-store though.

    Romulans have the T'laru and the Valkis uber-carrier. They have better carrier options than the KDF right now. Again, it might be nice to have something in the C-store.
  • vorwodavorwoda Member Posts: 694 Arc User
    redvenge wrote: »
    terloki wrote: »
    3: The poor neglected Vo'Quv (which can also mount DCs!). First carrier in the game, the only ship that can launch BoPs (and look badass doing it), a whale of a ship that was pretty much the only choice for sci captains back in the day if you didn't want a glass cannon or a Varanus. Again, we had a wasted opportunity. Now I think it's great that they had the contest to help plan out the Jupiter, but why release it solo? The Romulans don't have a purely Romulan carrier (or even a faction specific one), at least not a two-hangar pure carrier, plus the Vo'Quv desperately needs some love.
    A T6 Vo'quv is going to have a tough time unseating the Durgath for the position of uber-carrier. Might be nice to have something in the C-store though.

    Romulans have the T'laru and the Valkis uber-carrier. They have better carrier options than the KDF right now. Again, it might be nice to have something in the C-store.

    It'd be nice to have ANYTHING new added to the C-store. Right now, for ship buyers, the only value Zen has is to buy keys for bloody lockbox gamble ships. Ugh!
  • jaguarskxjaguarskx Member Posts: 5,945 Arc User
    I dunno... if Feds aren't allowed to have "battlecruisers", then I would say that there should be no carriers at all in the game. As far as I am aware, there are no Fed, KDF of Romulan carriers Star Trek. However, I should point out that I stopped watching Voyager after season 3 or 4 and I stopped watching Enterprise in the middle of the 1st season.

    Novels are not hard canon to any carriers mentioned in them are not considered canon. Unless of course CBS / Paramount actually have stated that novels are actually canon in the Star Trek universe.
  • tom61stotom61sto Member Posts: 3,635 Arc User
    jaguarskx wrote: »
    I dunno... if Feds aren't allowed to have "battlecruisers", then I would say that there should be no carriers at all in the game. As far as I am aware, there are no Fed, KDF of Romulan carriers Star Trek. However, I should point out that I stopped watching Voyager after season 3 or 4 and I stopped watching Enterprise in the middle of the 1st season.

    Novels are not hard canon to any carriers mentioned in them are not considered canon. Unless of course CBS / Paramount actually have stated that novels are actually canon in the Star Trek universe.

    Enterprise has two possible examples:
    The most obvious being the Xindi-Aquatic vessel which actually berthed the entire Enterprise NX-01 inside to transport it, as the Xindi had a faster form of FTL than Earth's warp speed capabilities of that time period. Xindi are part of the Federation in STO's timeline. It's never shown launching anything other than the NX-01, but it's hard to think of other reasons to have a bay that large during that time period.

    The second only appears in display, shown backwards to the audience as it was 'holographic', which was Daniels' future database of ships. One of the ships is Vulcan ship called 'Retrofitted Dorsal Carrier' (Memory Alpha link) that was going to be in service in 3125. Very pretty looking, at least the wireframe of it, with three 'warp rings'.

    Still kinda arguable for both of them. As while the Xindi-Aquatic were also fielding smaller ships that are in-game as Moblai-frigates (the default hangars Narcine and Briostrys Carriers, which are decendants of the ship seen in Enterprise) during an earlier fight, it was never shown launching them. The Vulcan ship is still in STO's future. Though I think someone identified from the multi-layer scrolling effect that the orginal ship-frame that was 'retrofitted' into that ship was supposed to be in service during STO's timeperiod, but I can't find that info back.

    STO's first carrier was the Vo'Quv, which they seemed to have painted as a new innovation in bringing firepower to the field, at least for the KDF. Memory Beta link. Archived STO page for the Vo'Quv link.
  • vorwodavorwoda Member Posts: 694 Arc User
    Carriers in Trek have roots in Star Fleet Battles (though, of course, that game is DEFINITELY not canon).

    Theoretically, though, even the original Constitution class in TOS could have functioned as a carrier, if they'd been callous enough to deploy their 6 Type F shuttlecraft as fighters. The Terran Empire might have been more likely to actually do that, or even to have had dedicated fighters, but there was no call for it in "Mirror, Mirror". Still, both universes' Enterprises DID have a shuttle bay with 6 craft, so technically could have acted as a carrier, or at least a flight deck cruiser.
  • terlokiterloki Member Posts: 287 Arc User
    redvenge wrote: »
    A T6 Vo'quv is going to have a tough time unseating the Durgath for the position of uber-carrier. Might be nice to have something in the C-store though.

    Romulans have the T'laru and the Valkis uber-carrier. They have better carrier options than the KDF right now. Again, it might be nice to have something in the C-store.
    I never really count lockbox ships, and especially not R&D promo ships, in this sort of thing given how limited and expensive they are. Yes, they exist in the game, but not everyone can get one by a long shot, they're very finite in quantity. C-store ships on the other hand are only limited by how much money you want to pay and/or dilithium you want to grind.
    vorwoda wrote: »
    Carriers in Trek have roots in Star Fleet Battles (though, of course, that game is DEFINITELY not canon).

    Theoretically, though, even the original Constitution class in TOS could have functioned as a carrier, if they'd been callous enough to deploy their 6 Type F shuttlecraft as fighters. The Terran Empire might have been more likely to actually do that, or even to have had dedicated fighters, but there was no call for it in "Mirror, Mirror". Still, both universes' Enterprises DID have a shuttle bay with 6 craft, so technically could have acted as a carrier, or at least a flight deck cruiser.
    Heck, you can take this even further with the Galaxy-class. Remember that we only ever saw shuttlebay two in the show, which is the SMALLEST of the three on the ship and still at least as large as the Constitution's. If the Galaxy-X/Yamato can have a hangar bay, there's no reason the endgame Galaxy retrofit, Fleet Galaxy, and Andromeda can't. Plus if you look at behind the scenes stuff, which the Devs obviously have because they've already acted on it with the Armitage, the Akira was intended to be a through-deck carrier when they made it for First Contact.

    Honestly the only reason Star Trek hasn't really had carriers in canon is that there was no need and it would be too expensive to do in the era of physical models. They just haven't gotten around definitively having them in more recent stuff.
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  • redvengeredvenge Member Posts: 1,425 Arc User
    patrickngo wrote: »
    whut? you saw a Durgath in the C-store??
    I did say it would be nice to have a carrier in the C-store.

    The original post was lamenting that there was no super T6 Vo'quv and that was terrible since the first carrier was Klingon. My response was specifically for that. A C-store T6 Vo'quv will very likely be overshadowed by the Durgath. This might hurt sales, especially since some posters declare certain ships "sub-par" because they have lower shield modifiers than their Starfleet counterparts. In this sort of cultural climate, why should Cryptic make a carrier that will clearly be "sub-par" when compared to existing offerings? No one would buy an "inferior version" of an existing ship.
    patrickngo wrote: »
    we're not talking about those, or lockboxes, or cross-faction ships in lockboxes, or R&D promotionals that won't happen again...
    Cryptic seems totally happy to keep re-running those promotions. They just had another one that ran for a couple weeks and ended today.

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