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Is STO canon?

ktonof1aqktonof1aq Member Posts: 210 Arc User
edited July 2016 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
Star Trek Online has been the trekker susbstinance since Enterprise got cancelled. Now, with the new series coming out, I'm wondering whether any of this (STO) is going to be canon or do we ignore it? I'm fine either way but I'm just curious....IS STO CANON?
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  • sp00kymulder#3221 sp00kymulder
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    no.

    sto is not even close to canon.
  • kjwashingtonkjwashington Member Posts: 2,529 Arc User
    First off, cannon is a weapon. You mean canon.

    STO is considered "soft" canon. The shows and original timeline movies are "hard" canon.
    Basically, you can consider STO to be canon, until a hard canon source overwrites STO and makes it non-canon.
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  • iconiansiconians Member Posts: 6,987 Arc User
    edited July 2016
    STO is not canon. It's another alternate reality all of its own that contains various elements from various canon and licensed Star Trek sources, but has its own self-contained continuity.

    It's easiest to explain it as, "Cryptic's take on the Star Trek universe Spock left behind after disappearing into the Kelvin Timeline."​​
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  • ktonof1aqktonof1aq Member Posts: 210 Arc User
    I love your explanation. So many possibilities with that. One of my favorite episodes is TNG Parallels.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdrmUXxhfno

    (also, thanks kjwashington).
  • scarlingscarling Member Posts: 708 Arc User
    Exactly not canon. So worrying about what is and what isn't, when items are added to the game, is an exercise in futility.
  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,001 Arc User
    By definition it's not. If the new show incorporates elements from STO though those become canon (just those elements, though)​​
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  • captsolcaptsol Member Posts: 921 Arc User
    edited July 2016
    Exactly. It's canon to itself, within its own continuity just as any licensed Star Trek story product such as the licensed novels are, but, it isn't 'canon' in the broader sense as with the TV shows and films.
  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    No. It's non-canon. Just like anything that isn't a film or TV show. It's a licenced propriety but it's not canon.
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  • jaturnleyjaturnley Member Posts: 1,218 Arc User
    ktonof1aq wrote: »
    Star Trek Online has been the trekker susbstinance since Enterprise got cancelled. Now, with the new series coming out, I'm wondering whether any of this (STO) is going to be canon or do we ignore it? I'm fine either way but I'm just curious....IS STO CANON?

    All that being said, this is a VERY squishy issue. There has been no canon update to the prime universe after the events of the 2009 movie. So while STO is not screen canon, it's literally the only sanctioned Trek moving forward from that event. With all rumors pointing to the new show taking place between the Kirk and Picard time periods, that is unlikely to change anytime soon.

    So basically, it's not officially screen canon, but it's literally the only canon there is at this point, making it the definitive canon at this point in time. Kinda scary, right?
  • farmallmfarmallm Member Posts: 4,630 Arc User
    STO is considered "Soft Canon" like books and comics. Where it takes Star Trek as a basis and goes from there. In turn creating fun gaming time to escape the crazy normal day life. To make all fans happy, they try to use a little from all Star Trek: movies, shows, and sometimes the books.
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  • orangeitisorangeitis Member Posts: 5,222 Arc User
    Why do people put so much importance on "canon"? All it's defined as is "generally accepted as genuine", as in a mere popular opinion. What we really should be discussing are continuity establishments.​​
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  • lordgyorlordgyor Member Posts: 2,820 Arc User
    Because of countless alternate universes everything is canon, from STO to Star Trek P'orn parodies.

    But its not Prime Universe.
  • thunderfoot#5163 thunderfoot
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    I dunno about all this 'hard' or 'soft' canon stuff. I just know I like playing STO most days. I have also met some very fine people ingame and here whose company I enjoy. Whose opinions are well thought out and expressed succinctly
    This is more than enough for me. So I have a pair of questions.

    Why do people expect this game to be more than it is?
    And whose fault is it really when the game does not live up to their overly lofty expectations?
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  • lordgyorlordgyor Member Posts: 2,820 Arc User
    When in a multiverse that spawns different timelines/universes for different choices, it really stops being a question of canon vs. none canon or even soft canon vs. hard canon, it becomes Prime Universe vs. None Prime Universes such as the novel universes, JJverse, Mirror Universe, what I call the P'orn Universes.
  • nexurulernexuruler Member Posts: 95 Arc User
    this game lost its canon mark when it allowed players to fly the undine (or Species 8472) ships.
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  • goodscotchgoodscotch Member Posts: 1,680 Arc User
    edited July 2016
    Canon in what respect? The star ships? No way! Most of the ships in game have never been in any of the series or movies. They're just designs that have similarities with various ships that have been in the Star Trek series or movies. But Banana Pancakes being one of the most popular foods...that's canon! I love the smell of Banana Pancakes and Raktajino in the morning...it smells like...BREAKFAST!
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
    orangeitis wrote: »
    Why do people put so much importance on "canon"? All it's defined as is "generally accepted as genuine", as in a mere popular opinion. What we really should be discussing are continuity establishments.​​
    I think it's a form of insanity. There's only one real definition, but that definition has been redacted. The innumerable fan definitions are worth about as much as the paper they may or may not be printed on.
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  • echattyechatty Member Posts: 5,914 Arc User
    thunderfoot006 wrote: »
    I dunno about all this 'hard' or 'soft' canon stuff. I just know I like playing STO most days. I have also met some very fine people ingame and here whose company I enjoy. Whose opinions are well thought out and expressed succinctly
    This is more than enough for me. So I have a pair of questions.

    Why do people expect this game to be more than it is?
    And whose fault is it really when the game does not live up to their overly lofty expectations?

    I usually enjoy playing the game myself. Currently I'm rushing my Ferasan through the arcs to get him the prizes that have been brought back. I'll also be taking my others through the final story to get the ones who don't have them the prizes too.

    I don't expect any more than what I've been given, and it's usually fun.
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  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,950 Arc User
    Until it's referenced or depicted either on TV or in a movie no, none of STO is canon.
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  • pulserazorpulserazor Member Posts: 590 Arc User
    STO is bat-TRIBBLE crazy, so no. Multiverse Star Wars / Star Trek fanfic mashup hentai is more canon then this debacle.
  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    markhawkman wrote: »
    There's only one real definition, but that definition has been redacted.

    No it hasn't. It can still be found by a bit of looking. Until a new one is issued the old one stands.​​
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    '...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
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  • hyplhypl Member Posts: 3,719 Arc User
    I love how people are scared of the possibility that STO might become canon one day... :D
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  • captsolcaptsol Member Posts: 921 Arc User
    hypl wrote: »
    I love how people are scared of the possibility that STO might become canon one day... :D

    I don't think anyone is honestly scared of that. :)
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    No.
  • madhabmaticsmadhabmatics Member Posts: 12 Arc User
    No one knows whether the new series will be based in the prime or kelvin universes until the announcement / questions and answers session at SDCC, but you can almost be assured that it won't legitimize STO. STO's story exists to serve the gameplay, so it would be unnecessarily restrictive for a TV show or movie.

    It might steal interesting bits (ships, planets, race names, etc), though, which is something that the Star Trek television teams have done before. Enterprise referenced the rad RPG sourcebook for Andorians, "Among the Clans," for instance.
  • jaturnleyjaturnley Member Posts: 1,218 Arc User
    madhabmatics wrote: »
    No one knows whether the new series will be based in the prime or kelvin universes until the announcement / questions and answers session at SDCC, but you can almost be assured that it won't legitimize STO. STO's story exists to serve the gameplay, so it would be unnecessarily restrictive for a TV show or movie.

    It might steal interesting bits (ships, planets, race names, etc), though, which is something that the Star Trek television teams have done before. Enterprise referenced the rad RPG sourcebook for Andorians, "Among the Clans," for instance.

    While we don't know until they say, CBS would have to pay Paramount if they used the KT, and won't if they do prime, so chances are we'll be seeing them use prime.
  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    ktonof1aq wrote: »
    IS STO CANON?

    Yes. Absolutely. It's hard canon for my head canon. I call it heard canon. I really only count things that are on Holodeck, not on Tribble. As too much on Tribble is subject to rewrites.

    I know it seems confusing but I've gone ahead and compiled the ultimate compendium on all things Trek. Currently I've used a 0.5 mm Micron Pigma ink pen to fit two lines of text per ruled line in 42 separate composition books, but I'm almost done with this project. I have about 3 or 4 more gold key Star Trek comics to fully immerse myself in and then I'll be ready. The plan is to have my friend use her document scanner and then post every scanned page of the Star Trek H(e)a(r)d Canon Compendium for all to read, memorize and follow.

    After that I plan to unravel the DC Multiverse once and for all!

    Excelsior!

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  • crypticarmsmancrypticarmsman Member Posts: 4,111 Arc User
    IMO - it'll be interesting to see if any stories in the upcoming Star Trek (2017) series involve anything taken from the STO storylines. Remember that over the years the various Star Trek series incorporated elements from 'soft canon' sources here and there.
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  • leemwatsonleemwatson Member Posts: 5,342 Arc User
    It's not canon unless CBS says it is. Bear in mind though, the storylines have to be authorised by CBS, as Cryptic has previously said.
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