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Make Sela into a Special BO - She was great 1st officer in Surviors

tigerariestigeraries Member Posts: 3,492 Arc User
Sela was great helping out giving orders on ship... after her re-education in a fed facility you can release her as a special BO players can get.
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  • hanover2hanover2 Member Posts: 1,053 Arc User
    Too many people would go back and replay her episodes with that officer in their landing party, then whinge about the presence of a duplicate Sela ruining their immersion.

    Those people are why we can't have nice things.
  • nightkennightken Member Posts: 2,824 Arc User
    hanover2 wrote: »
    Too many people would go back and replay her episodes with that officer in their landing party, then whinge about the presence of a duplicate Sela ruining their immersion.

    Those people are why we can't have nice things.

    they haven't made a fuss about leeta yet.


    tigeraries wrote: »
    Sela was great helping out giving orders on ship... after her re-education in a fed facility you can release her as a special BO players can get.

    I've heard worst ideas... thats actually kinda depressing.


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  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,824 Arc User
    edited May 2017
    nightken wrote: »
    hanover2 wrote: »
    Too many people would go back and replay her episodes with that officer in their landing party, then whinge about the presence of a duplicate Sela ruining their immersion.

    Those people are why we can't have nice things.

    they haven't made a fuss about leeta yet.


    tigeraries wrote: »
    Sela was great helping out giving orders on ship... after her re-education in a fed facility you can release her as a special BO players can get.

    I've heard worst ideas... thats actually kinda depressing.

    The Leeta we get/got was a holographic Leeta...not the real thing.
  • jbmonroejbmonroe Member Posts: 809 Arc User
    Why would you want a BOFF who was responsible for the death of millions on your crew, even a holographic one?

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  • bloodyrizbloodyriz Member Posts: 1,756 Arc User
    jbmonroe wrote: »
    Why would you want a BOFF who was responsible for the death of millions on your crew, even a holographic one?

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  • dracounguisdracounguis Member Posts: 5,358 Arc User
    You want your captain 'retired' by their first officer? Sela isn't big on playing 2nd banana. ;)
  • solidshark214solidshark214 Member Posts: 341 Arc User
    Personally, I'd rather Sela went away. She's gotten out of trouble way too many times now--and knowing her history her current incarceration probably isn't going to last, either--and I for one am tired of it. I certainly have no interest in seeing her on my bridge on top of everything else.
  • jaguarskxjaguarskx Member Posts: 5,945 Arc User
    Maybe Mirror Universe Sela is plausible, but I do not know what her story is and what role she has in that universe. Could be a future MI reward since we got MU Hakeev back in 2014.
  • ashstorm1ashstorm1 Member Posts: 679 Arc User
    Mayhaps that would be interesting, for the sake of sending her without armor/shield/weapon all alone against a group of Elite enemy NPCs, and have fun witnessing her ultimate demise while we stand watching from afar.
  • seriousdaveseriousdave Member Posts: 2,777 Arc User
    jaguarskx wrote: »
    Maybe Mirror Universe Sela is plausible, but I do not know what her story is and what role she has in that universe. Could be a future MI reward since we got MU Hakeev back in 2014.

    The MU already has a whole damn lot that dosen't make a lick of sense and a mirror sela would just be the cherry on top of that.
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  • tenoholtenohol Member Posts: 17 Arc User
    I'd love to play loyal Romulan under Sela! would give a different perspective! Like her character!
  • postagepaidpostagepaid Member Posts: 2,899 Arc User
    Only if we can get functional airlocks FTL style.
  • echattyechatty Member Posts: 5,914 Arc User
    Like has been said, it could be interesting, but I don't see a great demand for it. I'm of two minds about it. Mostly just 'meh' about it.

    But it's not the worst idea that's ever been floated through here before.
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  • duncanidaho11duncanidaho11 Member Posts: 7,867 Arc User
    edited May 2017
    hanover2 wrote: »
    Too many people would go back and replay her episodes with that officer in their landing party, then whinge about the presence of a duplicate Sela ruining their immersion.

    Those people are why we can't have nice things.

    It would also break the story of every existing mission with Sela and preclude future plot developments (since then Sela's out of Cryptic's control, she's our ground minion.) People might scoff at this, but Cryptic takes their setting seriously. They're not going to give players an officer which fundamentally does not work for the STO story arc (note how every other canon character boff has been a complication-free hologram.)

    If you want to break it yourself, more power to you (that's what the tailor is here for :tongue:) but to put this as a matter of "oh, we'd totally have this if it wasn't for players!" is just hoisting blame on fellow community members for the problems of a faulty assumption (ex. that cryptic can just do this willy-nilly. The use of a likeness can be very rigidly specified by an actor's contract. Crosby's would probably have to be renegotiated to accommodate a new use for the character. That's not impossible, but it makes this hill even steeper to climb.)
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  • shadowwraith#9264 shadowwraith Member Posts: 379 Arc User
    how about making her a duty officer (security or espionage specialist) like the mirror hakeev instead of a bridge officer?
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  • duncanidaho11duncanidaho11 Member Posts: 7,867 Arc User
    edited May 2017
    how about making her a duty officer (security or espionage specialist) like the mirror hakeev instead of a bridge officer?

    A mirror Sela would work better in terms of fitting the reward to the STO story, characters, and setting (ie. it could happen, I doubt it would ever make logical sense for prime Sela to become a crewmember on a Republic or Federation ship). But there's still the question of "is it possible for Cryptic to use Crosby's likeness this way?" If yes, sure! It'd make for a good reward for the next MI event. If not, then oh well.
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  • saurializardsaurializard Member Posts: 4,386 Arc User
    Good idea! My airlock was getting rusty for not being opened for a while.
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  • ightenighten Member Posts: 181 Arc User
    Sela really needs to be ejected into a singularity to nowhere and notime
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  • duncanidaho11duncanidaho11 Member Posts: 7,867 Arc User
    Good idea! My airlock was getting rusty for not being opened for a while.

    That's a safety violation. Regulations state that an airlock should be tested with the OSHA approved potato-sack-dummy on a twice monthly basis.
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  • saurializardsaurializard Member Posts: 4,386 Arc User
    edited May 2017
    Good idea! My airlock was getting rusty for not being opened for a while.

    That's a safety violation. Regulations state that an airlock should be tested with the OSHA approved potato-sack-dummy on a twice monthly basis.
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    -2 others called in sick on their first day
    -3 resigned and tried to sue me for mistreatment
    -1 nearly caused a war between 2 factions of a new species
    -1 managed to kill two common Doffs and we still don't know how

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  • duncanidaho11duncanidaho11 Member Posts: 7,867 Arc User
    edited May 2017
    reyan01 wrote: »

    Mirror Sela doesn't work. Period.

    I don't really see how she could exist in the MU. She was the byproduct of a very unique set of circumstances that occurred in the prime universe.

    So is every single person who has ever existed. Sela isn't unique in being the product of unique circumstances. Take you, for example. It's unlikely that your parents arrived here from a parallel universe but the circumstances that lead to you, me, and anyone else are fantastically improbable if you look at the grand scale of things.

    Now take the odds of every applicable main character having an MU analog (despite the deep historical differences and fundamental separation of the two universes) and you'll find a number that makes any amount of narrative convenience to get an MU Sela moot (different temporal event, same result of placing Tasha Yar with the Romulans.)

    There is no physical law governing just how amazingly coincidental the MU is (just take their ship design). It's just a fact of the series.
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  • cuchulainn74cuchulainn74 Member Posts: 831 Arc User
    While she is a great character in the game, I don't think I want a lunatic genocidal war criminal as an officer on my ship. Call me crazy!
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  • duncanidaho11duncanidaho11 Member Posts: 7,867 Arc User
    While she is a great character in the game, I don't think I want a lunatic genocidal war criminal as an officer on my ship. Call me crazy!

    Especially one who might harbor personal resentments about having her highest aspirations thwarted. A person might get stabby over something like that, and it's been shown time and again that locks don't concern prime Sela much. :tongue:
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  • bartimaeus#4158 bartimaeus Member Posts: 37 Arc User
    While she is a great character in the game, I don't think I want a lunatic genocidal war criminal as an officer on my ship. Call me crazy!

    Lol, the Klingon Empire is packed with such, but the Federation is all hugs and kisses with them.
  • brian334brian334 Member Posts: 2,214 Arc User
    The Mirror Universe is strangely non-divergent. For a place filled with homicidal megalomaniacs, the increased probability of execution of ancestors has not resulted in the elimination of their offspring.

    The glaring exception is Mrs. Sisko. Jennifer was alive in the MU but dead in the prime universe. Usually it was the other way around.

    So, who exists in the MU is a matter of convenience. Trek writers can do pretty much what they want there and it will somehow work out that everything is the same except what they want to be different.

    I'm still waiting to see the MU offspring of Spock and Marlena Moreau. A 1/4 Vulcan Assassin should be an interesting character, and now that the MU has time travel...
  • saurializardsaurializard Member Posts: 4,386 Arc User
    Well, it is called the MIRROR universe after all, not the Evil Universe. There has to be as many mirror versions of the Prime universe characters, ships, technology, etc. as possible to earn its name.

    For me, this whole universe doesn't make any sense to begin with, with all its similarities when the overall morality, timeline, events, and standards are mostly different, but it's part of the Star Trek mythos and has spawn many homages, tropes, references, etc. for decades, so it gets a pass despite the nonsense.
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  • psycoticvulcanpsycoticvulcan Member Posts: 4,160 Arc User
    I prefer to look at the mirror universe as simply an alternate history, with plenty of its own unique events and history that we just haven't seen yet because it's not relevant to the main characters of the series.

    And I hope Sela doesn't come back at all, personally. She was fun for a while, but she's starting to feel like a Mary Sue and I just can't buy this redemption arc we've been getting. If the devs wanted to redeem her, she should have gone down covering our escape from ancient Iconia or something.
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