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Enterprise J

cjzepp#2096 cjzepp
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edited November 2016 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
Are there any plans to add the Big "J"ammer as a purchasable, usable ship to STO?
I know that there are already similar/inspired ships available for purchase like the Sagittarius-class, but being able to use the J in all of it's 2 mile+ long glory. The NPC is already there for the Battle of Procyon V. I know that this idea might be far flung, but as John Lennon said "You may say i'm a dreamer, but i'm not the only one".


USS Enterprise NCC-1701-J, Universe class Starship
Length: 3210m
Beam: 2295m
Draught: 425m
Mass: 5,000,000mt
Decks: 66
Crew: 825 (Max. Capacity 1 Million)

Armament:
10x Type XX AntiPolaron Beam Arrays
4x Biphasic Pulse Cannons
3x Quantum Singularity Torpedo Tubes
4x Chroniton Torpedo Tubes

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  • asuran14asuran14 Member Posts: 2,335 Arc User
    I hardly think we might see a true Enterprise-J like in the missions we have that showcase it, but we might see a mini/scaled down version of it. That is if we see enough of a support/desire by players in the playerbase to use that ship-design, which I could see even in a scaled down size as a carrier/cruiser mixture class in terms of capabilities of it.

    This is the question though. It is not the question of "Will we see it in the game as playable?", but instead "what kind of alterations would need to be done to see it playable in game?". Even though I am not that fond of the ship design of the Enterprise-J, if it were produced in a effective manner with nice stats/trait, than I could see many buying it just for the sake of using a good ship (not all players are driven by merely the look.).
  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    The Enterprise-J is shown in the Ragnarok mission where it can be compared to playable ships. To give some perspective, the other 26th Century ships are only as big as the Enterprise-J's inner circle with tiny windows on the saucer. There are some massive playable ships already in the game, but the Enterprise-J is likely too big for anything more than as a stationary npc ship. So if we get the Enterprise-J, then it would be its nerfed version and not in its 2 mile long glory.
  • emacsheadroomemacsheadroom Member Posts: 994 Arc User
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  • jbmonroejbmonroe Member Posts: 809 Arc User
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    The wish might not be playable, but stupid? Harsh. Perhaps you shouldn't type the first thought that comes into your head.

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  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    emacsheadroom wrote: »
    asuran14 wrote: »
    I highly doubt that is what he wanted to see as stats on the ship, and more stats of the ship in canon.

    Then there's really no point in him posting them unless he intends them as a guide for how overpowered he wants his dream ship to be.
    The stats could be useful for inspiration for new type of gear, consoles or traits that the ship could grant, or that might be used elsewhere.



    Since we already use 31st centure and 27th century ships in STO, the J doesn't seem completely infeasible. But the size would pose a problem, which is why it likely will never happen, and why the 27th century ships we got are clearly based on the look & feel of the J.
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  • asuran14asuran14 Member Posts: 2,335 Arc User
    emacsheadroom wrote: »
    asuran14 wrote: »
    I highly doubt that is what he wanted to see as stats on the ship, and more stats of the ship in canon.

    Then there's really no point in him posting them unless he intends them as a guide for how overpowered he wants his dream ship to be. Nobody cares or gains anything from seeing some nitwit post made up ship stats with half a million antichronitetryonic phased plasma disruptors or whatever garbage he comes up with. It serves no purpose except to ask as a wishlist.

    It's like a child saying he'd really like to own a full sized nuclear powered steam locomotive one day, because he has no impulse control or understanding of the way things work, because his brain is underdeveloped. The proper response is "Here's your sippy cup, Johnny. Now shut up and drink your applejuice. The adults in the room don't have time for your nonsense."

    Ahh so you wanted to poke fun at the poster, most likely knowing that those stats are the canon stats of the ship, because they did not leave a message for the mentally handicapped to know that was only the stas for it in canon. Anyone with half a working brain would know they were not making that as a suggestion of the stats it would have in sto, as we would see more stats that matter in sto (like shield modifiers, hull points, enitia, turn rate, weapon layout fore an aft), but merely as you said a guide of what is known of the ship in canon. Also some might actually use the canon details when drawing up a stat line of what is on the ship, while also trying to make it as possible for it to be implementable in the setting, but that is what some that care about a game being close to canon try to do.
  • cjzepp#2096 cjzepp
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    edited November 2016
    emacsheadroom wrote: »
    asuran14 wrote: »
    I highly doubt that is what he wanted to see as stats on the ship, and more stats of the ship in canon.

    Then there's really no point in him posting them unless he intends them as a guide for how overpowered he wants his dream ship to be. Nobody cares or gains anything from seeing some nitwit post made up ship stats with half a million antichronitetryonic phased plasma disruptors or whatever garbage he comes up with. It serves no purpose except to ask as a wishlist.

    It's like a child bugging his parents just so he can tell them he'd really like to own a full sized nuclear powered steam locomotive one day, because he has no impulse control or understanding of the way things work, because his brain is underdeveloped. The proper response is "Here's your sippy cup, Johnny. Now shut up and drink your applejuice. The adults in the room don't have time for your nonsense."

    Actually, i'f you'd care to stop speaking on behalf of me, I posted the stats simply because they exist, and would make a useful guideline for designing a playable ship, as mustrumridcully0 and asuran14 said. Please, hold your response until you've rid yourself of whatever is rustling your jimmies so much and can logically speak without writing paragraphs on end in angst. If you weren't looking to immediately dump your toxicity onto someone, (you even went as far as to PM me, which at least shows you're dedicated.) you probably would have realized the "canon" weapons are far from being "fair" and that in no way I would seriously recommend using them in game. Believe it or not, I also have no say as to what goes in the game and what doesn't as I am not on the dev team! Also, loving the super edgy profile pic/name.

    See? I put all of my ideas into one post uniformly and not at all manic. AND I actually have a nuclear steam train so it just goes to show that anything is possible. YWueBvh.jpg
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  • jodarkriderjodarkrider Member Posts: 2,097 Arc User
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  • byozuma#0956 byozuma
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    While I find the design of the J weird I never understood how weird (looks like it's made of toothpicks) till I read 2 miles... explains the toothpicks of the secondary hull and pylons... and because of that scale I don't think it should be playable. That, and really, I think the Abrams reboot was right for the time. We needed to take the Enterprise back a few letters. The J seems more encroaching on something outside of human connection and if we're to keep loving the Enterprise we need that human connection. 2 miles... bloody hell, may as well have called it the Executor for all it's worth, make the captain a Breen with a love for the color black.
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  • theotherscotty#9105 theotherscotty
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    As interesting as that would be, it's 3.2 km long... It would have a turn rate of like... 1? 2, maybe? lol I guess it would have lots of hangar pets. It would certainly have room for them.

    And it makes me wonder: if the Enterprise-J is that big, and they keep getting bigger with each successive letter upgrade, can you imagine how big the Enterprise-Z would be? Maybe like that enormous Voth fortress ship. lol

    And what designation would they use beyond Z? They'd run out of letters. I'd be curious to see the Enterprise of the 31st century, like those cross-faction temporal ships (if there even is an Enterprise anymore by that time).
  • cjzepp#2096 cjzepp
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    byozuma#0956 wrote: »
    While I find the design of the J weird I never understood how weird (looks like it's made of toothpicks) till I read 2 miles... explains the toothpicks of the secondary hull and pylons... and because of that scale I don't think it should be playable. That, and really, I think the Abrams reboot was right for the time. We needed to take the Enterprise back a few letters. The J seems more encroaching on something outside of human connection and if we're to keep loving the Enterprise we need that human connection. 2 miles... bloody hell, may as well have called it the Executor for all it's worth, make the captain a Breen with a love for the color black.

    Doug Drexler in an interview said that the reason he designed them so so small is because he believes that at this point in time starfleet tech will be so advanced we will struggle to comprehend it. It literally pushes the bounds of its physical properties. I do agree with the human connection.
    theotherscotty#9105 wrote: »
    And it makes me wonder: if the Enterprise-J is that big, and they keep getting bigger with each successive letter upgrade, can you imagine how big the Enterprise-Z would be? Maybe like that enormous Voth fortress ship. lol

    The saucer of the J is actually wider than DS9 by a little bit.
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  • cjzepp#2096 cjzepp
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    cjzepp#2096 wrote: »
    byozuma#0956 wrote: »
    While I find the design of the J weird I never understood how weird (looks like it's made of toothpicks) till I read 2 miles... explains the toothpicks of the secondary hull and pylons... and because of that scale I don't think it should be playable. That, and really, I think the Abrams reboot was right for the time. We needed to take the Enterprise back a few letters. The J seems more encroaching on something outside of human connection and if we're to keep loving the Enterprise we need that human connection. 2 miles... bloody hell, may as well have called it the Executor for all it's worth, make the captain a Breen with a love for the color black.

    Doug Drexler in an interview said that the reason he designed them so so small is because he believes that at this point in time starfleet tech will be so advanced we will struggle to comprehend it. It literally pushes the bounds of its physical properties. I do agree with the human connection.
    theotherscotty#9105 wrote: »
    And it makes me wonder: if the Enterprise-J is that big, and they keep getting bigger with each successive letter upgrade, can you imagine how big the Enterprise-Z would be? Maybe like that enormous Voth fortress ship. lol

    The saucer of the J is actually wider than DS9 by a little bit.

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  • daedalus304daedalus304 Member Posts: 1,049 Arc User
    the current one in game is just slightly wider than the Vonph, and is just a half bit longer than said Vonph.

    with the new DX12 properties, I don't see why it can't be included in some form. But I'm not sure how we'd make it playable really.
  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    I don't get why people get so hung up on it's size. The scaling of ships in the game is entirely arbitrary and if we can fly the Jem'hadar effing Dreadnoughts the E-J is not so big.

    But it is ugly.
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