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damzelltrilldamzelltrill Member Posts: 443 Arc User
Had something occur to me while re-watching some of the Voyager/Next Gen/DS9 trouble with the holodeck episodes; would your basic holodeck hologram like Vic (ok so he's not normal persay...) still be effected by the holodeck's safety features after being put into an emitter?
A Trill, a Gorn, a Jem'Hadar, Bejoran and a Voth walk into a bar, and the Bartender asks "What is this a Joke?"
"Nope, just my away team" the trill replies before ordering a round for the bar.

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  • admiralnatadmiralnat Member Posts: 22,432 Arc User
    Probably not; the safeties are part of the holodeck itself, not the characters. So if a "normal" hologram transferred to a mobile emitter, they'd be bound by it's safeties, if any.
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    Why would the Holodeck safety features work when a hologram is using a mobile emitter? The hologram still has to carry the hypospray or phaser in order to inflict harm and the mobile emitter would have no control over tools carried by the hologram. The Doctor did a lot of damage when he messed around with his personality subroutines in Darkling. There is that malfunctioning alien hologram that could stop people's hearts with his hand in Voyager, but I can't recall the name of the episode and Bonnie Kins from STO.

    The safety features only deals with combat. It might affect falling, but I am not sure. Spraining your ankle and similar sport injuries are not affected and poisoning would also not be affected by safety features. If Vic while wearing a mobile emitter grabs a phaser, knife, or a hypospray, then there is not much that can be done to stop him from killing unless there are security systems nearby that prevents people using phasers, knives, or poison.
  • lazarxlazarx Member Posts: 115 Arc User
    edited April 2017
    I despise the way holograms are presented in Trek, they simply are beyond the bounds of logic. They are presented as if the holograms themselves posssesed the processing power that runs their AI, when it's not the case. There is simply no logical way to parse out all of the various contradictory details of Trek holograms, so I've given up trying.

    I am profoundly grateful that Babylon 5 made one AND ONLY ONE use of holograms, and they did so by following their own consistent logic in doing so. It's a great moment when some folks at EarthGov discover the hard way that making too good a recreation of Michael Garibaldi was their last fatal mistake. "I imagine that unlike you, they're just targeting military installations. By the way this is a military installation, isn't it?"
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  • lazarxlazarx Member Posts: 115 Arc User
    Had something occur to me while re-watching some of the Voyager/Next Gen/DS9 trouble with the holodeck episodes; would your basic holodeck hologram like Vic (ok so he's not normal persay...) still be effected by the holodeck's safety features after being put into an emitter?

    What's normal in holograms? What's not? Vic has more programming than some because he's meant for varied interaction, but not as much as the Doctor, who is complex enough to rewrite his own code. (That's what I'd call abnormal... and potentially dangerous.)

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  • ryan218ryan218 Member Posts: 36,106 Arc User
    lazarx wrote: »
    I despise the way holograms are presented in Trek, they simply are beyond the bounds of logic. They are presented as if the holograms themselves posssesed the processing power that runs their AI, when it's not the case. There is simply no logical way to parse out all of the various contradictory details of Trek holograms, so I've given up trying.

    I am profoundly grateful that Babylon 5 made one AND ONLY ONE use of holograms, and they did so by following their own consistent logic in doing so. It's a great moment when some folks at EarthGov discover the hard way that making too good a recreation of Michael Garibaldi was their last fatal mistake. "I imagine that unlike you, they're just targeting military installations. By the way this is a military installation, isn't it?"

    Two, actually. Holograms featured in the TV movie 'River of Souls' set in 2263, although these ones were literally just autonomic projections with no personality at all. (It's actually a hilarious subplot in that movie)
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