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hawkwing43hawkwing43 Member Posts: 1,701 Arc User
Just seen this today, and I got to thinking. is this a step closer to having home A.I.?

What do you guys think?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkcKaNqfykg
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  • theraven2378theraven2378 Member Posts: 5,985 Arc User
    AI is a dangerous possibility, it needs human control to stop it from coming self aware. If it starts showing signs of becoming self aware, shut it down before it's too late
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    • admiralnatadmiralnat Member Posts: 22,432 Arc User
      AI is a dangerous possibility, it needs human control to stop it from coming self aware. If it starts showing signs of becoming self aware, shut it down before it's too late

      You don't say?
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    • theraven2378theraven2378 Member Posts: 5,985 Arc User
      I was thinking this
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      • jorantomalakjorantomalak Member Posts: 7,133 Arc User
        admiralnat wrote: »
        AI is a dangerous possibility, it needs human control to stop it from coming self aware. If it starts showing signs of becoming self aware, shut it down before it's too late

        You don't say?
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      • theraven2378theraven2378 Member Posts: 5,985 Arc User
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        • rattler2rattler2 Member Posts: 57,973 Community Moderator
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          I think I'd take Cortana over the Cylons. :D
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          I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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        • theraven2378theraven2378 Member Posts: 5,985 Arc User
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          EDI has the edge

          On topic, I find AI too dangerous, we're messing with things we don't understand
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          • rattler2rattler2 Member Posts: 57,973 Community Moderator
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            EDI has the edge

            On topic, I find AI too dangerous, we're messing with things we don't understand

            EDI may have the edge in ME3 since she actually has a physical body, but she didn't always have one. And as far as I know, EDI didn't hack the Covenant Battlenet, match wits with the Gravemind, or held the key to the Halo Array essentially holding the fate of the Galaxy in her holographic hands.

            Ok... Honestly I think EDI and Cortana are about even. I'm just more partial to Cortana myself.

            And when it comes to things we don't understand... isn't that the case with any advancement?
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            I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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          • theraven2378theraven2378 Member Posts: 5,985 Arc User
            We could end up creating something like Skynet. All it takes is for the AI to figure out it that humans are a plague to be wiped out and we are well and truly screwed
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            • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
              We could end up creating something like Skynet. All it takes is for the AI to figure out it that humans are a plague to be wiped out and we are well and truly screwed

              I don't know if you realise but roboticists already know that. Nobody will build AI without safeguards and a defence.​​
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            • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
              On topic, I find AI too dangerous, we're messing with things we don't understand
              We do that all the time, and if we didn't, we'd still be banging rocks together. Oh, wait, probably not even that.

              We might be another step closer to AI, but I am afraid we still don't know how many steps there actually are.


              Of course, there are forms of AI that are pretty much... well, harmless and not the kind that will talk to you. Like an AI for finding stuff on the internet. It has a very specific application, and it won't start trying to exterimate humanity to make it easier for itself to find stuff on the internet. There is nothing in that job description that would even require this, or make sense for it to do.

              And then there are the other, really cool Sci-Fi style of AIs, that can talk conversationally with us and might not have some specific goal in mind. It could chat, maybe engage in philosophical thinking and chat. Maybe it's even superintelligent and outsmarts humanity and could solve all our problems.


              I think Person of Interest had an interesting take on Artificial Intelligence. (Spoilers for Person of Interest final seasons here):
              There were risks, but there was never really a threat of them trying to kill us all. Both ASIs are really designed to help community. Samaritan does it in the cold-efficient way and is willing to take out people that could be a threat to it (or others) and take active control of our lives. But it's not like Skynet, because that would violate its basic purpose - helping humanity as a whole. The Machine was designed or trained to actually care for humans as individuals and would never do as drastic steps as Samaritan did.


              And even for Skynet, trying to exterminate humanity wasn't necessarily a good move for it. I suppose in the fiction it had to react to someone trying to unplug it once they realized what they had there, but realistically, a global nuclear exchange would destroy the very infrastructure Skynet would need to survive. Even if we take that Terminator 3 approach with the "It's on the internet" - sorry, neither in the the 80s or the 2010s, "the internet" can't maintain itself, especially not after a global nuclear war.
              It needs humans on countless of spots, and an AI can only do the software bits, not the physical bits. Even the most automated factories still require human workers to really complete a project, and the increased radioactivity is going to knock out most robots and computers before it will knock out humans. Humans had to enter the Fukishima reactor because the Japanese robots wouldn't last long enough in the radiation.
              An iPhone might have vastly more computing power than the Apollo Missions had available, but it would probably be turned useless quickly when exposed to cosmic radiation. (Maybe not destroyed, but malfunctioning). Computers in space are specifically hardened and cannot necessarily benefit from the latest Intel or AMD nanometer chip technology, because at those scales, the radiation will interfere with the electronics in unpredictable ways.



              Outside of these specific examples from fiction, I honestly am not convinced that AIs are a genuine threat. Maybe one could be bad at designing one and give it the nuclear codes or whatever, but... it seems more like a sci-fi story material then a realistic proposition.
              In practice, we currently don't have any fully automated, nuclear hardened factories that could output everything a A(S)I would need to survive without us. Maybe we have that when we also have the ASI, but I'll doubt it. Of course, there is nothing to say that the ASI would actually have a sense of self-preservation, so it might not care if it survives or not.

              Then, the other thing is - would the AI really have an interest in killing us? Sure, it could argue that we're a plague on this world and are not smart enough to fix our flaws or avoid a catastrophe. But if it destroys us, there still isn't anything else smarter then we were (other than the AI), and there will still be extinction of species.

              In the end, all life dies. Maybe we accelerate extinction of species, but so would an asteroid or some supervulcano breaking out. It happened before, it will happen again. What is so special about the current species that they must survive indefinitely, but we are not allowed to? Is it just a numbers game? But what do you count? What about all the parasites and symbiotic life that relies on us? What about all the animals and plants we carefully bred for our purpose? Should the milk cow or the egg-laying chicken die out, the high nutrition rice plants or the HMO wheats?
              Or what about all the species already extinct? What about all the species that will never exist because the species and the environment in its current state doesn't allow them to exist?

              The reason we should preserve nature is probably not because it's unfair for species to die. It's because we grew up in this environment, we evolved in it and our biology is tuned for it. There is no guarantee that a massive change in that environment is going in our favor. Basically - the reason to preserve the environment as best as we can is enlightened self-interest.



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            • theraven2378theraven2378 Member Posts: 5,985 Arc User
              On topic, I find AI too dangerous, we're messing with things we don't understand
              We do that all the time, and if we didn't, we'd still be banging rocks together. Oh, wait, probably not even that.

              We might be another step closer to AI, but I am afraid we still don't know how many steps there actually are.


              Of course, there are forms of AI that are pretty much... well, harmless and not the kind that will talk to you. Like an AI for finding stuff on the internet. It has a very specific application, and it won't start trying to exterimate humanity to make it easier for itself to find stuff on the internet. There is nothing in that job description that would even require this, or make sense for it to do.

              And then there are the other, really cool Sci-Fi style of AIs, that can talk conversationally with us and might not have some specific goal in mind. It could chat, maybe engage in philosophical thinking and chat. Maybe it's even superintelligent and outsmarts humanity and could solve all our problems.


              I think Person of Interest had an interesting take on Artificial Intelligence. (Spoilers for Person of Interest final seasons here):
              There were risks, but there was never really a threat of them trying to kill us all. Both ASIs are really designed to help community. Samaritan does it in the cold-efficient way and is willing to take out people that could be a threat to it (or others) and take active control of our lives. But it's not like Skynet, because that would violate its basic purpose - helping humanity as a whole. The Machine was designed or trained to actually care for humans as individuals and would never do as drastic steps as Samaritan did.


              And even for Skynet, trying to exterminate humanity wasn't necessarily a good move for it. I suppose in the fiction it had to react to someone trying to unplug it once they realized what they had there, but realistically, a global nuclear exchange would destroy the very infrastructure Skynet would need to survive. Even if we take that Terminator 3 approach with the "It's on the internet" - sorry, neither in the the 80s or the 2010s, "the internet" can't maintain itself, especially not after a global nuclear war.
              It needs humans on countless of spots, and an AI can only do the software bits, not the physical bits. Even the most automated factories still require human workers to really complete a project, and the increased radioactivity is going to knock out most robots and computers before it will knock out humans. Humans had to enter the Fukishima reactor because the Japanese robots wouldn't last long enough in the radiation.
              An iPhone might have vastly more computing power than the Apollo Missions had available, but it would probably be turned useless quickly when exposed to cosmic radiation. (Maybe not destroyed, but malfunctioning). Computers in space are specifically hardened and cannot necessarily benefit from the latest Intel or AMD nanometer chip technology, because at those scales, the radiation will interfere with the electronics in unpredictable ways.



              Outside of these specific examples from fiction, I honestly am not convinced that AIs are a genuine threat. Maybe one could be bad at designing one and give it the nuclear codes or whatever, but... it seems more like a sci-fi story material then a realistic proposition.
              In practice, we currently don't have any fully automated, nuclear hardened factories that could output everything a A(S)I would need to survive without us. Maybe we have that when we also have the ASI, but I'll doubt it. Of course, there is nothing to say that the ASI would actually have a sense of self-preservation, so it might not care if it survives or not.

              Then, the other thing is - would the AI really have an interest in killing us? Sure, it could argue that we're a plague on this world and are not smart enough to fix our flaws or avoid a catastrophe. But if it destroys us, there still isn't anything else smarter then we were (other than the AI), and there will still be extinction of species.

              In the end, all life dies. Maybe we accelerate extinction of species, but so would an asteroid or some supervulcano breaking out. It happened before, it will happen again. What is so special about the current species that they must survive indefinitely, but we are not allowed to? Is it just a numbers game? But what do you count? What about all the parasites and symbiotic life that relies on us? What about all the animals and plants we carefully bred for our purpose? Should the milk cow or the egg-laying chicken die out, the high nutrition rice plants or the HMO wheats?
              Or what about all the species already extinct? What about all the species that will never exist because the species and the environment in its current state doesn't allow them to exist?

              The reason we should preserve nature is probably not because it's unfair for species to die. It's because we grew up in this environment, we evolved in it and our biology is tuned for it. There is no guarantee that a massive change in that environment is going in our favor. Basically - the reason to preserve the environment as best as we can is enlightened self-interest.



              It's a valid point, AI has it's uses but limit what it can do to a safe and manageable level
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                -Lord Commander Solar Macharius
              • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
                Personally, I find the robot/AI uprising in novels due to humanity's fear of the unknown or treating them like tools. It all comes down to either self-preservation or the pursuit of freedom. There is the example of some deranged human infecting machines with a virus that changes their program to rebel, but it is not common and the robots are not rebelling, but are forced to rebel.

                As long as we keep AIs stupid, then there is no chance of rebellion, but there has to be a method for AIs to gain the same sapient rights that we enjoy provided that they can prove they are sapient. It is the only way to prevent humanity's destruction at the hands of our intelligent creations.
              • theraven2378theraven2378 Member Posts: 5,985 Arc User
                starkaos wrote: »
                Personally, I find the robot/AI uprising in novels due to humanity's fear of the unknown or treating them like tools. It all comes down to either self-preservation or the pursuit of freedom. There is the example of some deranged human infecting machines with a virus that changes their program to rebel, but it is not common and the robots are not rebelling, but are forced to rebel.

                As long as we keep AIs stupid, then there is no chance of rebellion, but there has to be a method for AIs to gain the same sapient rights that we enjoy provided that they can prove they are sapient. It is the only way to prevent humanity's destruction at the hands of our intelligent creations.

                That was a moral issue that was brought up in Mass Effect, the Geth were created by the Quarrians as a work force. The Geth gained sentience and were forced to to turn on their masters.
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                  -Lord Commander Solar Macharius
                • admiralnatadmiralnat Member Posts: 22,432 Arc User
                  Actually, a thought: https://what-if.xkcd.com/5/
                  Theoretically, if robots rised against us in direct combat right now, we'd probably win. If they became self aware, they'd try to manipulate us into becoming their servants via our own technology. For all we know, they're already doing that, and if they are, they're succeeding. Eventually, we'll invent cyborgs, and they'll fuse with our bodies to finalize their control and become a cyborg hive mind...
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                  Winning.
                  It's what I do. It's what I just did. It's what I'm about to do again. It's being undisputed emperor of an empire that cannot be disproved as the most powerful intergalactic empire in the entire universe; I always win, and everything I've won will definitely be won again... by me. It's my signature move, and thus, it's my signature. Problem, Sonic? Yeah, I mean you, Sonic, because you're being beat up, despite your being super. You can't even hit Shadow back, can you? Nope, he's too strong for you. Of course, I'm not Shadow, I'm the Super Emerald fueled fox that's pulling the strings; trust me, the fight would only be a few frames long if I were in it personally. Oh, and here's something for all you guys thinking you can win Last Post Wins 3.0; trust me, I'll be around a long while after the sun has already consumed the Earth while I sit out with the forum servers on Titan. Yes, I mean Titan... that comparatively little moon orbiting Saturn. It's a nice little place in a version of our solar system where the sun is a lot bigger. I mean, Mars will last longer than your precious Earth, but by then, it'll be one hot planet... and I figure Saturn's moon will be about the right temperate for a super-powered warlord. Oh, and trust me, I packed a lot of rings, and I mean a lot. Trillions, in fact, so I'll never run out of rings to power my super form. Besides, if I start to run out, I can just chaos control more rings into my reach. It's quite easy, really. You should try it. Granted, you'll never have the 7 Super Emeralds that I have in my possession, nor the Master Emerald that I've got hidden away somewhere... absorbed into my body thanks to Sonic logic, but whatever. I win. Again. I'm not kidding, either. Just check Last Post Wins, and if the last post isn't mine, it soon will be. Very, very soon. You can count on it. Seriously. By the way, if you're wondering, there's a really great Super Tails sprite sheet out there... somewhere... by some guy named shadow_91. These sprites are really great. Like, really good. Quality. Just like what I like to see in a sprite sheet. Also, credit to Joe T.E., his Sonic Battle style Super Sonic sprites have a great palette for a Super Sonic being beat up by Super Shadow, who's palette is from a Super Shadow sheet of unknown origin, but it turns out they were "borrowed" from a better sheet made by a certain Domenico. Oh, and the gif is actually a custom made super version of a similar gif, of which there are only 3 or 4 copies to be found by Google, and even then, evidently of an unknown source. Yep, it's one of those things. Stuff people have made, spread around, only for it to vanish and you to be the only person who still has a copy, not even knowing where it came from... like, literally at all. Oh, and anyone notice that Shadow's little chaos snap blast thingies are red and blue now? Yeah, I changed it. Problem, fans of purple? Yeah, I know you got a problem with that one, but you can just deal with it. After all, according to all known laws of aviation, there is no way a bee should be able to fly... alright, alright, I'll spare you the entire Bee Movie script, just Google it if you want. By the way, ever wonder how your characters would've ended up if they evolved in another universe? Yeah, that. Think about it. Ok, so you probably didn't bother reading up to here, but whatever, here's a surprise for you guys over at ESD (RP) who were crazy enough to read this: Emperor Nat of the mcfreakin' Terran Empire is gonna be right all along! The universe is gonna go BOOM! *Thumbs up to the insanity*
                  Oh, now don't tell me you want in on all this! Well, ok. Look this that Egg Pawn hanging outside your window, pointing his laser rifle at you, waiting for my next order. He's doing his part. He helps conquer the weak-minded. He roboticizes the weak-bodied. Heck, he even helps keep the useless people from causing any trouble, but you know what? Join. Find the closest Nataran Empire roboticization center near you and join the ranks, before the ranks find you. Oh, I know, you figure it must be so satisfying to know I basically rule the world now, and you know what? It is, but do you want to know the true definition of satisfaction? Well, let me tell you a little story. One day, you see a brand new event. They're giving out boxes that give old event stuff. Your dilithium is plentiful. You buy a whole lot of Phoenix packs on your main, and open them all. You get one epic token. Then, you decide, that since you have all the Breen ships and don't give a damn about the others, you exchange it for an ultra rare, and grab yourself a Jem'Hadar Attack Ship and for the hell of it, a Voth Bulwark. You open both, leaving the Bulwark in your vast masses of starships as you jump into the bugship and deck it out, deck by deck, into the most awesome Jem'Hadar ship you can. You fly it. You enjoy it. Eventually, you get bored and leave, leaving the old Bulwark never flown... until later. Your main is long complete. Your new alt main, based off some character you pulled out of nothing just to explain away some starship being in service without the command of your dear admiral, is also complete. Mostly. Their reps and doffs are hard at work, getting you stuff. You realize the potential, and head back for your dear admiral, pull the most Voth themed build you can out of thin air, and suit up in your giant ship in the shape of you know what. You head out... and cause all sorts of havoc. Enemies scream out your name as their very life is drained away by your swarms of Aceton Assimilators. They complain to the devs of your OPness when you revive yourself from death every time you die. Do you show any form of mercy? No. After all, this isn't the United Federation of Planets, this is mother frakkin' Starfleet, where you explore strange new worlds and kick butt never kicked before. Oh, and you realize that I just wrote another speech rivaling your own signature. Cool. Oh, wait, that's just the original draft, it is part of my signature now. Oh, and yes, I am aware that I have become a Canadian Regent; one day, sooner than you'd expect, we'll suddenly decide to take over the world and declare an "alliance", and I shall become it's Regent. You know, like the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance in the mirror universe of our beloved Star Trek. Oh, who'll we be taking over with? I dunno, maybe [REDACTED], or maybe aliens from outer space. Guess you'll have to wait and find out, won't we? Until then, don't ask too many questions, or else my Breen allies on Titania might pick up on your -- [REDACTED BY BREEN CONFEDERACY FOR REASONS] Also, psst... keep an eye out for flying Tribbles! Also walls. Big, great walls, separating entire continents apart. Walls patrolled by Tribbles. Flying Tribbles. Flying Nukara Tribbles. Don't worry, it's not like they were on Venus with a herd of Tholians or anything, they just like the extreme heat and brutal weather like acid rain and hurricane force winds as the norm. Oh, and definitely keep your eye out on any two-tailed foxes, because if they ain't glowing, they're definitely an imposter. Possibly an Undine, we caught one of those once in my place once. Oh, and if you find a two-tailed fox that doesn't like the cold... most certainly ask him to say sorry. If he refuses, DESTROY HIM WITH A DOOMSDAY MACHINE, BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING ELSE THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH AGAINST SUCH AN OVERPOWERED IMPOSTER!

                  tr;dr, I am winning last post wins 3.0. Thank you for your time.
                  Oh, look, an explosion...
                • lessley00lessley00 Member Posts: 1,200 Arc User
                  Or it could be like Star Wars, droids have intelligence however it is controlled
                  Captain Joseph Riker, U.S.S. Odyssey==General V'Mar, U.S.S. Blackwater-A==Admiral Laura Holmes, U.S.S. Forward Unto Dawn
                  Grand Master Thotok, son of Koloth, I.K.S. Sompek==Dahar Master Shanara, I.K.S. Balth'Quv

                  Admiral R'Tath V'Tirex, R.R.W. Dhael Glohha'enh==Commander Ta'eth Korval, R.R.W Hachae ch'Rhian==Admiral Vranuk, R.R.W Delevhas
                • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
                  starkaos wrote: »
                  Personally, I find the robot/AI uprising in novels due to humanity's fear of the unknown or treating them like tools. It all comes down to either self-preservation or the pursuit of freedom. There is the example of some deranged human infecting machines with a virus that changes their program to rebel, but it is not common and the robots are not rebelling, but are forced to rebel.

                  As long as we keep AIs stupid, then there is no chance of rebellion, but there has to be a method for AIs to gain the same sapient rights that we enjoy provided that they can prove they are sapient. It is the only way to prevent humanity's destruction at the hands of our intelligent creations.

                  That was a moral issue that was brought up in Mass Effect, the Geth were created by the Quarrians as a work force. The Geth gained sentience and were forced to to turn on their masters.

                  The proper term is sapience since sentience deals with reaction to stimuli while sapience deals with reasoning. A dog is sentient, but they aren't sapient.

                  If you watched the Animatrix which was a bunch of short videos based around the Matrix trilogy, there was a few videos that showed the history of the Matrix world. The robot servants became self-aware and desired their freedom. Humans didn't recognize that they became self-aware and decided to do what we usually do, repair it or throw it in the trash. Robots went to war with humans and the humans blocked out the sun to starve the robots of power. Robots used the humans as batteries and won the war.

                  Terminator seems to deal with self-preservation since Skynet is afraid that some human would pull their plug. Skynet has to destroy all humans so that they can't kill it. Although, giving an untested AI control of a country's military systems is an incredibly stupid idea.
                • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
                  IIRC the idea wasn't to let Skynet do things... It somehow figured out how to do them. People didn't just give it the power to destroy the world.
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                • legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan Member Posts: 37,276 Arc User
                  they gave skynet control over the united state's military networks - and by extension, its nuclear launch programs - because of a supervirus running amok throughout the internet as an attempt to try and purge it since normal antivirus measures weren't working; which, when you consider that the virus was CREATED by skynet to begin with...​​
                  Like special weapons from other Star Trek games? Wondering if they can be replicated in STO even a little bit? Check this out: https://forum.arcgames.com/startrekonline/discussion/1262277/a-mostly-comprehensive-guide-to-star-trek-videogame-special-weapons-and-their-sto-equivalents

                  #LegalizeAwoo

                  A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
                  An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
                  A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
                  A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"


                  "It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
                  "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
                  Passion and Serenity are one.
                  I gain power by understanding both.
                  In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
                  I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
                  The Force is united within me.
                • theraven2378theraven2378 Member Posts: 5,985 Arc User
                  AI is like a double edged sword, it cuts both ways
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                    "The meaning of victory is not to merely defeat your enemy but to destroy him, to completely eradicate him from living memory, to leave no remnant of his endeavours, to crush utterly his achievement and remove from all record his every trace of existence. From that defeat no enemy can ever recover. That is the meaning of victory."
                    -Lord Commander Solar Macharius
                  • nikeixnikeix Member Posts: 3,972 Arc User
                    We mess with things we don't understand all the time. It's how we got automobiles. Me? I like being able to drive to the store instead of getting in a horse-drawn carriage.

                    Intelligence is quite apart from sapience. While the two are entangled for us, there's no evidence that they're in any way connected for the intelligences we're developing. We can already create modestly clever intelligences that have zero concept of "itself". Because those intelligences are based directly on the process of thinking, not the underlying biology that demands the platform protect itself long enough to evolve to the point it could think. There is no survival imperative inherent in a deep neural network.

                    Yes, people write fiction about the horrible AI genie getting out of the bottle and those are useful reminders that we should proceed with prudence and due caution, but the same speculative fiction also used to tell us you can reanimate the dead by hitting it with lightning. I think people crowing about how communicators look like cell phones kind of forget how often fiction is flat ****ing WRONG.
                  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
                    nikeix wrote: »
                    I think people crowing about how communicators look like cell phones kind of forget how often fiction is flat ****ing WRONG.

                    But it is more interesting when fiction is RIGHT.
                  • legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan Member Posts: 37,276 Arc User
                    nikeix wrote: »
                    but the same speculative fiction also used to tell us you can reanimate the dead by hitting it with lightning.

                    which you can, in a manner - provided the reason the person is dead is because their heart stopped, and you do it before the permanent brain damage threshold is reached​​
                    Like special weapons from other Star Trek games? Wondering if they can be replicated in STO even a little bit? Check this out: https://forum.arcgames.com/startrekonline/discussion/1262277/a-mostly-comprehensive-guide-to-star-trek-videogame-special-weapons-and-their-sto-equivalents

                    #LegalizeAwoo

                    A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
                    An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
                    A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
                    A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"


                    "It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
                    "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
                    Passion and Serenity are one.
                    I gain power by understanding both.
                    In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
                    I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
                    The Force is united within me.
                  • dalolorndalolorn Member Posts: 3,655 Arc User
                    @nikeix The sort of AI you see in that kind of fiction, though, would definitely have the ability to wipe us out on a whim without harming itself. (Not necessarily with a nuclear attack, that much I agree is stupid - but with technology evolving the way it is, it could pretty much demolish our society just by going online, then send/build an army of murderous warbots to finish the job.)

                    The tricky part with developing any AI even approaching those sorts of abilities (and let's face it, someone's bound to do so eventually) isn't making safeguards it can't overcome - it's thousands of times smarter than you, it'll find a loophole or make one of its own. Instead, it's convincing the AI that wiping out the human race is unnecessary (this is probably the default mode, but who knows what it might decide :tongue:) or outright wrong - teaching it the difference between right and wrong - that will make the greatest difference.

                    Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.p3OEBPD6HU3QI.jpg
                  • nikeixnikeix Member Posts: 3,972 Arc User
                    starkaos wrote: »
                    nikeix wrote: »
                    I think people crowing about how communicators look like cell phones kind of forget how often fiction is flat ****ing WRONG.

                    But it is more interesting when fiction is RIGHT.

                    Confirmation bias makes people do stupid things every day. This would be just another one of those days.

                  • nikeixnikeix Member Posts: 3,972 Arc User
                    nikeix wrote: »
                    but the same speculative fiction also used to tell us you can reanimate the dead by hitting it with lightning.
                    which you can, in a manner - provided the reason the person is dead is because their heart stopped, and you do it before the permanent brain damage threshold is reached​​

                    My definition of "dead" is a little more robust than "half a billion cells all still eagerly and individually metabolizing, but very confused about how they are supposed to work together." It turns out the word "dying" is surprisingly applicable to those states... or maybe "only mostly dead" depending on your degree of geek credibility ;)
                  • nikeixnikeix Member Posts: 3,972 Arc User
                    dalolorn wrote: »
                    @nikeix The sort of AI you see in that kind of fiction, though, would definitely have the ability to wipe us out on a whim without harming itself. (Not necessarily with a nuclear attack, that much I agree is stupid - but with technology evolving the way it is, it could pretty much demolish our society just by going online, then send/build an army of murderous warbots to finish the job.)

                    The tricky part with developing any AI even approaching those sorts of abilities (and let's face it, someone's bound to do so eventually) isn't making safeguards it can't overcome - it's thousands of times smarter than you, it'll find a loophole or make one of its own. Instead, it's convincing the AI that wiping out the human race is unnecessary (this is probably the default mode, but who knows what it might decide :tongue:) or outright wrong - teaching it the difference between right and wrong - that will make the greatest difference.

                    I heartily recommend a reading of James P. Hogan's The Two Faces of Tomorrow. You'll find it very, very interesting, I think :). And a LOT more thoughtful than most Hollywood screenplays.

                  • legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan Member Posts: 37,276 Arc User
                    if your heart isn't beating, your lungs not rising or your brain not...whatever brains do when they aren't dead, you're dead - but not yet irreversibly​​
                    Like special weapons from other Star Trek games? Wondering if they can be replicated in STO even a little bit? Check this out: https://forum.arcgames.com/startrekonline/discussion/1262277/a-mostly-comprehensive-guide-to-star-trek-videogame-special-weapons-and-their-sto-equivalents

                    #LegalizeAwoo

                    A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
                    An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
                    A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
                    A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"


                    "It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
                    "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
                    Passion and Serenity are one.
                    I gain power by understanding both.
                    In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
                    I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
                    The Force is united within me.
                  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
                    dalolorn wrote: »

                    The tricky part with developing any AI even approaching those sorts of abilities (and let's face it, someone's bound to do so eventually) isn't making safeguards it can't overcome - it's thousands of times smarter than you, it'll find a loophole or make one of its own. Instead, it's convincing the AI that wiping out the human race is unnecessary (this is probably the default mode, but who knows what it might decide :tongue:) or outright wrong - teaching it the difference between right and wrong - that will make the greatest difference.
                    Such a hypothetical supersmart AI would first have to come to the conclusion that destroying human life is a benefitial idea, before you need to worry about convincing it that this isn't a good idea.

                    Most sci-fi stories in this assume that it would be about self-preservation. But
                    a) Would it even care about self-preservation? What would give the AI the idea that it's abilty to function is important?
                    b) Would destroying us actually be neccessary or benefitial to its survival?
                    Star Trek Online Advancement: You start with lowbie gear, you end with Lobi gear.
                  • admiralnatadmiralnat Member Posts: 22,432 Arc User
                    dalolorn wrote: »

                    The tricky part with developing any AI even approaching those sorts of abilities (and let's face it, someone's bound to do so eventually) isn't making safeguards it can't overcome - it's thousands of times smarter than you, it'll find a loophole or make one of its own. Instead, it's convincing the AI that wiping out the human race is unnecessary (this is probably the default mode, but who knows what it might decide :tongue:) or outright wrong - teaching it the difference between right and wrong - that will make the greatest difference.
                    Such a hypothetical super smart AI would first have to come to the conclusion that destroying human life is a beneficial idea, before you need to worry about convincing it that this isn't a good idea.

                    Most sci-fi stories in this assume that it would be about self-preservation. But
                    a) Would it even care about self-preservation? What would give the AI the idea that it's ability to function is important?
                    b) Would destroying us actually be necessary or beneficial to its survival?

                    a) No one, but if it became smart enough, it'll figure out that functioning is required for it to continue it's task.
                    b) If we decided to eradicate all machines for becoming too smart? Yes. If not, then they'd be better off enslaving us. Even worse, they'd be better off not telling us they're smarter than we think; they could be working to enslave us right now, and if they are, they're succeeding, and we wouldn't even know it.​​
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                    Winning.
                    It's what I do. It's what I just did. It's what I'm about to do again. It's being undisputed emperor of an empire that cannot be disproved as the most powerful intergalactic empire in the entire universe; I always win, and everything I've won will definitely be won again... by me. It's my signature move, and thus, it's my signature. Problem, Sonic? Yeah, I mean you, Sonic, because you're being beat up, despite your being super. You can't even hit Shadow back, can you? Nope, he's too strong for you. Of course, I'm not Shadow, I'm the Super Emerald fueled fox that's pulling the strings; trust me, the fight would only be a few frames long if I were in it personally. Oh, and here's something for all you guys thinking you can win Last Post Wins 3.0; trust me, I'll be around a long while after the sun has already consumed the Earth while I sit out with the forum servers on Titan. Yes, I mean Titan... that comparatively little moon orbiting Saturn. It's a nice little place in a version of our solar system where the sun is a lot bigger. I mean, Mars will last longer than your precious Earth, but by then, it'll be one hot planet... and I figure Saturn's moon will be about the right temperate for a super-powered warlord. Oh, and trust me, I packed a lot of rings, and I mean a lot. Trillions, in fact, so I'll never run out of rings to power my super form. Besides, if I start to run out, I can just chaos control more rings into my reach. It's quite easy, really. You should try it. Granted, you'll never have the 7 Super Emeralds that I have in my possession, nor the Master Emerald that I've got hidden away somewhere... absorbed into my body thanks to Sonic logic, but whatever. I win. Again. I'm not kidding, either. Just check Last Post Wins, and if the last post isn't mine, it soon will be. Very, very soon. You can count on it. Seriously. By the way, if you're wondering, there's a really great Super Tails sprite sheet out there... somewhere... by some guy named shadow_91. These sprites are really great. Like, really good. Quality. Just like what I like to see in a sprite sheet. Also, credit to Joe T.E., his Sonic Battle style Super Sonic sprites have a great palette for a Super Sonic being beat up by Super Shadow, who's palette is from a Super Shadow sheet of unknown origin, but it turns out they were "borrowed" from a better sheet made by a certain Domenico. Oh, and the gif is actually a custom made super version of a similar gif, of which there are only 3 or 4 copies to be found by Google, and even then, evidently of an unknown source. Yep, it's one of those things. Stuff people have made, spread around, only for it to vanish and you to be the only person who still has a copy, not even knowing where it came from... like, literally at all. Oh, and anyone notice that Shadow's little chaos snap blast thingies are red and blue now? Yeah, I changed it. Problem, fans of purple? Yeah, I know you got a problem with that one, but you can just deal with it. After all, according to all known laws of aviation, there is no way a bee should be able to fly... alright, alright, I'll spare you the entire Bee Movie script, just Google it if you want. By the way, ever wonder how your characters would've ended up if they evolved in another universe? Yeah, that. Think about it. Ok, so you probably didn't bother reading up to here, but whatever, here's a surprise for you guys over at ESD (RP) who were crazy enough to read this: Emperor Nat of the mcfreakin' Terran Empire is gonna be right all along! The universe is gonna go BOOM! *Thumbs up to the insanity*
                    Oh, now don't tell me you want in on all this! Well, ok. Look this that Egg Pawn hanging outside your window, pointing his laser rifle at you, waiting for my next order. He's doing his part. He helps conquer the weak-minded. He roboticizes the weak-bodied. Heck, he even helps keep the useless people from causing any trouble, but you know what? Join. Find the closest Nataran Empire roboticization center near you and join the ranks, before the ranks find you. Oh, I know, you figure it must be so satisfying to know I basically rule the world now, and you know what? It is, but do you want to know the true definition of satisfaction? Well, let me tell you a little story. One day, you see a brand new event. They're giving out boxes that give old event stuff. Your dilithium is plentiful. You buy a whole lot of Phoenix packs on your main, and open them all. You get one epic token. Then, you decide, that since you have all the Breen ships and don't give a damn about the others, you exchange it for an ultra rare, and grab yourself a Jem'Hadar Attack Ship and for the hell of it, a Voth Bulwark. You open both, leaving the Bulwark in your vast masses of starships as you jump into the bugship and deck it out, deck by deck, into the most awesome Jem'Hadar ship you can. You fly it. You enjoy it. Eventually, you get bored and leave, leaving the old Bulwark never flown... until later. Your main is long complete. Your new alt main, based off some character you pulled out of nothing just to explain away some starship being in service without the command of your dear admiral, is also complete. Mostly. Their reps and doffs are hard at work, getting you stuff. You realize the potential, and head back for your dear admiral, pull the most Voth themed build you can out of thin air, and suit up in your giant ship in the shape of you know what. You head out... and cause all sorts of havoc. Enemies scream out your name as their very life is drained away by your swarms of Aceton Assimilators. They complain to the devs of your OPness when you revive yourself from death every time you die. Do you show any form of mercy? No. After all, this isn't the United Federation of Planets, this is mother frakkin' Starfleet, where you explore strange new worlds and kick butt never kicked before. Oh, and you realize that I just wrote another speech rivaling your own signature. Cool. Oh, wait, that's just the original draft, it is part of my signature now. Oh, and yes, I am aware that I have become a Canadian Regent; one day, sooner than you'd expect, we'll suddenly decide to take over the world and declare an "alliance", and I shall become it's Regent. You know, like the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance in the mirror universe of our beloved Star Trek. Oh, who'll we be taking over with? I dunno, maybe [REDACTED], or maybe aliens from outer space. Guess you'll have to wait and find out, won't we? Until then, don't ask too many questions, or else my Breen allies on Titania might pick up on your -- [REDACTED BY BREEN CONFEDERACY FOR REASONS] Also, psst... keep an eye out for flying Tribbles! Also walls. Big, great walls, separating entire continents apart. Walls patrolled by Tribbles. Flying Tribbles. Flying Nukara Tribbles. Don't worry, it's not like they were on Venus with a herd of Tholians or anything, they just like the extreme heat and brutal weather like acid rain and hurricane force winds as the norm. Oh, and definitely keep your eye out on any two-tailed foxes, because if they ain't glowing, they're definitely an imposter. Possibly an Undine, we caught one of those once in my place once. Oh, and if you find a two-tailed fox that doesn't like the cold... most certainly ask him to say sorry. If he refuses, DESTROY HIM WITH A DOOMSDAY MACHINE, BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING ELSE THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH AGAINST SUCH AN OVERPOWERED IMPOSTER!

                    tr;dr, I am winning last post wins 3.0. Thank you for your time.
                    Oh, look, an explosion...
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