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  • angrybobhangrybobh Member Posts: 420 Arc User
    ssbn655 wrote: »

    No they will not after the 8th READ THE NOTE at the bottom/

    Note: Only newly purchased Research and Development packs will offer the chance to win the Special Requisition Choice Pack - Tier 6 Promotional Ship Choice Pack during this promotional event. Packs purchased before or after the event will not offer bonus Lobi or the Special Requisition Choice Pack - Tier 6 Promotional Ship Choice Pack. Packs purchased during the event, but opened after the event ends, will still benefit from this promotion’s bonus rewards.

    That note? That states that only packs bought during the promotion will be the special ones containing this particular promotion. It clearly says nothing about old promotional packs.
  • ssbn655ssbn655 Member Posts: 1,894 Arc User
    edited December 2016
    ssbn655 wrote: »
    LMAO I love how this is going to hit the hoarders in the wallet. All those hoarded boxes from before with the TOS connie going for insane prices are now worthless. Yup that's right folks those boxes will not grant the ships anymore LMAO! Read the note. LOL Love it!

    Nope.
    Packs purchased during the event, but opened after the event ends, will still benefit from this promotion’s bonus rewards.

    Old R&D "promotion" packs can still give you a Connie if the RNG gods love you. These packs can still give you the ship of your choice even if you don't open them until 2019. Old ship boxes from winning the lottery still work.

    What is true is that the Annorax and Connie will drop from the current 1 - 2 billion EC to something less insane like 500-750 million.
    ssbn655 wrote: »
    LMAO I love how this is going to hit the hoarders in the wallet. All those hoarded boxes from before with the TOS connie going for insane prices are now worthless. Yup that's right folks those boxes will not grant the ships anymore LMAO! Read the note. LOL Love it!

    Assuming people still have the boxes that say Promotion! from the TOS ship, those should still grant the ships if the pack does drop the ship.

    It's pretty damn clear that the packs hoarded from the earlier event are not going to be rewarding the ships so they are really worth squat after Thursday. Quote from the very announcement : NOTE: Only newly purchased research and development packs will offer the chance to win the PROMOTIONAL SPECIAL REQUSITION CHOICE-TIER 6 PROMOTIONAL CHOICE PACK during this promotional event. Packs purchased before or after the event WILL NOT OFFER BONUS LOBI OR THE SPECIAL REQUISTION CHOICE PACK-TIER 6 PROMOTIONAL SHIP CHOICE PACK. Packs purchased during the event but opened after the event will still benefit from this promotion's bonus rewards.
  • ssbn655ssbn655 Member Posts: 1,894 Arc User
    While this cheapens the Connie somewhat, I believe that they still will be quite Rare* so the price will still be high and all the previous boxes will still be worth it.

    These won't hit the exchange, just like last time.

    *based on awful RnG rate of Phoenix boxes.

    No they will not drop those ships anymore! Read the note at the bototm of the annoucement.
  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,501 Arc User
    ssbn655 wrote: »
    ssbn655 wrote: »
    LMAO I love how this is going to hit the hoarders in the wallet. All those hoarded boxes from before with the TOS connie going for insane prices are now worthless. Yup that's right folks those boxes will not grant the ships anymore LMAO! Read the note. LOL Love it!

    Nope.
    Packs purchased during the event, but opened after the event ends, will still benefit from this promotion’s bonus rewards.

    Old R&D "promotion" packs can still give you a Connie if the RNG gods love you. These packs can still give you the ship of your choice even if you don't open them until 2019. Old ship boxes from winning the lottery still work.

    What is true is that the Annorax and Connie will drop from the current 1 - 2 billion EC to something less insane like 500-750 million.

    No they will not after the 8th READ THE NOTE at the bottom/

    The note I quoted from saying that packs already purchased WOULD STILL WORK after that?

    The note says packs PURCHASED before or after this event will not give you THIS EVENT'S REWARDS. Old packs from old events still give old rewards. Just like old lock boxes can still be opened. And old special doff packs. And old ship reward boxes from old lock boxes.
  • thlaylierahthlaylierah Member Posts: 2,983 Arc User
    edited December 2016
    Actually if you read the wording correctly it's referring to the current promotion boxes the old boxes will still work before, during and after the promotion.

    Little wishful thinking there but they would never TRIBBLE over their higher paying customers like that.
  • potasssiumpotasssium Member Posts: 1,226 Arc User
    The old promotional packs will still be effectively promotional for those items.

    The part in the news post about packs purchased before or after refers simply to regular R&D packs,
    not previous Promo Packs.

    I don't understand how people could not understand this, it's pretty damn simple.

    it's just a disclaimer saying that regular packs will not become promotional packs, it is not turning old promotional packs into regular packs.
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  • officerbatman81officerbatman81 Member Posts: 2,761 Arc User
    @ssbn655
    How did you come to the conclusion that my feelings were hurt? That i pointed out you were wrong and have an attitude problem doesnt affect me emotionally in the slightest. :/
  • devron7devron7 Member Posts: 42 Arc User
    edited December 2016
    ssbn655 wrote: »
    devron7 wrote: »
    God damn you Cryptic! I read the post 3 times looking for a start date and didn't see any. So I bought a 4 pack and opened 1. No lobi or etc. Then I see here "dates added"! And it's days away! So give me my 1000 Zen back and take these 3 packs back! :#

    [Successfully submitted ticket ID # 4,216,743.]


    I hope you bought with credit card so you have some recourse if Cryptic decides to **** you.

    LMAO fool didn't read the whole thing it clearly says Starting Dec. 8 yad yada yada... Boo hooo.

    It didn't show a date at first, it was added later. He read the whole thing clearly, and because there was no date at the time, it gave the impression it started today, so he bought 4 packs.

  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,569 Arc User
    edited December 2016
    Problems with the CO2 scrubbers?

    When there is a Promotion, it will clearly state on the C-Store write-up about that Promotion. If not there, then no Promotion. Same with the Packs. If a Pack does not say Promotion! on it, it is not a Promotion Pack so STOP buying them and take stock of your situation.

    Old Promotion Packs will not be turned into normal R&D Packs or Delta Alliance Duty Officer Packs. The R&D will still provide either 10 Lobi or whatever ship that was being promoted. It will not become an Infinity R&D Promotion Pack. That is all. Cryptic has stated each time in the past that Promotion Packs will remain Promotion Packs forever more, PERIOD.
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  • ambassadorkael#6946 ambassadorkael Member, Administrator Posts: 2,674 Community Manager
    Hey folks,

    This thread is getting a little bit heated. Try to keep things on the civil side.
  • ssbn655ssbn655 Member Posts: 1,894 Arc User
    ssbn655 wrote: »
    ssbn655 wrote: »
    LMAO I love how this is going to hit the hoarders in the wallet. All those hoarded boxes from before with the TOS connie going for insane prices are now worthless. Yup that's right folks those boxes will not grant the ships anymore LMAO! Read the note. LOL Love it!

    Nope.
    Packs purchased during the event, but opened after the event ends, will still benefit from this promotion’s bonus rewards.

    Old R&D "promotion" packs can still give you a Connie if the RNG gods love you. These packs can still give you the ship of your choice even if you don't open them until 2019. Old ship boxes from winning the lottery still work.

    What is true is that the Annorax and Connie will drop from the current 1 - 2 billion EC to something less insane like 500-750 million.
    ssbn655 wrote: »
    LMAO I love how this is going to hit the hoarders in the wallet. All those hoarded boxes from before with the TOS connie going for insane prices are now worthless. Yup that's right folks those boxes will not grant the ships anymore LMAO! Read the note. LOL Love it!

    Assuming people still have the boxes that say Promotion! from the TOS ship, those should still grant the ships if the pack does drop the ship.

    It's pretty damn clear that the packs hoarded from the earlier event are not going to be rewarding the ships so they are really worth squat after Thursday. Quote from the very announcement : NOTE: Only newly purchased research and development packs will offer the chance to win the PROMOTIONAL SPECIAL REQUSITION CHOICE-TIER 6 PROMOTIONAL CHOICE PACK during this promotional event. Packs purchased before or after the event WILL NOT OFFER BONUS LOBI OR THE SPECIAL REQUISTION CHOICE PACK-TIER 6 PROMOTIONAL SHIP CHOICE PACK. Packs purchased during the event but opened after the event will still benefit from this promotion's bonus rewards.

    you don't understand it, you're wrong.

    If this is wrong then they should more clear on the wording. It should state that "the old promotion packs are still valid" but it does not. By implication the statement "Packs pruchased before the event ... will not offer..." means that the prior event packs are not valid for those rewards anymore. And frankly if I were running the event that is exactly what would happen as it would generate more sales of new packs as the old ones were no longer offering them.
  • potasssiumpotasssium Member Posts: 1,226 Arc User
    ssbn655 wrote: »

    If this is wrong then they should more clear on the wording. It should state that "the old promotion packs are still valid" but it does not. By implication the statement "Packs pruchased before the event ... will not offer..." means that the prior event packs are not valid for those rewards anymore. And frankly if I were running the event that is exactly what would happen as it would generate more sales of new packs as the old ones were no longer offering them.

    No you are making an incorrect conclusion, one that is not supported bu previous Promo's.

    Old packs will not become Promo Packs, is what they are saying.

    They are not saying old promotion packs will become standard R&D packs. They would have crazy backlash if they did that, that is the kind of TRIBBLE only Apple can get away with.

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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
    ltminns wrote: »
    Problems with the CO2 scrubbers?

    When there is a Promotion, it will clearly state on the C-Store write-up about that Promotion. If not there, then no Promotion. Same with the Packs. If a Pack does not say Promotion! on it, it is not a Promotion Pack so STOP buying them and take stock of your situation.

    Old Promotion Packs will not be turned into normal R&D Packs or Delta Alliance Duty Officer Packs. The R&D will still provide either 10 Lobi or whatever ship that was being promoted. It will not become an Infinity R&D Promotion Pack. That is all. Cryptic has stated each time in the past that Promotion Packs will remain Promotion Packs forever more, PERIOD.
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  • cristonic2cristonic2 Member Posts: 68 Arc User
    sadly, R&D is so bad on STO now I can't even see buying a R&D pack even for a chance to get any of these ships. I would likely be far more interested if we could actually craft something worth having that didn't take all day to finish. Really, you can grind everything But the CHANCE to get one of the ships without spending Zen.
  • iceman#0849 iceman Member Posts: 59 Arc User
    What is the drop rate?
  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,501 Arc User
    edited December 2016
    What is the drop rate?

    R&D packs have been 1% in the past, much better than lock boxes but of course the packs cost more.

    Buying with EC is still the smarter move.

    100 packs = 1- (.99 ^ 100) = 0.634 = 63.4% chance to get at least one ship. So one third of all players who open 100 packs will NOT get a ship.

    150 packs = 1 - (.99 ^ 150) = 0.779 = 77.9% chance to get at least one ship. One fifth of all players who open 150 packs will NOT get a ship.

    (Before someone brings up the Gambler's Fallacy, this is the dependent probability of getting NO ships, that is rolling a d100 die N times and never rolling a 1. It is valid before you open any of the N packs.)
  • nebfabnebfab Member Posts: 672 Arc User
    edited December 2016
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    What is the drop rate?

    R&D packs have been 1% in the past, much better than lock boxes but of course the packs cost more.

    Buying with EC is still the smarter move.

    100 packs = 1- (.99 ^ 100) = 0.634 = 63.4% chance to get at least one ship. So one third of all players who open 100 packs will NOT get a ship.

    150 packs = 1 - (.99 ^ 150) = 0.779 = 77.9% chance to get at least one ship. One fifth of all players who open 150 packs will NOT get a ship.

    (Before someone brings up the Gambler's Fallacy, this is the dependent probability of getting NO ships, that is rolling a d100 die N times and never rolling a 1. It is valid before you open any of the N packs.)

    or the classic "rule of three:" If chance of something is 1/x then 3x trials give you approximately 95% probability of seeing it at least once. Again, only applies before any trials: 301th pack has no better or worse odds of the grand prize than the 1st, if the prize code is indeed a fair RNG with no memory of previous events (or close enough to it that even NSA hadn't cracked it yet.)
  • birzarkbirzark Member Posts: 634 Arc User
    Arent the normal prices of that 4 pack 1000zen? They usually dont raise prices on packs before with other promos with ships 10kzen is a bit much.
  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,569 Arc User
    They are not charging you 10,000 Zen for an R&D Bundle. Still 1,000. What they are saying is if you SPEND 10,000 Zen on ANYTHING during this Promotion, they will award you with a free R&D Bundle afterwards.
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  • jtoon74jtoon74 Member Posts: 409 Arc User
    I did but I have no bundle.
  • themadprofessor#9835 themadprofessor Member Posts: 1,203 Arc User
    jtoon74 wrote: »
    I did but I have no bundle.

    Same here.
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    1) More character customization options such as more clothing options, letting the toon complexion affect the entire body, not just the head. Also a true RGB color picker applied to all costume and appearance options, which would allow for true appearance customization and homogenous colors instead of "this same exact color looks vastly different on two different pieces."
    2) Bridge customization, not bridge packs. Let us pick a general layout and adjust the color palette, console appearance, and chair types, as well as more ready room layout options.
    3) Customizable ground weapons, i.e. The aesthetic look of phaser dual pistols but they shoot antiproton bolts. For obvious reasons this would only apply to standard ground weapons.
    4) For the love of Q please revamp Plasma Ground Weapons. They look like demented Supersoakers right now.
    5) True Vanity Impulse and Deflector effects similar to Vanity Shields.
    6) A greater payout for hitting T6 Reputations. Currently it takes more time and resources to get from T5 to T6 than it does to get from nothing to T5. Make that grind really pay out at the end.
    7) Mirrorverse Refugee event similar to AoY/Delta/Gamma, complete with new Mirrorverse recruits for all factions.
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  • h4p4xh4p4x Member Posts: 35 Arc User
    I haven't gotten mine yet either, but it does read, on the page, that delivery would be during the week of 12/16, so they have until tomorrow. Has anyone else got his/hers yet?
  • bridgernbridgern Member Posts: 709 Arc User
    For how long will the Promotion Box be available?
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  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,569 Arc User
    You can purchase from the C-Store until maintenance on January 5th. They can be purchased off the Exchange as long as people post them there. They will function as this Infinity R&D Promotion until the game shuts down.

    If you end up buying any off the Exchange, Right Click on them to ensure they are the Infinity R&D Promotion and not an earlier R&D Promotion. The icon on the Pack is another tell-tale but may be hard to see on the Exchange image.
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  • themadprofessor#9835 themadprofessor Member Posts: 1,203 Arc User
    The specific pack imagery has apparently been changed to where you have a box with the infinity symbol as well as a starship superimposed above and to the left. Opening this box gives you the R&D pack as well as the Lobi or ship.

    Should be easier to spot them this way.
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    Things I want in STO:

    1) More character customization options such as more clothing options, letting the toon complexion affect the entire body, not just the head. Also a true RGB color picker applied to all costume and appearance options, which would allow for true appearance customization and homogenous colors instead of "this same exact color looks vastly different on two different pieces."
    2) Bridge customization, not bridge packs. Let us pick a general layout and adjust the color palette, console appearance, and chair types, as well as more ready room layout options.
    3) Customizable ground weapons, i.e. The aesthetic look of phaser dual pistols but they shoot antiproton bolts. For obvious reasons this would only apply to standard ground weapons.
    4) For the love of Q please revamp Plasma Ground Weapons. They look like demented Supersoakers right now.
    5) True Vanity Impulse and Deflector effects similar to Vanity Shields.
    6) A greater payout for hitting T6 Reputations. Currently it takes more time and resources to get from T5 to T6 than it does to get from nothing to T5. Make that grind really pay out at the end.
    7) Mirrorverse Refugee event similar to AoY/Delta/Gamma, complete with new Mirrorverse recruits for all factions.
    8) Independent Faction, because yo ho yo ho a pirate's life for me!
  • bridgernbridgern Member Posts: 709 Arc User
    Thanks for the info.
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  • jtoon74jtoon74 Member Posts: 409 Arc User
    Its the 18th and I'm still waiting.
  • themadprofessor#9835 themadprofessor Member Posts: 1,203 Arc User
    jtoon74 wrote: »
    Its the 18th and I'm still waiting.

    Official word is that there was a goof with it and it'll be out on Monday, the 19th.
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    Things I want in STO:

    1) More character customization options such as more clothing options, letting the toon complexion affect the entire body, not just the head. Also a true RGB color picker applied to all costume and appearance options, which would allow for true appearance customization and homogenous colors instead of "this same exact color looks vastly different on two different pieces."
    2) Bridge customization, not bridge packs. Let us pick a general layout and adjust the color palette, console appearance, and chair types, as well as more ready room layout options.
    3) Customizable ground weapons, i.e. The aesthetic look of phaser dual pistols but they shoot antiproton bolts. For obvious reasons this would only apply to standard ground weapons.
    4) For the love of Q please revamp Plasma Ground Weapons. They look like demented Supersoakers right now.
    5) True Vanity Impulse and Deflector effects similar to Vanity Shields.
    6) A greater payout for hitting T6 Reputations. Currently it takes more time and resources to get from T5 to T6 than it does to get from nothing to T5. Make that grind really pay out at the end.
    7) Mirrorverse Refugee event similar to AoY/Delta/Gamma, complete with new Mirrorverse recruits for all factions.
    8) Independent Faction, because yo ho yo ho a pirate's life for me!
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