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I guess I'll start this with saying that I'm not angry or bitter, but I am fairly disappointed in Cryptic here. I am a lifetime subscriber to this game, I paid for that privilege, and yet, now, for the console release, anyone who's ever subscribed before is expected to subscribe once again if they want the goodies that come with the title.
That shouldn't be the case. I can respect that the console was intended to be a fair and fresh start to all (although there's a little controversy in that fair start considering the game is/was released different dates in different countries/regions, but that's a discussion for another time, if ever). But yeah, I can understand and respect that we don't get to transfer our characters, equipment or resources (dilithium, energy credits or latinium) but to expect your lifetime subscribed members to (re)subscribe?
That's kind of taking the TRIBBLE, and kind of takes away the whole lifetime element doesn't it?
Not exactly selling yourself to your customers either if you're just going to show everyone that you don't look after your existing subscribed playerbase. As stated, not angry, though I am very disappointed, and feel this situation could have been handled a lot differently.
Note: Not a console player yet (living in the UK), but if/when I do download and play, I do so with no intention what-so-ever to put any money into the game, not if this is how we're being treated for putting money into the game in the past. Reap what you sew and all that...
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you are not forced to make a console account
and the "selling point" is not current players/subscribers/lifers it is new players that have not/do not play PC
in short... you pretty much attacked this from the worst angle possible
After AoY nothing surprises me with how low cryptic will stoop for a cash grab, tbh the joke about them being ran by ferengi is no longer a joke, im really wondering if maybe they are O.o
The simple fact of the matter is that the console version is not for us oldtimers. Most of us have well-established accounts with plenty of Zen purchases. Some of us might see how the console mechanics work or play with our friends, but very few will give up their old characters to transfer to the consoles.
I presently have two options here, either I spend money I don't have to buy a new PC just so I can play one game, or I play it on the console at a more casual (and completely free) pace.
I was just about to say the monelty stipend is worth it, but if they're no longer offering that?
I have little choice really. I wouldn't mind playing the game again, but I can't play it on PC anymore, so it's console or nothing for me.
If I would do such a thing my live time sub would probably the thing with the least worth I’d throw out the window to start elsewhere from scratch.
It’s basically giving up and playing a new game… a new game where nothing is actually new and you lost all you ever gained on top of it.
How depressing.
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There is a huge difference between STO PC version and STO Console version. The PC version is a Freemium game while the Console version is a F2P game. Since the game is F2P, then there is absolutely no reason for a monthly stipend to exist. All of the STO Console version's profit has to come from the C-Store and Packs.
Of course, since subscriptions no longer exists, then it makes the Console LTS more valuable due to the numerous Respec Tokens, Bank slots, Account Bank slots, Inventory slots, and Character slots in the LTS for altoholics. With the PC version, we can just subscribe for a month and get most of these rewards for our character currently being leveled. With the Console version, we have to purchase each item for each character or buy the LTS. So if someone creates 20 different alts on a console, then the LTS would be worth it.
The sole benefit I have is that I can start from scratch, and do everything right; not buy on impulse, not waste time with certain PvE queues, not waste resources on certain ships or special Risa/Winter events (etc).
Well, as I plan only on creating a single character, I needn't bother myself with any of this cash grab. I've had multiple characters before, and with the continual grind it got too much. I guess I'll just sit back and casually level up when I can.
No, you are not being "forced" to do anything. So your laptop is outdated. Big deal? Technology eventually becomes outdated as it is a natural progression of advancement. It is not Cryptic's fault your laptop is outdated. On top of that electronics eventually fail which is not Cryptic's fault either. However, you are making a conscious choice to abandon STO PC in favor of STO console because your laptop is struggling to keep up with the game.
I understand that you do not have money to purchase a new laptop, but yet again, that is not Crpytic's fault. You can always choose to play STO PC again once you purchase a new laptop (if you decide to do so). But that is a decision you must decide for yourself. With the release of STO console at least you have the opportunity to play STO again. At least until your console dies or is rendered obsolete as a result of advancing technologies.
I don't mean to sound insensitive here, but that's not really Cryptic's problem, nor is it up to them to account for that. Lets not forget, current Gen consoles run $400-$500, you could have put that money into your computer, but instead you bought a console. That's fine, that's your choice.. it's your money. But it's not up to Cryptic to adapt the game to your situation.
The sad truth is, that this is an 'industry standard.' I own Fallout 4 for my PC, but if I want to play it on my XBox One, I have to buy the XBox One version. I can't think of another game outside of 'Quantum Break' that lets you play on multiple platforms with one purchase.
I'm not saying I like it, hell.. I would love to play my characters on my console, but I'm not the least bit surprised that I can't. Maybe one day it will work that way, but right now, it doesn't.
In actual fact, it probably can be done, it just wouldn't be cost effective, and it's better for them (financially) to have people sign up (some for a second time) if they have a desire to game on the console.
The sad and unfortunate truth.
I've had my PS4 for a solid 15/16 months now, that's a good 10 months before my PC died.
The technology does exist since people in other threads stated there are many MMOs that allows players to pay a fee for a one time account transfer from PC to console. However, it would seem that either Cryptic's senior management or PWE's senior management decided not to offer this feature. I suppose that is one way to ensure that STO console is a leveled playing field for all new accounts.
The reason for this decision is not one based on a fair levelling system, but instead a further cash grab. New and returning players need to splash out for this. There's a lot of money to be made here, and if they allowed people to move their existing characters/accounts, that's a lot of money they'd not receive.
That's the truth of it. Think of the fair levelling element as a conspiracy. If they truly wanted fairness, they'd not have allowed the game to be released days apart for different regions.
They can't take away the stuff of people on the PC, so the new player will have to deal with it. But that doesn't mean it's good for the game's ability to acquire new players. And it doesn't mean it's good for a game that is newly released on consoles and hopes to make a lot of new players.
The old players have their server and their accounts already. They can keep playing, keep getting all the good stuff the game is getting. If a few select want to switch, that's their decision, but that is not what the console expansion is good for.
You paid for a lifetime subscription. You did that when ONLY a PC version existed. You got exactly what you paid for.
No one ever provided a warranty to use your PC-based account on future consoles.
I don't care about anyone's personal equipment issues. That applies to games, TV/movies, cars, etc. If you don't keep up with equipment, that is all on you and no one owes you a thing.
That's the non-corporate 'silver-bullet' in this argument.
I can firmly agree with the fact that MS and Sony will want their cut for Subs/LTS on their systems to cover their 'costs' of hosting the game on their servers.
The game is still hosted by Cryptic. Sony/MS just provide the platform and store access.
Star Trek Online is not hosted by Sony or Microsoft, but you are right that there has to be a 'cut' for them somewhere. It's highly unlikely that either company allows the game to be made available just out of the kindness of their heart.
Hate to say it, but if you sell your old PC and Console, you're pretty much already halfway to being able to purchase a PC that will easily run STO. I started playing STO on a 3.1ghz single core Pentium 3 slim business tower with a 256mb Nvidia card. It was not pretty, but I could still have fun and do just as much as everyone else could, even in PVP. That was 2009 and lasted for several years. But I knew if I wanted to buy a better machine, I couldn't sit on my thumbs, if you were you I would make a few hundred before black friday comes around and buy yourself a nice starter computer to build on.
you paid for a lifetime sub on the pc version of the game, if you want the same for the console version it is right that you pay again.
maybe if you could access the same account on both platforms with pc players and console players playing the on the same server along side each other it might be a different story, that would be no different to accessing your account on multiple pc's but this is in all essence a completely different game and your sto lifetime sub did not give you lifetime status on every game cryptic releases.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
You know what, you're absolutely right, but that wouldn't have stopped Cryptic from looking after their existing players.
Well as long as you're happy, TRIBBLE everyone else, right? How very selfish of you!
I don't get why this is either. I figure the PC is the favoured platform, and that Cryptic have 6 months (prior to a PC update) to make sure everything works correctly before anything is released/expanded on for console where (typically) I find it's tougher to notice and report bugs.
I'd be lucky to get £70 for my old PC, and I wouldn't sell my PS4 because I play other games on that. If I were to be buying a new PC, it would be solely for STO, and I can't justify that expenditure.
Perhaps you've not been paying attention, but I wouldn't be wanting twice the bang for my buck. I am only going to be playing on console. My existing progress (on PC) is lost to me, unfortunately.
This is possible, Cryptic have just made it so that it isn't so.
Ask customer service if it is possible for them to delete all of your PC purchases, including your LTS, and give you some zen credit or some equivalent purchases on your PS4 account. Ask nicely! You could also PM Trendy or post to her twitter feed, maybe she can arrange a special one-person exception just for you.
That is a very long shot. If you ask most publishers "can I swap my PC Fallout 4 for a PS4 Fallout 4?" the answer is no.
If you get no response or a "no" response, they probably don't want to have to deal with a labor-intensive manual moving of stuff for a bunch of people who will point to you and say "waah! you did it for him why not me too???"
Well you're ambitious. Hah! Honestly, you're already mentioned why they wouldn't do this, I'm not about to waste my time writing an email only for them to laugh and refuse the request.