Romulan MultiMission Ships Aesthetic.

alexhurlbut · February 2017

I was wondering....the designers did know that the ring structure on the Vulcan ships is basically their warp nacelle? So we're looking at....3 distinct warp nacelles on the romulan MMS; the ring and the two outer nacelles, right?

sorceror01 · February 2017

It may not necessarily serve the same function on the Romulan ship as it does the Vulcan one.

kodachikuno · February 2017

Romulan CBC have 3 sets of nacelle.... so....

alexhurlbut · February 2017

kodachikuno wrote: »

Romulan CBC have 3 sets of nacelle.... so....

Even number XD

artan42 · February 2017

And? Some ships have odd numbers of nacelles, some have one, some have three, there's no canon rules against it. Only muesings of a designer long overruled by the arrival of TNG.

alexhurlbut · February 2017

artan42 wrote: »

And? Some ships have odd numbers of nacelles, some have one, some have three, there's no canon rules against it. Only muesings of a designer long overruled by the arrival of TNG.

My beef with the Romulan MMS is that they basically just took the ring which IS the warp nacelle of the Vulcan ship into the design that doesn't contribute to any possible performance of the ship other than warp flight. It come off as that they just include it because it look "cool" and they doesn't explain how it improve the ship or help with her mission profile in any way

kodachikuno · February 2017

alexhurlbut wrote: »

artan42 wrote: »

And? Some ships have odd numbers of nacelles, some have one, some have three, there's no canon rules against it. Only muesings of a designer long overruled by the arrival of TNG.

My beef with the Romulan MMS is that they basically just took the ring which IS the warp nacelle of the Vulcan ship into the design that doesn't contribute to any possible performance of the ship other than warp flight. It come off as that they just include it because it look "cool" and they doesn't explain how it improve the ship or help with her mission profile in any way

its a space magic ship with swirling space magic in the ring... that aint good enough for ya?

artan42 · February 2017

alexhurlbut wrote: »

artan42 wrote: »

And? Some ships have odd numbers of nacelles, some have one, some have three, there's no canon rules against it. Only muesings of a designer long overruled by the arrival of TNG.

My beef with the Romulan MMS is that they basically just took the ring which IS the warp nacelle of the Vulcan ship into the design that doesn't contribute to any possible performance of the ship other than warp flight. It come off as that they just include it because it look "cool" and they doesn't explain how it improve the ship or help with her mission profile in any way

There must be some advantage to the warp ring for the Vulcans to be still using it in the 24th century (the T'Pau type) and into the 31st century (the three ringed retrofitted dorsal carrier) however it's possible the RR don't fully trust it and have some auxiliary nacelles as backup. Maybe the singularity puts out too much power for the warp ring and the excess has to be siphoned off into the nacelles.

If those went through my mind in a few minutes they they most likely went through the minds of the designer who spent many hours modelling the things. Especially as those designers are Star Trek fans.

sorceror01 · February 2017

alexhurlbut wrote: »

artan42 wrote: »

And? Some ships have odd numbers of nacelles, some have one, some have three, there's no canon rules against it. Only muesings of a designer long overruled by the arrival of TNG.

My beef with the Romulan MMS is that they basically just took the ring which IS the warp nacelle of the Vulcan ship into the design that doesn't contribute to any possible performance of the ship other than warp flight. It come off as that they just include it because it look "cool" and they doesn't explain how it improve the ship or help with her mission profile in any way

It COULD be used as a stabilization element for advanced singularity core design.
You are stuck assuming that because it serves one purpose on a Vulcan ship, that it will serve the same purpose on a Romulan one.
Instead of making that assumption, maybe hypothesize what function it COULD have instead.

ash352 · February 2017

alexhurlbut wrote: »

artan42 wrote: »

And? Some ships have odd numbers of nacelles, some have one, some have three, there's no canon rules against it. Only muesings of a designer long overruled by the arrival of TNG.

My beef with the Romulan MMS is that they basically just took the ring which IS the warp nacelle of the Vulcan ship into the design that doesn't contribute to any possible performance of the ship other than warp flight. It come off as that they just include it because it look "cool" and they doesn't explain how it improve the ship or help with her mission profile in any way

It's original use was to provide a way to generate a warp field, on top of whatever else the Vulcan's used it for. As we've seen in the shows you're able to do quite a bit beyond just going to warp with "just" a warp field and altering the technology to be able to generate other types of fields for a science vessel, since they have nacelles for that purpose, seems like something that would go a long ways towards improve a "multi mission" science vessel. Having a secondary deflector seems handy, so having a secondary field generator that isn't limited to warp fields seems even handier to do any number of scientific experiments and studies as well as having offensive uses in a universe coming off the Iconian conflict and now moving into one with the Tzenkethi.

nikeix · February 2017

And there are Federation ships with 4 nacelles that manage work in concert to generate a warp bubble. I'm really not seeing the problem with a ring nacelle and pontoon nacelles creating a coordinated warp bubble.

jbmonroe · February 2017

artan42 wrote: »

And? Some ships have odd numbers of nacelles, some have one, some have three, there's no canon rules against it. Only muesings of a designer long overruled by the arrival of TNG.

Back in the 1980s The Great Bird himself mandated to the TNG production crew that Federation ships have even numbers of nacelles. You can't get more canon than that.

The three-nacelle design of the Enterprise "dreadnought" at the end of the series was done after Gene's death. Tweaking the Great Bird's beak, as it were.

artan42 · February 2017

jbmonroe wrote: »

artan42 wrote: »

And? Some ships have odd numbers of nacelles, some have one, some have three, there's no canon rules against it. Only muesings of a designer long overruled by the arrival of TNG.

Back in the 1980s The Great Bird himself mandated to the TNG production crew that Federation ships have even numbers of nacelles. You can't get more canon than that.

The three-nacelle design of the Enterprise "dreadnought" at the end of the series was done after Gene's death. Tweaking the Great Bird's beak, as it were.

You can get far more canon that that. Canon. If it weren't onscreen it's not canon.

The Ambassador, Defiant, Freedom, all clearly prove those rules are not in-universe rules and the possibly canon Saladin and Hermes (seen in a display in TWoK) show that this pre-dated TNG.

potasssium · February 2017

Don't the MMSV's have advanced Quantum Slipstream Drive?

Couldn't the Ring be the Romulan way of stabalizing that technology with their singularity cores?

nickcastleton · February 2017

potasssium wrote: »

Don't the MMSV's have advanced Quantum Slipstream Drive?

Couldn't the Ring be the Romulan way of stabalizing that technology with their singularity cores?

I was just here to say that.

nikeix · February 2017

artan42 wrote: »

The Ambassador, Defiant, Freedom, all clearly prove those rules are not in-universe rules and the possibly canon Saladin and Hermes (seen in a display in TWoK) show that this pre-dated TNG.

I'm thinking the Kelvin is about all you have to say about on-screen examples of odd numbers of nacelles

. Sorta hard to miss that one.

You don't even need two. So why would three be a problem, other than to try to discredit Franz Joseph's Federation Class dreadnought? A concept Star Trek's owners clearly embraced when creating their own TNG era dreadnought.

Star Trek ship design is driven by aesthetics and television shooting budgets, not consistent in-setting engineering constraints.

nikeix · February 2017

potasssium wrote: »

Don't the MMSV's have advanced Quantum Slipstream Drive?

Couldn't the Ring be the Romulan way of stabilizing that technology with their singularity cores?

More importantly, it appears to be the Vulcan way of stabilizing warp travel of all sorts. And since they helped out on these designs...

kelshando · February 2017

jbmonroe wrote: »

artan42 wrote: »

And? Some ships have odd numbers of nacelles, some have one, some have three, there's no canon rules against it. Only muesings of a designer long overruled by the arrival of TNG.

Back in the 1980s The Great Bird himself mandated to the TNG production crew that Federation ships have even numbers of nacelles. You can't get more canon than that.

The three-nacelle design of the Enterprise "dreadnought" at the end of the series was done after Gene's death. Tweaking the Great Bird's beak, as it were.

Yes and yet the Borg broke that rule while he was alive..

As far as 3 warp nacelle.. As far as I'm aware the middle warp nacelle was a double nacelle or support nacelle for power dependent on what lore you read and was not use to form the warp bubble. On top of that it was from a non-realized reality.

There are many alien craft that break the warp drive rules in startrek.. and many were while Gene was alive.

Over all though the Vulcan ships used warp cores and the Romulan use singularity cores.. so these new ships being a hybrid.. well the rules don't really apply to them.

Oh and just fyi the rules didn't just apply to federation ships.. and really more guidelines then rules.. as many were broken by the "man" himself.

http://trekplace.com/article15.html

artan42 · February 2017

nikeix wrote: »

artan42 wrote: »

The Ambassador, Defiant, Freedom, all clearly prove those rules are not in-universe rules and the possibly canon Saladin and Hermes (seen in a display in TWoK) show that this pre-dated TNG.

I'm thinking the Kelvin is about all you have to say about on-screen examples of odd numbers of nacelles . Sorta hard to miss that one.

You don't even need two. So why would three be a problem, other than to try to discredit Franz Joseph's Federation Class dreadnought? A concept Star Trek's owners clearly embraced when creating their own TNG era dreadnought.

Star Trek ship design is driven by aesthetics and television shooting budgets, not consistent in-setting engineering constraints.

You'd think it'd be hard to miss it but I did

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steinberg · February 2017

Well for a Romulan ship -looking cool is almost as important as dps....they are the third group in this game so....Let Them Look Cool !.

revanindustries · February 2017

So in the hours spent running Omega games you come up with all sorts of crazy conspiracy theories.

I kept on wondering why the Romulan ships had a Vulcan aesthetic to them. I mean they obviously had an in-game explanation, but something else was bugging me about it. Then it suddenly hit me. The Feds currently have everything that previously made the other factions unique. Battlecruisers, carriers, raiders, cloak/battle cloak, etc. However, there's still one huge elephant in the room item that Feds haven't gotten their grubby hands on: Singularity Cores. However, now that the Romulans are collaborating with the Vulcans it would give an in-game explanation for the Feds to get a Singularity Core ship.

T6 Vulcan ships with Singularity Cores. You heard it here first.

. . . And this is why I shouldn't play Omega games for 4 hours straight.

potasssium · February 2017

Actually, I wouldn't mind a Vulcan sister science ship to the Romulan Ships that could slot a warp or singular core. No Cloak of any sort of course. No Dual Cannons either.

But I would object to being opened up beyond that.

Now don't get me wrong, it bugs the hell out of me thats feds have Battlecruisers, but I wouldn't object to an Andorian Battlecruiser.

kodachikuno · February 2017

potasssium wrote: »

Now don't get me wrong, it bugs the hell out of me thats feds have Battlecruisers, but I wouldn't object to an Andorian Battlecruiser.

Well before TNG era and someone stating that 'Starfleet doesn't build war ships' we had vessels like the Excelsior listed in multiple licenses sources as a 'Battleship' then comes the Defiant, dedicated pure combat vessel. So its not really that much of a reach to see them again, especially since they debuted in the Klink war STO started.

edit:
I mean say what you will bout a Galaxy Class in combat, the fact is if you removed all the non-starfleet personnel on one(ie the spouses and children) as well as the class rooms and other facilities for them, you have a lot of wasted space. Shrink it down, pull out a couple extra science labs, and you have a Battle-cruiser.

legendarylycan · February 2017

a klingon calling an armed ship a 'battlecruiser'...someone stop the presses - this is groundbreaking news!

ikonn · February 2017

One nation's terrorist is another nation's hero... It makes perfect sense that the KDF would call the Enterprise a Battlecruiser, while one of the computer terminals on the Enterprise itself early in that movie classified it as a Heavy Cruiser. Both terms mean different things to different people (or nations in this case).

Naming conventions FTW!

kodachikuno · February 2017

if the Klingons had known it was Kirk's ship they would probably have called it a dreadnought

jorantomalak · February 2017

kodachikuno wrote: »

if the Klingons had known it was Kirk's ship they would probably have called it a dreadnought

I think had they known it was kirks ship, they wouldve hailed and surrendered lol

ssbn655 · February 2017

Who cares OP? They look good and if you don't like them don't buy them. Simple as that.

Romulan MultiMission Ships Aesthetic.

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