the better and more fair way would've been to toss the kdf and romulans at least ONE ship each in the pack, instead of zippo...
Meh, the rumors I've heard is that there will be 3 ships usable by Rom/KDF.... exclusive? no. but usable.
The third cross-faction ship info has been released on the Temporal Pack.
T6 Temporal Dreadnought Cruiser Chronos Class
Designed to face the greatest threats of the temporal battlefield, the massive Chronos-class Dreadnought is truly a force to be reckoned with. When the Temporal Cold War goes hot, Starfleet calls for the power of the Chronos. This ship is available to all factions.
Whether there is anymore Temporal Cross-faction ships remains to be seen, but there are only 3 Intel Klingon ships and 3 Intel Romulan ships. 2 each from the Delta Operations Pack, the Kurak Class Battlecruiser, and the Morrigu Heavy Warbird.
try again the is one intel ship for kdf and one for roms. the rest have intel seating but aren't intel ships. full intel ships get alot more.
and I'm betting that there will be no kdf or room temporal ships because they did the cross faction ships... or at least thats the excuse they will use.
If it has 1 Intel seat, then it is an Intel ship. Considering that there is only 3 ships with just Intel slots for the Romulans and KDF compared to a total of 17 Tier 6 ships for both the Romulans and KDF, then it is easier to call any ship with 1 Intel seat and no other Specialization seats an Intel ship. It doesn't matter if only 1 ship has an interesting gimmick that has no relation to what Bridge Officer abilities you have.
As far as no more Temporal ships for the Romulans and KDF, then there is the Kurak, Morrigu, and Pathfinder. Cryptic has to release its C-Store pack of 3 or more ships that are almost the same ship except a different look and slightly different stats due to it being a Starfleet, KDF, or Romulan ship.
"We’re very excited to announce the brand new Intel starships that will launch with Delta Rising. These new ships are sleek, agile, and deadly, and they feature a brand new mechanic not found on any other starship. Intel starships are available to captains that are level 50 or greater.
These all new starships are based upon an existing ship category (i.e.: Cruiser, Escort, Science Vessel, Warbird, etc.) and then heavily modified to make them more stealthy and agile. While all Intel ships are fairly unique, they all have the following in common:
Faster and more agile than non-intel ships of the same category
Less hull strength (HP) than non-intel ships of the same category
Cloaking Device
Starfleet Intel ships have a standard Cloak
Klingon Intel ships have Battle Cloak
Romulan Intel ships have Enhanced Romulan Battle Cloak
Can equip Dual Cannons
All Intel ships are Tier 6, so include standard features for this tier
Scaling HP
Starship Mastery passive abilities
Starship Trait
Have a Commander hybrid Intelligence bridge officer seat
Have at least one other lower rank hybrid Intelligence bridge officer seat
Have the Gather Intelligence mechanic"
from cryptic's own blog please try again. note the part with both a commander intel and lower ranked one.
So how can Klingon Intel ships and Romulan Intel ships have just one ship when it specifically states that there will be multiple Intel ships? If a ship only has Command seats for Specialization seats, then it is a Command ship. If a ship only has Pilot seats for Specialization seats, then it is a Pilot ship. Calling those ships as Intel ships is the easiest way to distinguish them from the other Tier 6 ships.
Quasi-Intel ships might be better name to call them, but being able to use Intel Bridge Officer abilities is far more important in distinguishing it as an Intel ship than the Gather Intelligence mechanic. The only real difference between the Starfleet Intel ships and the Romulan and KDF Quasi-Intel ships is the Gather Intelligence mechanic. So "Intel" ships don't get a lot more than non-Starfleet Quasi-Intel ships.
> @duncanidaho11 said: We think of faction in terms of FED/KDF/ROM, which includes two concepts: faction and mini-faction. Throw faction out there to the internet (such as through marketing) and the idea you'll likely invoke is the split between Alliance/Horde. Our "mini-faction" would fall somewhere else, but calling TOS characters a specialty race, for example, wouldn't gel with the STO community (because we've been throwing the word "faction" around, as it relates to backstory politics versus mass market MMO game mechanics.) > > So, it's a problem. Different conventions for different communities. Devs think one way, marketing another. That's all (no radical reinterpretations of upcoming content necessary.)
The problem with your logic is that GECKO was the one that made the comparison to Romulans. HE made that comparison, not us. So unless you think he is some kind of psycho that would make a comparison that doesn't apply, then HE is the one that created the expectations that the TOS faction is like the factions we are familiar with when HE said it was AT LEAST as much of a faction as the Romulans.
Let's not forget that Cryptic has a history of releasing additional ships after the expansions have launched. There will most likely be a 3 pack of temporal ships for each faction (that can also be bought separately) on the C-store a month or so after release.
They always spread the purchases around.
I also wouldn't be at all surprised to see the TOS era Klingon and Romulan ships (there are at least 1 new ship there, and there's also the D7 Romulan variant to consider) hitting the C-store in the near future as well.
sadly as to date they have never released a full spec after the first group. assuming they release a d-7, and I'm hoping for one, I'm betting it'll be like the pathfinder just enough to give you a taste of what the spec ships can do but not a full spec ship.
The tier 6 command ships bundle, with 3 ships for each faction came out a few months after the Delta Rising expansion did. A few months after that the pilot ship bundle was released.
Delta Rising: Released Oct 2014
Command Bundle: Release Feb 2015
Pilot Bundle: Released May 2015
the better and more fair way would've been to toss the kdf and romulans at least ONE ship each in the pack, instead of zippo...
Meh, the rumors I've heard is that there will be 3 ships usable by Rom/KDF.... exclusive? no. but usable.
The third cross-faction ship info has been released on the Temporal Pack.
T6 Temporal Dreadnought Cruiser Chronos Class
Designed to face the greatest threats of the temporal battlefield, the massive Chronos-class Dreadnought is truly a force to be reckoned with. When the Temporal Cold War goes hot, Starfleet calls for the power of the Chronos. This ship is available to all factions.
Whether there is anymore Temporal Cross-faction ships remains to be seen, but there are only 3 Intel Klingon ships and 3 Intel Romulan ships. 2 each from the Delta Operations Pack, the Kurak Class Battlecruiser, and the Morrigu Heavy Warbird.
try again the is one intel ship for kdf and one for roms. the rest have intel seating but aren't intel ships. full intel ships get alot more.
and I'm betting that there will be no kdf or room temporal ships because they did the cross faction ships... or at least thats the excuse they will use.
If it has 1 Intel seat, then it is an Intel ship. Considering that there is only 3 ships with just Intel slots for the Romulans and KDF compared to a total of 17 Tier 6 ships for both the Romulans and KDF, then it is easier to call any ship with 1 Intel seat and no other Specialization seats an Intel ship. It doesn't matter if only 1 ship has an interesting gimmick that has no relation to what Bridge Officer abilities you have.
As far as no more Temporal ships for the Romulans and KDF, then there is the Kurak, Morrigu, and Pathfinder. Cryptic has to release its C-Store pack of 3 or more ships that are almost the same ship except a different look and slightly different stats due to it being a Starfleet, KDF, or Romulan ship.
"We’re very excited to announce the brand new Intel starships that will launch with Delta Rising. These new ships are sleek, agile, and deadly, and they feature a brand new mechanic not found on any other starship. Intel starships are available to captains that are level 50 or greater.
These all new starships are based upon an existing ship category (i.e.: Cruiser, Escort, Science Vessel, Warbird, etc.) and then heavily modified to make them more stealthy and agile. While all Intel ships are fairly unique, they all have the following in common:
Faster and more agile than non-intel ships of the same category
Less hull strength (HP) than non-intel ships of the same category
Cloaking Device
Starfleet Intel ships have a standard Cloak
Klingon Intel ships have Battle Cloak
Romulan Intel ships have Enhanced Romulan Battle Cloak
Can equip Dual Cannons
All Intel ships are Tier 6, so include standard features for this tier
Scaling HP
Starship Mastery passive abilities
Starship Trait
Have a Commander hybrid Intelligence bridge officer seat
Have at least one other lower rank hybrid Intelligence bridge officer seat
Have the Gather Intelligence mechanic"
from cryptic's own blog please try again. note the part with both a commander intel and lower ranked one.
So how can Klingon Intel ships and Romulan Intel ships have just one ship when it specifically states that there will be multiple Intel ships? If a ship only has Command seats for Specialization seats, then it is a Command ship. If a ship only has Pilot seats for Specialization seats, then it is a Pilot ship. Calling those ships as Intel ships is the easiest way to distinguish them from the other Tier 6 ships.
Quasi-Intel ships might be better name to call them, but being able to use Intel Bridge Officer abilities is far more important in distinguishing it as an Intel ship than the Gather Intelligence mechanic. The only real difference between the Starfleet Intel ships and the Romulan and KDF Quasi-Intel ships is the Gather Intelligence mechanic. So "Intel" ships don't get a lot more than non-Starfleet Quasi-Intel ships.
I'm not debating this, there isn't one to be had, what counts as a intel ship is defined by that list. on the kdf and rom sides, only the qib and faeht do. they are also the only ones that are call intel ships in the name and every intel ships are called (name) intel (ship type).
Let's not forget that Cryptic has a history of releasing additional ships after the expansions have launched. There will most likely be a 3 pack of temporal ships for each faction (that can also be bought separately) on the C-store a month or so after release.
They always spread the purchases around.
I also wouldn't be at all surprised to see the TOS era Klingon and Romulan ships (there are at least 1 new ship there, and there's also the D7 Romulan variant to consider) hitting the C-store in the near future as well.
sadly as to date they have never released a full spec after the first group. assuming they release a d-7, and I'm hoping for one, I'm betting it'll be like the pathfinder just enough to give you a taste of what the spec ships can do but not a full spec ship.
The tier 6 command ships bundle, with 3 ships for each faction came out a few months after the Delta Rising expansion did. A few months after that the pilot ship bundle was released.
Delta Rising: Released Oct 2014
Command Bundle: Release Feb 2015
Pilot Bundle: Released May 2015
Or am I misreading what your saying?
completely.
when I say after the first group I mean for that spec. kinda makes no sense otherwise.
but after the delta rising pack there, as of this writing, have been no new full intel ships. same after command for command, and pilot for pilot.
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
Wait a minute, 'at least as much as we had for the Romulans'. Does that mean TOS gets about twenty Missions and then are neglected for ever more?
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l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Let's not forget that Cryptic has a history of releasing additional ships after the expansions have launched. There will most likely be a 3 pack of temporal ships for each faction (that can also be bought separately) on the C-store a month or so after release.
They always spread the purchases around.
I also wouldn't be at all surprised to see the TOS era Klingon and Romulan ships (there are at least 1 new ship there, and there's also the D7 Romulan variant to consider) hitting the C-store in the near future as well.
sadly as to date they have never released a full spec after the first group. assuming they release a d-7, and I'm hoping for one, I'm betting it'll be like the pathfinder just enough to give you a taste of what the spec ships can do but not a full spec ship.
The tier 6 command ships bundle, with 3 ships for each faction came out a few months after the Delta Rising expansion did. A few months after that the pilot ship bundle was released.
Delta Rising: Released Oct 2014
Command Bundle: Release Feb 2015
Pilot Bundle: Released May 2015
Or am I misreading what your saying?
completely.
when I say after the first group I mean for that spec. kinda makes no sense otherwise.
but after the delta rising pack there, as of this writing, have been no new full intel ships. same after command for command, and pilot for pilot.
Ah, I get what you're saying now.
But I still think there's a greater than average chance that they'll release faction specific temporal ships, since temporal stuff is what's largely on the menu for content for the foreseeable future, and we're not seeing them in the AoY pack, when every other spec pack in the past has had them, they may actually double dip on this one.
But there's a pretty good chance that they haven't released all the info for what's in that pack yet anyway. So we'll have to wait and see what the final pack looks like I guess.
Let's not forget that Cryptic has a history of releasing additional ships after the expansions have launched. There will most likely be a 3 pack of temporal ships for each faction (that can also be bought separately) on the C-store a month or so after release.
They always spread the purchases around.
I also wouldn't be at all surprised to see the TOS era Klingon and Romulan ships (there are at least 1 new ship there, and there's also the D7 Romulan variant to consider) hitting the C-store in the near future as well.
sadly as to date they have never released a full spec after the first group. assuming they release a d-7, and I'm hoping for one, I'm betting it'll be like the pathfinder just enough to give you a taste of what the spec ships can do but not a full spec ship.
The tier 6 command ships bundle, with 3 ships for each faction came out a few months after the Delta Rising expansion did. A few months after that the pilot ship bundle was released.
Delta Rising: Released Oct 2014
Command Bundle: Release Feb 2015
Pilot Bundle: Released May 2015
Or am I misreading what your saying?
completely.
when I say after the first group I mean for that spec. kinda makes no sense otherwise.
but after the delta rising pack there, as of this writing, have been no new full intel ships. same after command for command, and pilot for pilot.
Ah, I get what you're saying now.
But I still think there's a greater than average chance that they'll release faction specific temporal ships, since temporal stuff is what's largely on the menu for content for the foreseeable future, and we're not seeing them in the AoY pack, when every other spec pack in the past has had them, they may actually double dip on this one.
But there's a pretty good chance that they haven't released all the info for what's in that pack yet anyway. So we'll have to wait and see what the final pack looks like I guess.
you right about that but I had the same thought about delta so I little doubtful on the subject, but I've been wrong before, lets both hope I'm wrong this time.
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
Man, some people really don't seem to understand what the words "at least" mean. "At least" means "nothing less than"...something else. Gecko specifically said the TOS faction is "at least" as much of a faction as Romulans. That means nothing less than the Romulans. Maybe he was lying, maybe he didn't know what he was talking about. But don't get mad at the people who point out what he actually said.
You heard it here first*! @sfdstuff#3558 wants the TOS toons to be Romulans since he wants to hold Geko to his word of having NOTHING LESS than the Romulans.
Don't be a gurk.
*2nd, if you read the other thread first.
"Logic is a little tweeting bird chirping in a meadow. Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers which smell BAD." - Spock
Man, some people really don't seem to understand what the words AT LEAST mean. AT LEAST means NOTHING LESS THAN. Gecko specifically said the TOS faction is AT LEAST as much of a faction as Romulans. That means NOTHING LESS than the Romulans. Maybe he was lying, maybe he didn't know what he was talking about. But don't get mad at the people who point out what he ACTUALLY said.
Who's getting mad at whom? I'm not mad any anyone. Least of all Geko.
But, as I said before, I think people are expecting too much from the informal interaction with the playerbase that these interviews are meant to be. The blogs and forum posts are where the real information comes out anyways. Nothing is official a blog is posted.
the better and more fair way would've been to toss the kdf and romulans at least ONE ship each in the pack, instead of zippo...
Meh, the rumors I've heard is that there will be 3 ships usable by Rom/KDF.... exclusive? no. but usable.
The third cross-faction ship info has been released on the Temporal Pack.
T6 Temporal Dreadnought Cruiser Chronos Class
Designed to face the greatest threats of the temporal battlefield, the massive Chronos-class Dreadnought is truly a force to be reckoned with. When the Temporal Cold War goes hot, Starfleet calls for the power of the Chronos. This ship is available to all factions.
Whether there is anymore Temporal Cross-faction ships remains to be seen, but there are only 3 Intel Klingon ships and 3 Intel Romulan ships. 2 each from the Delta Operations Pack, the Kurak Class Battlecruiser, and the Morrigu Heavy Warbird.
try again the is one intel ship for kdf and one for roms. the rest have intel seating but aren't intel ships. full intel ships get alot more.
and I'm betting that there will be no kdf or room temporal ships because they did the cross faction ships... or at least thats the excuse they will use.
If it has 1 Intel seat, then it is an Intel ship. Considering that there is only 3 ships with just Intel slots for the Romulans and KDF compared to a total of 17 Tier 6 ships for both the Romulans and KDF, then it is easier to call any ship with 1 Intel seat and no other Specialization seats an Intel ship. It doesn't matter if only 1 ship has an interesting gimmick that has no relation to what Bridge Officer abilities you have.
As far as no more Temporal ships for the Romulans and KDF, then there is the Kurak, Morrigu, and Pathfinder. Cryptic has to release its C-Store pack of 3 or more ships that are almost the same ship except a different look and slightly different stats due to it being a Starfleet, KDF, or Romulan ship.
"We’re very excited to announce the brand new Intel starships that will launch with Delta Rising. These new ships are sleek, agile, and deadly, and they feature a brand new mechanic not found on any other starship. Intel starships are available to captains that are level 50 or greater.
These all new starships are based upon an existing ship category (i.e.: Cruiser, Escort, Science Vessel, Warbird, etc.) and then heavily modified to make them more stealthy and agile. While all Intel ships are fairly unique, they all have the following in common:
Faster and more agile than non-intel ships of the same category
Less hull strength (HP) than non-intel ships of the same category
Cloaking Device
Starfleet Intel ships have a standard Cloak
Klingon Intel ships have Battle Cloak
Romulan Intel ships have Enhanced Romulan Battle Cloak
Can equip Dual Cannons
All Intel ships are Tier 6, so include standard features for this tier
Scaling HP
Starship Mastery passive abilities
Starship Trait
Have a Commander hybrid Intelligence bridge officer seat
Have at least one other lower rank hybrid Intelligence bridge officer seat
Have the Gather Intelligence mechanic"
from cryptic's own blog please try again. note the part with both a commander intel and lower ranked one.
So how can Klingon Intel ships and Romulan Intel ships have just one ship when it specifically states that there will be multiple Intel ships? If a ship only has Command seats for Specialization seats, then it is a Command ship. If a ship only has Pilot seats for Specialization seats, then it is a Pilot ship. Calling those ships as Intel ships is the easiest way to distinguish them from the other Tier 6 ships.
Quasi-Intel ships might be better name to call them, but being able to use Intel Bridge Officer abilities is far more important in distinguishing it as an Intel ship than the Gather Intelligence mechanic. The only real difference between the Starfleet Intel ships and the Romulan and KDF Quasi-Intel ships is the Gather Intelligence mechanic. So "Intel" ships don't get a lot more than non-Starfleet Quasi-Intel ships.
I'm not debating this, there isn't one to be had, what counts as a intel ship is defined by that list. on the kdf and rom sides, only the qib and faeht do. they are also the only ones that are call intel ships in the name and every intel ships are called (name) intel (ship type).
I am not sure why you are making such a big deal out of this. The whole point of my original post was to indicate the amount of KDF ships and Romulan ships that have an Intelligence seat and comparing that to the amount of Cross-faction ships that will have a Temporal seat. Calling them Intel ships is a good term for them since they use the Intelligence Bridge Officer abilities and they are just as good as the Starfleet Intel ships for sneakiness and intelligence gathering.
The Romulan and the majority of KDF ships are known for their sneakiness and intelligence gathering. After all, it is the Romulan's main trait in the TV series and Klingons have to know the right time to hunt their prey. So how can a Starfleet Intel ship compare to Romulan or KDF ships in stealth and ambushing? Most of their ships might not have the Gather Intel mechanic, but almost all Klingon Raiders (12 ships) and all, but two Romulan ships (Romulan version of Temporal Lockbox ships) have far better stealth capabilities than the Starfleet Intel ships. Personally, it seems redundant to call any Romulan and Klingon ships as an Intel ship since that is what most of them are capable of. Track down any enemy while cloaked to keep track of enemy movements and strike when necessary.
the better and more fair way would've been to toss the kdf and romulans at least ONE ship each in the pack, instead of zippo...
Meh, the rumors I've heard is that there will be 3 ships usable by Rom/KDF.... exclusive? no. but usable.
The third cross-faction ship info has been released on the Temporal Pack.
T6 Temporal Dreadnought Cruiser Chronos Class
Designed to face the greatest threats of the temporal battlefield, the massive Chronos-class Dreadnought is truly a force to be reckoned with. When the Temporal Cold War goes hot, Starfleet calls for the power of the Chronos. This ship is available to all factions.
Whether there is anymore Temporal Cross-faction ships remains to be seen, but there are only 3 Intel Klingon ships and 3 Intel Romulan ships. 2 each from the Delta Operations Pack, the Kurak Class Battlecruiser, and the Morrigu Heavy Warbird.
try again the is one intel ship for kdf and one for roms. the rest have intel seating but aren't intel ships. full intel ships get alot more.
and I'm betting that there will be no kdf or room temporal ships because they did the cross faction ships... or at least thats the excuse they will use.
If it has 1 Intel seat, then it is an Intel ship. Considering that there is only 3 ships with just Intel slots for the Romulans and KDF compared to a total of 17 Tier 6 ships for both the Romulans and KDF, then it is easier to call any ship with 1 Intel seat and no other Specialization seats an Intel ship. It doesn't matter if only 1 ship has an interesting gimmick that has no relation to what Bridge Officer abilities you have.
As far as no more Temporal ships for the Romulans and KDF, then there is the Kurak, Morrigu, and Pathfinder. Cryptic has to release its C-Store pack of 3 or more ships that are almost the same ship except a different look and slightly different stats due to it being a Starfleet, KDF, or Romulan ship.
"We’re very excited to announce the brand new Intel starships that will launch with Delta Rising. These new ships are sleek, agile, and deadly, and they feature a brand new mechanic not found on any other starship. Intel starships are available to captains that are level 50 or greater.
These all new starships are based upon an existing ship category (i.e.: Cruiser, Escort, Science Vessel, Warbird, etc.) and then heavily modified to make them more stealthy and agile. While all Intel ships are fairly unique, they all have the following in common:
Faster and more agile than non-intel ships of the same category
Less hull strength (HP) than non-intel ships of the same category
Cloaking Device
Starfleet Intel ships have a standard Cloak
Klingon Intel ships have Battle Cloak
Romulan Intel ships have Enhanced Romulan Battle Cloak
Can equip Dual Cannons
All Intel ships are Tier 6, so include standard features for this tier
Scaling HP
Starship Mastery passive abilities
Starship Trait
Have a Commander hybrid Intelligence bridge officer seat
Have at least one other lower rank hybrid Intelligence bridge officer seat
Have the Gather Intelligence mechanic"
from cryptic's own blog please try again. note the part with both a commander intel and lower ranked one.
So how can Klingon Intel ships and Romulan Intel ships have just one ship when it specifically states that there will be multiple Intel ships? If a ship only has Command seats for Specialization seats, then it is a Command ship. If a ship only has Pilot seats for Specialization seats, then it is a Pilot ship. Calling those ships as Intel ships is the easiest way to distinguish them from the other Tier 6 ships.
Quasi-Intel ships might be better name to call them, but being able to use Intel Bridge Officer abilities is far more important in distinguishing it as an Intel ship than the Gather Intelligence mechanic. The only real difference between the Starfleet Intel ships and the Romulan and KDF Quasi-Intel ships is the Gather Intelligence mechanic. So "Intel" ships don't get a lot more than non-Starfleet Quasi-Intel ships.
I'm not debating this, there isn't one to be had, what counts as a intel ship is defined by that list. on the kdf and rom sides, only the qib and faeht do. they are also the only ones that are call intel ships in the name and every intel ships are called (name) intel (ship type).
I am not sure why you are making such a big deal out of this. The whole point of my original post was to indicate the amount of KDF ships and Romulan ships that have an Intelligence seat and comparing that to the amount of Cross-faction ships that will have a Temporal seat. Calling them Intel ships is a good term for them since they use the Intelligence Bridge Officer abilities and they are just as good as the Starfleet Intel ships for sneakiness and intelligence gathering.
The Romulan and the majority of KDF ships are known for their sneakiness and intelligence gathering. After all, it is the Romulan's main trait in the TV series and Klingons have to know the right time to hunt their prey. So how can a Starfleet Intel ship compare to Romulan or KDF ships in stealth and ambushing? Most of their ships might not have the Gather Intel mechanic, but almost all Klingon Raiders (12 ships) and all, but two Romulan ships (Romulan version of Temporal Lockbox ships) have far better stealth capabilities than the Starfleet Intel ships. Personally, it seems redundant to call any Romulan and Klingon ships as an Intel ship since that is what most of them are capable of. Track down any enemy while cloaked to keep track of enemy movements and strike when necessary.
If you can't figure out the problem I'm pretty sure I can't explain it in a way you'ld understanding, it's just not something I'm good at.
and really you can't telll how one ship that cloaks and gets a big of tricks to help it hunt down and kill things to a ship that just cloaks. I can't even begin to even even think how to explain that with suddenly needing a drink and I rarely drink.
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
Life is not "black" or "white". Reality is not one "extreme" or the other. As far as this specific issue goes, the truth is somewhere in the middle. On the one hand, it is true that we should be reasonable enough as a community not to take every single word a dev says literally, or hold them to every single off the cuff comment they make. On the other hand, devs should not be given a complete pass either. Semantic debates aside, Mr. Geko definitely made it "sound" like the new faction would have equal content to the Romulan faction. If it turns out that that is not the case, he should be called out. Not lynched. Not insulted. But he should be reasonably called out for making misleading statements, even if they were not intentional. And he should be mature enough to learn from the situation and improve future comments, not react in a childish way with giving people the "silent treatment" or cutting off communication. Again, life is not about "extremes". Geko isn't some horrible liar, but he should also work on his communication. People shouldn't insult him, but they shouldn't give him a free pass either.
the better and more fair way would've been to toss the kdf and romulans at least ONE ship each in the pack, instead of zippo...
Meh, the rumors I've heard is that there will be 3 ships usable by Rom/KDF.... exclusive? no. but usable.
The third cross-faction ship info has been released on the Temporal Pack.
T6 Temporal Dreadnought Cruiser Chronos Class
Designed to face the greatest threats of the temporal battlefield, the massive Chronos-class Dreadnought is truly a force to be reckoned with. When the Temporal Cold War goes hot, Starfleet calls for the power of the Chronos. This ship is available to all factions.
Whether there is anymore Temporal Cross-faction ships remains to be seen, but there are only 3 Intel Klingon ships and 3 Intel Romulan ships. 2 each from the Delta Operations Pack, the Kurak Class Battlecruiser, and the Morrigu Heavy Warbird.
try again the is one intel ship for kdf and one for roms. the rest have intel seating but aren't intel ships. full intel ships get alot more.
and I'm betting that there will be no kdf or room temporal ships because they did the cross faction ships... or at least thats the excuse they will use.
If it has 1 Intel seat, then it is an Intel ship. Considering that there is only 3 ships with just Intel slots for the Romulans and KDF compared to a total of 17 Tier 6 ships for both the Romulans and KDF, then it is easier to call any ship with 1 Intel seat and no other Specialization seats an Intel ship. It doesn't matter if only 1 ship has an interesting gimmick that has no relation to what Bridge Officer abilities you have.
As far as no more Temporal ships for the Romulans and KDF, then there is the Kurak, Morrigu, and Pathfinder. Cryptic has to release its C-Store pack of 3 or more ships that are almost the same ship except a different look and slightly different stats due to it being a Starfleet, KDF, or Romulan ship.
"We’re very excited to announce the brand new Intel starships that will launch with Delta Rising. These new ships are sleek, agile, and deadly, and they feature a brand new mechanic not found on any other starship. Intel starships are available to captains that are level 50 or greater.
These all new starships are based upon an existing ship category (i.e.: Cruiser, Escort, Science Vessel, Warbird, etc.) and then heavily modified to make them more stealthy and agile. While all Intel ships are fairly unique, they all have the following in common:
Faster and more agile than non-intel ships of the same category
Less hull strength (HP) than non-intel ships of the same category
Cloaking Device
Starfleet Intel ships have a standard Cloak
Klingon Intel ships have Battle Cloak
Romulan Intel ships have Enhanced Romulan Battle Cloak
Can equip Dual Cannons
All Intel ships are Tier 6, so include standard features for this tier
Scaling HP
Starship Mastery passive abilities
Starship Trait
Have a Commander hybrid Intelligence bridge officer seat
Have at least one other lower rank hybrid Intelligence bridge officer seat
Have the Gather Intelligence mechanic"
from cryptic's own blog please try again. note the part with both a commander intel and lower ranked one.
So how can Klingon Intel ships and Romulan Intel ships have just one ship when it specifically states that there will be multiple Intel ships? If a ship only has Command seats for Specialization seats, then it is a Command ship. If a ship only has Pilot seats for Specialization seats, then it is a Pilot ship. Calling those ships as Intel ships is the easiest way to distinguish them from the other Tier 6 ships.
Quasi-Intel ships might be better name to call them, but being able to use Intel Bridge Officer abilities is far more important in distinguishing it as an Intel ship than the Gather Intelligence mechanic. The only real difference between the Starfleet Intel ships and the Romulan and KDF Quasi-Intel ships is the Gather Intelligence mechanic. So "Intel" ships don't get a lot more than non-Starfleet Quasi-Intel ships.
I'm not debating this, there isn't one to be had, what counts as a intel ship is defined by that list. on the kdf and rom sides, only the qib and faeht do. they are also the only ones that are call intel ships in the name and every intel ships are called (name) intel (ship type).
I am not sure why you are making such a big deal out of this. The whole point of my original post was to indicate the amount of KDF ships and Romulan ships that have an Intelligence seat and comparing that to the amount of Cross-faction ships that will have a Temporal seat. Calling them Intel ships is a good term for them since they use the Intelligence Bridge Officer abilities and they are just as good as the Starfleet Intel ships for sneakiness and intelligence gathering.
The Romulan and the majority of KDF ships are known for their sneakiness and intelligence gathering. After all, it is the Romulan's main trait in the TV series and Klingons have to know the right time to hunt their prey. So how can a Starfleet Intel ship compare to Romulan or KDF ships in stealth and ambushing? Most of their ships might not have the Gather Intel mechanic, but almost all Klingon Raiders (12 ships) and all, but two Romulan ships (Romulan version of Temporal Lockbox ships) have far better stealth capabilities than the Starfleet Intel ships. Personally, it seems redundant to call any Romulan and Klingon ships as an Intel ship since that is what most of them are capable of. Track down any enemy while cloaked to keep track of enemy movements and strike when necessary.
If you can't figure out the problem I'm pretty sure I can't explain it in a way you'ld understanding, it's just not something I'm good at.
and really you can't telll how one ship that cloaks and gets a big of tricks to help it hunt down and kill things to a ship that just cloaks. I can't even begin to even even think how to explain that with suddenly needing a drink and I rarely drink.
It is more like one ship that cloaks and gets a bag of tricks to help it hunt down and kill things to a ship that cloaks and gets the same bag of tricks and a couple of extras to help it hunt down and kill things. The Gather Intel mechanic is no different from Subsystem targeting, Sensor Analysis, or Cruiser Commands. The claim could be made that Gather Intel is worse for most enemies since Gather Intel is useless until the enemy ship is vulnerable while the others have an immediate effect. Then there is the problem of the enemy dying before the enemy ship becomes vulnerable. At least Inspiration is dependent on your team and Pilot Maneuvers is only dependent on yourself and not a specific enemy.
the better and more fair way would've been to toss the kdf and romulans at least ONE ship each in the pack, instead of zippo...
Meh, the rumors I've heard is that there will be 3 ships usable by Rom/KDF.... exclusive? no. but usable.
The third cross-faction ship info has been released on the Temporal Pack.
T6 Temporal Dreadnought Cruiser Chronos Class
Designed to face the greatest threats of the temporal battlefield, the massive Chronos-class Dreadnought is truly a force to be reckoned with. When the Temporal Cold War goes hot, Starfleet calls for the power of the Chronos. This ship is available to all factions.
Whether there is anymore Temporal Cross-faction ships remains to be seen, but there are only 3 Intel Klingon ships and 3 Intel Romulan ships. 2 each from the Delta Operations Pack, the Kurak Class Battlecruiser, and the Morrigu Heavy Warbird.
try again the is one intel ship for kdf and one for roms. the rest have intel seating but aren't intel ships. full intel ships get alot more.
and I'm betting that there will be no kdf or room temporal ships because they did the cross faction ships... or at least thats the excuse they will use.
If it has 1 Intel seat, then it is an Intel ship. Considering that there is only 3 ships with just Intel slots for the Romulans and KDF compared to a total of 17 Tier 6 ships for both the Romulans and KDF, then it is easier to call any ship with 1 Intel seat and no other Specialization seats an Intel ship. It doesn't matter if only 1 ship has an interesting gimmick that has no relation to what Bridge Officer abilities you have.
As far as no more Temporal ships for the Romulans and KDF, then there is the Kurak, Morrigu, and Pathfinder. Cryptic has to release its C-Store pack of 3 or more ships that are almost the same ship except a different look and slightly different stats due to it being a Starfleet, KDF, or Romulan ship.
"We’re very excited to announce the brand new Intel starships that will launch with Delta Rising. These new ships are sleek, agile, and deadly, and they feature a brand new mechanic not found on any other starship. Intel starships are available to captains that are level 50 or greater.
These all new starships are based upon an existing ship category (i.e.: Cruiser, Escort, Science Vessel, Warbird, etc.) and then heavily modified to make them more stealthy and agile. While all Intel ships are fairly unique, they all have the following in common:
Faster and more agile than non-intel ships of the same category
Less hull strength (HP) than non-intel ships of the same category
Cloaking Device
Starfleet Intel ships have a standard Cloak
Klingon Intel ships have Battle Cloak
Romulan Intel ships have Enhanced Romulan Battle Cloak
Can equip Dual Cannons
All Intel ships are Tier 6, so include standard features for this tier
Scaling HP
Starship Mastery passive abilities
Starship Trait
Have a Commander hybrid Intelligence bridge officer seat
Have at least one other lower rank hybrid Intelligence bridge officer seat
Have the Gather Intelligence mechanic"
from cryptic's own blog please try again. note the part with both a commander intel and lower ranked one.
So how can Klingon Intel ships and Romulan Intel ships have just one ship when it specifically states that there will be multiple Intel ships? If a ship only has Command seats for Specialization seats, then it is a Command ship. If a ship only has Pilot seats for Specialization seats, then it is a Pilot ship. Calling those ships as Intel ships is the easiest way to distinguish them from the other Tier 6 ships.
Quasi-Intel ships might be better name to call them, but being able to use Intel Bridge Officer abilities is far more important in distinguishing it as an Intel ship than the Gather Intelligence mechanic. The only real difference between the Starfleet Intel ships and the Romulan and KDF Quasi-Intel ships is the Gather Intelligence mechanic. So "Intel" ships don't get a lot more than non-Starfleet Quasi-Intel ships.
I'm not debating this, there isn't one to be had, what counts as a intel ship is defined by that list. on the kdf and rom sides, only the qib and faeht do. they are also the only ones that are call intel ships in the name and every intel ships are called (name) intel (ship type).
I am not sure why you are making such a big deal out of this. The whole point of my original post was to indicate the amount of KDF ships and Romulan ships that have an Intelligence seat and comparing that to the amount of Cross-faction ships that will have a Temporal seat. Calling them Intel ships is a good term for them since they use the Intelligence Bridge Officer abilities and they are just as good as the Starfleet Intel ships for sneakiness and intelligence gathering.
The Romulan and the majority of KDF ships are known for their sneakiness and intelligence gathering. After all, it is the Romulan's main trait in the TV series and Klingons have to know the right time to hunt their prey. So how can a Starfleet Intel ship compare to Romulan or KDF ships in stealth and ambushing? Most of their ships might not have the Gather Intel mechanic, but almost all Klingon Raiders (12 ships) and all, but two Romulan ships (Romulan version of Temporal Lockbox ships) have far better stealth capabilities than the Starfleet Intel ships. Personally, it seems redundant to call any Romulan and Klingon ships as an Intel ship since that is what most of them are capable of. Track down any enemy while cloaked to keep track of enemy movements and strike when necessary.
If you can't figure out the problem I'm pretty sure I can't explain it in a way you'ld understanding, it's just not something I'm good at.
and really you can't telll how one ship that cloaks and gets a big of tricks to help it hunt down and kill things to a ship that just cloaks. I can't even begin to even even think how to explain that with suddenly needing a drink and I rarely drink.
It is more like one ship that cloaks and gets a bag of tricks to help it hunt down and kill things to a ship that cloaks and gets the same bag of tricks and a couple of extras to help it hunt down and kill things. The Gather Intel mechanic is no different from Subsystem targeting, Sensor Analysis, or Cruiser Commands. The claim could be made that Gather Intel is worse for most enemies since Gather Intel is useless until the enemy ship is vulnerable while the others have an immediate effect. Then there is the problem of the enemy dying before the enemy ship becomes vulnerable. At least Inspiration is dependent on your team and Pilot Maneuvers is only dependent on yourself and not a specific enemy.
except the same bag of trick thing would a lie, wait is that rude? I'm sorry, lets do the federation thing call it a misunderstanding. let try to clear it up than I got to go bed.
1. bird of prey no sensor analysis, or crusier commands. subsystem targeting? in less you using beams which is question choice for a ship designed cannon burst dmg useless. no intel end of story. only battlecloak which more oftend then not means a trip to respawn if you actually try to use it. in less you really know what your doing cause of the whole paper thin hull thing. oh raider flanking got to be in the rear arc, so in less you have something else to pin your target down or put a lot of power in engines not really all that helpful in less you know what your doing.
lets compare intel science since bop is the not science ship for kdf shall we, intel gathering a bag of trick that costs it nothing. cloak. commander intel and lieutenant intel so at most 6 intel boff skills, subsystem targeting, and Sensor Analysis. sure in loses a little hull but science ship have high shields anyway. seems like intel sci has alot more going for it in the term of tricks with fewer hoops to jump though.
roms umm, nothing compareable at t6 at all. no science warbirds.
raptors now, cloak... and well the mat'ha has a lieutenant intel, so 2 low level lntel boff skills. no bonus stuff. any others with intel at to compare? lol nope.
lets compare the Intel Escort this time. cloak, commander intel and lieutenant intel so again 6 intel boff skills at most. Active Sensor Arrays for intel gathering. so more intel and bag of tricks. again more.
oh light warbird, battlecloak, better in bop but still no shieldd is riskly, Singularity powers, sadly comes with reduced power and drains when cloak. lieutenant intel, so two low level intel. escort still wins.
now the big Battlecruiser/cruiser face off.
qib, battlecloak, better than on bop thats for sure. only two out of four cruiser commands. commander intel and lieutenant intel so at most 6 intel boff skills bout time. hey intel gathering.
now intel cruiser, cloak, only two out of four cruiser commands, commander intel and lieutenant intel, 6 max again. ok qib is slightly better if a little riskier.
bonus round for our friend the Intel Warbird. Enhanced Battle Cloak great for stealth bombers but riskier and needs greater effort too build then bfawing though with a cruiser, Singularity powers, reduced power and drain while on a boat meant to stay cloaked forever useless. Gather Intel. mix state high end player it can be better than the qib everyone else worse the the intel cruiser.
so feds wins twice with one lost with a debatable 2nd place on the lost. now I need to go to bed.
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
the better and more fair way would've been to toss the kdf and romulans at least ONE ship each in the pack, instead of zippo...
Meh, the rumors I've heard is that there will be 3 ships usable by Rom/KDF.... exclusive? no. but usable.
The third cross-faction ship info has been released on the Temporal Pack.
T6 Temporal Dreadnought Cruiser Chronos Class
Designed to face the greatest threats of the temporal battlefield, the massive Chronos-class Dreadnought is truly a force to be reckoned with. When the Temporal Cold War goes hot, Starfleet calls for the power of the Chronos. This ship is available to all factions.
Whether there is anymore Temporal Cross-faction ships remains to be seen, but there are only 3 Intel Klingon ships and 3 Intel Romulan ships. 2 each from the Delta Operations Pack, the Kurak Class Battlecruiser, and the Morrigu Heavy Warbird.
try again the is one intel ship for kdf and one for roms. the rest have intel seating but aren't intel ships. full intel ships get alot more.
and I'm betting that there will be no kdf or room temporal ships because they did the cross faction ships... or at least thats the excuse they will use.
If it has 1 Intel seat, then it is an Intel ship. Considering that there is only 3 ships with just Intel slots for the Romulans and KDF compared to a total of 17 Tier 6 ships for both the Romulans and KDF, then it is easier to call any ship with 1 Intel seat and no other Specialization seats an Intel ship. It doesn't matter if only 1 ship has an interesting gimmick that has no relation to what Bridge Officer abilities you have.
As far as no more Temporal ships for the Romulans and KDF, then there is the Kurak, Morrigu, and Pathfinder. Cryptic has to release its C-Store pack of 3 or more ships that are almost the same ship except a different look and slightly different stats due to it being a Starfleet, KDF, or Romulan ship.
"We’re very excited to announce the brand new Intel starships that will launch with Delta Rising. These new ships are sleek, agile, and deadly, and they feature a brand new mechanic not found on any other starship. Intel starships are available to captains that are level 50 or greater.
These all new starships are based upon an existing ship category (i.e.: Cruiser, Escort, Science Vessel, Warbird, etc.) and then heavily modified to make them more stealthy and agile. While all Intel ships are fairly unique, they all have the following in common:
Faster and more agile than non-intel ships of the same category
Less hull strength (HP) than non-intel ships of the same category
Cloaking Device
Starfleet Intel ships have a standard Cloak
Klingon Intel ships have Battle Cloak
Romulan Intel ships have Enhanced Romulan Battle Cloak
Can equip Dual Cannons
All Intel ships are Tier 6, so include standard features for this tier
Scaling HP
Starship Mastery passive abilities
Starship Trait
Have a Commander hybrid Intelligence bridge officer seat
Have at least one other lower rank hybrid Intelligence bridge officer seat
Have the Gather Intelligence mechanic"
from cryptic's own blog please try again. note the part with both a commander intel and lower ranked one.
So how can Klingon Intel ships and Romulan Intel ships have just one ship when it specifically states that there will be multiple Intel ships? If a ship only has Command seats for Specialization seats, then it is a Command ship. If a ship only has Pilot seats for Specialization seats, then it is a Pilot ship. Calling those ships as Intel ships is the easiest way to distinguish them from the other Tier 6 ships.
Quasi-Intel ships might be better name to call them, but being able to use Intel Bridge Officer abilities is far more important in distinguishing it as an Intel ship than the Gather Intelligence mechanic. The only real difference between the Starfleet Intel ships and the Romulan and KDF Quasi-Intel ships is the Gather Intelligence mechanic. So "Intel" ships don't get a lot more than non-Starfleet Quasi-Intel ships.
I'm not debating this, there isn't one to be had, what counts as a intel ship is defined by that list. on the kdf and rom sides, only the qib and faeht do. they are also the only ones that are call intel ships in the name and every intel ships are called (name) intel (ship type).
I am not sure why you are making such a big deal out of this. The whole point of my original post was to indicate the amount of KDF ships and Romulan ships that have an Intelligence seat and comparing that to the amount of Cross-faction ships that will have a Temporal seat. Calling them Intel ships is a good term for them since they use the Intelligence Bridge Officer abilities and they are just as good as the Starfleet Intel ships for sneakiness and intelligence gathering.
The Romulan and the majority of KDF ships are known for their sneakiness and intelligence gathering. After all, it is the Romulan's main trait in the TV series and Klingons have to know the right time to hunt their prey. So how can a Starfleet Intel ship compare to Romulan or KDF ships in stealth and ambushing? Most of their ships might not have the Gather Intel mechanic, but almost all Klingon Raiders (12 ships) and all, but two Romulan ships (Romulan version of Temporal Lockbox ships) have far better stealth capabilities than the Starfleet Intel ships. Personally, it seems redundant to call any Romulan and Klingon ships as an Intel ship since that is what most of them are capable of. Track down any enemy while cloaked to keep track of enemy movements and strike when necessary.
If you can't figure out the problem I'm pretty sure I can't explain it in a way you'ld understanding, it's just not something I'm good at.
and really you can't telll how one ship that cloaks and gets a big of tricks to help it hunt down and kill things to a ship that just cloaks. I can't even begin to even even think how to explain that with suddenly needing a drink and I rarely drink.
It is more like one ship that cloaks and gets a bag of tricks to help it hunt down and kill things to a ship that cloaks and gets the same bag of tricks and a couple of extras to help it hunt down and kill things. The Gather Intel mechanic is no different from Subsystem targeting, Sensor Analysis, or Cruiser Commands. The claim could be made that Gather Intel is worse for most enemies since Gather Intel is useless until the enemy ship is vulnerable while the others have an immediate effect. Then there is the problem of the enemy dying before the enemy ship becomes vulnerable. At least Inspiration is dependent on your team and Pilot Maneuvers is only dependent on yourself and not a specific enemy.
except the same bag of trick thing would a lie, wait is that rude? I'm sorry, lets do the federation thing call it a misunderstanding. let try to clear it up than I got to go bed.
1. bird of prey no sensor analysis, or crusier commands. subsystem targeting? in less you using beams which is question choice for a ship designed cannon burst dmg useless. no intel end of story. only battlecloak which more oftend then not means a trip to respawn if you actually try to use it. in less you really know what your doing cause of the whole paper thin hull thing. oh raider flanking got to be in the rear arc, so in less you have something else to pin your target down or put a lot of power in engines not really all that helpful in less you know what your doing.
lets compare intel science since bop is the not science ship for kdf shall we, intel gathering a bag of trick that costs it nothing. cloak. commander intel and lieutenant intel so at most 6 intel boff skills, subsystem targeting, and Sensor Analysis. sure in loses a little hull but science ship have high shields anyway. seems like intel sci has alot more going for it in the term of tricks with fewer hoops to jump though.
roms umm, nothing compareable at t6 at all. no science warbirds.
raptors now, cloak... and well the mat'ha has a lieutenant intel, so 2 low level lntel boff skills. no bonus stuff. any others with intel at to compare? lol nope.
lets compare the Intel Escort this time. cloak, commander intel and lieutenant intel so again 6 intel boff skills at most. Active Sensor Arrays for intel gathering. so more intel and bag of tricks. again more.
oh light warbird, battlecloak, better in bop but still no shieldd is riskly, Singularity powers, sadly comes with reduced power and drains when cloak. lieutenant intel, so two low level intel. escort still wins.
now the big Battlecruiser/cruiser face off.
qib, battlecloak, better than on bop thats for sure. only two out of four cruiser commands. commander intel and lieutenant intel so at most 6 intel boff skills bout time. hey intel gathering.
now intel cruiser, cloak, only two out of four cruiser commands, commander intel and lieutenant intel, 6 max again. ok qib is slightly better if a little riskier.
bonus round for our friend the Intel Warbird. Enhanced Battle Cloak great for stealth bombers but riskier and needs greater effort too build then bfawing though with a cruiser, Singularity powers, reduced power and drain while on a boat meant to stay cloaked forever useless. Gather Intel. mix state high end player it can be better than the qib everyone else worse the the intel cruiser.
so feds wins twice with one lost with a debatable 2nd place on the lost. now I need to go to bed.
And I see no comparison with the Morrigu and Kurak since they both have Intel Bridge Officer seats. The Morrigu has better hull, better shields, singularity abilities, and better bridge officer slotting over the Intel Escort. A Commander Tactical, Lieutenant Commander Engineering, and Lieutenant Commander Universal/Tactical Bridge Officer seats is much better than the Commander Tactical/Intelligence, Lieutenant Commander Tactical, and Lieutenant Commander Engineering. The Intel Escort just has a slightly better turn rate and impulse modifier. Have to say that the Morrigu is better than the Intel Escort. The Kurak has 3 out of 4 Cruiser Commands, 1,000 more hull, and a Lt. Commander Intel/Tactical Bridge Officer slot and Commander Engineering compared to the Intel Cruiser. The Kurak wins in durability. So the Kurak and Qib are both better than the Intel Cruiser. So Feds win once with 2 loses.
The same bag of tricks is the Intelligence Bridge Officer skills. So the Gather Intel which can be useless most of the time, a slightly better cloak, and extra Intel Bridge Officer abilities are the extra since they get a Commander Intel Bridge Offer and Lieutenant Intel Bridge Officer instead of a Lieutenant Commander Intel Bridge Officer or Lieutenant Intel Bridge Officer. So that is 3 extra Intel Bridge Officer abilities compared to the Morrigu and Kurak or 4 extra Intel Bridge Officer abilties for the Aeahl and Mat'ha.
the better and more fair way would've been to toss the kdf and romulans at least ONE ship each in the pack, instead of zippo...
Meh, the rumors I've heard is that there will be 3 ships usable by Rom/KDF.... exclusive? no. but usable.
The third cross-faction ship info has been released on the Temporal Pack.
T6 Temporal Dreadnought Cruiser Chronos Class
Designed to face the greatest threats of the temporal battlefield, the massive Chronos-class Dreadnought is truly a force to be reckoned with. When the Temporal Cold War goes hot, Starfleet calls for the power of the Chronos. This ship is available to all factions.
Whether there is anymore Temporal Cross-faction ships remains to be seen, but there are only 3 Intel Klingon ships and 3 Intel Romulan ships. 2 each from the Delta Operations Pack, the Kurak Class Battlecruiser, and the Morrigu Heavy Warbird.
try again the is one intel ship for kdf and one for roms. the rest have intel seating but aren't intel ships. full intel ships get alot more.
and I'm betting that there will be no kdf or room temporal ships because they did the cross faction ships... or at least thats the excuse they will use.
If it has 1 Intel seat, then it is an Intel ship. Considering that there is only 3 ships with just Intel slots for the Romulans and KDF compared to a total of 17 Tier 6 ships for both the Romulans and KDF, then it is easier to call any ship with 1 Intel seat and no other Specialization seats an Intel ship. It doesn't matter if only 1 ship has an interesting gimmick that has no relation to what Bridge Officer abilities you have.
As far as no more Temporal ships for the Romulans and KDF, then there is the Kurak, Morrigu, and Pathfinder. Cryptic has to release its C-Store pack of 3 or more ships that are almost the same ship except a different look and slightly different stats due to it being a Starfleet, KDF, or Romulan ship.
"We’re very excited to announce the brand new Intel starships that will launch with Delta Rising. These new ships are sleek, agile, and deadly, and they feature a brand new mechanic not found on any other starship. Intel starships are available to captains that are level 50 or greater.
These all new starships are based upon an existing ship category (i.e.: Cruiser, Escort, Science Vessel, Warbird, etc.) and then heavily modified to make them more stealthy and agile. While all Intel ships are fairly unique, they all have the following in common:
Faster and more agile than non-intel ships of the same category
Less hull strength (HP) than non-intel ships of the same category
Cloaking Device
Starfleet Intel ships have a standard Cloak
Klingon Intel ships have Battle Cloak
Romulan Intel ships have Enhanced Romulan Battle Cloak
Can equip Dual Cannons
All Intel ships are Tier 6, so include standard features for this tier
Scaling HP
Starship Mastery passive abilities
Starship Trait
Have a Commander hybrid Intelligence bridge officer seat
Have at least one other lower rank hybrid Intelligence bridge officer seat
Have the Gather Intelligence mechanic"
from cryptic's own blog please try again. note the part with both a commander intel and lower ranked one.
So how can Klingon Intel ships and Romulan Intel ships have just one ship when it specifically states that there will be multiple Intel ships? If a ship only has Command seats for Specialization seats, then it is a Command ship. If a ship only has Pilot seats for Specialization seats, then it is a Pilot ship. Calling those ships as Intel ships is the easiest way to distinguish them from the other Tier 6 ships.
Quasi-Intel ships might be better name to call them, but being able to use Intel Bridge Officer abilities is far more important in distinguishing it as an Intel ship than the Gather Intelligence mechanic. The only real difference between the Starfleet Intel ships and the Romulan and KDF Quasi-Intel ships is the Gather Intelligence mechanic. So "Intel" ships don't get a lot more than non-Starfleet Quasi-Intel ships.
I'm not debating this, there isn't one to be had, what counts as a intel ship is defined by that list. on the kdf and rom sides, only the qib and faeht do. they are also the only ones that are call intel ships in the name and every intel ships are called (name) intel (ship type).
I am not sure why you are making such a big deal out of this. The whole point of my original post was to indicate the amount of KDF ships and Romulan ships that have an Intelligence seat and comparing that to the amount of Cross-faction ships that will have a Temporal seat. Calling them Intel ships is a good term for them since they use the Intelligence Bridge Officer abilities and they are just as good as the Starfleet Intel ships for sneakiness and intelligence gathering.
The Romulan and the majority of KDF ships are known for their sneakiness and intelligence gathering. After all, it is the Romulan's main trait in the TV series and Klingons have to know the right time to hunt their prey. So how can a Starfleet Intel ship compare to Romulan or KDF ships in stealth and ambushing? Most of their ships might not have the Gather Intel mechanic, but almost all Klingon Raiders (12 ships) and all, but two Romulan ships (Romulan version of Temporal Lockbox ships) have far better stealth capabilities than the Starfleet Intel ships. Personally, it seems redundant to call any Romulan and Klingon ships as an Intel ship since that is what most of them are capable of. Track down any enemy while cloaked to keep track of enemy movements and strike when necessary.
If you can't figure out the problem I'm pretty sure I can't explain it in a way you'ld understanding, it's just not something I'm good at.
and really you can't telll how one ship that cloaks and gets a big of tricks to help it hunt down and kill things to a ship that just cloaks. I can't even begin to even even think how to explain that with suddenly needing a drink and I rarely drink.
It is more like one ship that cloaks and gets a bag of tricks to help it hunt down and kill things to a ship that cloaks and gets the same bag of tricks and a couple of extras to help it hunt down and kill things. The Gather Intel mechanic is no different from Subsystem targeting, Sensor Analysis, or Cruiser Commands. The claim could be made that Gather Intel is worse for most enemies since Gather Intel is useless until the enemy ship is vulnerable while the others have an immediate effect. Then there is the problem of the enemy dying before the enemy ship becomes vulnerable. At least Inspiration is dependent on your team and Pilot Maneuvers is only dependent on yourself and not a specific enemy.
except the same bag of trick thing would a lie, wait is that rude? I'm sorry, lets do the federation thing call it a misunderstanding. let try to clear it up than I got to go bed.
1. bird of prey no sensor analysis, or crusier commands. subsystem targeting? in less you using beams which is question choice for a ship designed cannon burst dmg useless. no intel end of story. only battlecloak which more oftend then not means a trip to respawn if you actually try to use it. in less you really know what your doing cause of the whole paper thin hull thing. oh raider flanking got to be in the rear arc, so in less you have something else to pin your target down or put a lot of power in engines not really all that helpful in less you know what your doing.
lets compare intel science since bop is the not science ship for kdf shall we, intel gathering a bag of trick that costs it nothing. cloak. commander intel and lieutenant intel so at most 6 intel boff skills, subsystem targeting, and Sensor Analysis. sure in loses a little hull but science ship have high shields anyway. seems like intel sci has alot more going for it in the term of tricks with fewer hoops to jump though.
roms umm, nothing compareable at t6 at all. no science warbirds.
raptors now, cloak... and well the mat'ha has a lieutenant intel, so 2 low level lntel boff skills. no bonus stuff. any others with intel at to compare? lol nope.
lets compare the Intel Escort this time. cloak, commander intel and lieutenant intel so again 6 intel boff skills at most. Active Sensor Arrays for intel gathering. so more intel and bag of tricks. again more.
oh light warbird, battlecloak, better in bop but still no shieldd is riskly, Singularity powers, sadly comes with reduced power and drains when cloak. lieutenant intel, so two low level intel. escort still wins.
now the big Battlecruiser/cruiser face off.
qib, battlecloak, better than on bop thats for sure. only two out of four cruiser commands. commander intel and lieutenant intel so at most 6 intel boff skills bout time. hey intel gathering.
now intel cruiser, cloak, only two out of four cruiser commands, commander intel and lieutenant intel, 6 max again. ok qib is slightly better if a little riskier.
bonus round for our friend the Intel Warbird. Enhanced Battle Cloak great for stealth bombers but riskier and needs greater effort too build then bfawing though with a cruiser, Singularity powers, reduced power and drain while on a boat meant to stay cloaked forever useless. Gather Intel. mix state high end player it can be better than the qib everyone else worse the the intel cruiser.
so feds wins twice with one lost with a debatable 2nd place on the lost. now I need to go to bed.
And I see no comparison with the Morrigu and Kurak since they both have Intel Bridge Officer seats. The Morrigu has better hull, better shields, singularity abilities, and better bridge officer slotting over the Intel Escort. A Commander Tactical, Lieutenant Commander Engineering, and Lieutenant Commander Universal/Tactical Bridge Officer seats is much better than the Commander Tactical/Intelligence, Lieutenant Commander Tactical, and Lieutenant Commander Engineering. The Intel Escort just has a slightly better turn rate and impulse modifier. Have to say that the Morrigu is better than the Intel Escort. The Kurak has 3 out of 4 Cruiser Commands, 1,000 more hull, and a Lt. Commander Intel/Tactical Bridge Officer slot and Commander Engineering compared to the Intel Cruiser. The Kurak wins in durability. So the Kurak and Qib are both better than the Intel Cruiser. So Feds win once with 2 loses.
The same bag of tricks is the Intelligence Bridge Officer skills. So the Gather Intel which can be useless most of the time, a slightly better cloak, and extra Intel Bridge Officer abilities are the extra since they get a Commander Intel Bridge Offer and Lieutenant Intel Bridge Officer instead of a Lieutenant Commander Intel Bridge Officer or Lieutenant Intel Bridge Officer. So that is 3 extra Intel Bridge Officer abilities compared to the Morrigu and Kurak or 4 extra Intel Bridge Officer abilties for the Aeahl and Mat'ha.
really, don't know how to compare similar types do ya. and we're comparing access to the same skillset which doesn't cover the rest of the seating or turn rate/impulse modifier.
heavy warbird would be compared to cruiser being similar engie heavy types. singularity, battle cloak Lieutenant Commander intel so 3 max intel skills.
intel cruiser. cloak, commander and lieutenant into so 6 max intel. intel gathering which has no hoops to jump though except a little time which if that makes it not count then singularity doesn't count ether. anf two of four cruiser commands. cruiser wins abit barely but 6 is twice a large as 3.
now the kurak, cloak, Lieutenant Commander intel max boff intel 3 again. 3 out of 4 cruiser commands. no speciel function at all. intel cruiser wins again
bonus round for intel escort and a little knowledge of how intel works:
cloak, commander intel and lieutenant intel so again 6 intel boff skills at most. Active Sensor Arrays for intel gathering. and for the lesson I promised, the intel escort is the best ship to slot the oss III Surgical Strikes III combination. which mean both the op moves from intel at the highest levels. escort wins over the crusier lines.
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
Really folks. Can we at least pretend that this thread has a topic to it and try to stick to that? I know it's gone horribly off the path, but still...
Life is not "black" or "white". Reality is not one "extreme" or the other. As far as this specific issue goes, the truth is somewhere in the middle. On the one hand, it is true that we should be reasonable enough as a community not to take every single word a dev says literally, or hold them to every single off the cuff comment they make. On the other hand, devs should not be given a complete pass either. Semantic debates aside, Mr. Geko definitely made it "sound" like the new faction would have equal content to the Romulan faction. If it turns out that that is not the case, he should be called out. Not lynched. Not insulted. But he should be reasonably called out for making misleading statements, even if they were not intentional. And he should be mature enough to learn from the situation and improve future comments, not react in a childish way with giving people the "silent treatment" or cutting off communication. Again, life is not about "extremes". Geko isn't some horrible liar, but he should also work on his communication. People shouldn't insult him, but they shouldn't give him a free pass either.
Really folks. Can we at least pretend that this thread has a topic to it and try to stick to that? I know it's gone horribly off the path, but still...
There's really nothing more to be said on the actual topic, until we know more. As it stands now, we know there are 6 exclusive missions, and two more after that are for all factions - and oddly spaced throughout the existing XP tree. You can be working on two mission arcs simultaneously, the base one your faction uses to level up, and Yesterday's War, which is an all-faction arc that starts at 19th and has spacing of about 10 levels between its missions so far.
Everything else is speculation based on one unsubstantiated statement Geko made, and which he basically contradicted later in the same interview.
That's it. Topic complete.
Now, as to the sub topic - the Wells/Korath/R'Mor/etc are not actually justification for there being factioned versions of the Eternal, Ouruboros and Chronos. The former are from the 29th century, the latter from the 31st. We know by the 29th that the Romulans and Klingons were part of the Federation, but still had their own ships because it was still a fairly recent development. 200 years later, we don't know if the whole thing was completely homogenized or not, but one assumes it would be - and hence we aren't getting faction versions of those ships.
or we could accept the meta that Cryptic finally found a way to be completely lazy and not give out KDF/Romulan ships ever again, and at the same time, free themselves from the Fed design scheme.
To be honest the fact that they have limited the species for the 23rd to such an extent has put me off it.
no i didn't want lib borg but caitians trill rigelians are all species that starfleet know about.
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I wonder if you will be able to replay the 6 missions. If so, and you can go back in time and fly around there, then the AOY has a lot more value for me.
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the one potential bonus I see from the Agents of Yesterday event that I haven't seen mentioned yet is delta recruits as well as regular characters should be able to claim any account unlocks from the AoY event and ToS characters will be able to claim account unlocks from the delta recruit event.
that's if they stick to the original formula that it was only delta recruits that could not claim the account unlocks for the delta event so it should be that only ToS characters that should not be able to claim account unlocks from AoY event but they should both be able to claim the account unlocks from the opposing events.
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Yeah, the TOS sector block is the part that makes me most curious.... it's the sort of thing I wouldn't expect them to build just as a temporary place. As-is you apparently have to be a TOS fed to go there, but you can't go back once you go to the present? Kinda strange.
Yeah, the TOS sector block is the part that makes me most curious.... it's the sort of thing I wouldn't expect them to build just as a temporary place. As-is you apparently have to be a TOS fed to go there, but you can't go back once you go to the present? Kinda strange.
It's also interesting the TOS sector block includes places we don't go during the Tribble missions. Vulcan, Andoria, Starbase 39-Sierra, the Delphic Region, etc.
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So how can Klingon Intel ships and Romulan Intel ships have just one ship when it specifically states that there will be multiple Intel ships? If a ship only has Command seats for Specialization seats, then it is a Command ship. If a ship only has Pilot seats for Specialization seats, then it is a Pilot ship. Calling those ships as Intel ships is the easiest way to distinguish them from the other Tier 6 ships.
Quasi-Intel ships might be better name to call them, but being able to use Intel Bridge Officer abilities is far more important in distinguishing it as an Intel ship than the Gather Intelligence mechanic. The only real difference between the Starfleet Intel ships and the Romulan and KDF Quasi-Intel ships is the Gather Intelligence mechanic. So "Intel" ships don't get a lot more than non-Starfleet Quasi-Intel ships.
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> So, it's a problem. Different conventions for different communities. Devs think one way, marketing another. That's all (no radical reinterpretations of upcoming content necessary.)
The problem with your logic is that GECKO was the one that made the comparison to Romulans. HE made that comparison, not us. So unless you think he is some kind of psycho that would make a comparison that doesn't apply, then HE is the one that created the expectations that the TOS faction is like the factions we are familiar with when HE said it was AT LEAST as much of a faction as the Romulans.
The tier 6 command ships bundle, with 3 ships for each faction came out a few months after the Delta Rising expansion did. A few months after that the pilot ship bundle was released.
Delta Rising: Released Oct 2014
Command Bundle: Release Feb 2015
Pilot Bundle: Released May 2015
Or am I misreading what your saying?
I'm not debating this, there isn't one to be had, what counts as a intel ship is defined by that list. on the kdf and rom sides, only the qib and faeht do. they are also the only ones that are call intel ships in the name and every intel ships are called (name) intel (ship type).
completely.
when I say after the first group I mean for that spec. kinda makes no sense otherwise.
but after the delta rising pack there, as of this writing, have been no new full intel ships. same after command for command, and pilot for pilot.
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Ah, I get what you're saying now.
But I still think there's a greater than average chance that they'll release faction specific temporal ships, since temporal stuff is what's largely on the menu for content for the foreseeable future, and we're not seeing them in the AoY pack, when every other spec pack in the past has had them, they may actually double dip on this one.
But there's a pretty good chance that they haven't released all the info for what's in that pack yet anyway. So we'll have to wait and see what the final pack looks like I guess.
you right about that but I had the same thought about delta so I little doubtful on the subject, but I've been wrong before, lets both hope I'm wrong this time.
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
Don't be a gurk.
*2nd, if you read the other thread first.
Who's getting mad at whom? I'm not mad any anyone. Least of all Geko.
But, as I said before, I think people are expecting too much from the informal interaction with the playerbase that these interviews are meant to be. The blogs and forum posts are where the real information comes out anyways. Nothing is official a blog is posted.
I am not sure why you are making such a big deal out of this. The whole point of my original post was to indicate the amount of KDF ships and Romulan ships that have an Intelligence seat and comparing that to the amount of Cross-faction ships that will have a Temporal seat. Calling them Intel ships is a good term for them since they use the Intelligence Bridge Officer abilities and they are just as good as the Starfleet Intel ships for sneakiness and intelligence gathering.
The Romulan and the majority of KDF ships are known for their sneakiness and intelligence gathering. After all, it is the Romulan's main trait in the TV series and Klingons have to know the right time to hunt their prey. So how can a Starfleet Intel ship compare to Romulan or KDF ships in stealth and ambushing? Most of their ships might not have the Gather Intel mechanic, but almost all Klingon Raiders (12 ships) and all, but two Romulan ships (Romulan version of Temporal Lockbox ships) have far better stealth capabilities than the Starfleet Intel ships. Personally, it seems redundant to call any Romulan and Klingon ships as an Intel ship since that is what most of them are capable of. Track down any enemy while cloaked to keep track of enemy movements and strike when necessary.
If you can't figure out the problem I'm pretty sure I can't explain it in a way you'ld understanding, it's just not something I'm good at.
and really you can't telll how one ship that cloaks and gets a big of tricks to help it hunt down and kill things to a ship that just cloaks. I can't even begin to even even think how to explain that with suddenly needing a drink and I rarely drink.
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
It is more like one ship that cloaks and gets a bag of tricks to help it hunt down and kill things to a ship that cloaks and gets the same bag of tricks and a couple of extras to help it hunt down and kill things. The Gather Intel mechanic is no different from Subsystem targeting, Sensor Analysis, or Cruiser Commands. The claim could be made that Gather Intel is worse for most enemies since Gather Intel is useless until the enemy ship is vulnerable while the others have an immediate effect. Then there is the problem of the enemy dying before the enemy ship becomes vulnerable. At least Inspiration is dependent on your team and Pilot Maneuvers is only dependent on yourself and not a specific enemy.
except the same bag of trick thing would a lie, wait is that rude? I'm sorry, lets do the federation thing call it a misunderstanding. let try to clear it up than I got to go bed.
1. bird of prey no sensor analysis, or crusier commands. subsystem targeting? in less you using beams which is question choice for a ship designed cannon burst dmg useless. no intel end of story. only battlecloak which more oftend then not means a trip to respawn if you actually try to use it. in less you really know what your doing cause of the whole paper thin hull thing. oh raider flanking got to be in the rear arc, so in less you have something else to pin your target down or put a lot of power in engines not really all that helpful in less you know what your doing.
lets compare intel science since bop is the not science ship for kdf shall we, intel gathering a bag of trick that costs it nothing. cloak. commander intel and lieutenant intel so at most 6 intel boff skills, subsystem targeting, and Sensor Analysis. sure in loses a little hull but science ship have high shields anyway. seems like intel sci has alot more going for it in the term of tricks with fewer hoops to jump though.
roms umm, nothing compareable at t6 at all. no science warbirds.
raptors now, cloak... and well the mat'ha has a lieutenant intel, so 2 low level lntel boff skills. no bonus stuff. any others with intel at to compare? lol nope.
lets compare the Intel Escort this time. cloak, commander intel and lieutenant intel so again 6 intel boff skills at most. Active Sensor Arrays for intel gathering. so more intel and bag of tricks. again more.
oh light warbird, battlecloak, better in bop but still no shieldd is riskly, Singularity powers, sadly comes with reduced power and drains when cloak. lieutenant intel, so two low level intel. escort still wins.
now the big Battlecruiser/cruiser face off.
qib, battlecloak, better than on bop thats for sure. only two out of four cruiser commands. commander intel and lieutenant intel so at most 6 intel boff skills bout time. hey intel gathering.
now intel cruiser, cloak, only two out of four cruiser commands, commander intel and lieutenant intel, 6 max again. ok qib is slightly better if a little riskier.
bonus round for our friend the Intel Warbird. Enhanced Battle Cloak great for stealth bombers but riskier and needs greater effort too build then bfawing though with a cruiser, Singularity powers, reduced power and drain while on a boat meant to stay cloaked forever useless. Gather Intel. mix state high end player it can be better than the qib everyone else worse the the intel cruiser.
so feds wins twice with one lost with a debatable 2nd place on the lost. now I need to go to bed.
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
And I see no comparison with the Morrigu and Kurak since they both have Intel Bridge Officer seats. The Morrigu has better hull, better shields, singularity abilities, and better bridge officer slotting over the Intel Escort. A Commander Tactical, Lieutenant Commander Engineering, and Lieutenant Commander Universal/Tactical Bridge Officer seats is much better than the Commander Tactical/Intelligence, Lieutenant Commander Tactical, and Lieutenant Commander Engineering. The Intel Escort just has a slightly better turn rate and impulse modifier. Have to say that the Morrigu is better than the Intel Escort. The Kurak has 3 out of 4 Cruiser Commands, 1,000 more hull, and a Lt. Commander Intel/Tactical Bridge Officer slot and Commander Engineering compared to the Intel Cruiser. The Kurak wins in durability. So the Kurak and Qib are both better than the Intel Cruiser. So Feds win once with 2 loses.
The same bag of tricks is the Intelligence Bridge Officer skills. So the Gather Intel which can be useless most of the time, a slightly better cloak, and extra Intel Bridge Officer abilities are the extra since they get a Commander Intel Bridge Offer and Lieutenant Intel Bridge Officer instead of a Lieutenant Commander Intel Bridge Officer or Lieutenant Intel Bridge Officer. So that is 3 extra Intel Bridge Officer abilities compared to the Morrigu and Kurak or 4 extra Intel Bridge Officer abilties for the Aeahl and Mat'ha.
really, don't know how to compare similar types do ya. and we're comparing access to the same skillset which doesn't cover the rest of the seating or turn rate/impulse modifier.
heavy warbird would be compared to cruiser being similar engie heavy types. singularity, battle cloak Lieutenant Commander intel so 3 max intel skills.
intel cruiser. cloak, commander and lieutenant into so 6 max intel. intel gathering which has no hoops to jump though except a little time which if that makes it not count then singularity doesn't count ether. anf two of four cruiser commands. cruiser wins abit barely but 6 is twice a large as 3.
now the kurak, cloak, Lieutenant Commander intel max boff intel 3 again. 3 out of 4 cruiser commands. no speciel function at all. intel cruiser wins again
bonus round for intel escort and a little knowledge of how intel works:
cloak, commander intel and lieutenant intel so again 6 intel boff skills at most. Active Sensor Arrays for intel gathering. and for the lesson I promised, the intel escort is the best ship to slot the oss III Surgical Strikes III combination. which mean both the op moves from intel at the highest levels. escort wins over the crusier lines.
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
yes yes yes!
There's really nothing more to be said on the actual topic, until we know more. As it stands now, we know there are 6 exclusive missions, and two more after that are for all factions - and oddly spaced throughout the existing XP tree. You can be working on two mission arcs simultaneously, the base one your faction uses to level up, and Yesterday's War, which is an all-faction arc that starts at 19th and has spacing of about 10 levels between its missions so far.
Everything else is speculation based on one unsubstantiated statement Geko made, and which he basically contradicted later in the same interview.
That's it. Topic complete.
Now, as to the sub topic - the Wells/Korath/R'Mor/etc are not actually justification for there being factioned versions of the Eternal, Ouruboros and Chronos. The former are from the 29th century, the latter from the 31st. We know by the 29th that the Romulans and Klingons were part of the Federation, but still had their own ships because it was still a fairly recent development. 200 years later, we don't know if the whole thing was completely homogenized or not, but one assumes it would be - and hence we aren't getting faction versions of those ships.
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no i didn't want lib borg but caitians trill rigelians are all species that starfleet know about.
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that's if they stick to the original formula that it was only delta recruits that could not claim the account unlocks for the delta event so it should be that only ToS characters that should not be able to claim account unlocks from AoY event but they should both be able to claim the account unlocks from the opposing events.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
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It's also interesting the TOS sector block includes places we don't go during the Tribble missions. Vulcan, Andoria, Starbase 39-Sierra, the Delphic Region, etc.