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I have always assume you can not warp without deflector
or can you ?
The Phoenix, I have been looking at some drawings of it
but there has no indication of any deflector technology
and its hull is made from titanium
Mode1 : sand blasting model ( without deflector you are blasting sands on a metal piece )
the (degree of) decay of a shiphull is related to ( certain variables or stuffs )
1) the amount of particles in space ( g / m^3 )
2) acceleration of the particle or craft ( m*s^2 )
3) geometric shape and size of the ship ( ?, some numerical index TRIBBLE for different shape )
4) and the distant of travel, or speed * time (m)
5) something I may have missed...some sort correcting factor BS stuffs... (I am gamer not a scientist)
6) how far you want to go as a write to the story sound awsome
so should Phoenix be warp capable at all ?
maybe possible
1) because phoenix only flew in solar system , maybe they plotted a path with least amount of particles (maybe just BS lol)
2) only warp 1 , but then again no idea how warp 1 mean for acceleration for particle
3) phoenis is small
( that isnt BS )
4) distant of travel was short ( a couple seconds I think )
5) no idea here ...should be irrelevant
6) Star trek writers go pretty far to make the story sounds awsome.
Model 2 : similar to breaking sound barrier
no deflector, all the particles in space just became a solid wall BOOM!!!!!
basicly anything travel without deflector end up like those buggs on your windshield.
I think coffee worn off after I rage type model 1
Somehow I think it is just all BS but for BS sake,
any smart dude who can figure it out?
Is phoenis BS or Deflector is BS ? or they are all BS ...
Or there is another fake science model we should consider ?
or can you ?
The Phoenix, I have been looking at some drawings of it
but there has no indication of any deflector technology
and its hull is made from titanium
Mode1 : sand blasting model ( without deflector you are blasting sands on a metal piece )
the (degree of) decay of a shiphull is related to ( certain variables or stuffs )
1) the amount of particles in space ( g / m^3 )
2) acceleration of the particle or craft ( m*s^2 )
3) geometric shape and size of the ship ( ?, some numerical index TRIBBLE for different shape )
4) and the distant of travel, or speed * time (m)
5) something I may have missed...some sort correcting factor BS stuffs... (I am gamer not a scientist)
6) how far you want to go as a write to the story sound awsome
so should Phoenix be warp capable at all ?
maybe possible
1) because phoenix only flew in solar system , maybe they plotted a path with least amount of particles (maybe just BS lol)
2) only warp 1 , but then again no idea how warp 1 mean for acceleration for particle
3) phoenis is small
( that isnt BS )4) distant of travel was short ( a couple seconds I think )
5) no idea here ...should be irrelevant
6) Star trek writers go pretty far to make the story sounds awsome.
Model 2 : similar to breaking sound barrier
no deflector, all the particles in space just became a solid wall BOOM!!!!!
basicly anything travel without deflector end up like those buggs on your windshield.
I think coffee worn off after I rage type model 1
Somehow I think it is just all BS but for BS sake,
any smart dude who can figure it out?
Is phoenis BS or Deflector is BS ? or they are all BS ...
Or there is another fake science model we should consider ?
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As for the Phenix, I guess it was just luck nothing hit the ship.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
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So... maybe?
As for the Phoenix... Pure luck and time spent at Warp may be a factor. Unless the primitive nature of Phoenix' warp field acted a bit like a brute force deflector. Think Battering Ram or bullet through Balistics Gel.
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I figure, if you are in a relatively clear area of space, a short jump won't hurt. Once they cleared the swarm, they probably would have returned to Yorktown at impulse.
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The problem however is that ships in Star Trek routinely travel with shields down. The whole, "Shields up!" thing when s--t hits the fan.
I don't remember anybody on the bridge actually calling out what parts of the ship were being taken out, until they were already gone.
The chit hit the fan pretty quickly and by the time anybody knew what was going on it was too late to react in any way that would have worked.
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If the warp field as we know it today moves all space, then either the deflector isn't needed, or it's used to help stabilize or shape the "bubble". If particles can still theoretically get in, then yes, we want that piece of equipment installed and operating so that a micro meteor doesn't smack through our viewscreens at a bazillion times the speed of light.
edit: thank you sarreous, never know how to make use codes, spoilerdeflector engaged pew pew
-> Sulu (slightly panic) ... they took out the dish
-> Kirk then replie ( calmly ) warp us out of here
-> Sulu than (calmly or dishearted) yes sir
*somehow the new trek movies brought back in some old racial steorotype as a joke that asians cant (warp)drive LOL
Now I speculate that Krall knew that the dish could help Enterprise combating the swarm
Deflector could disperse or disrupt the swarm like any other spacederbis.
Without the deflector dish Enterprise can never escape far @ high warp safely,
maybe a short distant and taking even more damage.
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And if warp drive works like Alcubierre's theory, then deflectors become even more important, so that random cosmic debris and photons don't become entrapped in the wavefront, only to be released as a burst of Hawking radiation when you drop out of warp.
Haha, that just makes me think "Admiral Ozzel came out of lightspeed too close to the system."
Your father was captain of a starship for twelve minutes. He saved 800 lives, including your mother's, and yours.
I dare you to do better.
Conceivably, the JJverse ships would also have secondary backups for critical systems at the least, because in an environment as hostile as space, redundancy is never redundant. Then again, the (in universe) designers of those vessels though that putting a giant window on the front of the bridge was a good idea....
On the topic of ships without visible dishes, well, the Miranda was supposed to have one but between blueprinting and construction of the model it got forgotten, though I'm not sure where it would have gone without making the ship look... clunky, rather like the way the Pioneer class looks. The alien ships can be hand-waved (as much as I'd rather not) as "different species found different technologies to combat the same problems". After all, look at how many ships don't have exposed nacelles.
You do realize that the full name used by Star Fleet to denote their ship energy shield system is:
"Deflector Shields"
right?
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Yes. But they are so called because they deflect weapons and stuff. It seems most ships don't have them on all the time or at warp else we wouldn't hear 'raise the shields' so often.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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You probably could get away with raising shields, but they'd be under an effective bombardment compared to the nav deflector 'sweeping' things out of the way, so it wouldn't last forever. (Hence, the 'main deflector' is not a 'deflector shield' in the sense o part of a ship's defensive capabilities, as they use the same basic technology to different effects).
Both of which are apparently different from force fields, or the structural integrity field in conception.
Or the matter/antimatter containment fields! Those are just boring old magnetic, though, good old-fasioned boring physics.
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It's specualtion, but I could imagine that "shields up" means raising all shields (shields are generated for each "side" independently) and powering them up to a level that inhibits transporters and deflects weapons fire. Maybe the forwards deflector shield is usually low powered to deflect natural hazards during cruises but not powered enough to be able to withstand directed energy attacks.
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Also note Memory Alpha's article on deflector shields, which stated that deflector shields could be emitted either through the main deflector, or from deflector shield emitters all over the ship's hull.
Memory Alpha articles aside, has anyone considered that ships without visible deflectors simply placed all of the deflector systems all over the ship instead? After all, it's just a matter of low power shields and tractor beams and such here and there.
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Oh, now don't tell me you want in on all this! Well, ok. Look this that Egg Pawn hanging outside your window, pointing his laser rifle at you, waiting for my next order. He's doing his part. He helps conquer the weak-minded. He roboticizes the weak-bodied. Heck, he even helps keep the useless people from causing any trouble, but you know what? Join. Find the closest Nataran Empire roboticization center near you and join the ranks, before the ranks find you. Oh, I know, you figure it must be so satisfying to know I basically rule the world now, and you know what? It is, but do you want to know the true definition of satisfaction? Well, let me tell you a little story. One day, you see a brand new event. They're giving out boxes that give old event stuff. Your dilithium is plentiful. You buy a whole lot of Phoenix packs on your main, and open them all. You get one epic token. Then, you decide, that since you have all the Breen ships and don't give a damn about the others, you exchange it for an ultra rare, and grab yourself a Jem'Hadar Attack Ship and for the hell of it, a Voth Bulwark. You open both, leaving the Bulwark in your vast masses of starships as you jump into the bugship and deck it out, deck by deck, into the most awesome Jem'Hadar ship you can. You fly it. You enjoy it. Eventually, you get bored and leave, leaving the old Bulwark never flown... until later. Your main is long complete. Your new alt main, based off some character you pulled out of nothing just to explain away some starship being in service without the command of your dear admiral, is also complete. Mostly. Their reps and doffs are hard at work, getting you stuff. You realize the potential, and head back for your dear admiral, pull the most Voth themed build you can out of thin air, and suit up in your giant ship in the shape of you know what. You head out... and cause all sorts of havoc. Enemies scream out your name as their very life is drained away by your swarms of Aceton Assimilators. They complain to the devs of your OPness when you revive yourself from death every time you die. Do you show any form of mercy? No. After all, this isn't the United Federation of Planets, this is mother frakkin' Starfleet, where you explore strange new worlds and kick butt never kicked before. Oh, and you realize that I just wrote another speech rivaling your own signature. Cool. Oh, wait, that's just the original draft, it is part of my signature now. Oh, and yes, I am aware that I have become a Canadian Regent; one day, sooner than you'd expect, we'll suddenly decide to take over the world and declare an "alliance", and I shall become it's Regent. You know, like the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance in the mirror universe of our beloved Star Trek. Oh, who'll we be taking over with? I dunno, maybe [REDACTED], or maybe aliens from outer space. Guess you'll have to wait and find out, won't we? Until then, don't ask too many questions, or else my Breen allies on Titania might pick up on your -- [REDACTED BY BREEN CONFEDERACY FOR REASONS] Also, psst... keep an eye out for flying Tribbles! Also walls. Big, great walls, separating entire continents apart. Walls patrolled by Tribbles. Flying Tribbles. Flying Nukara Tribbles. Don't worry, it's not like they were on Venus with a herd of Tholians or anything, they just like the extreme heat and brutal weather like acid rain and hurricane force winds as the norm. Oh, and definitely keep your eye out on any two-tailed foxes, because if they ain't glowing, they're definitely an imposter. Possibly an Undine, we caught one of those once in my place once. Oh, and if you find a two-tailed fox that doesn't like the cold... most certainly ask him to say sorry. If he refuses, DESTROY HIM WITH A DOOMSDAY MACHINE, BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING ELSE THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH AGAINST SUCH AN OVERPOWERED IMPOSTER!
tr;dr, I am winning last post wins 3.0. Thank you for your time.
( it is in the trailer so no spoiler at all )
I just assuming that at warp, the deflector, shield or hull ,
they form together some sort warp(aero)dynamic shape.
smoke is just tiny particles like all the other stuffs in space, right?
somehow it makes sense that some ship look very aerodynamic LOL
and most likely CGI guys were like,
hey they use those simulation smoke stuffs in car stuffs
Lin was like, oh yeh darn it let us do that
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