Console Port and Lifetime members a few questions?

lordstipe2000 · May 2016

I have a few questions about this console port and have not found the answers so hoping someone has them or a Dev can comment:

1) I have a lifetime membership purchased when STO was still in Beta. Will the associated perks and monthly Zen port over to the console version?

2) A follow up which I am sure has been asked: what about all of our store purchases which can total in the hundreds if not thousands of dollars?

3) A third follow up...if the Zen ports over will it be shared between all access points ie console and PC?

Thanks. I look forward to the console port as a new experience I just am curious what base I will be starting with.

philosophere · May 2016

1 - No
2 - No
3 - Doubtful.

From what I've read it will be a clean start on the consoles.

bobsled624 · May 2016

So....here's the answers that have come out in interviews with salami_inferno as best as can be

1. No
2. Nien
3. Nyet

Accounts on PC and consoles are going to be completely and totally separate.

For the first several months, there are going to be significant systemic differences between the console and PC versions of the game. The Lifetime Subscription you purchased was for STO on the PC. Same with myself.

Look at it like this, if you bought Fallout 4 on Steam and PSN and then go buy the season pass on Steam for the PC version of the game, you're not getting all the DLC for the PS4 version as well. You'll have to buy ANOTHER season pass for the PSN as well. I can't see STO being any different.

storules · May 2016

Wonder if they will be asking for some trouble...an LTS is an LTS no matter what PC or console? Where is the fine print?

philosophere · May 2016

storules wrote: »

Wonder if they will be asking for some lwasuits...an LTS is an LTS no matter what PC or console? For real they better have some "great" lawyers looking into this or lots of people could make millions out of this lawsuit.

Doubtful.

PW/Cryptic are dealing with the big boys now. The lawyers for Microsoft and Sony will have looked over things and made sure everything is as airtight as possible. They would not allow any loopholes that might get in the way of their profits....

bobsled624 · May 2016

@storules.....what are you on about mate? When I bought my Lifetime subscription for Star Trek Online, I bought a lifetime subscription for a PC game.

I didn't buy a Lifetime subscription for Star Trek Online ad infinitum in any and all iterations on all platforms that may ever exist now and forever... I bought a Lifetime Subscription for Star Trek Online on the PC. That was the transaction...and that transaction had terms and conditions attached. No-one, but no-one would have any form of legal ground to even take action on this.

dirlettia · May 2016

Looking at the current pages on Arc you would think that was the case but as of right now it isn't. On none of the pages is there any reference to anything being platform specific ie on subscriptions it just says: http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/7009153

Subscribing to Star Trek will get you great features and benefits such as bonus Inventory and Bank Slots, extra Character Slots, access to more daily Dilithium refinement, a bonus 500 Zen every month, and more!

So maybe it is in the FAQ? Nope nothing here http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/3026713

So in that case it must be on the lifetime page instead then? http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/3026993

Is your mission in Star Trek Online a long-term one? If so, a lifetime subscription is a great way to subscribe to Star Trek Online at one low price. You can play Star Trek Online forever as a Gold member and never pay a monthly subscription fee again!

Nothing there either so I had a peek at the page where you go if you want to renew a subscription as that surely must say it is for only the PC version?

IMPORTANT!
Lifetime subscription covers your subscription fee for as long as the game is in service. Subscription fees are non-refundable. We make no explicit or implicit warranties on the service period of the game.
Once any Lifetime Subscription (LTS) purchase is attempted, any recurring (i.e., monthly) subscription that is active on your account will be removed and replaced by the LTS. Please be aware that no compensation will be given for subscriptions that have already been paid and are cancelled by the LTS.

While the intent is I am sure that it is suposed to be platform specific there is nothing on the site to say about it now, which technically is not surprising since right now there is only one platform for it to be on. Maybe if you looked at Neverwinter you would get a better idea of how subscriptions will likely work and/or be worded?

storules · May 2016

dirlettia wrote: »

Looking at the current pages on Arc you would think that was the case but as of right now it isn't. On none of the pages is there any reference to anything being platform specific ie on subscriptions it just says: http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/7009153

Subscribing to Star Trek will get you great features and benefits such as bonus Inventory and Bank Slots, extra Character Slots, access to more daily Dilithium refinement, a bonus 500 Zen every month, and more!

So maybe it is in the FAQ? Nope nothing here http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/3026713

So in that case it must be on the lifetime page instead then? http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/3026993

Is your mission in Star Trek Online a long-term one? If so, a lifetime subscription is a great way to subscribe to Star Trek Online at one low price. You can play Star Trek Online forever as a Gold member and never pay a monthly subscription fee again!

Nothing there either so I had a peek at the page where you go if you want to renew a subscription as that surely must say it is for only the PC version?

IMPORTANT!
Lifetime subscription covers your subscription fee for as long as the game is in service. Subscription fees are non-refundable. We make no explicit or implicit warranties on the service period of the game.
Once any Lifetime Subscription (LTS) purchase is attempted, any recurring (i.e., monthly) subscription that is active on your account will be removed and replaced by the LTS. Please be aware that no compensation will be given for subscriptions that have already been paid and are cancelled by the LTS.

While the intent is I am sure that it is suposed to be platform specific there is nothing on the site to say about it now, which technically is not surprising since right now there is only one platform for it to be on. Maybe if you looked at Neverwinter you would get a better idea of how subscriptions will likely work and/or be worded?

Watch out for some white knight rain on your parade?

daveyny · May 2016

Just a nit...
It also doesn't specifically say anywhere that a Lifetime Subscription INCLUDES future platform releases.

What isn't listed, is very much as important as what is listed, in a court of law.

No judge will allow assumptions, unless they are backed up by provable facts.

philosophere · May 2016

Please check out this link.... Perfect World Terms of Service

Not a lawyer, but pretty sure there will be no class action suits...

dirlettia · May 2016

daveyny wrote: »

Just a nit...
It also doesn't specifically say anywhere that a Lifetime Subscription INCLUDES future platform releases.

What isn't listed, is very much as important as what is listed, in a court of law.

No judge will allow assumptions, unless they are backed up by provable facts.

Chances are the console versions will be considered different games to the PC version anyway making the question irrelevant as the only thing they share are graphics and story. So any guesses on the new name, Star Trek 2410 maybe?

sheldonlcooper · May 2016

I'm obviously a lifer and don't expect to see this transfer. No big deal for me as I don't see a console in my near future.

I think they would say STO for xbox etc is a different game. It's not STO.

evilmark444 · May 2016

You know, I bet STO on console will be similar to Neverwinter in that there will not be ANY subscription option of any kind. Would kinda put to rest any pc sub transfer argument if subs don't even exist on console, and would allow them to straight sell the liberated borg race on console, along with all vet rewards.

askray · May 2016

Yeah... nice try.

Just because you got Star Trek Online the PC version lifetime access doesn't mean you get Star Trek Online* "the lifetime literally every conceptual design version they come up with access".

When you purchased your lifetime account it was for the PC edition. No, it's not strictly specified but really? You didn't even realize they were doing a console version when you purchased it so no expectation of having lifer access on said consoles should have even been a thought.

talonxv · May 2016

Till PWE gives a hard answer on the subject, all we can do is speculate. Could go either way. Though I wonder how you will have to log into the game from consoles. Will it be through Arc? Or some other way?

If you login through arc, might get the lifetime benefits. If not, the likelihood goes under "not bloody likely".

lordstipe2000 · May 2016

Thanks for the answers and while I really don't care I just wanted to know. I will say they should show some loyalty to those who purchased LTS. I would be happy if they just let us have our veteran rewards.

equinox976 · May 2016

It would be nice if they did. But nobody is entitled to it.

officerbatman81 · May 2016

I'm a limetime subscriber so i should be able to see the new star trek series on CBS all access for free.

daveyny · May 2016

officerbatman81 wrote: »

I'm a limetime subscriber so i should be able to see the new star trek series on CBS all access for free.

Me too!!

Well..., I probably will, but that's a discussion for a different time and place.

jaguarskx · May 2016

talonxv wrote: »

Till PWE gives a hard answer on the subject, all we can do is speculate. Could go either way. Though I wonder how you will have to log into the game from consoles. Will it be through Arc? Or some other way?

If you login through arc, might get the lifetime benefits. If not, the likelihood goes under "not bloody likely".

In last week's Priority One Podcast, Steve Ricossa stated accounts for STO PC and STO consoles are separate from each other. While people who plays STO on the PC are welcomed to play STO on the consoles they need to make a new account. The main goal is of STO console is to get new people to play STO who otherwise would not play the game because they prefer to play games on the console rather than on a PC.

talonxv · May 2016

jaguarskx wrote: »

talonxv wrote: »

Till PWE gives a hard answer on the subject, all we can do is speculate. Could go either way. Though I wonder how you will have to log into the game from consoles. Will it be through Arc? Or some other way?

If you login through arc, might get the lifetime benefits. If not, the likelihood goes under "not bloody likely".

In last week's Priority One Podcast, Steve Ricossa stated accounts for STO PC and STO consoles are separate from each other. While people who plays STO on the PC are welcomed to play STO on the consoles they need to make a new account. The main goal is of STO console is to get new people to play STO who otherwise would not play the game because they prefer to play games on the console rather than on a PC.

Which is sad, but not surprising. Not like I was going to go console anyways, radial menu, PASS.

norhin · May 2016

jaguarskx wrote: »

talonxv wrote: »

Till PWE gives a hard answer on the subject, all we can do is speculate. Could go either way. Though I wonder how you will have to log into the game from consoles. Will it be through Arc? Or some other way?

If you login through arc, might get the lifetime benefits. If not, the likelihood goes under "not bloody likely".

In last week's Priority One Podcast, Steve Ricossa stated accounts for STO PC and STO consoles are separate from each other. While people who plays STO on the PC are welcomed to play STO on the consoles they need to make a new account. The main goal is of STO console is to get new people to play STO who otherwise would not play the game because they prefer to play games on the console rather than on a PC.

so another words, a cash grab from the console kids. otherwise it is a rather weak reason for the investment.

daveyny · May 2016

The "Investment" is to Make More Money...
Not give it away to previous players.

jaguarskx · May 2016

norhin wrote: »

so another words, a cash grab from the console kids. otherwise it is a rather weak reason for the investment.

The goal of an "investment" is to earn a return on money spent on some type of activity or financial instrument. The "investment" is only worthwhile if the long term value of the return is in excess of the initial amount invested.

By your reasoning, putting money into the stock market or into a mutual fund in the attempt allow the money to grow over time so that you will earn a profit is nothing more than a waste of time and effort.

Console Port and Lifetime members a few questions?

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