What's the point? Isn't skipping all of the missions etc basically skipping the game? Why play it at all if it is so tedious.
Not necessarily. Although many people claim that STO has no real endgame contend some of us found ways to spend their time there for years now while having fun.
I had an interesting experience yesterday while looking at the story missions on my main by the way. I remember to have played all available missions on him four years ago but since cryptic constantly brings in new ones while patching out olds ones I ended up with having only 35% of the current ones available actually played. Rest was either skipped or not even selected once.
Still, I am there at endgame with all trees maxed out. Especially when having lots of alts doing the same mission can get tedious while the experience at endgame may vary a lot.
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At best, STO is Freemium and not P2W. You can get everything in-game without spending a dime. It takes longer, but it's quite possible.
The road of Pay 2 Win is not a road we want to go down. It won't end well.
So in the interests of discussion, let's talk about how we can work out this concept to NOT make it P2W. There would have to be some degree of limit or gear nerfing to keep this from being P2W.
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Sidenote:
While I did make a suggestion about selling a "Boost" on a cash only basis to players after completing the Iconian War, I personally do not care if such a boost is actually offered in the game.
Sidenote:
While I did make a suggestion about selling a "Boost" on a cash only basis to players after completing the Iconian War, I personally do not care if such a boost is actually offered in the game.
Pay 2 Win applies in PvE just as much as PvP. If you pay to unlock an item that is possibly game-breaking, does it not apply in PvE also?
Again, let's keep this game Freemium. If "boost to 50/60" would become an in-game item, there should be a tradeoff in the boosted characters not having the latest, greatest, 10,000,000 marks of each kind, 100,000,000,000 EC, 10,000,000 Dil, and 10,000,000 Zen. Yes, I know hyperbole, but we can all agree this is something we DON'T WANT.
I wouldn't be 100% against boosted characters if they do like Warcraft did it. You can jump in, but you're not getting anything extremely good. Just a boosted character with lowball gear. That isn't P2W, but more Pay 2 Avoid, which is more along the lines of Freemium-based games.
Just to clarify, this is like any other Freemium game. You pay X monies (the premium currency) to avoid having to wait in most freemium games. You still have to earn your coins (the other currency), but you've simply used X monies to avoid the waiting game. For some, leveling is "waiting to play the game," but the tradeoff is that avoidance is NOT going to give you awesome prizes. It merely gets you there extremely fast.
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Okay, so say I am a new player and STO offers a Boost which I purchase... I now have a level 60 captain in a sea of other level captains. How exactly is that "game breaking"?
It is actually a hindrance since I lack knowledge and game experience. If you say it is P2W, then you need to explain why you believe that otherwise it is just a meaningless comment.
Okay, so say I am a new player and STO offers a Boost which I purchase... I now have a level 60 captain in a sea of other level captains. How exactly is that "game breaking"?
It is actually a hindrance since I lack knowledge and game experience. If you say it is P2W, then you need to explain why you believe that otherwise it is just a meaningless comment.
I just explained how Warcraft did their boosts and how it WASN'T game breaking and WASN'T Pay2Win. Seriously. Go read it.
Obviously, you didn't, because you absolutely have this idea that I'm 100% against boosts and I 100% believe that boosts have to be Pay2Win. I just showed how I am not 100% against boosts and how it doesn't have to be Pay2Win. But you know, this entire false dichotomy must be kept going, right?
Stop trying to troll me.
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I wouldn't be 100% against boosted characters if they do like Warcraft did it. You can jump in, but you're not getting anything extremely good. Just a boosted character with lowball gear. That isn't P2W, but more Pay 2 Avoid, which is more along the lines of Freemium-based games.
So again, how is a purchasing a Boost for STO that allows a player to have level 60 captain P2W? Are you expecting the Boost to include epic MK XIV gear? You did not explain why you believe the Boost to be P2W.
OK, at this point, you're just arguing to argue. Read for comprehension instead of hitting ctrl-f. Read the entire passage instead of hitting ctrl-f. You did selective quoting to try and keep your false dichotomy against me going.
Quite bluntly, if this were a page I was in charge of, you'd be banned right now. Be thankful.
Good bye.
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OK, at this point, you're just arguing to argue. Read for comprehension instead of hitting ctrl-f. Read the entire passage instead of hitting ctrl-f. You did selective quoting to try and keep your false dichotomy against me going.
Quite bluntly, if this were a page I was in charge of, you'd be banned right now. Be thankful.
Good bye.
I have no idea what you are referring to when you stated "false dichotomy against me going."
That paragraph that I quoted was the only one where you mentioned WoW.
Trust me, you do not have the temperament to be a moderator.
Sure why not sell a $50 dollar boost that allows a character to level 50. The trade off would be that they only get the normal RA/BG T5 free ship and 200k ec to fill equip their toons. This way Cryptic gets money and the new toon skips all the story missions up to 50, but has no other advantages over toons that went through the process.
You want RD maxed out? There is another $20 dollars to open it up completely. The trade-off is that you have to wait till level 55 to gain access to the level 15 traits. They also gain do not gain any RD materials to actually begin building stuff. RD Packs sold separately.
But wait there is more! For a measly $10 you can max out your doff commendation to level 4! Sure you get the free leveling doff packs, but none of the ones come from leveling up a category. If you order in the next 5 minutes, you can still get the free boff for diplomacy/marauder!
You want all your Reputations maxed out at the start? Sure pay another $20 and you get instant access to all the traits and abilities from every current reputation. The trade-off is that you do not get any of the boxes dropped from completing projects nor do you any of the rewards from the level 5 completion mission. So have fun grinding anyways for all the fun stuff.
So for the low price of $100 you could unlock a new level 50 toon, with maxed out Rep/RD/Doff Comm! Fly your fancy free T5 Rear Admiral Ship with pride as you proceed to grind all the marks, dill, duty officers, and equips that you would normally gain during the leveling process.
Cryptic is ready to take your money now, do not delay! Remember certain restrictions may apply and these will not appear in the Z-Store!
It is necessary to gather evidence from more than one source (i.e. a single thread) to form a real opinion. Everyone makes assumption everyday since people will never always have 100% of the ncessary information. That is why you need use more than one source to form an opinion and that is why judicial systems generally requires more than one piece of evidence in order for juries to render an opinion on legal matters. Additionally, you be being rather manipulative.
If no one rebukes your statement, then you feel vindicated in you assumption. If someone does say otherwise, then you go on the offensive.
Forums share some similar social etiquette to real life where you should not make blanket statements based on assumptions that may offend someone.
What has a lvl 50 toon anything to do with P2W I don't understand, still have to do missions and other stuff to get my char the tools I would like them to have and after that I have to outfit all my boffs also to get something out of it so I don't see a winning side here because I still loose money, EC, Dillithium and other sources on them so where is the winning ? The only win I have and what I would like to have is a lvl 50 char to get a head start so I don't have to spend days on chars and things like that.
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It would ruin this game completely to have a bunch of instant-level jockeys who just want to pew-pew in ships rather than work on developing their skills by leveling in the game.
I don't want STO to be a Call of Duty pew-pew space clone. No thanks.
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Not necessarily. Although many people claim that STO has no real endgame contend some of us found ways to spend their time there for years now while having fun.
I had an interesting experience yesterday while looking at the story missions on my main by the way. I remember to have played all available missions on him four years ago but since cryptic constantly brings in new ones while patching out olds ones I ended up with having only 35% of the current ones available actually played. Rest was either skipped or not even selected once.
Still, I am there at endgame with all trees maxed out. Especially when having lots of alts doing the same mission can get tedious while the experience at endgame may vary a lot.
Looking for a fun PvE fleet? Join us at Omega Combat Division today.
"Coffee: the finest organic suspension ever devised. It's got me through the worst of the last three years. I beat the Borg with it."
At best, STO is Freemium and not P2W. You can get everything in-game without spending a dime. It takes longer, but it's quite possible.
The road of Pay 2 Win is not a road we want to go down. It won't end well.
So in the interests of discussion, let's talk about how we can work out this concept to NOT make it P2W. There would have to be some degree of limit or gear nerfing to keep this from being P2W.
If there are posts here that do not appeal to you, or opinions you disagree with, the best way to deal with that is to resist the urge to add comments. Instead, engage with the content you like! Don't feed the trolls!
Sidenote:
While I did make a suggestion about selling a "Boost" on a cash only basis to players after completing the Iconian War, I personally do not care if such a boost is actually offered in the game.
Pay 2 Win applies in PvE just as much as PvP. If you pay to unlock an item that is possibly game-breaking, does it not apply in PvE also?
Again, let's keep this game Freemium. If "boost to 50/60" would become an in-game item, there should be a tradeoff in the boosted characters not having the latest, greatest, 10,000,000 marks of each kind, 100,000,000,000 EC, 10,000,000 Dil, and 10,000,000 Zen. Yes, I know hyperbole, but we can all agree this is something we DON'T WANT.
I wouldn't be 100% against boosted characters if they do like Warcraft did it. You can jump in, but you're not getting anything extremely good. Just a boosted character with lowball gear. That isn't P2W, but more Pay 2 Avoid, which is more along the lines of Freemium-based games.
Just to clarify, this is like any other Freemium game. You pay X monies (the premium currency) to avoid having to wait in most freemium games. You still have to earn your coins (the other currency), but you've simply used X monies to avoid the waiting game. For some, leveling is "waiting to play the game," but the tradeoff is that avoidance is NOT going to give you awesome prizes. It merely gets you there extremely fast.
If there are posts here that do not appeal to you, or opinions you disagree with, the best way to deal with that is to resist the urge to add comments. Instead, engage with the content you like! Don't feed the trolls!
It is actually a hindrance since I lack knowledge and game experience. If you say it is P2W, then you need to explain why you believe that otherwise it is just a meaningless comment.
I just explained how Warcraft did their boosts and how it WASN'T game breaking and WASN'T Pay2Win. Seriously. Go read it.
Obviously, you didn't, because you absolutely have this idea that I'm 100% against boosts and I 100% believe that boosts have to be Pay2Win. I just showed how I am not 100% against boosts and how it doesn't have to be Pay2Win. But you know, this entire false dichotomy must be kept going, right?
Stop trying to troll me.
If there are posts here that do not appeal to you, or opinions you disagree with, the best way to deal with that is to resist the urge to add comments. Instead, engage with the content you like! Don't feed the trolls!
This is what you stated for WoW.
So again, how is a purchasing a Boost for STO that allows a player to have level 60 captain P2W? Are you expecting the Boost to include epic MK XIV gear? You did not explain why you believe the Boost to be P2W.
Quite bluntly, if this were a page I was in charge of, you'd be banned right now. Be thankful.
Good bye.
If there are posts here that do not appeal to you, or opinions you disagree with, the best way to deal with that is to resist the urge to add comments. Instead, engage with the content you like! Don't feed the trolls!
I have no idea what you are referring to when you stated "false dichotomy against me going."
That paragraph that I quoted was the only one where you mentioned WoW.
Trust me, you do not have the temperament to be a moderator.
Speak for yourself.
You should not make assumptions about other people without enough supporting evidence.
You want RD maxed out? There is another $20 dollars to open it up completely. The trade-off is that you have to wait till level 55 to gain access to the level 15 traits. They also gain do not gain any RD materials to actually begin building stuff. RD Packs sold separately.
But wait there is more! For a measly $10 you can max out your doff commendation to level 4! Sure you get the free leveling doff packs, but none of the ones come from leveling up a category. If you order in the next 5 minutes, you can still get the free boff for diplomacy/marauder!
You want all your Reputations maxed out at the start? Sure pay another $20 and you get instant access to all the traits and abilities from every current reputation. The trade-off is that you do not get any of the boxes dropped from completing projects nor do you any of the rewards from the level 5 completion mission. So have fun grinding anyways for all the fun stuff.
So for the low price of $100 you could unlock a new level 50 toon, with maxed out Rep/RD/Doff Comm! Fly your fancy free T5 Rear Admiral Ship with pride as you proceed to grind all the marks, dill, duty officers, and equips that you would normally gain during the leveling process.
Cryptic is ready to take your money now, do not delay! Remember certain restrictions may apply and these will not appear in the Z-Store!
If no one rebukes your statement, then you feel vindicated in you assumption. If someone does say otherwise, then you go on the offensive.
Forums share some similar social etiquette to real life where you should not make blanket statements based on assumptions that may offend someone.
"Coffee: the finest organic suspension ever devised. It's got me through the worst of the last three years. I beat the Borg with it."
It would ruin this game completely to have a bunch of instant-level jockeys who just want to pew-pew in ships rather than work on developing their skills by leveling in the game.
I don't want STO to be a Call of Duty pew-pew space clone. No thanks.
Being critical doesn't take skill. Being constructively critical- which is providing alternative solutions or suggestions to a demonstrated problem, however, does.