I could get behind this if it introduced branching storylines. A cold war scenario where your story and missions change based on your actions. If you negotiate with an enemy ship you get go to one mission, if you create an interplanetary incident by firing first, you get a different mission. THAT would be the only good reason for another war, cold or otherwise.
Nothing breaks the tension better than a tankard of warnog - except maybe a good brawl...
If Cryptic ever were to have a desire for a Typhoon Pact Alliance, they needn't select the factions mentioned above; they could instead follow the DCTV theme and create their own alliance. What I mean b this, is that the DCEU will obviously have Batman, Superman & Wonder Woman (etc) as their Justice League, whereas from the TV perspective, it's more Arrow, Flash, and Supergirl.
Instead of the Kinshaya, the Vaudwaar could take their place. Instead of the Romulan Star Empire (or Gorn, which would never happen because of all the KDF players running around as one) you could use another species or just remove one faction entirely. I wouldn't mind seeing the Tzenkethi mind you; we don't know a great deal about them, though we do know they're no huge fans of the Federation.
Whilst I get that the novels incorporate the Breen and Tholian, I can't honestly see the Tholians working with anyone; they've only ever served their own interests. At no point is there any reference to them aligning with any other faction in Trek canon.
If Cryptic ever were to have a desire for a Typhoon Pact Alliance, they needn't select the factions mentioned above; they could instead follow the DCTV theme and create their own alliance. What I mean b this, is that the DCEU will obviously have Batman, Superman & Wonder Woman (etc) as their Justice League, whereas from the TV perspective, it's more Arrow, Flash, and Supergirl.
Instead of the Kinshaya, the Vaudwaar could take their place. Instead of the Romulan Star Empire (or Gorn, which would never happen because of all the KDF players running around as one) you could use another species or just remove one faction entirely. I wouldn't mind seeing the Tzenkethi mind you; we don't know a great deal about them, though we do know they're no huge fans of the Federation.
Whilst I get that the novels incorporate the Breen and Tholian, I can't honestly see the Tholians working with anyone; they've only ever served their own interests. At no point is there any reference to them aligning with any other faction in Trek canon.
Well, if Cryptic does it they could use the "heavily armored lizard things" original concept for the Tzenkethi.
Whilst I get that the novels incorporate the Breen and Tholian, I can't honestly see the Tholians working with anyone; they've only ever served their own interests. At no point is there any reference to them aligning with any other faction in Trek canon.
This has honestly been my biggest beef with the Typhon Pact plot in the novels.
The idea of the THOLIANS becoming part of an alliance like that, let alone being the ones who SUGGESTED it, never sat right with me. The Tholians are free agents, working only for themselves.
But then again, the novels do a lot of stupid stuff IMO.
>The Destruction of the Borg
>All the Founders quitting after finding out "The Progenitor" is dead
>The Tholians founding the Typhon Pact
The novels have imo degenerated to what I'd call a closed system. It's basically a dozen authors at most who keep cross-referencing each other, effectively creating their own Novel Timeline by now. It's really hard for the reader to keep track of it all. You read one Titan novel, then you read the next issue only to figure out a quarter in that in the meantime important events must have taken place. Difficult research then reveals that you should have read 2 Fallen, and 3 Typhon Pact (who are equally inter-referencing each other) novels in between the two Titans just to be up to date with the current events.
If Cryptic ever were to have a desire for a Typhoon Pact Alliance, they needn't select the factions mentioned above; they could instead follow the DCTV theme and create their own alliance. What I mean b this, is that the DCEU will obviously have Batman, Superman & Wonder Woman (etc) as their Justice League, whereas from the TV perspective, it's more Arrow, Flash, and Supergirl.
Instead of the Kinshaya, the Vaudwaar could take their place. Instead of the Romulan Star Empire (or Gorn, which would never happen because of all the KDF players running around as one) you could use another species or just remove one faction entirely. I wouldn't mind seeing the Tzenkethi mind you; we don't know a great deal about them, though we do know they're no huge fans of the Federation.
Whilst I get that the novels incorporate the Breen and Tholian, I can't honestly see the Tholians working with anyone; they've only ever served their own interests. At no point is there any reference to them aligning with any other faction in Trek canon.
Well, if Cryptic does it they could use the "heavily armored lizard things" original concept for the Tzenkethi.
Dinosaurs with frickin' laser beams on their heads!
The novels have imo degenerated to what I'd call a closed system. It's basically a dozen authors at most who keep cross-referencing each other, effectively creating their own Novel Timeline by now.
You say that like its a bad thing. Who are they supposed to be looking to for a timeline then? Voyager ended what, 15 yeas ago and the TV folks have made it abundantly clear that they have no interest in moving forward in time. Certainly not their fault CBS licensing can't be bothered to provide guidelines that would align STO and the novels. Cause, I'd take the novel timeline over STO's -any- day of the week.
It's not my cup of tea anymore.
That's allowed. I mean, how dare they actually generate content at more than a snail's pace .
But there's no tv shows or movies that compete for that space, so what's the issue? That you don't want to read books as they come out just means you're not a customer they should be serving. Again, you're complaining about an abundance of content.
And allowing the Borg to have a last hurrah and then finally putting a stake in its heart is pretty much exactly what we need here. They've been devalued into threat-peasants. Let them die with a little villainous dignity.
But there's no tv shows or movies that compete for that space, so what's the issue? That you don't want to read books as they come out just means you're not a customer they should be serving. Again, you're complaining about an abundance of content.
And allowing the Borg to have a last hurrah and then finally putting a stake in its heart is pretty much exactly what we need here. They've been devalued into threat-peasants. Let them die with a little villainous dignity.
The Issue is that if you buy one series, one shouldn't be forced to stop every other chapter, and be forced to read some other book series entirely, just to understand whats going on.
The Lord of the Rings stands as a completely understandable series from start to finish, and all the other ancillary material, such as the Silmarillion, does as well. One does not have to read one to understand the other, and that is how it works for EVERY OTHER SERIES EVER MADE.
Only the Star Trek novels, and the Marvel Cinematic Universe, have done this tight weaving thing, which has made them unable to be enjoyed as individual products
What? You just implied it's possible to actually understand the plot in LotR....
Heres my take on this good idea and who the members could be
Romulan star empire
Tholian Assmebley
Breen Confederacy
The True Way
Terran Empire
Na'Kuhl
While most of these would be good, for in-game purposes, some don't make sense.
The True Way, for example, probably wouldn't have as much power or support as they got without the discreet aide of the Terran Empire (which itself became allied with the Temporal Liberation Front). Their concerns are also incredibly narrow: they just want to take over Cardassia, and seem to care for little else. Also, the Terran Empire is out as, depending on the point in time in the game, they are either already allied with the TLF or have retreated to their home space.
Swap them for the New Link, who'd probably look for an alliance that would help preserve their privacy.
The Star Empire also makes little sense, as they seem too preoccupied with their own internal conflicts to devote much to forging an alliance with other governments (if they even had the disposition to do so, frankly).
Use the opportunity to introduce the Tzkenkethi, finally. Since the Tzenkethi are relatively unknown in canon Trek, Cryptic can do as they please with them.
In the present, people seem to forget that the Na'kuhl are relatively underdeveloped compared to their neighbors. They are also now incredibly suspicious of outsiders. Even though they eventually develop some kind of alliance or understanding with the Federation, it probably won't be any time soon, and they probably just want to be left alone for now.
No one needs to replace them in the lineup, as a four member Typhon Pact seems sufficient.
Ive been gving what you said alot of thought , and came up with a new list for a plausible typhon pact
Romulan star empire
Tzenkethi (as you say not much known and a clean palette for cryptic to draw on)
tholian assembley
Breen confederacy
Na'kuhl (remember they have time travel tech which would be highly valued among the other member govts)
The New link (the mega fed alliance would be a threat to them since they would be surrounded on all sides so plausible)
Cold War, that's soooo 20th century.....We shouyld have stories with 21st Century problems....but I know people would get offended easily
Yes a cold war idk if you lived through the 80s , but the threat of a war with the soviets permiated everday life it was a spectre hanging over everyones head , there were times where you expected to hear that the soviets had invaed europe and a 3rd world war had begun.
Because if that wouldve happened? it wouldve went nuclear very very fast , and with the stockpiles on both sides well M.A.D. or Mutually Assured Destruction, think of humanity being wiped out or all life extinguished on this planet we live, because even now 30+ years after the end of the cold war we STILL have enough nukes on both sides to do just that.
So a cold war setting where both sides cant face each other because the end result would be total anniahlation , there would be small skirmishes and wars fought by proxy aka the soviet war in afghanastan of the 80s? we trained and armed the afghans to fight the soviets, so we fought a war by proxy with the soviets.
In the end it would set a very tense atmosphere where even the slightest mistake could mean total anniahlation of all sides.
As for the Na'Khul, I don't see that happening either. The Na'Khul are like the True Way in that 99% of their species are law abiding, if not disgruntled, members of galactic society. With the deaths of Vosk, and Krog, and their defeat at Procyon V, the rebels, which were always the minority of their species, would have stood down. Especially with the revelation that the Alliance fixed their star after the Temporal Cold War was over, and basically gave them all amnesty for their actions.
Well, not just that, but:
The Na'kuhl in the STO present are only so much more advanced than the Lukari. They do not possess time travel technology at this time, and apparently don't for quite a while. People seem to forget that Vosk and Krog, the leaders of the antagonistic Na'kuhl, are from several hundred years in the future.
I know @jorantomalak suggested they join any proposed Typhon Pact-style alliance because of their "highly valued time travel tech", but they do not currently have that technology. And the futuristic Na'kuhl would more than likely not be inclined to join, either (they already joined the Temporal Liberation Front, and likely had their entire guerilla operation dissolve after not just the TLF's defeat but also Vosk's).
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We had that with the Nebula Exploration missions, they were removed. Too bad really, I liked them, even though they were repetitive.
It's funny how many people think the "exploration" missions were exploration...just because they were called that.
Instead of the Kinshaya, the Vaudwaar could take their place. Instead of the Romulan Star Empire (or Gorn, which would never happen because of all the KDF players running around as one) you could use another species or just remove one faction entirely. I wouldn't mind seeing the Tzenkethi mind you; we don't know a great deal about them, though we do know they're no huge fans of the Federation.
Whilst I get that the novels incorporate the Breen and Tholian, I can't honestly see the Tholians working with anyone; they've only ever served their own interests. At no point is there any reference to them aligning with any other faction in Trek canon.
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The novels have imo degenerated to what I'd call a closed system. It's basically a dozen authors at most who keep cross-referencing each other, effectively creating their own Novel Timeline by now. It's really hard for the reader to keep track of it all. You read one Titan novel, then you read the next issue only to figure out a quarter in that in the meantime important events must have taken place. Difficult research then reveals that you should have read 2 Fallen, and 3 Typhon Pact (who are equally inter-referencing each other) novels in between the two Titans just to be up to date with the current events.
It's not my cup of tea anymore.
Dinosaurs with frickin' laser beams on their heads!
Oh, wait, they already did that.
You say that like its a bad thing. Who are they supposed to be looking to for a timeline then? Voyager ended what, 15 yeas ago and the TV folks have made it abundantly clear that they have no interest in moving forward in time. Certainly not their fault CBS licensing can't be bothered to provide guidelines that would align STO and the novels. Cause, I'd take the novel timeline over STO's -any- day of the week.
That's allowed. I mean, how dare they actually generate content at more than a snail's pace
And allowing the Borg to have a last hurrah and then finally putting a stake in its heart is pretty much exactly what we need here. They've been devalued into threat-peasants. Let them die with a little villainous dignity.
My character Tsin'xing
Ive been gving what you said alot of thought , and came up with a new list for a plausible typhon pact
Romulan star empire
Tzenkethi (as you say not much known and a clean palette for cryptic to draw on)
tholian assembley
Breen confederacy
Na'kuhl (remember they have time travel tech which would be highly valued among the other member govts)
The New link (the mega fed alliance would be a threat to them since they would be surrounded on all sides so plausible)
Yes a cold war idk if you lived through the 80s , but the threat of a war with the soviets permiated everday life it was a spectre hanging over everyones head , there were times where you expected to hear that the soviets had invaed europe and a 3rd world war had begun.
Because if that wouldve happened? it wouldve went nuclear very very fast , and with the stockpiles on both sides well M.A.D. or Mutually Assured Destruction, think of humanity being wiped out or all life extinguished on this planet we live, because even now 30+ years after the end of the cold war we STILL have enough nukes on both sides to do just that.
So a cold war setting where both sides cant face each other because the end result would be total anniahlation , there would be small skirmishes and wars fought by proxy aka the soviet war in afghanastan of the 80s? we trained and armed the afghans to fight the soviets, so we fought a war by proxy with the soviets.
In the end it would set a very tense atmosphere where even the slightest mistake could mean total anniahlation of all sides.
Well, not just that, but:
The Na'kuhl in the STO present are only so much more advanced than the Lukari. They do not possess time travel technology at this time, and apparently don't for quite a while. People seem to forget that Vosk and Krog, the leaders of the antagonistic Na'kuhl, are from several hundred years in the future.
I know @jorantomalak suggested they join any proposed Typhon Pact-style alliance because of their "highly valued time travel tech", but they do not currently have that technology. And the futuristic Na'kuhl would more than likely not be inclined to join, either (they already joined the Temporal Liberation Front, and likely had their entire guerilla operation dissolve after not just the TLF's defeat but also Vosk's).