Axenar had its justice. All it ever was, was a way for Alec Peters to make a quick buck while infringing on CBS/Paramount's copyrights and trademarks. Nothing more, nothing less. And its "justice" was the whole scam collapsing under its own weight.
I'm waiting to see how y'all tie all of these arguments in to the thread topic.
Well, when we discover the event why the Discoveryverse looks the way it does (and all the fingers so far are pointing to some kind of multidimensional issue focussing on Sarek, I wouldn't be too surprized if Daniels needs our Captains to go back to do something about it, and of course, for the sake of historical accuracy, require them and their away teams to dress the part, so will provide spiffy new uniforms in the temporal readyroom
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I'm waiting to see how y'all tie all of these arguments in to the thread topic.
Well, when we discover the event why the Discoveryverse looks the way it does (and all the fingers so far are pointing to some kind of multidimensional issue focussing on Sarek, I wouldn't be too surprized if Daniels needs our Captains to go back to do something about it, and of course, for the sake of historical accuracy, require them and their away teams to dress the part, so will provide spiffy new uniforms in the temporal readyroom
But this isn't the Discovery Uniforms thread. This is the OTHER thread where everyone is arguing the same thing as that thread. LOL
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I'm waiting to see how y'all tie all of these arguments in to the thread topic.
Well, when we discover the event why the Discoveryverse looks the way it does (and all the fingers so far are pointing to some kind of multidimensional issue focussing on Sarek, I wouldn't be too surprized if Daniels needs our Captains to go back to do something about it, and of course, for the sake of historical accuracy, require them and their away teams to dress the part, so will provide spiffy new uniforms in the temporal readyroom
But this isn't the Discovery Uniforms thread. This is the OTHER thread where everyone is arguing the same thing as that thread. LOL
But this is the Discovery, and the effect it'll have on STO thread: I said the effect it'll have on STO; A new Daniels mission
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Axenar had its justice. All it ever was, was a way for Alec Peters to make a quick buck while infringing on CBS/Paramount's copyrights and trademarks. Nothing more, nothing less. And its "justice" was the whole scam collapsing under its own weight.
Timing..if it was not axxanar, it would have been phase 2 or renegades or whatever.
CBS makes TRIBBLE, fans gonna make their own stuff....BETTER in some case. HIRE them, and sack the current guys,
Advertising in game for the series is a no-brainer.
But, advertising in the series for the game would be genius. Imagine the flood of new players who have just discovered Discovery being prompted to play this 'great old multiplayer game we found in the ship's computer which allows us to portray historical figures from Starfleet's past.'
CBS is saying TRIBBLE is canon Prime Timeline 2250s. We already know Prime Timeline 2250s looked nothing like that. This means, either CBS is wrong / lying, or they're retconning the 2250s Prime Timeline. Which means they might decide to enforce their new retcon on this game and other licensed work.
There's no way to introduce TRIBBLE stuff in this game without a) borking the timeline as I spoke of above, or b) making TRIBBLE an alternate universe aka the Kelvin Timeline. Given that CBS insists that TRIBBLE is Prime Timeline, you cannot include it in this game without overwriting part of TOS. The longer the series runs, the more it steps on the shoes of TOS. It's 10 years before Kirk, what if the series runs 10 years? TOS has just been wiped from its own timeline.
Nothing good can come from this.
This presumes the look of the show is the only criterion by which the show is judged. Hopefully, Discovery will have merit on its own.
And your comment seems to ignore that all of Enterprise was written by people who obviously watched TOS with the intent to retcon or write away the existing canon. You may find Discovery rewriting canon for no better reason than it gets people to talk about it on the internet.
Advertising in game for the series is a no-brainer.
But, advertising in the series for the game would be genius. Imagine the flood of new players who have just discovered Discovery being prompted to play this 'great old multiplayer game we found in the ship's computer which allows us to portray historical figures from Starfleet's past.'
CBS is saying TRIBBLE is canon Prime Timeline 2250s. We already know Prime Timeline 2250s looked nothing like that. This means, either CBS is wrong / lying, or they're retconning the 2250s Prime Timeline. Which means they might decide to enforce their new retcon on this game and other licensed work.
There's no way to introduce TRIBBLE stuff in this game without a) borking the timeline as I spoke of above, or b) making TRIBBLE an alternate universe aka the Kelvin Timeline. Given that CBS insists that TRIBBLE is Prime Timeline, you cannot include it in this game without overwriting part of TOS. The longer the series runs, the more it steps on the shoes of TOS. It's 10 years before Kirk, what if the series runs 10 years? TOS has just been wiped from its own timeline.
Nothing good can come from this.
This presumes the look of the show is the only criterion by which the show is judged. Hopefully, Discovery will have merit on its own.
And your comment seems to ignore that all of Enterprise was written by people who obviously watched TOS with the intent to retcon or write away the existing canon. You may find Discovery rewriting canon for no better reason than it gets people to talk about it on the internet.
Actually Seasons 5 and 6 of Ent were mapped out and were going to start to bridge towards stuff in TOS.
I won’t judge the series before I have seen it. The trailer got me excited enough to give it a shot. I’m actually looking forward to it as Star Trek always taught me to keep an open mind to stuff so why not return the favor and keep an open mid for a new Star Trek show as well.
Depending how they get the rights straight I fully expect new thematic Discovery items into the game. If I like it I go for it, if not then not so again no need to speculate. In general I think the new show will have a positive affect for the game. The more attention the franchise attracts the better chance more peeps will give a related mmopg a chance.
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CBS's primary concern is for the show to be profitable. They want to cater to old Star Trek fans without losing the ones gained by the JJ universe movies (which were rather successful). Their solution: set it in the Prime Universe but make everything look like the JJ movies. This is probably the reason for the time period they chose as well. A post-TNG/VOY/DS9 show would have to look very different from the JJ movies. And it would require a lot of knowledge about what has happened so far to fully understand the plot.
I will give the show a chance anyway. Even TNG needed a season to find itself.
CBS's primary concern is for the show to be profitable. They want to cater to old Star Trek fans without losing the ones gained by the JJ universe movies (which were rather successful). Their solution: set it in the Prime Universe but make everything look like the JJ movies. This is probably the reason for the time period they chose as well. A post-TNG/VOY/DS9 show would have to look very different from the JJ movies. And it would require a lot of knowledge about what has happened so far to fully understand the plot.
I will give the show a chance anyway. Even TNG needed a season to find itself.
Yes they want it to be profitable. That's why they put it behind a paywall and not on their network.
It will be interesting to see how long it will take for Cryptic to get a greenlight to start working on incorporating DSC stuff. Of course, then it will take time to get the models into the game, and they'll have to decide how to put it in.
Silverlobes, read Robert Heinlein's Space Cadet and see how he evisioned that era. Read Issac Asimov's Lucky Starr (written under the pseudonym Paul French) for the same general period. Then read some more contemporary sci-fi & see if they envision that era in even remotely the same way. Times change & so does the vision of the future from that era. Now wheres my flying car damn it.
^This.
As times change, so do perceptions on how that the future will be, and its perfectly acceptable to change how the future is presented in a series like Star Trek to fit that because Star Trek was never anything more then an approximation, ta twas also severely limited by budgetary restraints of the era it was made.
I'll repeat; our changing perceptions shouldn't change the presentation of the presentation
I disagree.
So agree to disagree?
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> Personally, I prefered Superman Returns to Man of Steel, but to each his own
I actually also prefer Superman Returns to be honest, with the exception that I prefer Caville to Routh. Otherwise I felt Superman Returns had the better story, director, & overall cast. I especially dislike Costner as Jonathan Kent, my favorite Jonathan being John Schneider in Smallville. I am especially fond of the episode Tom Wopat guest stars in. The fact remains that emulating the Reeve films was one of the main criticisms & Man of Steel made more money. I do like that Wonder Woman has beat Man of Steel in every way except opening weekend gross.
Caville was acceptable in the role, I just Really disliked Man of Steel (which surprized and saddened me, because Watchmen is one of my favorite movies) Definitely agree about Schneider being the best Jonathan Kent. I don't consider the amount of money taken, as a sign of anything other than the amount of money taken, not an indication of a film's quality. People have to pay to go to see it, and even if they don't like it, it's not like they get their money back, so I tend to pay more heed to the reviews and public perception, rather than just the box office gross
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It will be interesting to see how long it will take for Cryptic to get a greenlight to start working on incorporating DSC stuff. Of course, then it will take time to get the models into the game, and they'll have to decide how to put it in.
I can't see myself ever using the ships or uniforms, but if we get some spiffy new kit modules, they might find themselves being acquired for use
I disagree.
So agree to disagree?
Sure
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... The comparison you're making though, isn't quite the same. A contemporary sci-fi writer certainly writes with the technology of their day, and so a modern writer will indeed portray 2020 in a different way to the way a writer in the 60s would portray 2020. The difference being though, that Star Trek's view of the 2250s has been shown, and these folks are making the claim to be writing in the era of Garth and Pike. They should be having it look like Axanar, not what they've done (unless they want to go down the Kelvin Timeline route, or, just come clean and say it's a remake/reboot, such as the Baywatch movie)
TOS showed us how they used floppy discs and flip phones, which at that time in the 1960's were considered "futuristic". These are both considered antiquated technology today.
And what was the capacity of those 'floppy disks'? We simply don't know. It could easily have been massive, and still exceed current maximum storage capability. Equally, the capabilities of those communicators, could still be said to surpass what we have available today. A standard military walkie-talkie will not get a signal up to ISS :P
To have Discovery follow the dated designs from the 60's would just make it look campy and dated.
Acanar followed the same design aesthetics from the 60's, and that was able to raise over a million bucks. Clearly 'campy and dated' still has a market
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And what was the capacity of those 'floppy disks'? We simply don't know. It could easily have been massive, and still exceed current maximum storage capability. Equally, the capabilities of those communicators, could still be said to surpass what we have available today. A standard military walkie-talkie will not get a signal up to ISS
Storage capacity is irrelevant. Do some research on stuff like quantum computing and the internet of things and where computer technology is going. Floppy discs are an an outdated technology.
Ish... We still use like USB drives, SD and MicroSD cards. Imaging fumbling for something the size of your thumbnail on a rubble-strewn deck with the lights out. Something rugged and easily identifiable, outweighs any size issue. As darthmeow showed rather nicely woth those cockpit shots: Function dictates form in commercial and millitary applications
Acanar followed the same design aesthetics from the 60's, and that was able to raise over a million bucks. Clearly 'campy and dated' still has a market
JJ Trek didn't follow the design aesthetic and grossed nearly 650 million (and counting). Clearly more modern design has more of a market.
Flawed comparison though: JJ Trek was worldwide cinema released. Axanar was a 20ish minute online short. They're two entirely different platforms, so income they raised individually, simply isn't comparable, and it's disingenuous to suggest that they are.
That Axanar was able to raise the kind of money it did with the exposure it had, is impressive, and again, shows that there is a market for it.
That there's also a market for JJ Trek isn't in question (and the two aren't necessarily mutually exclusive) and I'd wager that that is the reason why the Discovery producers went with that look for things.
I wouldn't mind, if it wasn't for the bait and switch-esque tactic of using Prime Timeline 10 years before Kirk, as the lure to reel people in, and then present something completely different.
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I keep telling myself that Discovery is going to fail so hard and then I'm remind that older Trek fans are not the majority anymore. CBS doesn't care about making money off older trek fans because that not the crowd they are aiming for.
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JUSTICE FOR AXENAR!!!!!!!!
won't miss you either.............. sellout.............
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But this isn't the Discovery Uniforms thread. This is the OTHER thread where everyone is arguing the same thing as that thread. LOL
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Timing..if it was not axxanar, it would have been phase 2 or renegades or whatever.
CBS makes TRIBBLE, fans gonna make their own stuff....BETTER in some case. HIRE them, and sack the current guys,
But, advertising in the series for the game would be genius. Imagine the flood of new players who have just discovered Discovery being prompted to play this 'great old multiplayer game we found in the ship's computer which allows us to portray historical figures from Starfleet's past.'
This presumes the look of the show is the only criterion by which the show is judged. Hopefully, Discovery will have merit on its own.
And your comment seems to ignore that all of Enterprise was written by people who obviously watched TOS with the intent to retcon or write away the existing canon. You may find Discovery rewriting canon for no better reason than it gets people to talk about it on the internet.
Actually Seasons 5 and 6 of Ent were mapped out and were going to start to bridge towards stuff in TOS.
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Depending how they get the rights straight I fully expect new thematic Discovery items into the game. If I like it I go for it, if not then not so again no need to speculate. In general I think the new show will have a positive affect for the game. The more attention the franchise attracts the better chance more peeps will give a related mmopg a chance.
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I will give the show a chance anyway. Even TNG needed a season to find itself.
Yes they want it to be profitable. That's why they put it behind a paywall and not on their network.
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I disagree.
So agree to disagree?
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Sure
"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth
Acanar followed the same design aesthetics from the 60's, and that was able to raise over a million bucks. Clearly 'campy and dated' still has a market
"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth
Flawed comparison though: JJ Trek was worldwide cinema released. Axanar was a 20ish minute online short. They're two entirely different platforms, so income they raised individually, simply isn't comparable, and it's disingenuous to suggest that they are.
That Axanar was able to raise the kind of money it did with the exposure it had, is impressive, and again, shows that there is a market for it.
That there's also a market for JJ Trek isn't in question (and the two aren't necessarily mutually exclusive) and I'd wager that that is the reason why the Discovery producers went with that look for things.
I wouldn't mind, if it wasn't for the bait and switch-esque tactic of using Prime Timeline 10 years before Kirk, as the lure to reel people in, and then present something completely different.
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Why will you want to play a Klingon that looks like Meg Griffin?