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Next Major Expansion Location: Gamma Quadrant or Andromeda Galaxy?

zerokillcf2011zerokillcf2011 Member Posts: 545 Arc User
Just to see feelings of player base for two viable expansions, Gamma Quadrant as pushed by DS9 of course, or Andromeda as mentioned multiple time through various Solanae/Sphere/Iconian arcs.

Next Major Expansion Location: Gamma Quadrant or Andromeda Galaxy? 132 votes

Gamma Quadrant
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Andromeda Galaxy
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Other - Explain
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  • zerokillcf2011zerokillcf2011 Member Posts: 545 Arc User
    Andromeda Galaxy
    Andromeda: Personally, given Cryptic's overall decent design staff and creative teams, I would say lets go somewhere COMPLETELY different!
  • risian4risian4 Member Posts: 3,711 Arc User
    I would like to note that we only visited the Andromeda Galaxy once. By using a Gateway that destabilised after we returned, with Sela the only one knowing which coordinates to put in.

    This Gateway also led us to another Dyson Sphere, and the Iconians didn't really like it when we got there. Since we promised to leave them alone, it probably would be best not to go there again.

    There is no way to reach the Andromeda galaxy again, not without pissing off the Iconians again at least.
  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,958 Arc User
    Gamma Quadrant
    I think Gamma Quadrant first, then Andromeda Galaxy.

    In the Gamma Quadrant, we can deal with the Hur'q and their Fek'lhri creations, and their conflict with the Dominion. The story can also focus a bit more on the Klingon and their history.

    Once we concluded that, we can use salvaged, reverse engineering or modified Iconian Gateway technology to visit the Andromeda Galaxy and see what wonders await us there. Maybe we figure out what happened to the Kelvans?
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  • marcusdkanemarcusdkane Member Posts: 7,439 Arc User
    Gamma Quadrant
    Gamma Quadrant: Seeing what and who else is in the GQ would be interesting B) And it doesn't have to be against the Dominion, either, asThe Character already has good relations with The Founder, and a Jem'Hadar minder, so a different foe like the Hur'q could be explored B)
  • asuran14asuran14 Member Posts: 2,326 Arc User
    Other - Explain
    I would not mind more of a split expansion, like that you have two mission you can take that lead to a different story arc, and until you finish that story arc the other arc is not able to be started. Hell I would not mind more branching in the story arcs, which might give re-playing the missions a bit more longevity. I could see us going into both the Gamma quad with the Dominion seeking a repayment for the aid they lent using the Iconian war via helping them deal with the hur'q/Fek'lhri.

    While I could also see us going back into the Delta quad to further explore areas of it that after the Vaadwaur war, which lead us into the Iconian war a short time later. I think it would be quite fun to several mini-arcs that you play thru learning about several of the other races in the Delta quad, maybe a Arc dealing with a civil war between those Vaadwaur that wish to fallow Eldex an those seeking to adhere to how Gaul saw their future.

    I can definitely agree I doubt that we will see a expansion that goes into another galaxy like andromeda. Though I could see us maybe going into fully exploring an dealing with the Mirror setting. Like that several of the races/alliances in the Mirror universe send some ambassadors into the prime universe to seek aid after the Terran empire might have started expanding at a extreme speed with the tech they had gained.

    I think a split expansion that has it's story arcs an focus divided between two areas would be a lot more work to do, but I think that for the playerbase it would be well worth the work put into it for more variety.
  • dgwynne2611dgwynne2611 Member Posts: 13 Arc User
    Gamma Quadrant
    I would love to see more from the Gamma Quadrant. Both sound like great opportunities, though.
  • cidjackcidjack Member Posts: 2,017 Arc User
    Man, anotyer poll and topic on expansions for STO? That has never ever been suggested before on these forums!

    Man OP, the Devs are going to give you a Zen bonus for mentioning this!
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member Posts: 55,676 Community Moderator
    Andromeda Galaxy
    risian4 wrote: »
    I would like to note that we only visited the Andromeda Galaxy once. By using a Gateway that destabilised after we returned, with Sela the only one knowing which coordinates to put in.

    This Gateway also led us to another Dyson Sphere, and the Iconians didn't really like it when we got there. Since we promised to leave them alone, it probably would be best not to go there again.

    There is no way to reach the Andromeda galaxy again, not without pissing off the Iconians again at least.

    We actually don't know that. We only know of the one Iconian Gate that Sela knew about. With how long the Iconians had been in Andromeda, I wouldn't be surprised if there was a Gate network there as well. We just need to find the key.

    You know... kinda like how they dial Pegasus in Stargate. ;)
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  • captkelly31#5645 captkelly31 Member Posts: 392 Arc User
    edited December 2016
    Gamma Quadrant
    Actually the area between DS9 and the Gamma quadrant normally avoided due to the wormhole, gotta be something there.

    Had Andromeda taken the lead, i would suggest a mix of non-human/atleast only vaguely humanoid inhabitants, to go with the description of the Kelvans, my opinion being the Preservers had no presence there.

    The (either) was part of an removed portion, ignore it pls.
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  • marcusdkanemarcusdkane Member Posts: 7,439 Arc User
    Gamma Quadrant
    Actually the area between DS9 and the Gamma quadrant normally avoided due to the wormhole, gotta be something there.

    Had Andromeda taken the lead, i would suggest a mix of non-human/atleast only vaguely humanoid inhabitants, to go with the description of the Kelvans, my opinion being the Preservers had either no presence there.
    That's an interesting notion, but one that makes absolute sense due to a lack of Preserver presence... Nice idea B)
  • admiralkogaradmiralkogar Member Posts: 875 Arc User
    Andromeda Galaxy
    Andromeda: Personally, given Cryptic's overall decent design staff and creative teams, I would say lets go somewhere COMPLETELY different!

    Yes! Also didn't Worf once mention fighting Kelvans already? Wasn't that an episode with a feral child? Anyway.

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  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,774 Arc User
    Other - Explain
    I predict the next "expansion" will be 4 or 5 missions in the mirror universe, with a mega bundle consisting of existing c-store ships with different spec seating and better traits
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  • jcsteelejcsteele Member Posts: 138 Arc User
    Gamma Quadrant
    Let's finish this galaxy before we go beyond the Great Barrier.
  • vegeta50024vegeta50024 Member Posts: 2,304 Arc User
    Gamma Quadrant
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    Is there something I am missing here? Just looks like the current game map.

    I predict the next "expansion" will be 4 or 5 missions in the mirror universe
    >Next expansion will only have 5 missions
    By what logic?

    Legacy of Romulus: 6 Cross-faction missions, 23 Romulan missions, 5 Klingon missions. (33)

    Delta Rising: 9 Delta Quadrant missions, 6 Patrol Wrapper missions, 10 Kobali missions (25)

    Agents of Yesterday: 5 TOS missions, 5 cross faction missions (10)

    Every Expansion has been on a downward slope of new missions introduced. Now, maybe the next Expansion might change this, but @evilmark444 is speculating that they won't give us that many missions for another expansion.

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  • ufpterrellufpterrell Member Posts: 736 Arc User
    Gamma Quadrant
    Every Expansion has been on a downward slope of new missions introduced.
    That really ignores the differences in how those expansions were handled.

    Before LoR hit, we had a drought of new content. There were basically zero story missions for many many many months, and all we really got was the Nukara Battlezone for some time before it.

    Similarly, in the year and a half between LoR and Delta Rising, we got all of 3 ACTUAL story missions(Sphere of Influence, A Step Between Stars, Surface Tension)

    However, In the year and a half between Delta Rising and Agents of Yesterday, we got 12 story missions(the entire Iconian War arc and 4 missions in the Future Proof Arc). And Agents of Yesterday continued/finished the Future Proof Arc.

    We got less missions in Agents of Yesterday because they didn't content drought us between expansions, and basically released the expansion over time, before dropping the rest of it/the end of it as one content dump.

    Basically everything in the Future Proof arc should be counted as being part of Agents of Yesterday, because that is what it is. It was the first part of the expansion released before the primary content dump so we didn't have to spend 1.5 years getting next to nothing like we did with the previous expansions(something everyone complained about)

    Not to mention AoY is unique in that it got an actual second part, aka Artifacts, which is adding even more missions into AoY as an offical part of AoY.

    I have to agree with this, instead of throwing out a huge amount of missions like with LoR (although they had to in some respects to flesh out the Romulan faction) the downside is the players mow through said content in a few days to a week then complain on the forums that there's nothing to do. We have our initital boost of content (say with AoY release) with 10 or so missions, I was playing a new TOS faction toon so used the time between the FE series to complete my reputation grinds, gear up the character and do some DOFF and Admiralty work. I much prefer this system since it means fewer spells where we literally go for months and months with nothing to do except rinse and repeat the same content. The latest FE was amazing in my books, the first time in a long while it's felt like I was actually doing some exploring! The space jellyfish from the TNG pilot was a great nostalgic touch and the away mission to the "protomatter wave" planet was awesome. I was really impressed that we didn't have any combat until right at the end just good old story telling and exploring.
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  • legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan Member Posts: 36,965 Arc User
    rattler2 wrote: »
    risian4 wrote: »
    I would like to note that we only visited the Andromeda Galaxy once. By using a Gateway that destabilised after we returned, with Sela the only one knowing which coordinates to put in.

    This Gateway also led us to another Dyson Sphere, and the Iconians didn't really like it when we got there. Since we promised to leave them alone, it probably would be best not to go there again.

    There is no way to reach the Andromeda galaxy again, not without pissing off the Iconians again at least.

    We actually don't know that. We only know of the one Iconian Gate that Sela knew about. With how long the Iconians had been in Andromeda, I wouldn't be surprised if there was a Gate network there as well. We just need to find the key.

    You know... kinda like how they dial Pegasus in Stargate. ;)

    considering that one console in Sphere of Influence specifically says GATES in Andromeda active...i would say there's more than one​​
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  • autumnturningautumnturning Member Posts: 743 Arc User
    Is there something I am missing here? Just looks like the current game map.

    You're not missing something, unless you consider MOST OF THE MILKY WAY GALAXY HASN'T BEEN OPENED UP YET to be the part that you're missing.

    Look at the galactic map in the top left corner.

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    See all those colored boxes in each of the quadrants?

    See how much of each quadrant DOESN'T HAVE COLORED BOXES covering it?

    We've probably only got like 10% of the Alpha Quadrant and 15% of the Beta Quadrant available to us right now, given galactic scales.

    Heck, simply adding the "border regions" around the Alpha map we've got to bring it up to equal size of the Beta Quadrant would be adding 22 sector blocks to a map that only has 20 sector blocks in it right now. Adding +110% to the Alpha Quadrant map would certainly qualify as a great way to (re)introduce an Exploration System ... especially if it's "expansible" such that Cryptic could start adding on more sector blocks to the Alpha, Beta and Gamma Quadrants so as to grow the map we've already got over time.

    I keep looking at the Klingons, shoved off into their own little corner of the map and thinking ... is that IT for the Empire? They only claim/hold a mere 12 or so sector blocks out of 62 blocks in the Alpha and Beta Quadrants, which means they're struggling to control as little as 20% of the available map. Meanwhile, the Romulans (Star Empire and Republic) BOTH dwarf the Empire in territory scale, and the Federation isn't exactly lacking in territory, with borders in both the Alpha AND Beta Quadrants.
  • leemwatsonleemwatson Member Posts: 4,646 Arc User
    Gamma Quadrant
    How about exploring the rest of our OWN GALAXY before flying off to Andromeda! We've barely explored 10% of our own Galaxy. We've not even explored 30% of Alpha AND Beta. How on Earth do you expect to discover another Galaxy when we are not yet secure in our own. What a hare-brained idea!!
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  • vegeta50024vegeta50024 Member Posts: 2,304 Arc User
    Gamma Quadrant
    Is there something I am missing here? Just looks like the current game map.

    You're not missing something, unless you consider MOST OF THE MILKY WAY GALAXY HASN'T BEEN OPENED UP YET to be the part that you're missing.

    Look at the galactic map in the top left corner.

    In-Game_Galaxy_Map_Season10.png

    See all those colored boxes in each of the quadrants?

    See how much of each quadrant DOESN'T HAVE COLORED BOXES covering it?

    We've probably only got like 10% of the Alpha Quadrant and 15% of the Beta Quadrant available to us right now, given galactic scales.

    Heck, simply adding the "border regions" around the Alpha map we've got to bring it up to equal size of the Beta Quadrant would be adding 22 sector blocks to a map that only has 20 sector blocks in it right now. Adding +110% to the Alpha Quadrant map would certainly qualify as a great way to (re)introduce an Exploration System ... especially if it's "expansible" such that Cryptic could start adding on more sector blocks to the Alpha, Beta and Gamma Quadrants so as to grow the map we've already got over time.

    I keep looking at the Klingons, shoved off into their own little corner of the map and thinking ... is that IT for the Empire? They only claim/hold a mere 12 or so sector blocks out of 62 blocks in the Alpha and Beta Quadrants, which means they're struggling to control as little as 20% of the available map. Meanwhile, the Romulans (Star Empire and Republic) BOTH dwarf the Empire in territory scale, and the Federation isn't exactly lacking in territory, with borders in both the Alpha AND Beta Quadrants.

    A point to note is that this map is a 2-D representation of the space we can explore. There are many more systems that have been in Star Trek and there's obviously more to the major powers than what we see in the map due to it being a 2-D representation. A good example of this is the Delta Quadrant. Voyager's actual route covered like 50,000 light years with numerous jumps in between and many political areas that they've met. In order to realistically portray the DQ in the game, they shrank it down into 6 large sectors.

    We also don't have a portion of the Delta Quadrant past the Nekrit expanse shown, no Borg cooperative homeworld (the entire planetwide community of liberated borg who formed a new collected consciousness in order to stay tight as a community, no actual idea what happened in that area of space since they left the Viidians and whether or not they actually cured the phage.

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  • captkelly31#5645 captkelly31 Member Posts: 392 Arc User
    Gamma Quadrant
    Somtaawkhar's post is true enough, STO limits itself unnecessarily when it acts like the shows.
  • boachevboachev Member Posts: 131 Arc User
    Gamma Quadrant
    Gamma Quadrant all the way. The galaxy in Star Trek is a big, bright universe that we've only explored a tiny fraction of so far. The Gamma Quadrant is still almost completely non-existent in STO beyond a couple of missions and some references, while the Delta (and even Alpha) quadrants could both do well with some healthy expansion and depth.

    That, and outside of the Milky Way... is sort of completely beyond the scope of where civilization is in Star Trek throughout the series. I'm not completely opposed to it, but I'm also not personally a huge fan, not when there's still so much that can be done with the lore rich galaxy of Trek.

    Besides, a different sci-fi universe is about to toss us into Andromeda in a few months.
  • berginsbergins Member Posts: 3,448 Arc User
    Gamma Quadrant
    We already have the Andromeda/Galaxy Class ships. The only question left is which one will be the escort, and which the cruiser, because we know they won't be science ships. Maybe a Destroyer?

    Gamma Destroyer and Quadrant Cruiser is my guess. What about stats?







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  • galactickirigalactickiri Member Posts: 139 Arc User
    Andromeda Galaxy
    M-31, hands down.

    As nice as it would be to see some Gamma quadrant eventually (and by rights we already should have some), I would love me some Andromeda.

    The sys requirements for STO are getting upped over the next few months...let's see them maximize that, and give us something really exotic that another galaxy should give us. Something that maybe was out of bounds for the game engine previously.
  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,958 Arc User
    Gamma Quadrant
    leemwatson wrote: »
    How about exploring the rest of our OWN GALAXY before flying off to Andromeda! We've barely explored 10% of our own Galaxy. We've not even explored 30% of Alpha AND Beta. How on Earth do you expect to discover another Galaxy when we are not yet secure in our own. What a hare-brained idea!!
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