Is there anything wrong with colours? I mean if my computer screen can display so many colour why does 23th century glass display(ughhh, too cliche)only display generic scifi neonblue everywhere? Why csnt they keep the colourful tos style, no one is asking to replicate it, but tos and well, tng-era all have alot more colour than generic scifi blue.
The ship, not much can be seen, but from what i can see, i am sold. Looks good. Uniform isnt the cage uniform but TRIBBLE it it looks good, i feel it does have some retro to it, and ribbons, cant be tos-era without ribbons.
Klingons? Hurq? A coffin? Wot??
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Well, it looks better than I had feared, and I'm glad they dumped the TMP-reject design they had before. Not a big fan of the overall look (especially the Klingons). Feels like it takes most of its cues from JJ-Trek, and I'm not really happy about that. Of course, what really matters is the writing and you can't tell anything about that from the trailer.
I'm interested. I really like the uniforms. I do kinda wish they were going with the TNG/DS9 Klingons, but it is not that big of a deal to me. I'm just excited to see some new trek and it looks pretty good. I can't wait to see what they do with it.
> @walligig said: > I'm interested. I really like the uniforms. I do kinda wish they were going with the TNG/DS9 Klingons, but it is not that big of a deal to me. I'm just excited to see some new trek and it looks pretty good. I can't wait to see what they do with it.
Biologically its not that different from tng era, updated of course. But the thing they are wearing...
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Hast thou not lacked vigor
Hast thou exerted all possible efforts
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> @walligig said:
> I'm interested. I really like the uniforms. I do kinda wish they were going with the TNG/DS9 Klingons, but it is not that big of a deal to me. I'm just excited to see some new trek and it looks pretty good. I can't wait to see what they do with it.
Biologically its not that different from tng era, updated of course. But the thing they are wearing...
I think the whole design for klingons here is pretty bad, and I suspect it doesn't speak well of their being three-dimensional characters. The designs are dark and cluttered, which makes their faces hard to see. Film directors usually take care to leave faces visible for emoting, that the klingons are hard to see suggests they're going to be flat, villainous villains.
Well, it looks better than I had feared, and I'm glad they dumped the TMP-reject design they had before. Not a big fan of the overall look (especially the Klingons). Feels like it takes most of its cues from JJ-Trek, and I'm not really happy about that. Of course, what really matters is the writing and you can't tell anything about that from the trailer.
The ship in the trailer is the Shenzou...they never showed Discovery
You fans should stop being so butthurt. Its 2017, not 1966. Of course things have to look different.
But we still wanted to use that 1966 setting anyway, even though all the post-nemesis hologram-touchscreen-so-future is already there. So we have to do the 1966 tos-era, but make everything not tos-era anyway.
You fans should stop complaining and whining and just accept it.
Hast thou not gone against sincerity
Hast thou not felt ashamed of thy words and deeds
Hast thou not lacked vigor
Hast thou exerted all possible efforts
Hast thou not become slothful
You fans should stop being so butthurt. Its 2017, not 1966. Of course things have to look different.
But we still wanted to use that 1966 setting anyway, even though all the post-nemesis hologram-touchscreen-so-future is already there. So we have to do the 1966 tos-era, but make everything not tos-era anyway.
You fans should stop complaining and whining and just accept it.
Really? Enterprise acknowleged the look in "In a Mirror Darkly", TNG did in "Relics", DS9 did in "Trials and Tribulations", and VOY did the movie era. So no....they don't HAVE to look different. Some upgraded panels and effects sure. But everything in this screams Kelvin Timeline, not Prime.
> @ruinthefun said: > All I see is "video not available". If you're going to post a fake trailer, you have to do a better job than that. FAKE NEWS!
Youtube have it uploaded
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Hast thou exerted all possible efforts
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You fans should stop being so butthurt. Its 2017, not 1966. Of course things have to look different.
But we still wanted to use that 1966 setting anyway, even though all the post-nemesis hologram-touchscreen-so-future is already there. So we have to do the 1966 tos-era, but make everything not tos-era anyway.
You fans should stop complaining and whining and just accept it.
Really? Enterprise acknowleged the look in "In a Mirror Darkly", TNG did in "Relics", DS9 did in "Trials and Tribulations", and VOY did the movie era. So no....they don't HAVE to look different. Some upgraded panels and effects sure. But everything in this screams Kelvin Timeline, not Prime.
Playing Devil's Advocate here... Having nods to TOS like that is fine, but not as a mainstay as they want to attract NEW viewers. Not just cater to old fans. Odds are they'll do something similar to what was done with Enterprise, Make it look advanced and futuristic while at the same time not so advanced that it exceeds what was seen in TOS. The only thing though is that holocommunications thing we saw may seem out of place. Until we see more details on the consoles, we can't say for certain that it is "too advanced".
What was futuristic in the 1960s looks outdated and childish today, and wouldn't attract new viewers. Modern keyboards look more advanced than some consoles aboard the original Enterprise.
Also... Kelvin Timeline ships were a similar design style to the Kelvin until the Enterprise was launched. So if this was Kelvin Timeline... wouldn't that ship have details more like the Kelvin herself?
I think we really need to move on, as fans, from complaining about how the Klingons don't look the same as they did in a previous series.
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I think we really need to move on, as fans, from complaining about how the Klingons don't look the same as they did in a previous series.
I'm not complaining because they don't look the same, I'm complaining because they don't look good.
And on second viewing, the interior designs don't actually look too bad... at least in photos...
...But in the video, they're obscuring them with annoying lighting and lens flares like in JJ-Trek! It's annoying and disorienting.
Am I the only one getting a Stargate vibe from the Klingons? The uniforms and set designs just scream Jaffa and Goa'uld... they even have torches scattered around, the only thing they are missing is the decorative helmets.
Edit: I'm also a tad disappointed in our main character being an openly emotional half-Vulcan. Yet another chance for the writers to TRIBBLE all over the Vulcans by portraying them as having passive aggressive racial supremacist attitudes.
Mixed feelings about it. Glad about the idea of Star Trek returning to TV after more than a decade of being off, but I'm not exactly happy about the visual direction they've taken. But I guess the franchise has to go with the new look for today. Star Trek isn't exactly reeling in a new, younger fanbase like Star Wars does, so something has to give.
They really should settle down on the lighting, goodness, it even obscures the characters for no purpose at all.
Most of what I see looks good ... but the design of those "Klingons" is almost bad enough for me to give up on it now. Wtf were they thinking!?
Hopefully there's a "this is a small faction that attempted to cure themselves of the augment virus but instead became mutants" type explanation, cause that design is just fraking terrible. If the explanation is going to be "they always looked like that" then I give up, try again in another 15 years.
So...this IS set in JJverse after all...because if it ain't CBS just killed the prime timelime.
Considering the U.S.S. Kelvin LAUNCHED and EXISTED IN the prime Timeline (the divergence happened when Nero's ship appeared); and given the U.S.S. Shenzou has NX-01 design elements (IE the Saucer Section and the Gold Deflector Dish) - meaning it's most likely an older vessel maybe at its prime in the 2230ies (like the U.S.S. Kelvin) - sorry, I don't see a problem placing this series in the Prime timeline.
This Trek fan who's been watching Star Trek first run since 1969 (I was 6) loved the trailer and is looking forward to more. We're definitely back in the 23rd Century. Gone is the 24th Century 'Boardroom Star Trek' TNG era (IE They all sit around a Conference Table and talk for 1/3 to 2/3rds of an episode).
Couldn't be happier. (YMMV of course.)
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And the punchline is that it would have worked perfectly if set in a future timeline with giving these antagonist Aliens a new name.
Why this damn unhealthy fixation to play in the established past eras combined with the utter incompetence to do it accordingly? Wanna do new stuff? Do it in a future timeline.
These Aliens would look cool as new type of Aliens. Calling them Klingons after how thoroughly they have been established and evolved from TMP till end of ENT screams of disregarding ignorance.
So...this IS set in JJverse after all...because if it ain't CBS just killed the prime timelime.
Considering the U.S.S. Kelvin LAUNCHED and EXISTED IN the prime Timeline (the divergence happened when Nero's ship appeared); and given the U.S.S. Shenzou has NX-01 design elements (IE the Saucer Section and the Gold Deflector Dish) - meaning it's most likely an older vessel maybe at its prime in the 2230ies (like the U.S.S. Kelvin) - sorry, I don't see a problem placing this series in the Prime timeline.
This Trek fan who's been watching Star Trek first run since 1969 (I was 6) loved the trailer and is looking forward to more. We're definitely back in the 23rd Century. Gone is the 24th Century 'Boardroom Star Trek' TNG era (IE They all sit around a Conference Table and talk for 1/3 to 2/3rds of an episode).
Couldn't be happier. (YMMV of course.)
10 years before Kirk is 2255 which puts it int "The Cage" era. That means the uniforms are wrong. The aesthetics are wrong, and the Klingons (If these are the shows true Klingons of the era) way off. The Shenzou having a Kelvin vibe is ok but everything else still seems to have a KT look. Now if Discovery herself looks that way then they messed with continuity yet again.
And the punchline is that it would have worked perfectly if set in a future timeline with giving these antagonist Aliens a new name.
Why this damn unhealthy fixation to play in the established past eras combined with the utter incompetence to do it accordingly? Wanna do new stuff? Do it in a future timeline.
These Aliens would look cool as new type of Aliens. Calling them Klingons after how thoroughly they have been established and evolved from TMP till end of Voy scream of .disregarding ignorance.
Oh please. Someone needs a refresher on Klingon appearance changes over the run of the Star Trek franchise:
ST:TMP: First time the Klingons looked different from the Star Trek TV series Klingons, and the first time we heard the Klingon language spoken.
STIII:TSFS: Second time we see Klingons AND these Klingons look very different from how they looked in ST:TMP
ST:TNG TV Series: Third time we really see Klingons - and they do look similar to STIII:TSFS Klingons. Klingon look becomes in general more consistent (some minor changes season to season with Worf. We also see Klingon blood is in fact red in TNG: "Redemption II" - when Worf cerimoniously cuts ghimself as his family honor is restored
STVI:TUC: Here we have Klingons again, but they do look (again) quite different from pervious Klingon versions - and here their blood is pink.
ENT: Klingons here look like TNG style Klingons again.
My point? Even in the so called 'Prime' Universe sorry, but the 'Klingon look' from ST:TMP on (and back in the 'past' of TOS on ENT) has never been consistent. BUT, everything listed above is a part of the 'Prime' Star Trek universe from 1966 - Now.
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The Klingons aren't so bad. Stupid costumes not withstanding their make up is more similar to the TNG style than the TMP or ID styles were. Also, it's never ever said all Klingons were affected with the Augment Virus anywhere in canon. Ever. Ridged Klingons in the TOS era is not a problem, at all. The same as when they appeared in ID and TMP.
Also, a lot of the problems with design are nullified if this were to be advertised as a equal to ENT and the Kelvin not as a prequel to The Cage/TOS because there is a clear and distinct design lineage that runs from the NX to the Kelvin and to the Shenzou/Discovery and spins off into the KT. Even to the space suits, more similar to the MACO EV sits and the space diving suits of 09 than the painted tinfoil of TOS. The interiors of the ship feel very like the Kelvin or Franklin and the lighting is very like the Kelvin.
If anyone was expecting TOS aesthetics over ENT/KT aesthetics for this show they are delusional.
I am not a big fan of the lighting and cinematography shown, however it's a trailer, it could be tampered with to disguise unfinished effects and poor rendering that has yet to be smoothed over.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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Not a fan of the new Klingon look, I thought it was nice that they settled for a more consistent look in the TV shows TNG, DS9 and VOY, but whatever.
I don't think we'll ever get the TOS style aesthetics back, and I am totally fine with that. They can't help but date the franchise and make it look obsolete and out of touch with modern viewers.
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Judging by trailers I am more excited for "The Orville" than this. But anyone who doesn't like this is just butthurt and can't adapt to new things, IDIC blah blah blah so I probably won't wste my time commenting on this a lot.
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The ship, not much can be seen, but from what i can see, i am sold. Looks good. Uniform isnt the cage uniform but TRIBBLE it it looks good, i feel it does have some retro to it, and ribbons, cant be tos-era without ribbons.
Klingons? Hurq? A coffin? Wot??
Hast thou not felt ashamed of thy words and deeds
Hast thou not lacked vigor
Hast thou exerted all possible efforts
Hast thou not become slothful
these are not the klingons, we are looking for ...
> I'm interested. I really like the uniforms. I do kinda wish they were going with the TNG/DS9 Klingons, but it is not that big of a deal to me. I'm just excited to see some new trek and it looks pretty good. I can't wait to see what they do with it.
Biologically its not that different from tng era, updated of course. But the thing they are wearing...
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Hast thou not lacked vigor
Hast thou exerted all possible efforts
Hast thou not become slothful
I think the whole design for klingons here is pretty bad, and I suspect it doesn't speak well of their being three-dimensional characters. The designs are dark and cluttered, which makes their faces hard to see. Film directors usually take care to leave faces visible for emoting, that the klingons are hard to see suggests they're going to be flat, villainous villains.
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The ship in the trailer is the Shenzou...they never showed Discovery
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But we still wanted to use that 1966 setting anyway, even though all the post-nemesis hologram-touchscreen-so-future is already there. So we have to do the 1966 tos-era, but make everything not tos-era anyway.
You fans should stop complaining and whining and just accept it.
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Really? Enterprise acknowleged the look in "In a Mirror Darkly", TNG did in "Relics", DS9 did in "Trials and Tribulations", and VOY did the movie era. So no....they don't HAVE to look different. Some upgraded panels and effects sure. But everything in this screams Kelvin Timeline, not Prime.
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> All I see is "video not available". If you're going to post a fake trailer, you have to do a better job than that. FAKE NEWS!
Youtube have it uploaded
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Playing Devil's Advocate here... Having nods to TOS like that is fine, but not as a mainstay as they want to attract NEW viewers. Not just cater to old fans. Odds are they'll do something similar to what was done with Enterprise, Make it look advanced and futuristic while at the same time not so advanced that it exceeds what was seen in TOS. The only thing though is that holocommunications thing we saw may seem out of place. Until we see more details on the consoles, we can't say for certain that it is "too advanced".
What was futuristic in the 1960s looks outdated and childish today, and wouldn't attract new viewers. Modern keyboards look more advanced than some consoles aboard the original Enterprise.
Also... Kelvin Timeline ships were a similar design style to the Kelvin until the Enterprise was launched. So if this was Kelvin Timeline... wouldn't that ship have details more like the Kelvin herself?
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I'm not complaining because they don't look the same, I'm complaining because they don't look good.
And on second viewing, the interior designs don't actually look too bad... at least in photos...
...But in the video, they're obscuring them with annoying lighting and lens flares like in JJ-Trek! It's annoying and disorienting.
Edit: I'm also a tad disappointed in our main character being an openly emotional half-Vulcan. Yet another chance for the writers to TRIBBLE all over the Vulcans by portraying them as having passive aggressive racial supremacist attitudes.
They really should settle down on the lighting, goodness, it even obscures the characters for no purpose at all.
Hopefully there's a "this is a small faction that attempted to cure themselves of the augment virus but instead became mutants" type explanation, cause that design is just fraking terrible. If the explanation is going to be "they always looked like that" then I give up, try again in another 15 years.
Considering the U.S.S. Kelvin LAUNCHED and EXISTED IN the prime Timeline (the divergence happened when Nero's ship appeared); and given the U.S.S. Shenzou has NX-01 design elements (IE the Saucer Section and the Gold Deflector Dish) - meaning it's most likely an older vessel maybe at its prime in the 2230ies (like the U.S.S. Kelvin) - sorry, I don't see a problem placing this series in the Prime timeline.
This Trek fan who's been watching Star Trek first run since 1969 (I was 6) loved the trailer and is looking forward to more. We're definitely back in the 23rd Century. Gone is the 24th Century 'Boardroom Star Trek' TNG era (IE They all sit around a Conference Table and talk for 1/3 to 2/3rds of an episode).
Couldn't be happier.
PWE ARC Drone says: "Your STO forum community as you have known it is ended...Display names are irrelevant...Any further sense of community is irrelevant...Resistance is futile...You will be assimilated..."
Why this damn unhealthy fixation to play in the established past eras combined with the utter incompetence to do it accordingly? Wanna do new stuff? Do it in a future timeline.
These Aliens would look cool as new type of Aliens. Calling them Klingons after how thoroughly they have been established and evolved from TMP till end of ENT screams of disregarding ignorance.
10 years before Kirk is 2255 which puts it int "The Cage" era. That means the uniforms are wrong. The aesthetics are wrong, and the Klingons (If these are the shows true Klingons of the era) way off. The Shenzou having a Kelvin vibe is ok but everything else still seems to have a KT look. Now if Discovery herself looks that way then they messed with continuity yet again.
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Oh please. Someone needs a refresher on Klingon appearance changes over the run of the Star Trek franchise:
ST:TMP: First time the Klingons looked different from the Star Trek TV series Klingons, and the first time we heard the Klingon language spoken.
STIII:TSFS: Second time we see Klingons AND these Klingons look very different from how they looked in ST:TMP
ST:TNG TV Series: Third time we really see Klingons - and they do look similar to STIII:TSFS Klingons. Klingon look becomes in general more consistent (some minor changes season to season with Worf. We also see Klingon blood is in fact red in TNG: "Redemption II" - when Worf cerimoniously cuts ghimself as his family honor is restored
STVI:TUC: Here we have Klingons again, but they do look (again) quite different from pervious Klingon versions - and here their blood is pink.
ENT: Klingons here look like TNG style Klingons again.
My point? Even in the so called 'Prime' Universe sorry, but the 'Klingon look' from ST:TMP on (and back in the 'past' of TOS on ENT) has never been consistent. BUT, everything listed above is a part of the 'Prime' Star Trek universe from 1966 - Now.
PWE ARC Drone says: "Your STO forum community as you have known it is ended...Display names are irrelevant...Any further sense of community is irrelevant...Resistance is futile...You will be assimilated..."
Also, a lot of the problems with design are nullified if this were to be advertised as a equal to ENT and the Kelvin not as a prequel to The Cage/TOS because there is a clear and distinct design lineage that runs from the NX to the Kelvin and to the Shenzou/Discovery and spins off into the KT. Even to the space suits, more similar to the MACO EV sits and the space diving suits of 09 than the painted tinfoil of TOS. The interiors of the ship feel very like the Kelvin or Franklin and the lighting is very like the Kelvin.
If anyone was expecting TOS aesthetics over ENT/KT aesthetics for this show they are delusional.
I am not a big fan of the lighting and cinematography shown, however it's a trailer, it could be tampered with to disguise unfinished effects and poor rendering that has yet to be smoothed over.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
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Not a fan of the new Klingon look, I thought it was nice that they settled for a more consistent look in the TV shows TNG, DS9 and VOY, but whatever.
I don't think we'll ever get the TOS style aesthetics back, and I am totally fine with that. They can't help but date the franchise and make it look obsolete and out of touch with modern viewers.
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