Well, i do want the ship, but the odds of getting one are minimal, thou i got the T6 Connie from an R&D on the second box opened, i dont think the odds will be in my favor this time, i'll go for some boxes anyway, just to put some money on the game i like..
Getting some R&D boxes on sale will let me pick up lobi at a fairly nice ratio. And really, after getting an Annorax on the third box, a TOS T6 on the third box, and a Infinity T6 pack on the second box I opened for a promo, I simultaneously expect to win exactly nothing and yet have to giggle a little and try my usual 'buy 4 boxes, see what happens' .
*pokes, prods* Leviathan? You've come back? Is it you?
And for the topic at hand yes stuff like this causes more commotion than an IPO on all the sto markets.. black, white, exchange, scammers, you name it.
The connie was and is the iconic trek ship so it was a price gougers wet dream.
The 26th dreds look like someone ran over the connie with a steamroller making them much less iconic. And again the KDF offering looks incredibly generic.
This kind of "advice" is the reason the promo ships are selling for billions now.
Make no mistake it's the "gamblers" who are telling people not to "gamble" for themselves, so that they could make bigger profits selling their prizes.
This kind of "advice" is the reason the promo ships are selling for billions now.
that would only be true if the MAJORITY of people were following my advise.
they arent.
the MAJORITY of people who want these ships are spending hundreds and thousands of dollars opening boxes.
the people who decide to do what i advise of selling keys to raise the funds are the MINORITY in this situation.
so the MINORITY of people doing the advise i saying cannot possible influence the market like you saying.
and the people who read these forums are also still in the minorities of the total.
so even if everyoe who read these forums did my advise it still wouldnt be enough people to swing teh entire markets.
Which, of course, you know because you have access to Cryptic's statistics, yes?
The relative pricing of the promo ships indicates reduced supply. That means either people are opening less boxes or the odds of winning have been reduced. Since the latter would almost certainly be noted and complained about by the people who open large amounts of boxes, it's most likely the former.
Why is there always such a tizzy when new promo boats come out. Its been standard procedure for years now. There are those that throw cash at their screens for them, others who do it more conservatively and acquire them with ingame resources, and the there are those that throw cash at the screen for guaranteed resources like leys to sell and buy the ship outright. This isnt a new concept and what Leviathan is saying is going to work, 100% of the time, potentially saving you money if you use real cash for these things. Thats not to say you WONT get a ship on your third box, but youre never guaranteed one, even on your thousandth.
why? heres why. a few people get really lucky opening boxes and getting ship, but the vast majority do not.
QFT.
I've experimented opening phoenix boxes in various ways and I'm clearly not one of those as my chances fell within the expected 0.5% probability for an entire population. I'm not LTS but have spend significant real life cash in this game for various things like the DR pack, and know of others who are LTS who also never won a ship ever and so were naturally forced to stop gambling as the chances and item going rates essentially mean they'll never cover the cost of gambling much less profit to make the risk worthwhile.
Wow did anyone know there is a Zen daily buying limit?
I was buying some keys for a trade and was a few short so I went in to buy $10 after I had purchased $100 last night and $100 earlier today.
Even if both those charges count as the same day we can only buy $200 zen per day?
OT: OP has the correct way to buy ships in this game.
Yes, the limit has been around for a while. IIRC, you can contact customer support and ask them to reset it or something. Not sure if it's too protect people from excessive gambling, or hackers from abusing a TRIBBLE account too much. (Of course, that would basically require stealing your credit info and your account info.)
Star Trek Online Advancement: You start with lowbie gear, you end with Lobi gear.
This kind of "advice" is the reason the promo ships are selling for billions now.
that would only be true if the MAJORITY of people were following my advise.
they arent.
the MAJORITY of people who want these ships are spending hundreds and thousands of dollars opening boxes.
the people who decide to do what i advise of selling keys to raise the funds are the MINORITY in this situation.
so the MINORITY of people doing the advise i saying cannot possible influence the market like you saying.
and the people who read these forums are also still in the minorities of the total.
so even if everyoe who read these forums did my advise it still wouldnt be enough people to swing teh entire markets.
Which, of course, you know because you have access to Cryptic's statistics, yes?
The relative pricing of the promo ships indicates reduced supply. That means either people are opening less boxes or the odds of winning have been reduced. Since the latter would almost certainly be noted and complained about by the people who open large amounts of boxes, it's most likely the former.
Just look at the forum activity and compare it to when the game was really active. You can see how many people view a single topic, and I'm pretty sure repeat viewings add to the counter inflating it artificially. It is way down from what I remember back in the day. Sure, advise spreads exponentially, but this was known years ago and in my observation watching the exchange going rates have been on par with whatever the dil-ex is doing in addition to compensating for the overall drop in player numbers.
You can also fly through various major social zones and check how many zones there are during peak hours of NA and EU, weekends, holidays, and off-season when no events are taking place. I've never compared it back when this game felt really active but others have assured me the numbers are way down.
All of this translates into fewer people opening boxes, so less supply (less competition), still high demand (who doesn't want the new shinies if they could afford or justify to drop the resources necessary), and this is only likely to get worse as time goes on unless the game manages to attract many more players somehow, at least at a rate faster than these content-breaking bugs and casino-styled 'here's 1 short mission and here's 2 things to buy or gamble on the mission popularized' with not a whole lot you can do with that cash or grind time comparable to the novelty in spending it in some other game or form of entertainment.
I'd suggest the going rates are actually 'low' considering the risk necessary under the assumption that every player's rates are truly 1% - 0.5% or even lower which seems to be false. If one's perception is that things are overpriced, then by all means capitalize! Farm or dump cash, gamble away, sell, use the profit to gamble away so that it's self-sustaining and get space rich!
The best advice for anyone wanting a lockbox ship of any kind is to SELL KEYS. 5.5 million per key and you just have to figure out how many keys each ship is worth.
One of the many Tellarite Goddesses of Beauty!
If there are posts here that do not appeal to you, or opinions you disagree with, the best way to deal with that is to resist the urge to add comments. Instead, engage with the content you like! Don't feed the trolls!
Wow did anyone know there is a Zen daily buying limit?
I was buying some keys for a trade and was a few short so I went in to buy $10 after I had purchased $100 last night and $100 earlier today.
Even if both those charges count as the same day we can only buy $200 zen per day?
OT: OP has the correct way to buy ships in this game.
Yes, the limit has been around for a while. IIRC, you can contact customer support and ask them to reset it or something. Not sure if it's too protect people from excessive gambling, or hackers from abusing a **** account too much. (Of course, that would basically require stealing your credit info and your account info.)
Here's another possible way, folks. This is how I got my Enterprise J ship.
A friend in game ~waves to Rose~ bought an RD box last night and opened it. Inside was one of those ship packages. She mentioned this on the channel I talk to most of my in game friends and she said what she really wants to get, THE ship she wants is the Vengeance class. In chat, I found out I had JUST enough EC if I pooled all my toons' EC stashes into the account bank and we met on Starbase 39 and I gave her the EC, the entire lot, she gave me the RD ship package. She got the Vengeance class dreadnought she so badly wanted, I got the Universe class dreadnought I so badly wanted. Both of us benefited, no one got disappointed.
Friendship is another way of getting something you want in game and helping someone else get what they want as well.
~has that knowing is half the battle PSA from the old GI JOE cartoon appear behind her~
CHORUS: GI JOOOOOOOOOOOOEE!!!!!!!!
Me: GAH!!!!!! ~falls from the sudden chorus blast and over the side and lands on the floor, with the swirly anime eye look~
Me: Yes, waiter, I'll have a spinach salad and quinoa soup to go! @_@;;
Here's another possible way, folks. This is how I got my Enterprise J ship.
A friend in game ~waves to Rose~ bought an RD box last night and opened it. Inside was one of those ship packages. She mentioned this on the channel I talk to most of my in game friends and she said what she really wants to get, THE ship she wants is the Vengeance class. In chat, I found out I had JUST enough EC if I pooled all my toons' EC stashes into the account bank and we met on Starbase 39 and I gave her the EC, the entire lot, she gave me the RD ship package. She got the Vengeance class dreadnought she so badly wanted, I got the Universe class dreadnought I so badly wanted. Both of us benefited, no one got disappointed.
Friendship is another way of getting something you want in game and helping someone else get what they want as well.
what you just described is not "friendship".
it was you taking a huge advantage of someone else.
but wait! you say. we BOTH got what we wanted, you say.
forget about YOURSELF for one moment and consider this:
your "friend" could have sold that ship for 1.5bil.
that would have given your "friend" enough EC to buy the vengance.
and the next ship they want.
and the next ship they want.
and maybe one more.
so yeah your friend got the 1 ship they want right now, by trading ships with you.
but your friend SHOULD have been able to get the next 2/3 ships they wanted too, from the EC they would have had by selling the ship.
but now your friend wont be able to do that, because you took advantage of them.
you didnt treat that person like your friend, because instead of looking out for their best interest, you only cared about your own.
i feel so sad for them.
HOLD IT.
I even said to her, she can sell it or we can trade. She offered the trade option.
We both wanted something, we both agreed to it. both sides got what was wanted.....all you are seeing is the dollar/EC signs, thinking more of some economist....as in profit, etc. Hell, I gave away lockbox ships I had to folks, for free in the past, when I COULD have sold or asked for EC.
It's not always about the money.....as SHOCKING as that idea might be, sir/maam.
it was you taking a huge advantage of someone else.
but wait! you say. we BOTH got what we wanted, you say.
forget about YOURSELF for one moment and consider this:
your "friend" could have sold that ship for 1.5bil.
Except for one small problem..
If the friend knew what the RnD Pack was worth then your entire argument falls apart.
But don't let that stop you from telling other people how to conduct themselves or anything. I know it might seem a foreign concept to you, but sometimes when people are friends.. they do things for each other just out of friendship.
Not everyone gives a TRIBBLE about 'video game money.'
Here's another possible way, folks. This is how I got my Enterprise J ship.
A friend in game ~waves to Rose~ bought an RD box last night and opened it. Inside was one of those ship packages. She mentioned this on the channel I talk to most of my in game friends and she said what she really wants to get, THE ship she wants is the Vengeance class. In chat, I found out I had JUST enough EC if I pooled all my toons' EC stashes into the account bank and we met on Starbase 39 and I gave her the EC, the entire lot, she gave me the RD ship package. She got the Vengeance class dreadnought she so badly wanted, I got the Universe class dreadnought I so badly wanted. Both of us benefited, no one got disappointed.
Friendship is another way of getting something you want in game and helping someone else get what they want as well.
what you just described is not "friendship".
it was you taking a huge advantage of someone else.
but wait! you say. we BOTH got what we wanted, you say.
forget about YOURSELF for one moment and consider this:
your "friend" could have sold that ship for 1.5bil.
that would have given your "friend" enough EC to buy the vengance.
and the next ship they want.
and the next ship they want.
and maybe one more.
so yeah your friend got the 1 ship they want right now, by trading ships with you.
but your friend SHOULD have been able to get the next 2/3 ships they wanted too, from the EC they would have had by selling the ship.
but now your friend wont be able to do that, because you took advantage of them.
you didnt treat that person like your friend, because instead of looking out for their best interest, you only cared about your own.
i feel so sad for them.
HOLD IT.
I even said to her, she can sell it or we can trade. She offered the trade option.
what do you mean you "told" her she could sell it?
your friend doesnt need your persmission.
you were acting like they could only sell it if you said they could.
and what do you mean SHE offered the trade?
you just said you TOLD them they could sell or TRADe with you?
you are the one that brought up the trade, so they didnt' "offer" it to you.
an "offer" is not you asking for something.
~TRIPLE face palm~ I don't believe this
Seaofsorrows is right, she knew the amount of the 26th century dreadnoght was worth. We traded, both me and her are happy we ran several pve's last night once we got both our new ships kitted out and ready to rock and roll on Borgs and Orions.
The word could only implies possibility, not permission. I mean no offense, but I'm not a native english speaker either. I sometimes read the wrong things into words too
Here's another possible way, folks. This is how I got my Enterprise J ship.
A friend in game ~waves to Rose~ bought an RD box last night and opened it. Inside was one of those ship packages. She mentioned this on the channel I talk to most of my in game friends and she said what she really wants to get, THE ship she wants is the Vengeance class. In chat, I found out I had JUST enough EC if I pooled all my toons' EC stashes into the account bank and we met on Starbase 39 and I gave her the EC, the entire lot, she gave me the RD ship package. She got the Vengeance class dreadnought she so badly wanted, I got the Universe class dreadnought I so badly wanted. Both of us benefited, no one got disappointed.
Friendship is another way of getting something you want in game and helping someone else get what they want as well.
what you just described is not "friendship".
it was you taking a huge advantage of someone else.
but wait! you say. we BOTH got what we wanted, you say.
forget about YOURSELF for one moment and consider this:
your "friend" could have sold that ship for 1.5bil.
that would have given your "friend" enough EC to buy the vengance.
and the next ship they want.
and the next ship they want.
and maybe one more.
so yeah your friend got the 1 ship they want right now, by trading ships with you.
but your friend SHOULD have been able to get the next 2/3 ships they wanted too, from the EC they would have had by selling the ship.
but now your friend wont be able to do that, because you took advantage of them.
you didnt treat that person like your friend, because instead of looking out for their best interest, you only cared about your own.
i feel so sad for them.
HOLD IT.
I even said to her, she can sell it or we can trade. She offered the trade option.
what do you mean you "told" her she could sell it?
your friend doesnt need your persmission.
you were acting like they could only sell it if you said they could.
and what do you mean SHE offered the trade?
you just said you TOLD them they could sell or TRADe with you?
you are the one that brought up the trade, so they didnt' "offer" it to you.
an "offer" is not you asking for something.
Not everyone is greedy and only in it for the EC, there are people out there willing to give a generous friend discount
How about giving them away to people who really need them? Whenever I get an reward box I always try to sell it for the lowest price possible. Chances are someone needs that reward prize more than me. If I want a ship on the exchange that badly I go out and grind for it myself. It's very easy to make millions of energy credits.
Comments
RNG's....I hope you roast in hell.
And for the topic at hand yes stuff like this causes more commotion than an IPO on all the sto markets.. black, white, exchange, scammers, you name it.
The 26th dreds look like someone ran over the connie with a steamroller making them much less iconic. And again the KDF offering looks incredibly generic.
Make no mistake it's the "gamblers" who are telling people not to "gamble" for themselves, so that they could make bigger profits selling their prizes.
Umm ... 30,000 zen costs 300 dollars, not 3000 ...
The relative pricing of the promo ships indicates reduced supply. That means either people are opening less boxes or the odds of winning have been reduced. Since the latter would almost certainly be noted and complained about by the people who open large amounts of boxes, it's most likely the former.
I was buying some keys for a trade and was a few short so I went in to buy $10 after I had purchased $100 last night and $100 earlier today.
Even if both those charges count as the same day we can only buy $200 zen per day?
OT: OP has the correct way to buy ships in this game.
Found that out last summer when I was gambling for the jj-prise, it's annoying if you ask me
QFT.
I've experimented opening phoenix boxes in various ways and I'm clearly not one of those as my chances fell within the expected 0.5% probability for an entire population. I'm not LTS but have spend significant real life cash in this game for various things like the DR pack, and know of others who are LTS who also never won a ship ever and so were naturally forced to stop gambling as the chances and item going rates essentially mean they'll never cover the cost of gambling much less profit to make the risk worthwhile.
Yes, the limit has been around for a while. IIRC, you can contact customer support and ask them to reset it or something. Not sure if it's too protect people from excessive gambling, or hackers from abusing a TRIBBLE account too much. (Of course, that would basically require stealing your credit info and your account info.)
Just look at the forum activity and compare it to when the game was really active. You can see how many people view a single topic, and I'm pretty sure repeat viewings add to the counter inflating it artificially. It is way down from what I remember back in the day. Sure, advise spreads exponentially, but this was known years ago and in my observation watching the exchange going rates have been on par with whatever the dil-ex is doing in addition to compensating for the overall drop in player numbers.
You can also fly through various major social zones and check how many zones there are during peak hours of NA and EU, weekends, holidays, and off-season when no events are taking place. I've never compared it back when this game felt really active but others have assured me the numbers are way down.
All of this translates into fewer people opening boxes, so less supply (less competition), still high demand (who doesn't want the new shinies if they could afford or justify to drop the resources necessary), and this is only likely to get worse as time goes on unless the game manages to attract many more players somehow, at least at a rate faster than these content-breaking bugs and casino-styled 'here's 1 short mission and here's 2 things to buy or gamble on the mission popularized' with not a whole lot you can do with that cash or grind time comparable to the novelty in spending it in some other game or form of entertainment.
I'd suggest the going rates are actually 'low' considering the risk necessary under the assumption that every player's rates are truly 1% - 0.5% or even lower which seems to be false. If one's perception is that things are overpriced, then by all means capitalize! Farm or dump cash, gamble away, sell, use the profit to gamble away so that it's self-sustaining and get space rich!
If there are posts here that do not appeal to you, or opinions you disagree with, the best way to deal with that is to resist the urge to add comments. Instead, engage with the content you like! Don't feed the trolls!
Could also be to protect parents from their kids
A friend in game ~waves to Rose~ bought an RD box last night and opened it. Inside was one of those ship packages. She mentioned this on the channel I talk to most of my in game friends and she said what she really wants to get, THE ship she wants is the Vengeance class. In chat, I found out I had JUST enough EC if I pooled all my toons' EC stashes into the account bank and we met on Starbase 39 and I gave her the EC, the entire lot, she gave me the RD ship package. She got the Vengeance class dreadnought she so badly wanted, I got the Universe class dreadnought I so badly wanted. Both of us benefited, no one got disappointed.
Friendship is another way of getting something you want in game and helping someone else get what they want as well.
~has that knowing is half the battle PSA from the old GI JOE cartoon appear behind her~
CHORUS: GI JOOOOOOOOOOOOEE!!!!!!!!
Me: GAH!!!!!!
Me: Yes, waiter, I'll have a spinach salad and quinoa soup to go! @_@;;
HOLD IT.
I even said to her, she can sell it or we can trade. She offered the trade option.
We both wanted something, we both agreed to it. both sides got what was wanted.....all you are seeing is the dollar/EC signs, thinking more of some economist....as in profit, etc. Hell, I gave away lockbox ships I had to folks, for free in the past, when I COULD have sold or asked for EC.
It's not always about the money.....as SHOCKING as that idea might be, sir/maam.
Except for one small problem..
If the friend knew what the RnD Pack was worth then your entire argument falls apart.
But don't let that stop you from telling other people how to conduct themselves or anything. I know it might seem a foreign concept to you, but sometimes when people are friends.. they do things for each other just out of friendship.
Not everyone gives a TRIBBLE about 'video game money.'
Seaofsorrows is right, she knew the amount of the 26th century dreadnoght was worth. We traded, both me and her are happy we ran several pve's last night once we got both our new ships kitted out and ready to rock and roll on Borgs and Orions.
And to Seaofsorrows, thank you. ~curtsy~
Not everyone is greedy and only in it for the EC, there are people out there willing to give a generous friend discount