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How did Neelix and Kes actually meet?

grylakgrylak Member Posts: 1,594 Arc User
edited June 2016 in Ten Forward
I'm watching Caretaker for the first time in ages, as I've just picked up the Voyager complete boxset. And while Neelix was completely TRIBBLE up a perfectly good negotiation, where the Kazon Maje was actually talking civily and being helpful until Neelix suddenly put a gun to his head and threatened him (remind me again why that got him the role of Diplomat???) it struck me.

If Kes was captured by the Kazon when she got to the surface, and she's less than two years old (I believe she has her second birthday later in the series?), then how did Neelix and Kes meet? And be involved enough for them to fall in love? The Ocompa clearly don't have space tech (at least, the ones in this planet don't). And Neelix clearly never went into the city.


EDIT: Wow. Really? It's censoring TRIBBLE? This word censor is truly overzealous.
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  • marcusdkanemarcusdkane Member Posts: 7,439 Arc User
    Spacebook... Cullah's List... Take your pick ;)B)
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  • sarreoussarreous Member Posts: 336 Arc User
    I think it's something as simple as she ran away, got into trouble/lost in the desert, Neelix happened to be around and saved her, probably the first alien she'd ever met so could have gotten them talking about anything and everything, and the chemistry between them took hold and voila. That she was captured while leaving could be explained by, you know, sneaking out in the middle of the night to meet Neelix? Except this time she walked right into a Kazon scouting party.
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  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,471 Arc User
    They met in kindergarten. He was teaching, she was a student.​​
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  • sarreoussarreous Member Posts: 336 Arc User
    Did a search. So one idea is that they met after she was taken by the Kazon. Neelix not only regularly traded with them, but would also spend the night in their camp. During these times he would interact with Kes, and ultimately took it upon himself to con a starship into helping him to rescue her. As far as head canon goes I think I'll stick with this one myself.
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  • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,965 Arc User
    edited June 2016
    Welcome to the idiocy that is Voyager. God help you.
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  • marcusdkanemarcusdkane Member Posts: 7,439 Arc User
    jonsills wrote: »
    They met in kindergarten. He was teaching, she was a student.​​
    Going from taking the register, to signing one...
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    What type of screwed up person are you?
  • grandnaguszek1grandnaguszek1 Member Posts: 2,188 Arc User
    crashdragon wrote: »
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    They went on the Hirogen hunt honeymoon.

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  • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    The chances are that neelix and kes met up while she was exploring or getting herself into trouble doing so, she mentioned that one of her own worst traits is that she cant help but explore regardless of the risks taken.

    ironically i think what neelix mentioned to kes about his own insecurities about tom paris preying on naive sheltered young women, i think he may have tripped up on his own feet there and gave it away, i suspect neelix may have preyed on kes as a naive sheltered young woman of 6 months old and he lept at the chance, just like a dirty old man and his fantasies come true about a much younger woman and grooming her.

    frankly this topic is fringing into vulgar and objectionable. so i am going to end it there before it really gets disgusting.

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  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,471 Arc User
    Yes, MC, your conjectures certainly are verging on the disgusting. This may be more of a reflection of your imagination than the actual characters involved, however.
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  • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    jonsills wrote: »
    Yes, MC, your conjectures certainly are verging on the disgusting. This may be more of a reflection of your imagination than the actual characters involved, however.

    oh is that why you decided to post, to critique my thoughts rather than focus on the point. really?
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  • grylakgrylak Member Posts: 1,594 Arc User
    sarreous wrote: »
    Did a search. So one idea is that they met after she was taken by the Kazon. Neelix not only regularly traded with them, but would also spend the night in their camp. During these times he would interact with Kes, and ultimately took it upon himself to con a starship into helping him to rescue her. As far as head canon goes I think I'll stick with this one myself.


    This makes sense. I think I'll use this as the explaination. Thanks!


    And yes, it does go into some very dodgy territory. But you can blame the writers on that for making Kes 1 year old. Folks were bound to make jokes and comments of that nature.
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  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,471 Arc User
    Ocampa biology is quite frankly impossible - particularly the statement that each Ocampa female will reproduce once. Given that the reproductive method isn't parthenogenesis, they aren't even able to replace their numbers, even if no Ocampa ever dies of anything besides old age! Each couple having only one child is a recipe for extinction in a matter of generations - and a single-digit number of generations, at that.

    So it deserves nothing more than jokes.​​
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  • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    crashdragon wrote: »
    Thank god for plot holes.

    the janeway character itself was a massive plot hole never mind the show! still when you say love know no bounds, i mean there has to be limits to this. kes was little more than a child when neelix went for her. i would be happy if that particular plothole was never explained to be honest.
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  • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,965 Arc User
    Different species, different aging rates. Klingons are physically mature about the time most humanoids are just hitting puberty, and can live for two centuries assuming they don't end up on the wrong end of a daqtagh. And we know Kes had an eidetic memory, which given Trek's love of the planet of hats can be guessed to be a species-wide trait and would let them learn much faster.

    It's the reproduction nonsense jonsills mentioned that I have a problem with.
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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,008 Arc User
    I keep reading "Netflix and Kes" pig-26.gif...​​
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  • lilchibiclarililchibiclari Member Posts: 1,193 Arc User
    Learning quickly would have to be a species-wide trait for them to have any sort of higher education at all--with a nine-year lifespan, it would have to take no more than four years to go from illiteratcy to a PhD equivalent, to give the now-educated person enough remaining lifespan to pass the knowledge to the following generation.

    Also, I agree on the reproduction thing--each mother has to be capable of having a maximum of at least four children for population to be at all stable (have to compensate for those who don't reproduce at all, as well as the higher mortality rate they doubtless had before they developed medical science).
  • grylakgrylak Member Posts: 1,594 Arc User
    What if there's only one time in their life they can produce kids, but each mother pops out multiple kids at once every time? A species trait that each mother has at least quadlets.
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