Don't understand Temporal Agent Pack

bmcd73
bmcd73 Member Posts: 257 Arc User
I own every single pack released and almost every single bundle to date. I love having a bunch of different options and also love the console synergy stuff when you buy bundles. But I am confused by this pack. It seems like a lot of $$ with as much value as previous packs. Are you required to use special ships in this next expansion or can you use your existing ships? If you are forced to use new ships, I guess this makes sense but if not, I have a ton of T1-T5 ships that I can use already. There are a number of T6 ships which are cross faction and I wouldn't mind owning a few of them but the rest of the pack is just meh... The uniforms I either own already or are meh. The qualification tokens are meh. The upgrade kits are meh. The titles are super stupid and not worth a penny in my opinion. Where are the special BOs? Where are the special DOffs? The other packs seem to be a better value. It makes me wonder if I am missing something.
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  • neos472
    neos472 Member Posts: 580 Arc User
    TOS fed can use the standard fed ships and regular fed will have access to these new TOS ships for their own personal use and they have some wicked effects these ships are not required for the expansion they just add a little of TOS to STO
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  • garaks31
    garaks31 Member Posts: 2,827 Arc User
    and i have levelled toons with all of the previous "ton of" t1-t4 ships so new ones are welcomed . do's and bo's would be nice addition.
  • davefenestrator
    davefenestrator Member Posts: 9,790 Arc User
    Yes, the Delta Pack seems like a better value with the 3 VR intel boffs and the doffs. I keep waiting for Cryptic to add more to the pack like the rest of the TOS costumes and level-up versions of the retro phaser pistol and rifle.

    I own the Delta Pack but have not decided yet whether or not to buy the AoY pack.
  • storules
    storules Member Posts: 3,221 Arc User
    bmcd73 wrote: »
    I own every single pack released and almost every single bundle to date. I love having a bunch of different options and also love the console synergy stuff when you buy bundles. But I am confused by this pack. It seems like a lot of $$ with as much value as previous packs. Are you required to use special ships in this next expansion or can you use your existing ships? If you are forced to use new ships, I guess this makes sense but if not, I have a ton of T1-T5 ships that I can use already. There are a number of T6 ships which are cross faction and I wouldn't mind owning a few of them but the rest of the pack is just meh... The uniforms I either own already or are meh. The qualification tokens are meh. The upgrade kits are meh. The titles are super stupid and not worth a penny in my opinion. Where are the special BOs? Where are the special DOffs? The other packs seem to be a better value. It makes me wonder if I am missing something.

    It should have been broken down among "old" stuff vs temporal ships. I could care less for the older ships since I already own them but the temporal ones are cool and sexy. Why force us to buy stuff we don't need?​​
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  • goodscotch
    goodscotch Member Posts: 1,680 Arc User
    OP...I want to thank you for your post. I am wondering the same thing. We will know soon enough I suppose.
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  • feiqa
    feiqa Member Posts: 2,410 Arc User
    storules wrote: »
    bmcd73 wrote: »
    I own every single pack released and almost every single bundle to date. I love having a bunch of different options and also love the console synergy stuff when you buy bundles. But I am confused by this pack. It seems like a lot of $$ with as much value as previous packs. Are you required to use special ships in this next expansion or can you use your existing ships? If you are forced to use new ships, I guess this makes sense but if not, I have a ton of T1-T5 ships that I can use already. There are a number of T6 ships which are cross faction and I wouldn't mind owning a few of them but the rest of the pack is just meh... The uniforms I either own already or are meh. The qualification tokens are meh. The upgrade kits are meh. The titles are super stupid and not worth a penny in my opinion. Where are the special BOs? Where are the special DOffs? The other packs seem to be a better value. It makes me wonder if I am missing something.

    It should have been broken down among "old" stuff vs temporal ships. I could care less for the older ships since I already own them but the temporal ones are cool and sexy. Why force us to buy stuff we don't need?​​

    Other than the connie how do you own the older ships?
    As far as the newer ones you can usually buy them separately once the expansion launches.

    Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
    Network engineers are not ship designers.
    Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
  • cavewark
    cavewark Member Posts: 131 Arc User
    i would have prefered the TOS ships to have a t5+ (t6) duplicate that you could interchange the tos parts as they are only interchangable with those really aweful looking time ships (sorry designer but they are really really bad) it doesnt endear me to getting them i got a range of t1-t6 ships already and none of them have said woop i want to me :(
  • bmcd73
    bmcd73 Member Posts: 257 Arc User
    I saw someone post that this pack is more about playing the new story using "canon" ships. That may be the purpose, I don't know. What I do know is that I'm usually excited to buy the pack but something with this pack just doesn't feel like a good value to me and I will most likely not be buying it. Maybe it's because I spend so much time at the top level that spending any money on low level ships that I will be using for and hour or two seems like a waste of money.
  • feiqa
    feiqa Member Posts: 2,410 Arc User
    bmcd73 wrote: »
    I saw someone post that this pack is more about playing the new story using "canon" ships. That may be the purpose, I don't know. What I do know is that I'm usually excited to buy the pack but something with this pack just doesn't feel like a good value to me and I will most likely not be buying it. Maybe it's because I spend so much time at the top level that spending any money on low level ships that I will be using for and hour or two seems like a waste of money.

    This is something that startles me. When I first began playing tier 1 took a few days for me to do. Then more days at tier 2. Now I can burn through a tier in a day or less. Is it we got better at the game or did they alter the leveling mechanics so you burn through the levels to reach 50/60 in a hurry?

    Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
    Network engineers are not ship designers.
    Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
  • davefenestrator
    davefenestrator Member Posts: 9,790 Arc User
    feiqa wrote: »
    bmcd73 wrote: »
    I saw someone post that this pack is more about playing the new story using "canon" ships. That may be the purpose, I don't know. What I do know is that I'm usually excited to buy the pack but something with this pack just doesn't feel like a good value to me and I will most likely not be buying it. Maybe it's because I spend so much time at the top level that spending any money on low level ships that I will be using for and hour or two seems like a waste of money.

    This is something that startles me. When I first began playing tier 1 took a few days for me to do. Then more days at tier 2. Now I can burn through a tier in a day or less. Is it we got better at the game or did they alter the leveling mechanics so you burn through the levels to reach 50/60 in a hurry?

    Part of it is experience: You know how to do all the basic stuff now without stopping to think about it or reading prompts: talking to NPCs, changing maps, equipping ships, ground and space combat, getting promotions, etc.. You're probably also skimming some NPC text that you read carefully when you first started.
  • echatty
    echatty Member Posts: 5,718 Arc User
    That sounds like me ^^
    Now a LTS and loving it.

    Just because you spend money on this game, it does not entitle you to be a jerk if things don't go your way.

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  • jonsills
    jonsills Member Posts: 9,726 Arc User
    If what you're after is more powah!!, then this isn't really the pack for you. I'm going to buy it because I think the ships look really cool, and I like the part where the T5 and lower TOS-style ship skins can be used on their T6 29th-century upgrades (assuming that functionality isn't removed - and I really hope it isn't, because I'm quite looking forward to having a T6 Ranger-class battlecruiser!).​​
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  • feiqa
    feiqa Member Posts: 2,410 Arc User
    jonsills wrote: »
    If what you're after is more powah!!, then this isn't really the pack for you. I'm going to buy it because I think the ships look really cool, and I like the part where the T5 and lower TOS-style ship skins can be used on their T6 29th-century upgrades (assuming that functionality isn't removed - and I really hope it isn't, because I'm quite looking forward to having a T6 Ranger-class battlecruiser!).​​

    Is it wrong that I would like to use the Pioneer skin at T6? Playing around on Tribble made me really like that design.

    Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
    Network engineers are not ship designers.
    Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
  • annemarie30
    annemarie30 Member Posts: 2,232 Arc User
    What T6 ship is the ranger shin compatible with?
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  • nikephorus
    nikephorus Member Posts: 2,737 Arc User
    I've never purchased a pack before, but I did consider getting this one. I eventually just decided that it would be better to just purchase the Ranger via dilithium to zen for the new character near end game. A lot of the ships are for lower level characters and there's really no point when you're not going to be spending more then an hour or two using them.
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  • wufangchu
    wufangchu Member Posts: 778 Arc User
    I confess, i got it.. I got tired of being boring top tier; real tired.. when you can one shot practically anything wheres the challenge?? And ive run the beginning missions on so many characters i got sick of em.. This new expansion will be welcome as a change, although i am a little concerned with cryptics ongoing obsession with science vessels.. I mean really cryptic. This is not "Things to Come" and we are not "Wings over the World". Science doesnt save mankind and John Cabal does not die a happy old man in his new sparkly underground city of wonder.. Perhaps the orangutans are afraid the gorilla's will take over..
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  • rangerryu
    rangerryu Member Posts: 284 Arc User
    What T6 ship is the ranger shin compatible with?

    the T6 Temporal Battlecruiser Paladin Class
  • echatty
    echatty Member Posts: 5,718 Arc User
    Wufangchu, STO is not all about one career over another. It takes all three in one capacity or other. Science is just as valid as Tac, as Eng.

    I'm glad there are more sci ships out there to choose from.
    Now a LTS and loving it.

    Just because you spend money on this game, it does not entitle you to be a jerk if things don't go your way.

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  • storules
    storules Member Posts: 3,221 Arc User
    feiqa wrote: »
    storules wrote: »
    bmcd73 wrote: »
    I own every single pack released and almost every single bundle to date. I love having a bunch of different options and also love the console synergy stuff when you buy bundles. But I am confused by this pack. It seems like a lot of $$ with as much value as previous packs. Are you required to use special ships in this next expansion or can you use your existing ships? If you are forced to use new ships, I guess this makes sense but if not, I have a ton of T1-T5 ships that I can use already. There are a number of T6 ships which are cross faction and I wouldn't mind owning a few of them but the rest of the pack is just meh... The uniforms I either own already or are meh. The qualification tokens are meh. The upgrade kits are meh. The titles are super stupid and not worth a penny in my opinion. Where are the special BOs? Where are the special DOffs? The other packs seem to be a better value. It makes me wonder if I am missing something.

    It should have been broken down among "old" stuff vs temporal ships. I could care less for the older ships since I already own them but the temporal ones are cool and sexy. Why force us to buy stuff we don't need?

    Other than the connie how do you own the older ships?
    As far as the newer ones you can usually buy them separately once the expansion launches.

    Except for the wording "temporal" and the consoles...my point being that is exactly the same as those already in the C store...just talking about "looks":

    T1 USS Enterprise...Adds nothing to the pack. I already own it and gotten lots of freebies of this model

    T2 Temporal Science Vessel Daedalus Class...Except for the wording "temporal" and consoles it "looks" exactly the same as Oberth Class Light Science Vessel

    T3 Temporal Escort Perseus Class...Same as above and nothing to write home about. Exactly like a T1 Constitution Class Cruiser

    T4 Temporal Cruiser Gemini Class. This one it's a bit different and perhaps at most passing in terms of design.

    T5 Temporal Battlecruiser Ranger Class. Exactly like another T1 Constitution Class Cruiser. Not much of a change.

    Thats about 5 wasted designs or ships IMO. Why waste money in what is being re-sold?
    What follows with the rest of the 7 T6 ships is cool but worth to add in a pack? I know we can just buy those 7 ships individually but what gives? IMO just a waste of space and money.​​
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  • willamsheridan
    willamsheridan Member Posts: 1,186 Arc User
    I am wondering about the Chronos Temporal Dreadnought. Will it be included in the Bundle for everyone? Because if i go to the english website its listed as part of the bundle but on the German site it doesn't show up .I bought the bundle from the english STO website just to be sure.
  • nikeix
    nikeix Member Posts: 3,972 Arc User
    For those missing the point - those consoles on the T2-T5 ships are portable to anything else in your arsenal. Expect them to be at the very upper edge of effectiveness for a single slot, possibly even a set bonus for having 2-4 of them equipped. There's definitely something there for any FED captain to consider even if you never take the ship out of dock.
  • stostargatewars
    stostargatewars Member Posts: 177 Arc User
    I am wondering about the Chronos Temporal Dreadnought. Will it be included in the Bundle for everyone? Because if i go to the english website its listed as part of the bundle but on the German site it doesn't show up .I bought the bundle from the english STO website just to be sure.

    All items in the English Version of the website is want is in the pack, the german website is update by the PWE EU division.
  • stostargatewars
    stostargatewars Member Posts: 177 Arc User
    nikeix wrote: »
    For those missing the point - those consoles on the T2-T5 ships are portable to anything else in your arsenal. Expect them to be at the very upper edge of effectiveness for a single slot, possibly even a set bonus for having 2-4 of them equipped. There's definitely something there for any FED captain to consider even if you never take the ship out of dock.

    Only T2-T4 are useable on any ship, the T5 console is locked to its self.
    the T2-T5 console will be most likely 2pc set with their T6 versions as usual.
  • nikeix
    nikeix Member Posts: 3,972 Arc User
    Only T2-T4 are useable on any ship, the T5 console is locked to its self.
    The T2-T5 console will be most likely 2pc set with their T6 versions as usual.

    Good eye. That would probably be a more elegant arrangement. Either way, they're going to be designed to sell to more than just the most dedicated collector/completionists. There' be some game mechanics muscle on offer.

  • jonsills
    jonsills Member Posts: 9,726 Arc User
    storules wrote: »
    feiqa wrote: »
    storules wrote: »
    bmcd73 wrote: »
    I own every single pack released and almost every single bundle to date. I love having a bunch of different options and also love the console synergy stuff when you buy bundles. But I am confused by this pack. It seems like a lot of $$ with as much value as previous packs. Are you required to use special ships in this next expansion or can you use your existing ships? If you are forced to use new ships, I guess this makes sense but if not, I have a ton of T1-T5 ships that I can use already. There are a number of T6 ships which are cross faction and I wouldn't mind owning a few of them but the rest of the pack is just meh... The uniforms I either own already or are meh. The qualification tokens are meh. The upgrade kits are meh. The titles are super stupid and not worth a penny in my opinion. Where are the special BOs? Where are the special DOffs? The other packs seem to be a better value. It makes me wonder if I am missing something.

    It should have been broken down among "old" stuff vs temporal ships. I could care less for the older ships since I already own them but the temporal ones are cool and sexy. Why force us to buy stuff we don't need?

    Other than the connie how do you own the older ships?
    As far as the newer ones you can usually buy them separately once the expansion launches.

    Except for the wording "temporal" and the consoles...my point being that is exactly the same as those already in the C store...just talking about "looks":

    T1 USS Enterprise...Adds nothing to the pack. I already own it and gotten lots of freebies of this model

    T2 Temporal Science Vessel Daedalus Class...Except for the wording "temporal" and consoles it "looks" exactly the same as Oberth Class Light Science Vessel

    T3 Temporal Escort Perseus Class...Same as above and nothing to write home about. Exactly like a T1 Constitution Class Cruiser

    T4 Temporal Cruiser Gemini Class. This one it's a bit different and perhaps at most passing in terms of design.

    T5 Temporal Battlecruiser Ranger Class. Exactly like another T1 Constitution Class Cruiser. Not much of a change.

    Thats about 5 wasted designs or ships IMO. Why waste money in what is being re-sold?
    What follows with the rest of the 7 T6 ships is cool but worth to add in a pack? I know we can just buy those 7 ships individually but what gives? IMO just a waste of space and money.
    All this "exactly the same" - when precisely did you last have an eye exam?

    As I said, if you're after more dakka, this isn't the pack for you - other than consoles, it's entirely about the look. And the look of a Perseus-class escort is nothing like the look of a Constitution-class cruiser. (Of course, neither are the stats, the BOff layout, or the weapons arrangement - one is a T1 Cruiser and the other is a T3 Escort, after all.) Same for the T5 Ranger-class; even a Tiberian bat could see the difference between the two ships.

    And in what bizarro universe does an Oberth have a spherical primary hull, a cylindrical secondary hull, and nacelles mounted on pylons that stretch away from the main body?

    Now, if you want to dismiss this pack because it doesn't bring anything new (aside, again, from those consoles) to the table, well, hard to argue with that. No special BOffs or DOffs, no unique Tribbles, not even so much as a ship's weapon that's unavailable to the hoi polloi. It's entirely a matter of what the ships (and alternate costumes) look like. And if that's not enough to make you part with $130, then by all means, don't buy it. I'm not here to sell you on it, which is well, because I'm a lousy salesman in the first place. But the ships are certainly not all "identical" to the T1 cruiser.​​
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  • wufangchu
    wufangchu Member Posts: 778 Arc User
    echatty wrote: »
    Wufangchu, STO is not all about one career over another. It takes all three in one capacity or other. Science is just as valid as Tac, as Eng.

    I'm glad there are more sci ships out there to choose from.

    Since Solonae there been practically nothing BUT sci ships.. Wheres the eng ships?? Wheres the tac ships?? This entire addon and the temopral agent specialization are dedicated science.. I run tac characters.. How about some tactical temporal ships??

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  • nikeix
    nikeix Member Posts: 3,972 Arc User
    The flagship collection was pretty definitely not science. The same could be said of the Pilot ships.
  • rangerryu
    rangerryu Member Posts: 284 Arc User
    wufangchu wrote: »
    echatty wrote: »
    Wufangchu, STO is not all about one career over another. It takes all three in one capacity or other. Science is just as valid as Tac, as Eng.

    I'm glad there are more sci ships out there to choose from.

    Since Solonae there been practically nothing BUT sci ships.. Wheres the eng ships?? Wheres the tac ships?? This entire addon and the temopral agent specialization are dedicated science.. I run tac characters.. How about some tactical temporal ships??

    There are Temporal Battlecruisers,Temporal Escorts and a Temporal Raider in this pack,

  • farmallm
    farmallm Member Posts: 4,630 Arc User
    edited June 2016
    From what I see and read from others testing the game. You don't need to buy the pack to play it. Just like the ones in the past when new content came out.

    From what I see, the pack isn't worth buying. This is why I hadn't yet bought one. Since AOY is nothing more than a Delta Recruit theme. I will put my TOS capt in the T1 Connie, and move up that way. I will stop playing after Lv10 or so as that is when you start the usual story lines all over again. And keep them there until I find time to play with them. This way I can see that part of their story. As of now I'm not sure what ship they will end up with. I'm leaning toward the Excelsior. But that is a long ways off. As I'm still working on my other characters. Currently I'm more working on my KDF to get his Iconian and Future Proof Arcs done. Romulan needs to do them as well. And I'm getting Dil from mining for my 2 lower level alts. To get their gear upgraded. One of them is my Delta Recruit.
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  • qziqza
    qziqza Member Posts: 1,044 Arc User
    jonsills wrote: »
    If what you're after is more powah!!, then this isn't really the pack for you. I'm going to buy it because I think the ships look really cool, and I like the part where the T5 and lower TOS-style ship skins can be used on their T6 29th-century upgrades (assuming that functionality isn't removed - and I really hope it isn't, because I'm quite looking forward to having a T6 Ranger-class battlecruiser!).

    this is something that worries me about the pack, im pretty sure i remember the list of ships having that in the description (owning the lower tier version would let you use its skin on the t6 counterpart) no longer says that. or was it just my imagination that it was there at all?​​
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