What is the point?
... to explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations, to boldly go where no one has gone before.
There you have it
Not sure we can call them strange new worlds, new life and civilizations or to boldly go where no one has gone before when this is the 5th+ run though. I really don't fancy having to do this all again for a 6th time next year. 7th if I count Beta.
OK, another question. How many times did you rewatch episodes of Star Trek? Because, if you have seen them, rewatching them won't makes them different. BTW, I did notice some missions got some makeover. There was new voice acting in Year of the Comet.
Anyway, as many have pointed out, the point is to have fun with all this game stuff and if that is no longer the case, perhaps it is time to seek out new games and boldly go where no gamer has gone before.
I was thinking the other day. Suppose I could get a thousand years old. How many years do I have to work, earning an average income, so I have enough and can stop working and live as a free man? Because, if I had to work 1000 years, what is the point of getting that old?
Yes. The point is to have fun. When fun is no longer had, go find a game that you can have fun with. I've played Oblivion countless times with varied characters and I still find it fun to play. Same with STO. It's just fun.
And when I feel the need to shoot things, the DSEs give me that outlet. I can shoot fish (Breen, Elachi, True Way, Gorn, Klingons, Borg, Nausicaans and Orions) in a barrel with impunity. It's a great outlet.
Similarly, if I feel more like primitive weapons, I can just grab my bow/sword and take a tour through a few ruins in Oblivion and hack n slash.
The point is, to have fun with any game you play, however you decide to play it. That's the beauty of MMOs or open world games.
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I have come to the conclusion that I have a memory like Etch-A-Sketch. I shake my head and forget everything.
What is the point?
... to explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations, to boldly go where no one has gone before.
There you have it
Not sure we can call them strange new worlds, new life and civilizations or to boldly go where no one has gone before when this is the 5th+ run though. I really don't fancy having to do this all again for a 6th time next year. 7th if I count Beta.
OK, another question. How many times did you rewatch episodes of Star Trek? Because, if you have seen them, rewatching them won't makes them different. BTW, I did notice some missions got some makeover. There was new voice acting in Year of the Comet.
Anyway, as many have pointed out, the point is to have fun with all this game stuff and if that is no longer the case, perhaps it is time to seek out new games and boldly go where no gamer has gone before.
I rewatched a few but I don’t think I rewatched any 6+ times. Plus it’s not the same thing. Its one thing to rewatch the better episodes or replay the better missions. It’s another to rewatch the entire season 6+ times or replay the entire storyline 6+ times.
“Anyway, as many have pointed out, the point is to have fun with all this game stuff and if that is no longer the case, perhaps it is time to seek out new games and boldly go where no gamer has gone before.”
But I am having fun with the rest of the game. The only bit that’s not fun is having to replay the same content over and over again to unlock the new things.
New content great. Recycling content like with Delta Recruits can still be fun. Recycling content over and over again so we play though 6+ times to unlock everything on the other hand moves into bad territory. That's why I really hope they don't repeat this again next year. I don't want to have to play though a 7th time to unlock the new stuff.
The game does not begin at level 60. It does not begin when you claim your T6 ship and start the Mastery grind. The game begins at level 1 with the introduction scenes/missions. Seriously, anyone thinking the game doesn't start until max level never says "one and done" about anything else.
Do you rush through your dinner because dinner doesn't start until the last bite is eaten?
Do you slam through traffic at 100 MPH at all times because driving doesn't start until you arrive at your destination?
Do you only watch final episodes of series because the series doesn't begin until the final episode?
Seriously, this is the exact line of logic gamers use when they say the game doesn't begin until max level. Yeah, I understand that's how you want to play, but it isn't how I like it. I'm literally on my THIRD AoY character (the Tellarite Goddess of Beauty in my avatar) and am finding ways to have fun while leveling.
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The game does not begin at level 60. It does not begin when you claim your T6 ship and start the Mastery grind. The game begins at level 1 with the introduction scenes/missions. Seriously, anyone thinking the game doesn't start until max level never says "one and done" about anything else.
Do you rush through your dinner because dinner doesn't start until the last bite is eaten?
Do you slam through traffic at 100 MPH at all times because driving doesn't start until you arrive at your destination?
Do you only watch final episodes of series because the series doesn't begin until the final episode?
Seriously, this is the exact line of logic gamers use when they say the game doesn't begin until max level. Yeah, I understand that's how you want to play, but it isn't how I like it. I'm literally on my THIRD AoY character (the Tellarite Goddess of Beauty in my avatar) and am finding ways to have fun while leveling.
What a strange thing to say. Your post makes little sense to me. How does what you just said have any relevance for what's being disscused? No one is talking about the game starting at level 60 or only starting at T6/Mastery.
The game does not begin at level 60. It does not begin when you claim your T6 ship and start the Mastery grind. The game begins at level 1 with the introduction scenes/missions. Seriously, anyone thinking the game doesn't start until max level never says "one and done" about anything else.
Do you rush through your dinner because dinner doesn't start until the last bite is eaten?
Do you slam through traffic at 100 MPH at all times because driving doesn't start until you arrive at your destination?
Do you only watch final episodes of series because the series doesn't begin until the final episode?
Seriously, this is the exact line of logic gamers use when they say the game doesn't begin until max level. Yeah, I understand that's how you want to play, but it isn't how I like it. I'm literally on my THIRD AoY character (the Tellarite Goddess of Beauty in my avatar) and am finding ways to have fun while leveling.
What a strange thing to say. Your post makes little sense to me. How does what you just said have any relevance for what's being disscused? No one is talking about the game starting at level 60 or only starting at T6/Mastery.
The OP alluded to exactly that. "What's the point of leveling again" is the entire question embedded in OP's post.
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The game does not begin at level 60. It does not begin when you claim your T6 ship and start the Mastery grind. The game begins at level 1 with the introduction scenes/missions. Seriously, anyone thinking the game doesn't start until max level never says "one and done" about anything else.
Do you rush through your dinner because dinner doesn't start until the last bite is eaten?
Do you slam through traffic at 100 MPH at all times because driving doesn't start until you arrive at your destination?
Do you only watch final episodes of series because the series doesn't begin until the final episode?
Seriously, this is the exact line of logic gamers use when they say the game doesn't begin until max level. Yeah, I understand that's how you want to play, but it isn't how I like it. I'm literally on my THIRD AoY character (the Tellarite Goddess of Beauty in my avatar) and am finding ways to have fun while leveling.
What a strange thing to say. Your post makes little sense to me. How does what you just said have any relevance for what's being disscused? No one is talking about the game starting at level 60 or only starting at T6/Mastery.
The OP alluded to exactly that. "What's the point of leveling again" is the entire question embedded in OP's post.
I just don’t see the link between complaining about levelling again and talking about the game does not begin at level 60. Those are completely separate things to me. What does the problem of having to replay everything over and over again to unlock the new stuff have to do with your comments on end game not starting at level 60? The problem wasn't the game starting at level 1 or 60 the problem was replaying from level 1 over and over again is anything but fun. The first few replays might be fun but there are only so many builds and ways to play. Recycling the content like that works for the first few events but suffers from player burn out after to many years of doing it and STO has hit that limit in my eyes.
EDIT: As I said before I enjoyed the first few events but after 6 runs though that last thing I want to do is do it yet again to unlock more stuff. Surly they can come up with something new next year.
The game does not begin at level 60. It does not begin when you claim your T6 ship and start the Mastery grind. The game begins at level 1 with the introduction scenes/missions. Seriously, anyone thinking the game doesn't start until max level never says "one and done" about anything else.
Do you rush through your dinner because dinner doesn't start until the last bite is eaten?
Do you slam through traffic at 100 MPH at all times because driving doesn't start until you arrive at your destination?
Do you only watch final episodes of series because the series doesn't begin until the final episode?
Seriously, this is the exact line of logic gamers use when they say the game doesn't begin until max level. Yeah, I understand that's how you want to play, but it isn't how I like it. I'm literally on my THIRD AoY character (the Tellarite Goddess of Beauty in my avatar) and am finding ways to have fun while leveling.
What a strange thing to say. Your post makes little sense to me. How does what you just said have any relevance for what's being disscused? No one is talking about the game starting at level 60 or only starting at T6/Mastery.
The OP alluded to exactly that. "What's the point of leveling again" is the entire question embedded in OP's post.
I just don’t see the link between complaining about levelling again and talking about the game does not begin at level 60. Those are completely separate things to me. What does the problem of having to replay everything over and over again have to do with your comments on end game not starting at level 60?
I said, "The game does not begin at level 60. It does not begin when you claim your T6 ship and start the Mastery grind. The game begins at level 1 with the introduction scenes/missions. Seriously, anyone thinking the game doesn't start until max level never says "one and done" about anything else."
You then put words in my mouth by stating, "What does the problem of having to replay everything over and over again have to do with your comments on end game not starting at level 60?"
Nowhere do I mention end game, nor do I directly state the words "end game." Stop trying to build a person of straw here. Now I am going to follow my own advice and stop engaging, lest this turns into a flame war.
And if you're not having fun leveling, an MMO is not for you. Leveling is a gigantic part of the process.
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The game does not begin at level 60. It does not begin when you claim your T6 ship and start the Mastery grind. The game begins at level 1 with the introduction scenes/missions. Seriously, anyone thinking the game doesn't start until max level never says "one and done" about anything else.
Do you rush through your dinner because dinner doesn't start until the last bite is eaten?
Do you slam through traffic at 100 MPH at all times because driving doesn't start until you arrive at your destination?
Do you only watch final episodes of series because the series doesn't begin until the final episode?
Seriously, this is the exact line of logic gamers use when they say the game doesn't begin until max level. Yeah, I understand that's how you want to play, but it isn't how I like it. I'm literally on my THIRD AoY character (the Tellarite Goddess of Beauty in my avatar) and am finding ways to have fun while leveling.
What a strange thing to say. Your post makes little sense to me. How does what you just said have any relevance for what's being disscused? No one is talking about the game starting at level 60 or only starting at T6/Mastery.
The OP alluded to exactly that. "What's the point of leveling again" is the entire question embedded in OP's post.
I just don’t see the link between complaining about levelling again and talking about the game does not begin at level 60. Those are completely separate things to me. What does the problem of having to replay everything over and over again have to do with your comments on end game not starting at level 60?
I said, "The game does not begin at level 60. It does not begin when you claim your T6 ship and start the Mastery grind. The game begins at level 1 with the introduction scenes/missions. Seriously, anyone thinking the game doesn't start until max level never says "one and done" about anything else."
You then put words in my mouth by stating, "What does the problem of having to replay everything over and over again have to do with your comments on end game not starting at level 60?"
Nowhere do I mention end game, nor do I directly state the words "end game." Stop trying to build a person of straw here. Now I am going to follow my own advice and stop engaging, lest this turns into a flame war.
And if you're not having fun leveling, an MMO is not for you. Leveling is a gigantic part of the process.
You are not making much sense to me. I am not trying to build a straw or put words in your mouth. I am trying to understand what you talking about. You came in here said a bunch of stuff that looks unrelated to what’s being talked about. Its so out of place I don’t understand why you put it.
You are the one that brought up max level, T6 and mastery all end game stuff. I don’t understand why you did when it has nothing to do with what's being talked about or the the complaint of replaying the levelling over and over again. No one was talking about the game beginning at level 60 so you suddenly talking about how the game does not begin at level 60 looks out of place.
“And if you're not having fun leveling, an MMO is not for you. Leveling is a gigantic part of the process.”
Yes levelling is a gigantic part and it is fun. Evening levelling a few times like the 2nd or 3rd time can be fun but once you get to the 5th+ time it often stops being fun. We are complaining about having leveled up 5+ times to unlock everything its going a bit far. There are only so many ways to replay the level up process after you have done them all you are repeating yourself which for most people isn’t fun.
Yes you had fun on your 3rd AoY but how would you feel on your 7th or 8th or 10th run though? At what point does the levelling up stop being fun. For me we have had to level up so many times now I am burnt out on it. I don’t want to have to level up yet again to unlock the new stuff next year. For me the 6th and 7th level up process was starting to wear thin which is why I am not looking forward for them repeating this again.
I moved on to leveling an old sci toon, rommie, who I used to use as a torp bomber. Think this will keep me going for awhile. I can always come back. Have 10k Zen saved and about $3 billion ec, so it can wait. I must say the thing I liked the most was buying my first Lockbox ship - vengeance. Not a jjtrek fan, but that ship is good. Also the new Deus Ex game will be released in 2 weeks so looking forward to that as a change of pace.
[quote="pottsey5g;13024472"] [i]“And if you're not having fun leveling, an MMO is not for you. Leveling is a gigantic part of the process.”[/i] Yes levelling is a gigantic part and it is fun. Evening levelling a few times like the 2nd or 3rd time can be fun but once you get to the 5th+ time it often stops being fun. We are complaining about having leveled up 5+ times to unlock everything its going a bit far. There are only so many ways to replay the level up process after you have done them all you are repeating yourself which for most people isn’t fun.
Yes you had fun on your 3rd AoY but how would you feel on your 7th or 8th or 10th run though? At what point does the levelling up stop being fun. For me we have had to level up so many times now I am burnt out on it. I don’t want to have to level up yet again to unlock the new stuff next year. For me the 6th and 7th level up process was starting to wear thin which is why I am not looking forward for them repeating this again. [/quote] I have two accounts, I have now eight characters on my free account, and almost 20 on my main account. I still find the level 1 - 30 experience more fun than anything in the game for levels 50+.
In fact, I often make new romulans, level to 45, and then delete them and start over. Mostly I do this to get boffs with superior operative, but I only am willing to do it because it is fun.
I find the game balance and combat are far better matches for my playstyle at low level. This helps keep the early experience fun for me. By level 50 the powercreep is so high that fights are getting boring. At low level taking down shields then landing the torpedo hit is exciting. I've finished rights where my hull was in flames. That never happens outside the levelling experience.
And there are so many different builds that I still haven't had any issues feeling characters are repetitive, even at low level where options are more limited.
(shrug) I just take AOY at face value and see it as just a fun little thing they're doing for the 50th anniversary of Star Trek. No big deal. I've been enjoying it, except for some severe bugs that have marred the whole experience for me (which will hopefully be fixed soon).
(shrug) I just take AOY at face value and see it as just a fun little thing they're doing for the 50th anniversary of Star Trek. No big deal. I've been enjoying it, except for some severe bugs that have marred the whole experience for me (which will hopefully be fixed soon).
thats what ive been doing when im actually ingame, but when a question is posed i will give a dircet answer to it, as for the question posed by the threads headline , AoY was more about cashing in on Treks 50th then a full on expansion.
acc-wide reward unlock and new toon if you just started to play, and best part was getting a shard of possibilities on all alts, tho new ones will misss it
Cryptic built all this leveling content. You might as well give players more of a reason to use it.
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OK, another question. How many times did you rewatch episodes of Star Trek? Because, if you have seen them, rewatching them won't makes them different. BTW, I did notice some missions got some makeover. There was new voice acting in Year of the Comet.
Anyway, as many have pointed out, the point is to have fun with all this game stuff and if that is no longer the case, perhaps it is time to seek out new games and boldly go where no gamer has gone before.
I was thinking the other day. Suppose I could get a thousand years old. How many years do I have to work, earning an average income, so I have enough and can stop working and live as a free man? Because, if I had to work 1000 years, what is the point of getting that old?
In the end you will die anyway.
And when I feel the need to shoot things, the DSEs give me that outlet. I can shoot fish (Breen, Elachi, True Way, Gorn, Klingons, Borg, Nausicaans and Orions) in a barrel with impunity. It's a great outlet.
Similarly, if I feel more like primitive weapons, I can just grab my bow/sword and take a tour through a few ruins in Oblivion and hack n slash.
The point is, to have fun with any game you play, however you decide to play it. That's the beauty of MMOs or open world games.
“Anyway, as many have pointed out, the point is to have fun with all this game stuff and if that is no longer the case, perhaps it is time to seek out new games and boldly go where no gamer has gone before.”
But I am having fun with the rest of the game. The only bit that’s not fun is having to replay the same content over and over again to unlock the new things.
New content great. Recycling content like with Delta Recruits can still be fun. Recycling content over and over again so we play though 6+ times to unlock everything on the other hand moves into bad territory. That's why I really hope they don't repeat this again next year. I don't want to have to play though a 7th time to unlock the new stuff.
Do you rush through your dinner because dinner doesn't start until the last bite is eaten?
Do you slam through traffic at 100 MPH at all times because driving doesn't start until you arrive at your destination?
Do you only watch final episodes of series because the series doesn't begin until the final episode?
Seriously, this is the exact line of logic gamers use when they say the game doesn't begin until max level. Yeah, I understand that's how you want to play, but it isn't how I like it. I'm literally on my THIRD AoY character (the Tellarite Goddess of Beauty in my avatar) and am finding ways to have fun while leveling.
If there are posts here that do not appeal to you, or opinions you disagree with, the best way to deal with that is to resist the urge to add comments. Instead, engage with the content you like! Don't feed the trolls!
I don't know about the other questions but for this one ... YES! Absolutely yes!
The OP alluded to exactly that. "What's the point of leveling again" is the entire question embedded in OP's post.
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EDIT: As I said before I enjoyed the first few events but after 6 runs though that last thing I want to do is do it yet again to unlock more stuff. Surly they can come up with something new next year.
I said, "The game does not begin at level 60. It does not begin when you claim your T6 ship and start the Mastery grind. The game begins at level 1 with the introduction scenes/missions. Seriously, anyone thinking the game doesn't start until max level never says "one and done" about anything else."
You then put words in my mouth by stating, "What does the problem of having to replay everything over and over again have to do with your comments on end game not starting at level 60?"
Nowhere do I mention end game, nor do I directly state the words "end game." Stop trying to build a person of straw here. Now I am going to follow my own advice and stop engaging, lest this turns into a flame war.
And if you're not having fun leveling, an MMO is not for you. Leveling is a gigantic part of the process.
If there are posts here that do not appeal to you, or opinions you disagree with, the best way to deal with that is to resist the urge to add comments. Instead, engage with the content you like! Don't feed the trolls!
You are the one that brought up max level, T6 and mastery all end game stuff. I don’t understand why you did when it has nothing to do with what's being talked about or the the complaint of replaying the levelling over and over again. No one was talking about the game beginning at level 60 so you suddenly talking about how the game does not begin at level 60 looks out of place.
“And if you're not having fun leveling, an MMO is not for you. Leveling is a gigantic part of the process.”
Yes levelling is a gigantic part and it is fun. Evening levelling a few times like the 2nd or 3rd time can be fun but once you get to the 5th+ time it often stops being fun. We are complaining about having leveled up 5+ times to unlock everything its going a bit far. There are only so many ways to replay the level up process after you have done them all you are repeating yourself which for most people isn’t fun.
Yes you had fun on your 3rd AoY but how would you feel on your 7th or 8th or 10th run though? At what point does the levelling up stop being fun. For me we have had to level up so many times now I am burnt out on it. I don’t want to have to level up yet again to unlock the new stuff next year. For me the 6th and 7th level up process was starting to wear thin which is why I am not looking forward for them repeating this again.
[i]“And if you're not having fun leveling, an MMO is not for you. Leveling is a gigantic part of the process.”[/i]
Yes levelling is a gigantic part and it is fun. Evening levelling a few times like the 2nd or 3rd time can be fun but once you get to the 5th+ time it often stops being fun. We are complaining about having leveled up 5+ times to unlock everything its going a bit far. There are only so many ways to replay the level up process after you have done them all you are repeating yourself which for most people isn’t fun.
Yes you had fun on your 3rd AoY but how would you feel on your 7th or 8th or 10th run though? At what point does the levelling up stop being fun. For me we have had to level up so many times now I am burnt out on it. I don’t want to have to level up yet again to unlock the new stuff next year. For me the 6th and 7th level up process was starting to wear thin which is why I am not looking forward for them repeating this again.
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I have two accounts, I have now eight characters on my free account, and almost 20 on my main account. I still find the level 1 - 30 experience more fun than anything in the game for levels 50+.
In fact, I often make new romulans, level to 45, and then delete them and start over. Mostly I do this to get boffs with superior operative, but I only am willing to do it because it is fun.
I find the game balance and combat are far better matches for my playstyle at low level. This helps keep the early experience fun for me. By level 50 the powercreep is so high that fights are getting boring. At low level taking down shields then landing the torpedo hit is exciting. I've finished rights where my hull was in flames. That never happens outside the levelling experience.
And there are so many different builds that I still haven't had any issues feeling characters are repetitive, even at low level where options are more limited.
Merchendising and sales of the AoY pack, why put more ships into your expansion when you can charge outragous prices for them.
The whole point of AoY was to shamlesly cash in on star treks 50th nothing more.
thats what ive been doing when im actually ingame, but when a question is posed i will give a dircet answer to it, as for the question posed by the threads headline , AoY was more about cashing in on Treks 50th then a full on expansion.
but all in all i like it
To get more players. Duh.
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