Maybe Canada should consider building a wall along the border. lol
A lot of us wanted to build said wall, but we didn't have the money to make it happen.
We will build the wall and have the Americans pay for it.
Yes.
Hell, I'll chip in, I wouldn't want to inflict our madness on you guys up north.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
Maybe Canada should consider building a wall along the border. lol
A lot of us wanted to build said wall, but we didn't have the money to make it happen.
We will build the wall and have the Americans pay for it.
Yes.
Hell, I'll chip in, I wouldn't want to inflict our madness on you guys up north.
Winning.
It's what I do. It's what I just did. It's what I'm about to do again. It's being undisputed emperor of an empire that cannot be disproved as the most powerful intergalactic empire in the entire universe; I always win, and everything I've won will definitely be won again... by me. It's my signature move, and thus, it's my signature. Problem, Sonic? Yeah, I mean you, Sonic, because you're being beat up, despite your being super. You can't even hit Shadow back, can you? Nope, he's too strong for you. Of course, I'm not Shadow, I'm the Super Emerald fueled fox that's pulling the strings; trust me, the fight would only be a few frames long if I were in it personally. Oh, and here's something for all you guys thinking you can win Last Post Wins 3.0; trust me, I'll be around a long while after the sun has already consumed the Earth while I sit out with the forum servers on Titan. Yes, I mean Titan... that comparatively little moon orbiting Saturn. It's a nice little place in a version of our solar system where the sun is a lot bigger. I mean, Mars will last longer than your precious Earth, but by then, it'll be one hot planet... and I figure Saturn's moon will be about the right temperate for a super-powered warlord. Oh, and trust me, I packed a lot of rings, and I mean a lot. Trillions, in fact, so I'll never run out of rings to power my super form. Besides, if I start to run out, I can just chaos control more rings into my reach. It's quite easy, really. You should try it. Granted, you'll never have the 7 Super Emeralds that I have in my possession, nor the Master Emerald that I've got hidden away somewhere... absorbed into my body thanks to Sonic logic, but whatever. I win. Again. I'm not kidding, either. Just check Last Post Wins, and if the last post isn't mine, it soon will be. Very, very soon. You can count on it. Seriously. By the way, if you're wondering, there's a really great Super Tails sprite sheet out there... somewhere... by some guy named shadow_91. These sprites are really great. Like, really good. Quality. Just like what I like to see in a sprite sheet. Also, credit to Joe T.E., his Sonic Battle style Super Sonic sprites have a great palette for a Super Sonic being beat up by Super Shadow, who's palette is from a Super Shadow sheet of unknown origin, but it turns out they were "borrowed" from a better sheet made by a certain Domenico. Oh, and the gif is actually a custom made super version of a similar gif, of which there are only 3 or 4 copies to be found by Google, and even then, evidently of an unknown source. Yep, it's one of those things. Stuff people have made, spread around, only for it to vanish and you to be the only person who still has a copy, not even knowing where it came from... like, literally at all. Oh, and anyone notice that Shadow's little chaos snap blast thingies are red and blue now? Yeah, I changed it. Problem, fans of purple? Yeah, I know you got a problem with that one, but you can just deal with it. After all, according to all known laws of aviation, there is no way a bee should be able to fly... alright, alright, I'll spare you the entire Bee Movie script, just Google it if you want. By the way, ever wonder how your characters would've ended up if they evolved in another universe? Yeah, that. Think about it. Ok, so you probably didn't bother reading up to here, but whatever, here's a surprise for you guys over at ESD (RP) who were crazy enough to read this: Emperor Nat of the mcfreakin' Terran Empire is gonna be right all along! The universe is gonna go BOOM! *Thumbs up to the insanity*
Oh, now don't tell me you want in on all this! Well, ok. Look this that Egg Pawn hanging outside your window, pointing his laser rifle at you, waiting for my next order. He's doing his part. He helps conquer the weak-minded. He roboticizes the weak-bodied. Heck, he even helps keep the useless people from causing any trouble, but you know what? Join. Find the closest Nataran Empire roboticization center near you and join the ranks, before the ranks find you. Oh, I know, you figure it must be so satisfying to know I basically rule the world now, and you know what? It is, but do you want to know the true definition of satisfaction? Well, let me tell you a little story. One day, you see a brand new event. They're giving out boxes that give old event stuff. Your dilithium is plentiful. You buy a whole lot of Phoenix packs on your main, and open them all. You get one epic token. Then, you decide, that since you have all the Breen ships and don't give a damn about the others, you exchange it for an ultra rare, and grab yourself a Jem'Hadar Attack Ship and for the hell of it, a Voth Bulwark. You open both, leaving the Bulwark in your vast masses of starships as you jump into the bugship and deck it out, deck by deck, into the most awesome Jem'Hadar ship you can. You fly it. You enjoy it. Eventually, you get bored and leave, leaving the old Bulwark never flown... until later. Your main is long complete. Your new alt main, based off some character you pulled out of nothing just to explain away some starship being in service without the command of your dear admiral, is also complete. Mostly. Their reps and doffs are hard at work, getting you stuff. You realize the potential, and head back for your dear admiral, pull the most Voth themed build you can out of thin air, and suit up in your giant ship in the shape of you know what. You head out... and cause all sorts of havoc. Enemies scream out your name as their very life is drained away by your swarms of Aceton Assimilators. They complain to the devs of your OPness when you revive yourself from death every time you die. Do you show any form of mercy? No. After all, this isn't the United Federation of Planets, this is mother frakkin' Starfleet, where you explore strange new worlds and kick butt never kicked before. Oh, and you realize that I just wrote another speech rivaling your own signature. Cool. Oh, wait, that's just the original draft, it is part of my signature now. Oh, and yes, I am aware that I have become a Canadian Regent; one day, sooner than you'd expect, we'll suddenly decide to take over the world and declare an "alliance", and I shall become it's Regent. You know, like the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance in the mirror universe of our beloved Star Trek. Oh, who'll we be taking over with? I dunno, maybe [REDACTED], or maybe aliens from outer space. Guess you'll have to wait and find out, won't we? Until then, don't ask too many questions, or else my Breen allies on Titania might pick up on your -- [REDACTED BY BREEN CONFEDERACY FOR REASONS] Also, psst... keep an eye out for flying Tribbles! Also walls. Big, great walls, separating entire continents apart. Walls patrolled by Tribbles. Flying Tribbles. Flying Nukara Tribbles. Don't worry, it's not like they were on Venus with a herd of Tholians or anything, they just like the extreme heat and brutal weather like acid rain and hurricane force winds as the norm. Oh, and definitely keep your eye out on any two-tailed foxes, because if they ain't glowing, they're definitely an imposter. Possibly an Undine, we caught one of those once in my place once. Oh, and if you find a two-tailed fox that doesn't like the cold... most certainly ask him to say sorry. If he refuses, DESTROY HIM WITH A DOOMSDAY MACHINE, BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING ELSE THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH AGAINST SUCH AN OVERPOWERED IMPOSTER!
tr;dr, I am winning last post wins 3.0. Thank you for your time.
Maybe Canada should consider building a wall along the border. lol
A lot of us wanted to build said wall, but we didn't have the money to make it happen.
We will build the wall and have the Americans pay for it.
Yes.
Hell, I'll chip in, I wouldn't want to inflict our madness on you guys up north.
All I can say is,
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
I remember the first time I drove my 18 wheeler into Canada. I entered at St. Catherine's, just across from Detroit. While I was going through Canada Customs, everyone was polite and very professional. When I was asked by the Custom Inspectors if I had anything to declare, I said, "Yes. Y'all need to put a big sign right on the bridge which says "Welcome to Canada! The Land of Good Manners and Common Sense. While you are here, please conduct yourself accordingly.'"
Got a great big laugh from nearly everyone within earshot.
A six year old boy and his starship. Living the dream.
With the trek plate frame, it should be obvious the guy isn't telling foreigners to assimilate. People who have nothing better to do that complain about a license plate really need to get psychological help or dropped off in a 3rd world country w/ no money to discover 1st hand that there are more important things to worry about.
But isn't assimilating to the country a person is currently in considered as good manners? If I move to China or Japan, then I expect to assimilate to their culture and laws. Trying to make a foreign culture fit their beliefs is not being a good guest or inhabitant. It is the whole adage of "When in Rome do as the Romans do."
Actually, the sort of assimilation they're referencing isn't just to fit in by following their laws and reasonably fitting into their culture. I mean, in that case, you're still you, essentially, but you've adapted to fit in with some other group of people. Something like, for example, the Maquis crew integrating with the crew of Voyager. What they're referring to is essentially stripping away their very individuality, heritage, etc. and forcibly (sometimes brutally) turning them into "another textbook Canadian"; literally what the Borg do, just minus the technological implants.
But doesn't the Borg take the best parts of a society and integrate it into their own society. After all, they always use "Your biological and technological distinctiveness will be added to our own" quote before assimilating someone. Although, I can't recall a single example where the Borg showed that they incorporated biological distinctiveness into a Borg. It always seems to be technological distinctiveness.
With the trek plate frame, it should be obvious the guy isn't telling foreigners to assimilate. People who have nothing better to do that complain about a license plate really need to get psychological help or dropped off in a 3rd world country w/ no money to discover 1st hand that there are more important things to worry about.
But isn't assimilating to the country a person is currently in considered as good manners? If I move to China or Japan, then I expect to assimilate to their culture and laws. Trying to make a foreign culture fit their beliefs is not being a good guest or inhabitant. It is the whole adage of "When in Rome do as the Romans do."
Reminds me of when Tucker interfered with that mother and child on Rigel X in the Broken Bow episode. He forced his beliefs on an alien culture thinking that the mother was harming her child without realizing that she was helping her child until T'Pol informed Tucker of his mistake.
The Europeans didn't assimilate to the the indigenous peoples culture, they didn't follow the adage of "When in Rome do as the Romans do."
In fact the point of contention of the license plate is that it inadvertently represents the desire of a European foreign culture to force the native inhabitants to change. That is not being a good guest.
With the trek plate frame, it should be obvious the guy isn't telling foreigners to assimilate. People who have nothing better to do that complain about a license plate really need to get psychological help or dropped off in a 3rd world country w/ no money to discover 1st hand that there are more important things to worry about.
But isn't assimilating to the country a person is currently in considered as good manners? If I move to China or Japan, then I expect to assimilate to their culture and laws. Trying to make a foreign culture fit their beliefs is not being a good guest or inhabitant. It is the whole adage of "When in Rome do as the Romans do."
Actually, the sort of assimilation they're referencing isn't just to fit in by following their laws and reasonably fitting into their culture. I mean, in that case, you're still you, essentially, but you've adapted to fit in with some other group of people. Something like, for example, the Maquis crew integrating with the crew of Voyager. What they're referring to is essentially stripping away their very individuality, heritage, etc. and forcibly (sometimes brutally) turning them into "another textbook Canadian"; literally what the Borg do, just minus the technological implants.
But doesn't the Borg take the best parts of a society and integrate it into their own society. After all, they always use "Your biological and technological distinctiveness will be added to our own" quote before assimilating someone. Although, I can't recall a single example where the Borg showed that they incorporated biological distinctiveness into a Borg. It always seems to be technological distinctiveness.
By that logic, the Borg probably wouldn't be assimilating people by force, since every single race's view on "don't assimilate people" would probably take hold after just a few planets worth of assimilated people; unless, of course, assimilating people by force is actually the better or preferred method to pretty much everyone, which is an entirely different discussion in itself. Is the Federation one assimilation away from thinking assimilating people is their best option, or would it be more sensible to let the Borg assimilate the entire United Federation of Planets so they'll acquire their diplomatic qualities and stop assimilating others by force? Let them assimilate the Klingon Empire so the Borg become honorable? Etc., etc.
Winning.
It's what I do. It's what I just did. It's what I'm about to do again. It's being undisputed emperor of an empire that cannot be disproved as the most powerful intergalactic empire in the entire universe; I always win, and everything I've won will definitely be won again... by me. It's my signature move, and thus, it's my signature. Problem, Sonic? Yeah, I mean you, Sonic, because you're being beat up, despite your being super. You can't even hit Shadow back, can you? Nope, he's too strong for you. Of course, I'm not Shadow, I'm the Super Emerald fueled fox that's pulling the strings; trust me, the fight would only be a few frames long if I were in it personally. Oh, and here's something for all you guys thinking you can win Last Post Wins 3.0; trust me, I'll be around a long while after the sun has already consumed the Earth while I sit out with the forum servers on Titan. Yes, I mean Titan... that comparatively little moon orbiting Saturn. It's a nice little place in a version of our solar system where the sun is a lot bigger. I mean, Mars will last longer than your precious Earth, but by then, it'll be one hot planet... and I figure Saturn's moon will be about the right temperate for a super-powered warlord. Oh, and trust me, I packed a lot of rings, and I mean a lot. Trillions, in fact, so I'll never run out of rings to power my super form. Besides, if I start to run out, I can just chaos control more rings into my reach. It's quite easy, really. You should try it. Granted, you'll never have the 7 Super Emeralds that I have in my possession, nor the Master Emerald that I've got hidden away somewhere... absorbed into my body thanks to Sonic logic, but whatever. I win. Again. I'm not kidding, either. Just check Last Post Wins, and if the last post isn't mine, it soon will be. Very, very soon. You can count on it. Seriously. By the way, if you're wondering, there's a really great Super Tails sprite sheet out there... somewhere... by some guy named shadow_91. These sprites are really great. Like, really good. Quality. Just like what I like to see in a sprite sheet. Also, credit to Joe T.E., his Sonic Battle style Super Sonic sprites have a great palette for a Super Sonic being beat up by Super Shadow, who's palette is from a Super Shadow sheet of unknown origin, but it turns out they were "borrowed" from a better sheet made by a certain Domenico. Oh, and the gif is actually a custom made super version of a similar gif, of which there are only 3 or 4 copies to be found by Google, and even then, evidently of an unknown source. Yep, it's one of those things. Stuff people have made, spread around, only for it to vanish and you to be the only person who still has a copy, not even knowing where it came from... like, literally at all. Oh, and anyone notice that Shadow's little chaos snap blast thingies are red and blue now? Yeah, I changed it. Problem, fans of purple? Yeah, I know you got a problem with that one, but you can just deal with it. After all, according to all known laws of aviation, there is no way a bee should be able to fly... alright, alright, I'll spare you the entire Bee Movie script, just Google it if you want. By the way, ever wonder how your characters would've ended up if they evolved in another universe? Yeah, that. Think about it. Ok, so you probably didn't bother reading up to here, but whatever, here's a surprise for you guys over at ESD (RP) who were crazy enough to read this: Emperor Nat of the mcfreakin' Terran Empire is gonna be right all along! The universe is gonna go BOOM! *Thumbs up to the insanity*
Oh, now don't tell me you want in on all this! Well, ok. Look this that Egg Pawn hanging outside your window, pointing his laser rifle at you, waiting for my next order. He's doing his part. He helps conquer the weak-minded. He roboticizes the weak-bodied. Heck, he even helps keep the useless people from causing any trouble, but you know what? Join. Find the closest Nataran Empire roboticization center near you and join the ranks, before the ranks find you. Oh, I know, you figure it must be so satisfying to know I basically rule the world now, and you know what? It is, but do you want to know the true definition of satisfaction? Well, let me tell you a little story. One day, you see a brand new event. They're giving out boxes that give old event stuff. Your dilithium is plentiful. You buy a whole lot of Phoenix packs on your main, and open them all. You get one epic token. Then, you decide, that since you have all the Breen ships and don't give a damn about the others, you exchange it for an ultra rare, and grab yourself a Jem'Hadar Attack Ship and for the hell of it, a Voth Bulwark. You open both, leaving the Bulwark in your vast masses of starships as you jump into the bugship and deck it out, deck by deck, into the most awesome Jem'Hadar ship you can. You fly it. You enjoy it. Eventually, you get bored and leave, leaving the old Bulwark never flown... until later. Your main is long complete. Your new alt main, based off some character you pulled out of nothing just to explain away some starship being in service without the command of your dear admiral, is also complete. Mostly. Their reps and doffs are hard at work, getting you stuff. You realize the potential, and head back for your dear admiral, pull the most Voth themed build you can out of thin air, and suit up in your giant ship in the shape of you know what. You head out... and cause all sorts of havoc. Enemies scream out your name as their very life is drained away by your swarms of Aceton Assimilators. They complain to the devs of your OPness when you revive yourself from death every time you die. Do you show any form of mercy? No. After all, this isn't the United Federation of Planets, this is mother frakkin' Starfleet, where you explore strange new worlds and kick butt never kicked before. Oh, and you realize that I just wrote another speech rivaling your own signature. Cool. Oh, wait, that's just the original draft, it is part of my signature now. Oh, and yes, I am aware that I have become a Canadian Regent; one day, sooner than you'd expect, we'll suddenly decide to take over the world and declare an "alliance", and I shall become it's Regent. You know, like the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance in the mirror universe of our beloved Star Trek. Oh, who'll we be taking over with? I dunno, maybe [REDACTED], or maybe aliens from outer space. Guess you'll have to wait and find out, won't we? Until then, don't ask too many questions, or else my Breen allies on Titania might pick up on your -- [REDACTED BY BREEN CONFEDERACY FOR REASONS] Also, psst... keep an eye out for flying Tribbles! Also walls. Big, great walls, separating entire continents apart. Walls patrolled by Tribbles. Flying Tribbles. Flying Nukara Tribbles. Don't worry, it's not like they were on Venus with a herd of Tholians or anything, they just like the extreme heat and brutal weather like acid rain and hurricane force winds as the norm. Oh, and definitely keep your eye out on any two-tailed foxes, because if they ain't glowing, they're definitely an imposter. Possibly an Undine, we caught one of those once in my place once. Oh, and if you find a two-tailed fox that doesn't like the cold... most certainly ask him to say sorry. If he refuses, DESTROY HIM WITH A DOOMSDAY MACHINE, BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING ELSE THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH AGAINST SUCH AN OVERPOWERED IMPOSTER!
tr;dr, I am winning last post wins 3.0. Thank you for your time.
With the trek plate frame, it should be obvious the guy isn't telling foreigners to assimilate. People who have nothing better to do that complain about a license plate really need to get psychological help or dropped off in a 3rd world country w/ no money to discover 1st hand that there are more important things to worry about.
But isn't assimilating to the country a person is currently in considered as good manners? If I move to China or Japan, then I expect to assimilate to their culture and laws. Trying to make a foreign culture fit their beliefs is not being a good guest or inhabitant. It is the whole adage of "When in Rome do as the Romans do."
Reminds me of when Tucker interfered with that mother and child on Rigel X in the Broken Bow episode. He forced his beliefs on an alien culture thinking that the mother was harming her child without realizing that she was helping her child until T'Pol informed Tucker of his mistake.
The Europeans didn't assimilate to the the indigenous peoples culture, they didn't follow the adage of "When in Rome do as the Romans do."
In fact the point of contention of the license plate is that it inadvertently represents the desire of a European foreign culture to force the native inhabitants to change. That is not being a good guest.
The Europeans were strictly invaders so there is no point in following the "When in Rome" adage. In that case, it would be the "Might makes right" adage which unfortunately trumps all other adages.
The point of contention with the license plate is likely due to immigrants and not Aboriginal Canadians.
> @starkaos said: > admiralnat wrote: » > > starkaos wrote: » > > dracounguis wrote: » > > With the trek plate frame, it should be obvious the guy isn't telling foreigners to assimilate. People who have nothing better to do that complain about a license plate really need to get psychological help or dropped off in a 3rd world country w/ no money to discover 1st hand that there are more important things to worry about. > > > > > But isn't assimilating to the country a person is currently in considered as good manners? If I move to China or Japan, then I expect to assimilate to their culture and laws. Trying to make a foreign culture fit their beliefs is not being a good guest or inhabitant. It is the whole adage of "When in Rome do as the Romans do." > > > > > Actually, the sort of assimilation they're referencing isn't just to fit in by following their laws and reasonably fitting into their culture. I mean, in that case, you're still you, essentially, but you've adapted to fit in with some other group of people. Something like, for example, the Maquis crew integrating with the crew of Voyager. What they're referring to is essentially stripping away their very individuality, heritage, etc. and forcibly (sometimes brutally) turning them into "another textbook Canadian"; literally what the Borg do, just minus the technological implants. > > > > > > But doesn't the Borg take the best parts of a society and integrate it into their own society. After all, they always use "Your biological and technological distinctiveness will be added to our own" quote before assimilating someone. Although, I can't recall a single example where the Borg showed that they incorporated biological distinctiveness into a Borg. It always seems to be technological distinctiveness.
You left out the "your culture will adapt to service us" bit. At best, other than assimilating bodies, the Borg assimilates technological knowledge and what organics would consider military intelligence, and then only if it's something it doesn't already have and can use. Everything else it just overwrites. If the Borg actually assimilated cultures, it would've ceased to exist ages before it met the Federation: I'd be surprised if there was a single drone in its entire history that was there voluntarily.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
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You left out the "your culture will adapt to service us" bit. At best, other than assimilating bodies, the Borg assimilates technological knowledge and what organics would consider military intelligence, and then only if it's something it doesn't already have and can use. Everything else it just overwrites. If the Borg actually assimilated cultures, it would've ceased to exist ages before it met the Federation: I'd be surprised if there was a single drone in its entire history that was there voluntarily.
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Winning.
It's what I do. It's what I just did. It's what I'm about to do again. It's being undisputed emperor of an empire that cannot be disproved as the most powerful intergalactic empire in the entire universe; I always win, and everything I've won will definitely be won again... by me. It's my signature move, and thus, it's my signature. Problem, Sonic? Yeah, I mean you, Sonic, because you're being beat up, despite your being super. You can't even hit Shadow back, can you? Nope, he's too strong for you. Of course, I'm not Shadow, I'm the Super Emerald fueled fox that's pulling the strings; trust me, the fight would only be a few frames long if I were in it personally. Oh, and here's something for all you guys thinking you can win Last Post Wins 3.0; trust me, I'll be around a long while after the sun has already consumed the Earth while I sit out with the forum servers on Titan. Yes, I mean Titan... that comparatively little moon orbiting Saturn. It's a nice little place in a version of our solar system where the sun is a lot bigger. I mean, Mars will last longer than your precious Earth, but by then, it'll be one hot planet... and I figure Saturn's moon will be about the right temperate for a super-powered warlord. Oh, and trust me, I packed a lot of rings, and I mean a lot. Trillions, in fact, so I'll never run out of rings to power my super form. Besides, if I start to run out, I can just chaos control more rings into my reach. It's quite easy, really. You should try it. Granted, you'll never have the 7 Super Emeralds that I have in my possession, nor the Master Emerald that I've got hidden away somewhere... absorbed into my body thanks to Sonic logic, but whatever. I win. Again. I'm not kidding, either. Just check Last Post Wins, and if the last post isn't mine, it soon will be. Very, very soon. You can count on it. Seriously. By the way, if you're wondering, there's a really great Super Tails sprite sheet out there... somewhere... by some guy named shadow_91. These sprites are really great. Like, really good. Quality. Just like what I like to see in a sprite sheet. Also, credit to Joe T.E., his Sonic Battle style Super Sonic sprites have a great palette for a Super Sonic being beat up by Super Shadow, who's palette is from a Super Shadow sheet of unknown origin, but it turns out they were "borrowed" from a better sheet made by a certain Domenico. Oh, and the gif is actually a custom made super version of a similar gif, of which there are only 3 or 4 copies to be found by Google, and even then, evidently of an unknown source. Yep, it's one of those things. Stuff people have made, spread around, only for it to vanish and you to be the only person who still has a copy, not even knowing where it came from... like, literally at all. Oh, and anyone notice that Shadow's little chaos snap blast thingies are red and blue now? Yeah, I changed it. Problem, fans of purple? Yeah, I know you got a problem with that one, but you can just deal with it. After all, according to all known laws of aviation, there is no way a bee should be able to fly... alright, alright, I'll spare you the entire Bee Movie script, just Google it if you want. By the way, ever wonder how your characters would've ended up if they evolved in another universe? Yeah, that. Think about it. Ok, so you probably didn't bother reading up to here, but whatever, here's a surprise for you guys over at ESD (RP) who were crazy enough to read this: Emperor Nat of the mcfreakin' Terran Empire is gonna be right all along! The universe is gonna go BOOM! *Thumbs up to the insanity*
Oh, now don't tell me you want in on all this! Well, ok. Look this that Egg Pawn hanging outside your window, pointing his laser rifle at you, waiting for my next order. He's doing his part. He helps conquer the weak-minded. He roboticizes the weak-bodied. Heck, he even helps keep the useless people from causing any trouble, but you know what? Join. Find the closest Nataran Empire roboticization center near you and join the ranks, before the ranks find you. Oh, I know, you figure it must be so satisfying to know I basically rule the world now, and you know what? It is, but do you want to know the true definition of satisfaction? Well, let me tell you a little story. One day, you see a brand new event. They're giving out boxes that give old event stuff. Your dilithium is plentiful. You buy a whole lot of Phoenix packs on your main, and open them all. You get one epic token. Then, you decide, that since you have all the Breen ships and don't give a damn about the others, you exchange it for an ultra rare, and grab yourself a Jem'Hadar Attack Ship and for the hell of it, a Voth Bulwark. You open both, leaving the Bulwark in your vast masses of starships as you jump into the bugship and deck it out, deck by deck, into the most awesome Jem'Hadar ship you can. You fly it. You enjoy it. Eventually, you get bored and leave, leaving the old Bulwark never flown... until later. Your main is long complete. Your new alt main, based off some character you pulled out of nothing just to explain away some starship being in service without the command of your dear admiral, is also complete. Mostly. Their reps and doffs are hard at work, getting you stuff. You realize the potential, and head back for your dear admiral, pull the most Voth themed build you can out of thin air, and suit up in your giant ship in the shape of you know what. You head out... and cause all sorts of havoc. Enemies scream out your name as their very life is drained away by your swarms of Aceton Assimilators. They complain to the devs of your OPness when you revive yourself from death every time you die. Do you show any form of mercy? No. After all, this isn't the United Federation of Planets, this is mother frakkin' Starfleet, where you explore strange new worlds and kick butt never kicked before. Oh, and you realize that I just wrote another speech rivaling your own signature. Cool. Oh, wait, that's just the original draft, it is part of my signature now. Oh, and yes, I am aware that I have become a Canadian Regent; one day, sooner than you'd expect, we'll suddenly decide to take over the world and declare an "alliance", and I shall become it's Regent. You know, like the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance in the mirror universe of our beloved Star Trek. Oh, who'll we be taking over with? I dunno, maybe [REDACTED], or maybe aliens from outer space. Guess you'll have to wait and find out, won't we? Until then, don't ask too many questions, or else my Breen allies on Titania might pick up on your -- [REDACTED BY BREEN CONFEDERACY FOR REASONS] Also, psst... keep an eye out for flying Tribbles! Also walls. Big, great walls, separating entire continents apart. Walls patrolled by Tribbles. Flying Tribbles. Flying Nukara Tribbles. Don't worry, it's not like they were on Venus with a herd of Tholians or anything, they just like the extreme heat and brutal weather like acid rain and hurricane force winds as the norm. Oh, and definitely keep your eye out on any two-tailed foxes, because if they ain't glowing, they're definitely an imposter. Possibly an Undine, we caught one of those once in my place once. Oh, and if you find a two-tailed fox that doesn't like the cold... most certainly ask him to say sorry. If he refuses, DESTROY HIM WITH A DOOMSDAY MACHINE, BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING ELSE THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH AGAINST SUCH AN OVERPOWERED IMPOSTER!
tr;dr, I am winning last post wins 3.0. Thank you for your time.
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You left out the "your culture will adapt to service us" bit. At best, other than assimilating bodies, the Borg assimilates technological knowledge and what organics would consider military intelligence, and then only if it's something it doesn't already have and can use. Everything else it just overwrites. If the Borg actually assimilated cultures, it would've ceased to exist ages before it met the Federation: I'd be surprised if there was a single drone in its entire history that was there voluntarily.
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...heh, gotta love -ism they....wait, no I dont, i dont live there i can think how I want! lol
With the trek plate frame, it should be obvious the guy isn't telling foreigners to assimilate. People who have nothing better to do that complain about a license plate really need to get psychological help or dropped off in a 3rd world country w/ no money to discover 1st hand that there are more important things to worry about.
But isn't assimilating to the country a person is currently in considered as good manners? If I move to China or Japan, then I expect to assimilate to their culture and laws. Trying to make a foreign culture fit their beliefs is not being a good guest or inhabitant. It is the whole adage of "When in Rome do as the Romans do."
Reminds me of when Tucker interfered with that mother and child on Rigel X in the Broken Bow episode. He forced his beliefs on an alien culture thinking that the mother was harming her child without realizing that she was helping her child until T'Pol informed Tucker of his mistake.
The Europeans didn't assimilate to the the indigenous peoples culture, they didn't follow the adage of "When in Rome do as the Romans do."
In fact the point of contention of the license plate is that it inadvertently represents the desire of a European foreign culture to force the native inhabitants to change. That is not being a good guest.
The Europeans were strictly invaders so there is no point in following the "When in Rome" adage. In that case, it would be the "Might makes right" adage which unfortunately trumps all other adages.
The point of contention with the license plate is likely due to immigrants and not Aboriginal Canadians.
Oh, no, it's entirely to do with treatment of First Nations folks by the Dominion of Canada. "Assimilation" has a certain emotional connotation in Canada that it doesn't carry in the States, due to the fact that until the Residential Schools were closed, "assimilation" there meant "destruction of the native culture, ways, and language in favor of the culture of the invading Europeans".
And again, for those who think this is a matter of the distant past, the last of the Schools didn't close until twenty-one years ago.
You left out the "your culture will adapt to service us" bit. At best, other than assimilating bodies, the Borg assimilates technological knowledge and what organics would consider military intelligence, and then only if it's something it doesn't already have and can use. Everything else it just overwrites. If the Borg actually assimilated cultures, it would've ceased to exist ages before it met the Federation: I'd be surprised if there was a single drone in its entire history that was there voluntarily.
Just seems like an odd phrasing considering that the assimilated culture ceases to exist. It fits better with the Klingon Empire since the conquered culture still exists, but has adapted to serve the Klingon Empire.
The Borg might have originally been designed as a race that incorporates alien technology and DNA into their own technology and bodies, but later Borg episodes stripped away the biological portion of assimilation. If assimilation involved a biological and technological component, then Seven of Nine would no longer be a human female with a bunch of Borg implants, but a Borg that has regained her freedom. After all, there are quite a few biological enhancements that the Borg would have likely assimilated like empathy, telepathy, redundant organs, and other enhancements if there was a biological component to assimilation.
With the trek plate frame, it should be obvious the guy isn't telling foreigners to assimilate. People who have nothing better to do that complain about a license plate really need to get psychological help or dropped off in a 3rd world country w/ no money to discover 1st hand that there are more important things to worry about.
But isn't assimilating to the country a person is currently in considered as good manners? If I move to China or Japan, then I expect to assimilate to their culture and laws. Trying to make a foreign culture fit their beliefs is not being a good guest or inhabitant. It is the whole adage of "When in Rome do as the Romans do."
Reminds me of when Tucker interfered with that mother and child on Rigel X in the Broken Bow episode. He forced his beliefs on an alien culture thinking that the mother was harming her child without realizing that she was helping her child until T'Pol informed Tucker of his mistake.
The Europeans didn't assimilate to the the indigenous peoples culture, they didn't follow the adage of "When in Rome do as the Romans do."
In fact the point of contention of the license plate is that it inadvertently represents the desire of a European foreign culture to force the native inhabitants to change. That is not being a good guest.
The Europeans were strictly invaders so there is no point in following the "When in Rome" adage. In that case, it would be the "Might makes right" adage which unfortunately trumps all other adages.
The point of contention with the license plate is likely due to immigrants and not Aboriginal Canadians.
Oh, no, it's entirely to do with treatment of First Nations folks by the Dominion of Canada. "Assimilation" has a certain emotional connotation in Canada that it doesn't carry in the States, due to the fact that until the Residential Schools were closed, "assimilation" there meant "destruction of the native culture, ways, and language in favor of the culture of the invading Europeans".
And again, for those who think this is a matter of the distant past, the last of the Schools didn't close until twenty-one years ago.
It depends on who made the original complaint. Since we don't have evidence of who made the original complaint and there are more immigrants compared to Aboriginals in cities, then it is likely an immigrant made the original complaint.
Oh, no, it's entirely to do with treatment of First Nations folks by the Dominion of Canada. "Assimilation" has a certain emotional connotation in Canada that it doesn't carry in the States, due to the fact that until the Residential Schools were closed, "assimilation" there meant "destruction of the native culture, ways, and language in favor of the culture of the invading Europeans".
And again, for those who think this is a matter of the distant past, the last of the Schools didn't close until twenty-one years ago.
I see. I havent kept up with the local in Canada. Its a shame they are doing that to them too. Social media has a ton of caption based jabs at the US while using a photo of an Indian. So I understand the annoyance it can cause when someone tries to rock the boat with old disputes. History isnt always pretty but if you have something thats working in place theres no reason to tear it down.
I am Lakota (aka Sioux), from the Midwest USA, we had our own version of the "residential schools" here. My grandmother was in one, a place where the staff was later found to have abused, ****, and sometimes killed children under their "care". That said, this story is as much a stupid overreation as the parent who called the police because a kid came to school dressed as Darth Vader today.
... ok, I get someone not knowing what the Borg are, but who in the hell doesn't know who Darth Vader is!?
I am Lakota (aka Sioux), from the Midwest USA, we had our own version of the "residential schools" here. My grandmother was in one, a place where the staff was later found to have abused, ****, and sometimes killed children under their "care". That said, this story is as much a stupid overreation as the parent who called the police because a kid came to school dressed as Darth Vader today.
...ok, I get someone not knowing what the Borg are, but who in the hell doesn't know who Darth Vader is!?
How the heck do you justify complaining that a kid went dressed as Darth Vader?
Winning.
It's what I do. It's what I just did. It's what I'm about to do again. It's being undisputed emperor of an empire that cannot be disproved as the most powerful intergalactic empire in the entire universe; I always win, and everything I've won will definitely be won again... by me. It's my signature move, and thus, it's my signature. Problem, Sonic? Yeah, I mean you, Sonic, because you're being beat up, despite your being super. You can't even hit Shadow back, can you? Nope, he's too strong for you. Of course, I'm not Shadow, I'm the Super Emerald fueled fox that's pulling the strings; trust me, the fight would only be a few frames long if I were in it personally. Oh, and here's something for all you guys thinking you can win Last Post Wins 3.0; trust me, I'll be around a long while after the sun has already consumed the Earth while I sit out with the forum servers on Titan. Yes, I mean Titan... that comparatively little moon orbiting Saturn. It's a nice little place in a version of our solar system where the sun is a lot bigger. I mean, Mars will last longer than your precious Earth, but by then, it'll be one hot planet... and I figure Saturn's moon will be about the right temperate for a super-powered warlord. Oh, and trust me, I packed a lot of rings, and I mean a lot. Trillions, in fact, so I'll never run out of rings to power my super form. Besides, if I start to run out, I can just chaos control more rings into my reach. It's quite easy, really. You should try it. Granted, you'll never have the 7 Super Emeralds that I have in my possession, nor the Master Emerald that I've got hidden away somewhere... absorbed into my body thanks to Sonic logic, but whatever. I win. Again. I'm not kidding, either. Just check Last Post Wins, and if the last post isn't mine, it soon will be. Very, very soon. You can count on it. Seriously. By the way, if you're wondering, there's a really great Super Tails sprite sheet out there... somewhere... by some guy named shadow_91. These sprites are really great. Like, really good. Quality. Just like what I like to see in a sprite sheet. Also, credit to Joe T.E., his Sonic Battle style Super Sonic sprites have a great palette for a Super Sonic being beat up by Super Shadow, who's palette is from a Super Shadow sheet of unknown origin, but it turns out they were "borrowed" from a better sheet made by a certain Domenico. Oh, and the gif is actually a custom made super version of a similar gif, of which there are only 3 or 4 copies to be found by Google, and even then, evidently of an unknown source. Yep, it's one of those things. Stuff people have made, spread around, only for it to vanish and you to be the only person who still has a copy, not even knowing where it came from... like, literally at all. Oh, and anyone notice that Shadow's little chaos snap blast thingies are red and blue now? Yeah, I changed it. Problem, fans of purple? Yeah, I know you got a problem with that one, but you can just deal with it. After all, according to all known laws of aviation, there is no way a bee should be able to fly... alright, alright, I'll spare you the entire Bee Movie script, just Google it if you want. By the way, ever wonder how your characters would've ended up if they evolved in another universe? Yeah, that. Think about it. Ok, so you probably didn't bother reading up to here, but whatever, here's a surprise for you guys over at ESD (RP) who were crazy enough to read this: Emperor Nat of the mcfreakin' Terran Empire is gonna be right all along! The universe is gonna go BOOM! *Thumbs up to the insanity*
Oh, now don't tell me you want in on all this! Well, ok. Look this that Egg Pawn hanging outside your window, pointing his laser rifle at you, waiting for my next order. He's doing his part. He helps conquer the weak-minded. He roboticizes the weak-bodied. Heck, he even helps keep the useless people from causing any trouble, but you know what? Join. Find the closest Nataran Empire roboticization center near you and join the ranks, before the ranks find you. Oh, I know, you figure it must be so satisfying to know I basically rule the world now, and you know what? It is, but do you want to know the true definition of satisfaction? Well, let me tell you a little story. One day, you see a brand new event. They're giving out boxes that give old event stuff. Your dilithium is plentiful. You buy a whole lot of Phoenix packs on your main, and open them all. You get one epic token. Then, you decide, that since you have all the Breen ships and don't give a damn about the others, you exchange it for an ultra rare, and grab yourself a Jem'Hadar Attack Ship and for the hell of it, a Voth Bulwark. You open both, leaving the Bulwark in your vast masses of starships as you jump into the bugship and deck it out, deck by deck, into the most awesome Jem'Hadar ship you can. You fly it. You enjoy it. Eventually, you get bored and leave, leaving the old Bulwark never flown... until later. Your main is long complete. Your new alt main, based off some character you pulled out of nothing just to explain away some starship being in service without the command of your dear admiral, is also complete. Mostly. Their reps and doffs are hard at work, getting you stuff. You realize the potential, and head back for your dear admiral, pull the most Voth themed build you can out of thin air, and suit up in your giant ship in the shape of you know what. You head out... and cause all sorts of havoc. Enemies scream out your name as their very life is drained away by your swarms of Aceton Assimilators. They complain to the devs of your OPness when you revive yourself from death every time you die. Do you show any form of mercy? No. After all, this isn't the United Federation of Planets, this is mother frakkin' Starfleet, where you explore strange new worlds and kick butt never kicked before. Oh, and you realize that I just wrote another speech rivaling your own signature. Cool. Oh, wait, that's just the original draft, it is part of my signature now. Oh, and yes, I am aware that I have become a Canadian Regent; one day, sooner than you'd expect, we'll suddenly decide to take over the world and declare an "alliance", and I shall become it's Regent. You know, like the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance in the mirror universe of our beloved Star Trek. Oh, who'll we be taking over with? I dunno, maybe [REDACTED], or maybe aliens from outer space. Guess you'll have to wait and find out, won't we? Until then, don't ask too many questions, or else my Breen allies on Titania might pick up on your -- [REDACTED BY BREEN CONFEDERACY FOR REASONS] Also, psst... keep an eye out for flying Tribbles! Also walls. Big, great walls, separating entire continents apart. Walls patrolled by Tribbles. Flying Tribbles. Flying Nukara Tribbles. Don't worry, it's not like they were on Venus with a herd of Tholians or anything, they just like the extreme heat and brutal weather like acid rain and hurricane force winds as the norm. Oh, and definitely keep your eye out on any two-tailed foxes, because if they ain't glowing, they're definitely an imposter. Possibly an Undine, we caught one of those once in my place once. Oh, and if you find a two-tailed fox that doesn't like the cold... most certainly ask him to say sorry. If he refuses, DESTROY HIM WITH A DOOMSDAY MACHINE, BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING ELSE THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH AGAINST SUCH AN OVERPOWERED IMPOSTER!
tr;dr, I am winning last post wins 3.0. Thank you for your time.
I am Lakota (aka Sioux), from the Midwest USA, we had our own version of the "residential schools" here. My grandmother was in one, a place where the staff was later found to have abused, ****, and sometimes killed children under their "care". That said, this story is as much a stupid overreation as the parent who called the police because a kid came to school dressed as Darth Vader today.
...ok, I get someone not knowing what the Borg are, but who in the hell doesn't know who Darth Vader is!?
How the heck do you justify complaining that a kid went dressed as Darth Vader?
If it was only a "ASIMIL8" and the guy was a known redneck hating foreigners and posting hateful tweets, I would understand why someone would want to punish him.
But jeez, there is "We are the Borg" and "Resistance is futile" sandwiching this plate. That basically shows it's a reference to something even if you don't know the show (though 10 seconds of Google will give you the answer).
What next?
Someone is gonna get arrested for having a "May the Force be with you" sticker because someone found it insulting to their religion?
> @saurializard said: > If it was only a "ASIMIL8" and the guy was a known redneck hating foreigners and posting hateful tweets, I would understand why someone would want to punish him. > But jeez, there is "We are the Borg" and "Resistance is futile" sandwiching this plate. That basically shows it's a reference to something even if you don't know the show (though 10 seconds of Google will give you the answer). > > What next? > Someone is gonna get arrested for having a "May the Force be with you" sticker because someone found it insulting to their religion?
Context. If "The Force" (for example) would have been the name of a historically fascist regime that committed atrocities in that region you'd have the same reaction by a government agency. I know it is easy to just complain but sometimes it requires a bit more thought.
(Edit: changed the mobile quote to a real one Edit2: Aaand back again. I do not get this stupid forum software)
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^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
> @saurializard said:
> If it was only a "ASIMIL8" and the guy was a known redneck hating foreigners and posting hateful tweets, I would understand why someone would want to punish him.
> But jeez, there is "We are the Borg" and "Resistance is futile" sandwiching this plate. That basically shows it's a reference to something even if you don't know the show (though 10 seconds of Google will give you the answer).
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> Someone is gonna get arrested for having a "May the Force be with you" sticker because someone found it insulting to their religion?
Context. If "The Force" (for example) would have been the name of a historically fascist regime that committed atrocities in that region you'd have the same reaction by a government agency. I know it is easy to just complain but sometimes it requires a bit more thought.
"redneck hating foreigners" how can people finger point about others hate while issuing their own?? People are so worried about walls these days as negative, yet, they cant see their own.
...i think if everyone had a cat to love, there would be world peace! : 3
Context.
If "The Force" (for example) would have been the name of a historically fascist regime that committed atrocities in that region you'd have the same reaction by a government agency. I know it is easy to just complain but sometimes it requires a bit more thought.
And if Targ was a genocidal party that nearly destroyed France, should I, as a French, be allowed to tell you to get rid of your username?
Apparently, I'd probably be allowed to and maybe even win, but I wouldn't do it. Because seeing the beast and the context of its use, I'd know it's about the fictional "pet", not the party.
Once again, context, as you say. One side sees a context while the other one sees another. Who is right, who is wrong? Are they both right? Are they both wrong?
Or how about that one: There is an Egyptian exhibition happening in Nice, France. At one stand is a statue glorifying Isis. Is it right to complain about this considering the allegiance of the murderer from last year's attack?
Plus, this case brings an interesting thing: can a concept with multiple meanings be considered offensive if the context isn't what you think it is?
> @saurializard said: > And if Targ was a genocidal party that nearly destroyed France, should I, as a French, be allowed to tell you to get rid of your username? > Apparently, I'd probably be allowed to and maybe even win, but I wouldn't do it. Because seeing the beast and the context of its use, I'd know it's about the fictional "pet", not the party. > Once again, context, as you say. One side sees a context while the other one sees another. Who is right, who is wrong? Are they both right? Are they both wrong? > > Or how about that one: There is an Egyptian exhibition happening in Nice, France. At one stand is a statue glorifying Isis. Is it right to complain about this considering the allegiance of the murderer from last year's attack? > > Plus, this case brings an interesting thing: can a concept with multiple meanings be considered offensive if the context isn't what you think it is?
You are leavimg out the integral part of this story. In the OPs cited case it's about the license plate. This is not private but government property. The "assimilation plan" was executed by the government and caused suffering to natives for decades. This is why the government today doesn't want to issue a license plate carrying sovereign insignia displayimg a term regionally strongly tied to historical atrocities. The hypothetical scenarios you brought fore are not in the same category as the OPs case. This is not about private persons offending each other over sensibilities.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
> @saurializard said: > Or how about that one: There is an Egyptian exhibition happening in Nice, France. At one stand is a statue glorifying Isis. Is it right to complain about this considering the allegiance of the murderer from last year's attack?
Bad example: the organization's name is properly ad-Dawlah al-Islāmiyah fī 'l-ʿIrāq wa-sh-Shām, or Da'ish for short.* It only happens to coincide with that goddess's name when translated into English: in French the name is something else entirely.
A better example would be the swastika, which as an innocent religious or dynastic symbol predates you-know-who by centuries: it's considered sacred and auspicious in Indian religions such as Buddhism, and Finland briefly used it in blue as the insignia of their air force during the Winter War because it was part of the coat-of-arms of the aristocrat who bought the planes. But three guesses what a Westerner thinks of first when they see one.
* Which happens to be close to an Arabic word meaning "to trample underfoot", hence the group hates that name, hence I and many others use it over any other name because, seriously, TRIBBLE those guys.
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Oh, now don't tell me you want in on all this! Well, ok. Look this that Egg Pawn hanging outside your window, pointing his laser rifle at you, waiting for my next order. He's doing his part. He helps conquer the weak-minded. He roboticizes the weak-bodied. Heck, he even helps keep the useless people from causing any trouble, but you know what? Join. Find the closest Nataran Empire roboticization center near you and join the ranks, before the ranks find you. Oh, I know, you figure it must be so satisfying to know I basically rule the world now, and you know what? It is, but do you want to know the true definition of satisfaction? Well, let me tell you a little story. One day, you see a brand new event. They're giving out boxes that give old event stuff. Your dilithium is plentiful. You buy a whole lot of Phoenix packs on your main, and open them all. You get one epic token. Then, you decide, that since you have all the Breen ships and don't give a damn about the others, you exchange it for an ultra rare, and grab yourself a Jem'Hadar Attack Ship and for the hell of it, a Voth Bulwark. You open both, leaving the Bulwark in your vast masses of starships as you jump into the bugship and deck it out, deck by deck, into the most awesome Jem'Hadar ship you can. You fly it. You enjoy it. Eventually, you get bored and leave, leaving the old Bulwark never flown... until later. Your main is long complete. Your new alt main, based off some character you pulled out of nothing just to explain away some starship being in service without the command of your dear admiral, is also complete. Mostly. Their reps and doffs are hard at work, getting you stuff. You realize the potential, and head back for your dear admiral, pull the most Voth themed build you can out of thin air, and suit up in your giant ship in the shape of you know what. You head out... and cause all sorts of havoc. Enemies scream out your name as their very life is drained away by your swarms of Aceton Assimilators. They complain to the devs of your OPness when you revive yourself from death every time you die. Do you show any form of mercy? No. After all, this isn't the United Federation of Planets, this is mother frakkin' Starfleet, where you explore strange new worlds and kick butt never kicked before. Oh, and you realize that I just wrote another speech rivaling your own signature. Cool. Oh, wait, that's just the original draft, it is part of my signature now. Oh, and yes, I am aware that I have become a Canadian Regent; one day, sooner than you'd expect, we'll suddenly decide to take over the world and declare an "alliance", and I shall become it's Regent. You know, like the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance in the mirror universe of our beloved Star Trek. Oh, who'll we be taking over with? I dunno, maybe [REDACTED], or maybe aliens from outer space. Guess you'll have to wait and find out, won't we? Until then, don't ask too many questions, or else my Breen allies on Titania might pick up on your -- [REDACTED BY BREEN CONFEDERACY FOR REASONS] Also, psst... keep an eye out for flying Tribbles! Also walls. Big, great walls, separating entire continents apart. Walls patrolled by Tribbles. Flying Tribbles. Flying Nukara Tribbles. Don't worry, it's not like they were on Venus with a herd of Tholians or anything, they just like the extreme heat and brutal weather like acid rain and hurricane force winds as the norm. Oh, and definitely keep your eye out on any two-tailed foxes, because if they ain't glowing, they're definitely an imposter. Possibly an Undine, we caught one of those once in my place once. Oh, and if you find a two-tailed fox that doesn't like the cold... most certainly ask him to say sorry. If he refuses, DESTROY HIM WITH A DOOMSDAY MACHINE, BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING ELSE THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH AGAINST SUCH AN OVERPOWERED IMPOSTER!
tr;dr, I am winning last post wins 3.0. Thank you for your time.
All I can say is,
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Got a great big laugh from nearly everyone within earshot.
Their also canadian..CANAAADIAAAAN!! lol
But doesn't the Borg take the best parts of a society and integrate it into their own society. After all, they always use "Your biological and technological distinctiveness will be added to our own" quote before assimilating someone. Although, I can't recall a single example where the Borg showed that they incorporated biological distinctiveness into a Borg. It always seems to be technological distinctiveness.
The Europeans didn't assimilate to the the indigenous peoples culture, they didn't follow the adage of "When in Rome do as the Romans do."
In fact the point of contention of the license plate is that it inadvertently represents the desire of a European foreign culture to force the native inhabitants to change. That is not being a good guest.
Winning.
Oh, now don't tell me you want in on all this! Well, ok. Look this that Egg Pawn hanging outside your window, pointing his laser rifle at you, waiting for my next order. He's doing his part. He helps conquer the weak-minded. He roboticizes the weak-bodied. Heck, he even helps keep the useless people from causing any trouble, but you know what? Join. Find the closest Nataran Empire roboticization center near you and join the ranks, before the ranks find you. Oh, I know, you figure it must be so satisfying to know I basically rule the world now, and you know what? It is, but do you want to know the true definition of satisfaction? Well, let me tell you a little story. One day, you see a brand new event. They're giving out boxes that give old event stuff. Your dilithium is plentiful. You buy a whole lot of Phoenix packs on your main, and open them all. You get one epic token. Then, you decide, that since you have all the Breen ships and don't give a damn about the others, you exchange it for an ultra rare, and grab yourself a Jem'Hadar Attack Ship and for the hell of it, a Voth Bulwark. You open both, leaving the Bulwark in your vast masses of starships as you jump into the bugship and deck it out, deck by deck, into the most awesome Jem'Hadar ship you can. You fly it. You enjoy it. Eventually, you get bored and leave, leaving the old Bulwark never flown... until later. Your main is long complete. Your new alt main, based off some character you pulled out of nothing just to explain away some starship being in service without the command of your dear admiral, is also complete. Mostly. Their reps and doffs are hard at work, getting you stuff. You realize the potential, and head back for your dear admiral, pull the most Voth themed build you can out of thin air, and suit up in your giant ship in the shape of you know what. You head out... and cause all sorts of havoc. Enemies scream out your name as their very life is drained away by your swarms of Aceton Assimilators. They complain to the devs of your OPness when you revive yourself from death every time you die. Do you show any form of mercy? No. After all, this isn't the United Federation of Planets, this is mother frakkin' Starfleet, where you explore strange new worlds and kick butt never kicked before. Oh, and you realize that I just wrote another speech rivaling your own signature. Cool. Oh, wait, that's just the original draft, it is part of my signature now. Oh, and yes, I am aware that I have become a Canadian Regent; one day, sooner than you'd expect, we'll suddenly decide to take over the world and declare an "alliance", and I shall become it's Regent. You know, like the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance in the mirror universe of our beloved Star Trek. Oh, who'll we be taking over with? I dunno, maybe [REDACTED], or maybe aliens from outer space. Guess you'll have to wait and find out, won't we? Until then, don't ask too many questions, or else my Breen allies on Titania might pick up on your -- [REDACTED BY BREEN CONFEDERACY FOR REASONS] Also, psst... keep an eye out for flying Tribbles! Also walls. Big, great walls, separating entire continents apart. Walls patrolled by Tribbles. Flying Tribbles. Flying Nukara Tribbles. Don't worry, it's not like they were on Venus with a herd of Tholians or anything, they just like the extreme heat and brutal weather like acid rain and hurricane force winds as the norm. Oh, and definitely keep your eye out on any two-tailed foxes, because if they ain't glowing, they're definitely an imposter. Possibly an Undine, we caught one of those once in my place once. Oh, and if you find a two-tailed fox that doesn't like the cold... most certainly ask him to say sorry. If he refuses, DESTROY HIM WITH A DOOMSDAY MACHINE, BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING ELSE THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH AGAINST SUCH AN OVERPOWERED IMPOSTER!
tr;dr, I am winning last post wins 3.0. Thank you for your time.
The Europeans were strictly invaders so there is no point in following the "When in Rome" adage. In that case, it would be the "Might makes right" adage which unfortunately trumps all other adages.
The point of contention with the license plate is likely due to immigrants and not Aboriginal Canadians.
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You left out the "your culture will adapt to service us" bit. At best, other than assimilating bodies, the Borg assimilates technological knowledge and what organics would consider military intelligence, and then only if it's something it doesn't already have and can use. Everything else it just overwrites. If the Borg actually assimilated cultures, it would've ceased to exist ages before it met the Federation: I'd be surprised if there was a single drone in its entire history that was there voluntarily.
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Winning.
Oh, now don't tell me you want in on all this! Well, ok. Look this that Egg Pawn hanging outside your window, pointing his laser rifle at you, waiting for my next order. He's doing his part. He helps conquer the weak-minded. He roboticizes the weak-bodied. Heck, he even helps keep the useless people from causing any trouble, but you know what? Join. Find the closest Nataran Empire roboticization center near you and join the ranks, before the ranks find you. Oh, I know, you figure it must be so satisfying to know I basically rule the world now, and you know what? It is, but do you want to know the true definition of satisfaction? Well, let me tell you a little story. One day, you see a brand new event. They're giving out boxes that give old event stuff. Your dilithium is plentiful. You buy a whole lot of Phoenix packs on your main, and open them all. You get one epic token. Then, you decide, that since you have all the Breen ships and don't give a damn about the others, you exchange it for an ultra rare, and grab yourself a Jem'Hadar Attack Ship and for the hell of it, a Voth Bulwark. You open both, leaving the Bulwark in your vast masses of starships as you jump into the bugship and deck it out, deck by deck, into the most awesome Jem'Hadar ship you can. You fly it. You enjoy it. Eventually, you get bored and leave, leaving the old Bulwark never flown... until later. Your main is long complete. Your new alt main, based off some character you pulled out of nothing just to explain away some starship being in service without the command of your dear admiral, is also complete. Mostly. Their reps and doffs are hard at work, getting you stuff. You realize the potential, and head back for your dear admiral, pull the most Voth themed build you can out of thin air, and suit up in your giant ship in the shape of you know what. You head out... and cause all sorts of havoc. Enemies scream out your name as their very life is drained away by your swarms of Aceton Assimilators. They complain to the devs of your OPness when you revive yourself from death every time you die. Do you show any form of mercy? No. After all, this isn't the United Federation of Planets, this is mother frakkin' Starfleet, where you explore strange new worlds and kick butt never kicked before. Oh, and you realize that I just wrote another speech rivaling your own signature. Cool. Oh, wait, that's just the original draft, it is part of my signature now. Oh, and yes, I am aware that I have become a Canadian Regent; one day, sooner than you'd expect, we'll suddenly decide to take over the world and declare an "alliance", and I shall become it's Regent. You know, like the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance in the mirror universe of our beloved Star Trek. Oh, who'll we be taking over with? I dunno, maybe [REDACTED], or maybe aliens from outer space. Guess you'll have to wait and find out, won't we? Until then, don't ask too many questions, or else my Breen allies on Titania might pick up on your -- [REDACTED BY BREEN CONFEDERACY FOR REASONS] Also, psst... keep an eye out for flying Tribbles! Also walls. Big, great walls, separating entire continents apart. Walls patrolled by Tribbles. Flying Tribbles. Flying Nukara Tribbles. Don't worry, it's not like they were on Venus with a herd of Tholians or anything, they just like the extreme heat and brutal weather like acid rain and hurricane force winds as the norm. Oh, and definitely keep your eye out on any two-tailed foxes, because if they ain't glowing, they're definitely an imposter. Possibly an Undine, we caught one of those once in my place once. Oh, and if you find a two-tailed fox that doesn't like the cold... most certainly ask him to say sorry. If he refuses, DESTROY HIM WITH A DOOMSDAY MACHINE, BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING ELSE THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH AGAINST SUCH AN OVERPOWERED IMPOSTER!
tr;dr, I am winning last post wins 3.0. Thank you for your time.
...heh, gotta love -ism they....wait, no I dont, i dont live there i can think how I want! lol
And again, for those who think this is a matter of the distant past, the last of the Schools didn't close until twenty-one years ago.
Just seems like an odd phrasing considering that the assimilated culture ceases to exist. It fits better with the Klingon Empire since the conquered culture still exists, but has adapted to serve the Klingon Empire.
The Borg might have originally been designed as a race that incorporates alien technology and DNA into their own technology and bodies, but later Borg episodes stripped away the biological portion of assimilation. If assimilation involved a biological and technological component, then Seven of Nine would no longer be a human female with a bunch of Borg implants, but a Borg that has regained her freedom. After all, there are quite a few biological enhancements that the Borg would have likely assimilated like empathy, telepathy, redundant organs, and other enhancements if there was a biological component to assimilation.
It depends on who made the original complaint. Since we don't have evidence of who made the original complaint and there are more immigrants compared to Aboriginals in cities, then it is likely an immigrant made the original complaint.
I see. I havent kept up with the local in Canada. Its a shame they are doing that to them too. Social media has a ton of caption based jabs at the US while using a photo of an Indian. So I understand the annoyance it can cause when someone tries to rock the boat with old disputes. History isnt always pretty but if you have something thats working in place theres no reason to tear it down.
... ok, I get someone not knowing what the Borg are, but who in the hell doesn't know who Darth Vader is!?
How the heck do you justify complaining that a kid went dressed as Darth Vader?
Winning.
Oh, now don't tell me you want in on all this! Well, ok. Look this that Egg Pawn hanging outside your window, pointing his laser rifle at you, waiting for my next order. He's doing his part. He helps conquer the weak-minded. He roboticizes the weak-bodied. Heck, he even helps keep the useless people from causing any trouble, but you know what? Join. Find the closest Nataran Empire roboticization center near you and join the ranks, before the ranks find you. Oh, I know, you figure it must be so satisfying to know I basically rule the world now, and you know what? It is, but do you want to know the true definition of satisfaction? Well, let me tell you a little story. One day, you see a brand new event. They're giving out boxes that give old event stuff. Your dilithium is plentiful. You buy a whole lot of Phoenix packs on your main, and open them all. You get one epic token. Then, you decide, that since you have all the Breen ships and don't give a damn about the others, you exchange it for an ultra rare, and grab yourself a Jem'Hadar Attack Ship and for the hell of it, a Voth Bulwark. You open both, leaving the Bulwark in your vast masses of starships as you jump into the bugship and deck it out, deck by deck, into the most awesome Jem'Hadar ship you can. You fly it. You enjoy it. Eventually, you get bored and leave, leaving the old Bulwark never flown... until later. Your main is long complete. Your new alt main, based off some character you pulled out of nothing just to explain away some starship being in service without the command of your dear admiral, is also complete. Mostly. Their reps and doffs are hard at work, getting you stuff. You realize the potential, and head back for your dear admiral, pull the most Voth themed build you can out of thin air, and suit up in your giant ship in the shape of you know what. You head out... and cause all sorts of havoc. Enemies scream out your name as their very life is drained away by your swarms of Aceton Assimilators. They complain to the devs of your OPness when you revive yourself from death every time you die. Do you show any form of mercy? No. After all, this isn't the United Federation of Planets, this is mother frakkin' Starfleet, where you explore strange new worlds and kick butt never kicked before. Oh, and you realize that I just wrote another speech rivaling your own signature. Cool. Oh, wait, that's just the original draft, it is part of my signature now. Oh, and yes, I am aware that I have become a Canadian Regent; one day, sooner than you'd expect, we'll suddenly decide to take over the world and declare an "alliance", and I shall become it's Regent. You know, like the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance in the mirror universe of our beloved Star Trek. Oh, who'll we be taking over with? I dunno, maybe [REDACTED], or maybe aliens from outer space. Guess you'll have to wait and find out, won't we? Until then, don't ask too many questions, or else my Breen allies on Titania might pick up on your -- [REDACTED BY BREEN CONFEDERACY FOR REASONS] Also, psst... keep an eye out for flying Tribbles! Also walls. Big, great walls, separating entire continents apart. Walls patrolled by Tribbles. Flying Tribbles. Flying Nukara Tribbles. Don't worry, it's not like they were on Venus with a herd of Tholians or anything, they just like the extreme heat and brutal weather like acid rain and hurricane force winds as the norm. Oh, and definitely keep your eye out on any two-tailed foxes, because if they ain't glowing, they're definitely an imposter. Possibly an Undine, we caught one of those once in my place once. Oh, and if you find a two-tailed fox that doesn't like the cold... most certainly ask him to say sorry. If he refuses, DESTROY HIM WITH A DOOMSDAY MACHINE, BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING ELSE THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH AGAINST SUCH AN OVERPOWERED IMPOSTER!
tr;dr, I am winning last post wins 3.0. Thank you for your time.
They must have been part of the Jedi faith.
But jeez, there is "We are the Borg" and "Resistance is futile" sandwiching this plate. That basically shows it's a reference to something even if you don't know the show (though 10 seconds of Google will give you the answer).
What next?
Someone is gonna get arrested for having a "May the Force be with you" sticker because someone found it insulting to their religion?
I could see that happening if it was a "May the Fourth be with you" sticker.
> If it was only a "ASIMIL8" and the guy was a known redneck hating foreigners and posting hateful tweets, I would understand why someone would want to punish him.
> But jeez, there is "We are the Borg" and "Resistance is futile" sandwiching this plate. That basically shows it's a reference to something even if you don't know the show (though 10 seconds of Google will give you the answer).
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> Someone is gonna get arrested for having a "May the Force be with you" sticker because someone found it insulting to their religion?
Context. If "The Force" (for example) would have been the name of a historically fascist regime that committed atrocities in that region you'd have the same reaction by a government agency. I know it is easy to just complain but sometimes it requires a bit more thought.
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"redneck hating foreigners" how can people finger point about others hate while issuing their own?? People are so worried about walls these days as negative, yet, they cant see their own.
...i think if everyone had a cat to love, there would be world peace! : 3
Apparently, I'd probably be allowed to and maybe even win, but I wouldn't do it. Because seeing the beast and the context of its use, I'd know it's about the fictional "pet", not the party.
Once again, context, as you say. One side sees a context while the other one sees another. Who is right, who is wrong? Are they both right? Are they both wrong?
Or how about that one: There is an Egyptian exhibition happening in Nice, France. At one stand is a statue glorifying Isis. Is it right to complain about this considering the allegiance of the murderer from last year's attack?
Plus, this case brings an interesting thing: can a concept with multiple meanings be considered offensive if the context isn't what you think it is?
> And if Targ was a genocidal party that nearly destroyed France, should I, as a French, be allowed to tell you to get rid of your username?
> Apparently, I'd probably be allowed to and maybe even win, but I wouldn't do it. Because seeing the beast and the context of its use, I'd know it's about the fictional "pet", not the party.
> Once again, context, as you say. One side sees a context while the other one sees another. Who is right, who is wrong? Are they both right? Are they both wrong?
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> Or how about that one: There is an Egyptian exhibition happening in Nice, France. At one stand is a statue glorifying Isis. Is it right to complain about this considering the allegiance of the murderer from last year's attack?
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> Plus, this case brings an interesting thing: can a concept with multiple meanings be considered offensive if the context isn't what you think it is?
You are leavimg out the integral part of this story. In the OPs cited case it's about the license plate. This is not private but government property. The "assimilation plan" was executed by the government and caused suffering to natives for decades. This is why the government today doesn't want to issue a license plate carrying sovereign insignia displayimg a term regionally strongly tied to historical atrocities. The hypothetical scenarios you brought fore are not in the same category as the OPs case. This is not about private persons offending each other over sensibilities.
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> Or how about that one: There is an Egyptian exhibition happening in Nice, France. At one stand is a statue glorifying Isis. Is it right to complain about this considering the allegiance of the murderer from last year's attack?
Bad example: the organization's name is properly ad-Dawlah al-Islāmiyah fī 'l-ʿIrāq wa-sh-Shām, or Da'ish for short.* It only happens to coincide with that goddess's name when translated into English: in French the name is something else entirely.
A better example would be the swastika, which as an innocent religious or dynastic symbol predates you-know-who by centuries: it's considered sacred and auspicious in Indian religions such as Buddhism, and Finland briefly used it in blue as the insignia of their air force during the Winter War because it was part of the coat-of-arms of the aristocrat who bought the planes. But three guesses what a Westerner thinks of first when they see one.
* Which happens to be close to an Arabic word meaning "to trample underfoot", hence the group hates that name, hence I and many others use it over any other name because, seriously, TRIBBLE those guys.
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