The curious thing is that one of the murals a tall green skinned creature is depicted as if ordering them to get the crystals . Tzenkethi are not green skinned .
We don't know what the Tzenkethi look like. The novels are not canon.
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Our thought is that the process of converting over to the Enterprise as the "official" symbol of Starfleet is in-progress during the events of Agents of Yesterday.
Also, from a fiction/art perspective, the Enterprise chevron is just far more recognizable than the starbase operations starburst, so it creates a much stronger moment of "dun dun DUUUUUN!"
I see but I think it would of been better for the SB symbol in stead... and have the NPC ask what is is and for the player to point out it's an old Star Fleet symbol for SBs... but wondering how that can be... and then for the clincher for the next mural to show the SF Officers. That reinforces that the "ST world" is more than just the Enterprise... which frankly I find distasteful, every time something turns up to be cause to be the actions of Enterprise and it's crew or tied into them somehow, it makes me feel this world is very small and insignificant. We often deal with the repercussions of actions that are not directly connected to us in any way.
Not a bad episode, but I can see it getting boring after multiple runs. I feel like part of the problem with exploration missions in this game is that they just sprinkle in different mini games into it for scanning or interacting with objects, and then drop a ton of text on you. Good effort, but I feel like we need something more if exploration missions are going to be used more often.
Also if we get to shoot at other annoying characters in the future, let me finally end Slamek. I get we are supposed to feel bad for him, but I find him insufferable.
The maps should be big and you should have to traverse the entire map, every map having various waypoints throughout where readings and samples need to be taken. Some of the waypoints should have visible phenomena.
The maps should be big and you should have to traverse the entire map, every map having various waypoints throughout where readings and samples need to be taken. Some of the waypoints should have visible phenomena.
Well, the space-maps in the episode were big enough IMO. Also, for having to Play that episode with each toon 3 times (eventually) to get every reward would be even worse if the maps would be larger with more stuff to get before moving on.
Two questions:
- Why that Ferengi ship is named "Nandi Battlecruiser" - my Nandi is just "Nandi Warship"
- "Look at the size of that plaza" - i think that was in that dialog, but it's actually smaller that the children playground on my street (near my house)... easy to impress - huh?
I was overall impressed with the new quest, have done it twice, once with my fed main, the did a 23c toon, and was quite surprised by some of the dialogue for the 23c toons.
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Kipleigh Brown also plays Lt JG Barbara Smith on "Star Trek Continues" (her character may be a reference to Yeoman Smith in the TOS pilot, "Where No Man Has Gone Before"). So she's got some Trek-cred...
Kipleigh Brown also plays Lt JG Barbara Smith on "Star Trek Continues" (her character may be a reference to Yeoman Smith in the TOS pilot, "Where No Man Has Gone Before"). So she's got some Trek-cred...
More than that - she played a character on "Enterprise", if I remember correctly...
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I don't think it was a random protomatter detonation, but maybe something like a controlled containment building, which than breached in someway. Like that they would open the temple at certain points to detail the progress of the crystals/protomatter progression, and even releasing small amounts of the built up protomatter like a form of pressure valve, which would give the people on the planet a bit more time over if the protomatter had gone off without it.
Except that the crystals are apparently not the source of the blast. The blast was said to have been caused by the Tzenkethi.
Yeah after redoing the mission again, and reading thru both the mission text several times, and also the wiki entries on the Tzenkethi. The explosion/detonation did seem to come from within the chamber with the crystals inside it, which does not mean they are the cause of the protomatter explosion though. There is also a fact of there being the two murals in the inside of the temple that show a egg-shaped red crystal (much like the ones found inside the chamber), and a starburst-like golden looking crystal (or possibly being a representation of their sun) over the meeting with the starfleet officers with the tribal people, as well as the third mural on the back of the entrance to the main chamber of the temple with the murals. Which by the imagery kinda look like the officers brought the crystals to these people, almost like an offering to the chieftain/priests of these people. but then you also have that hole blasted into the main crystal chamber shining sunlight into the center of the chamber.
Other than one point in the mission though it was not really stated as being the Tzenkethi themselves, but being said to be a protomatter weapon of Tzenkethi design, which could mean that the protomatter bomb was brought there by someone else in the past. Could be that it was stolen from the Tzenkethi an brought to this world, a temple built to hide it, before being found by the Tzenkethi an detonated by them. Though i did like how the system the planet is in goes by the name Draconis three, which reminds me of how Robert Wolfe described the Tzenkethi as being "heavily-armored lizard things." giving me a picture of a race of Dragon-like Lizardmen.
you never know...all we really know about them is that their tech level is bronze age, they worship what seem to be living crystals and they were wiped out by a protomatter device
We don't even know that last part for sure. Remember, the Starfleet people arrived over 800 years earlier; anything could have happened to them in the meantime. For all we know so far, they could have already been long gone by the time the protomatter bomb was detonated.
Well, it was stated in dialogue, if you will accept that as "canon", during the research for the activation of the holodevice, that the extinction of the species was weeks or maybe only days ago.
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Yeah, that is supposed to the Yeoman Smith we were introduced to in 'Where No Man Has Gone Before'. She had a much bigger role in Star Trek Continues and has moved up in responsibility as well.
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That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
I'm not sure, but the crystals on my display are more blue-purple than red...
hmm...
I wonder if it could be some way of harvesting/growing some kind of dilithium, that the people from K-13 introduced to make another try to get home later...
Edit:
And the crystal above the wall drawing with the ruler meeting the old starfleet crew looks even more like dilithium to me...
I figured the starfleet guys were trying to get home and were attempting to create some sort of cobbled together warp technology. The big crystal looks a bit like dilithium and I like to think they were trying to grow crystals for part of a warp core. Maybe trying to fix their station in orbit. The fact a bomb went off could mean anything though, maybe some faction on the planet didn't agree with the locals letting the fed guys do this and blew up the facility, accidentally causing a global cataclysm.
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Yeah they were dead but I'm thinking it looked like their arrival started some sort of cult or religious culture. They must have been seen as gods when they appeared with their technology to a pre warp society. I figured they started working on getting home, building some primitive dilithium facility or something and even once they died their work continued, treated as more of a religious process rather than a technological undertaking. Now imagine what's going to happen after 800 years of leaving a pre warp people with advanced tech, I imagine it played havoc with their development.
I figured the starfleet guys were trying to get home and were attempting to create some sort of cobbled together warp technology. The big crystal looks a bit like dilithium and I like to think they were trying to grow crystals for part of a warp core. Maybe trying to fix their station in orbit.
The fact a bomb went off could mean anything though, maybe some faction on the planet didn't agree with the locals letting the fed guys do this and blew up the facility, accidentally causing a global cataclysm.
I agree though if you look at the murals on both sides they have two different crystals sitting over head, and the two crystals are shown in many places. One of these crystals looks like a star-like design , while the other looks more like a oval design that does look quite like dilithium in color (though even on the dil mines the crystals in the temple look quite different from those in the mines).
Besides the group that go down to planet was dead, but rest of crew was in stasis - maybe they planed to automatic release the stasis once they would get back to their time and then get the grown crystals and use them somehow to return to Federation?
The Earth Starfleet, Franklin, and Kelvin all used the arrowhead prior to TOS. Other ships in TOS also used it such as the cew in 'Court Martial' and the personnel of the U.S.S. Defiant (but not in In a Mirror Darkly though). There's also the woman on the council in 'Time Trap' and I think one or two other ships in TAS also use it.
It also exists (rotated 90 degrees) on the Starfleet logo and on the little flair on most Starfleet ships (the long red lines with a yellow delta at the end on the nacelles or hull)
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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Was anyone able to find a way further into that "temple" thing.... I couldn't find a way down into the cavern of crystals. Kept running into invisible walls.
And outside the "temple" nothing but dead ends and rocks that weren't very climbable.
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Was anyone able to find a way further into that "temple" thing.... I couldn't find a way down into the cavern of crystals. Kept running into invisible walls.
And outside the "temple" nothing but dead ends and rocks that weren't very climbable.
Yeah, you don't get to explore the rest of the planet.
Well aren't we supposed to take them out of stasis as we build out K-13 for our Fleet?
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l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
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We don't know what the Tzenkethi look like. The novels are not canon.
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them."
-Thomas Marrone
I see but I think it would of been better for the SB symbol in stead... and have the NPC ask what is is and for the player to point out it's an old Star Fleet symbol for SBs... but wondering how that can be... and then for the clincher for the next mural to show the SF Officers. That reinforces that the "ST world" is more than just the Enterprise... which frankly I find distasteful, every time something turns up to be cause to be the actions of Enterprise and it's crew or tied into them somehow, it makes me feel this world is very small and insignificant. We often deal with the repercussions of actions that are not directly connected to us in any way.
The maps should be big and you should have to traverse the entire map, every map having various waypoints throughout where readings and samples need to be taken. Some of the waypoints should have visible phenomena.
Well, the space-maps in the episode were big enough IMO. Also, for having to Play that episode with each toon 3 times (eventually) to get every reward would be even worse if the maps would be larger with more stuff to get before moving on.
- Why that Ferengi ship is named "Nandi Battlecruiser" - my Nandi is just "Nandi Warship"
- "Look at the size of that plaza" - i think that was in that dialog, but it's actually smaller that the children playground on my street (near my house)... easy to impress - huh?
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Yeah after redoing the mission again, and reading thru both the mission text several times, and also the wiki entries on the Tzenkethi. The explosion/detonation did seem to come from within the chamber with the crystals inside it, which does not mean they are the cause of the protomatter explosion though. There is also a fact of there being the two murals in the inside of the temple that show a egg-shaped red crystal (much like the ones found inside the chamber), and a starburst-like golden looking crystal (or possibly being a representation of their sun) over the meeting with the starfleet officers with the tribal people, as well as the third mural on the back of the entrance to the main chamber of the temple with the murals. Which by the imagery kinda look like the officers brought the crystals to these people, almost like an offering to the chieftain/priests of these people. but then you also have that hole blasted into the main crystal chamber shining sunlight into the center of the chamber.
Other than one point in the mission though it was not really stated as being the Tzenkethi themselves, but being said to be a protomatter weapon of Tzenkethi design, which could mean that the protomatter bomb was brought there by someone else in the past. Could be that it was stolen from the Tzenkethi an brought to this world, a temple built to hide it, before being found by the Tzenkethi an detonated by them. Though i did like how the system the planet is in goes by the name Draconis three, which reminds me of how Robert Wolfe described the Tzenkethi as being "heavily-armored lizard things." giving me a picture of a race of Dragon-like Lizardmen.
Well, it was stated in dialogue, if you will accept that as "canon", during the research for the activation of the holodevice, that the extinction of the species was weeks or maybe only days ago.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
hmm...
I wonder if it could be some way of harvesting/growing some kind of dilithium, that the people from K-13 introduced to make another try to get home later...
Edit:
And the crystal above the wall drawing with the ruler meeting the old starfleet crew looks even more like dilithium to me...
The fact a bomb went off could mean anything though, maybe some faction on the planet didn't agree with the locals letting the fed guys do this and blew up the facility, accidentally causing a global cataclysm.
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A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
I figured they started working on getting home, building some primitive dilithium facility or something and even once they died their work continued, treated as more of a religious process rather than a technological undertaking.
Now imagine what's going to happen after 800 years of leaving a pre warp people with advanced tech, I imagine it played havoc with their development.
I agree though if you look at the murals on both sides they have two different crystals sitting over head, and the two crystals are shown in many places. One of these crystals looks like a star-like design , while the other looks more like a oval design that does look quite like dilithium in color (though even on the dil mines the crystals in the temple look quite different from those in the mines).
More like this pls.
It also exists (rotated 90 degrees) on the Starfleet logo and on the little flair on most Starfleet ships (the long red lines with a yellow delta at the end on the nacelles or hull)
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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And outside the "temple" nothing but dead ends and rocks that weren't very climbable.
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l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
My character Tsin'xing