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Why cant we reclaim items from lobi store? The ships cost more that a cstore ship and the universal consoles arent cheap either, as lobi is account bound so should be the items purchased on the lobi store i now for a new TOS char i will be making have to purchase those consoles and ships if i want them especially the traits on them, we should be able to reclaim them like the cstore on other characters

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  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,693 Arc User
    From what we've heard, CBS only lets Cryptic offer alien ships that do not match your faction if they are kept rare. Account unlocks for them is against Cryptic's agreement. So lobi and lock box ships are character bound, event ships require a grind and are now only offered once.
  • nikeixnikeix Member Posts: 3,972 Arc User
    I'm sort of unconvinced that "CBS says" is anything more than a boogieman used to scare children when we don't want to think the Cryptic has a hand in its own monetization schemes. For specialized ships outside of the dream of being in Starfleet, I'm pretty certain the lockbox sales bring in more money than the C-store sales would.

    In the nearby trait unlocks thread I suggested that once you have a ship trait, your other captains could individually unlock it for 250,000 dilithium :).
  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,693 Arc User
    It's certainly possible no such requirement really exists, but that's the legend we are told . . . .

    I'd gladly pay zen to make lockbox ships account unlocks, I might even pay to be able to re-box a ship into an account-bound box to open with another character. I don't expect either to happen :(
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  • kiralynkiralyn Member Posts: 1,576 Arc User
    edited May 2016
    If they were reclaimable, they'd need to be bound (rather than sellable on the auction). Otherwise, you could just reclaim & sell, over and over. (that said, SWTOR has an interesting system - nearly everything from boxes is sellable, but once you use/bind a specific item, it's recorded in your "collection" and you can pay extra to unlock it for your other characters. As claimable bound items.)
    Don't pretend. Making you have to buy the Lobi ships with Lobi crystals with NO WAY to get those crystals beyond gambling with lockboxes and keys is a way to get you to keep buying keys. It is a money grab, nothing more.

    I guess it depends on perspective - I've always seen Lobi as a "bonus"/insurance item.... like, you've opened a bunch of boxes without getting one of the "cool" random items, but hey! You've also been building up these nice bonus crystals, that you can use to buy a guaranteed thing! Excellent! (As opposed to other games' random boxes, that just give you TRIBBLE when you don't hit the big win).

    But then, I've never opened boxes specifically for the crystals. /shrug I'd think that someone trying to buy a particular Lobi item out of the blue, would just save up EC and get it off the auction or from hiring someone with Lobi to get it for them.
  • nightkennightken Member Posts: 2,824 Arc User
    nixboox wrote: »
    Don't pretend. Making you have to buy the Lobi ships with Lobi crystals with NO WAY to get those crystals beyond gambling with lockboxes and keys is a way to get you to keep buying keys. It is a money grab, nothing more.


    *hides the lobi he got from r&d and doff boxs during event before cryptic founds out*


    if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,572 Arc User
    edited May 2016
    SWTOR also allows you to return items to the Cartel Store (their ZEN Store) after purchase until you decide to give them to a Character. Puts them into a sort of holding area.
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  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,693 Arc User
    nixboox wrote: »
    kiralyn wrote: »
    But then, I've never opened boxes specifically for the crystals. /shrug I'd think that someone trying to buy a particular Lobi item out of the blue, would just save up EC and get it off the auction or from hiring someone with Lobi to get it for them.

    There are LOTS of things in the Lobi store you cannot get in any other way. They're "character bind on pick-up".

    But lobi is account bound, and ships and costumes are only character bound once you open their box. I bought a Paradox off the exchange for EC.

    SWTOR is character bind on equip or unbox, though for many items you can pay extra "zen" (cartel coins) to change that to an account-wide unlock. Not all items though -- the new weapon visual effects are single-character, and armor coloring (dyes) are single-character, single-use consumables.
  • kiralynkiralyn Member Posts: 1,576 Arc User
    nixboox wrote: »
    kiralyn wrote: »
    But then, I've never opened boxes specifically for the crystals. /shrug I'd think that someone trying to buy a particular Lobi item out of the blue, would just save up EC and get it off the auction or from hiring someone with Lobi to get it for them.

    There are LOTS of things in the Lobi store you cannot get in any other way. They're "character bind on pick-up".

    Huh. Ok, guess I've never really paid attention to those things. I've pretty much only bought ships & costumes.
  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,572 Arc User
    There is one ship that is bind to Character on pick-up - the Dyson Science Destroyer. All Ground Weapons and Space Consoles are also as above. All else is unbound while boxed.
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  • fraghul3000fraghul3000 Member Posts: 26 Arc User
    From what we've heard, CBS only lets Cryptic offer alien ships that do not match your faction if they are kept rare. Account unlocks for them is against Cryptic's agreement. So lobi and lock box ships are character bound, event ships require a grind and are now only offered once.

    That arguement was made and made sense in a time when there were only very few non-faction ships. Nowadays, with all those account-wide unlocked event ships, like the Breen, Risian, Ferengi ones or dirt-cheap consolation prize lockbox ships from all those Delta quadrant species, it has become rather moot.
  • nikeixnikeix Member Posts: 3,972 Arc User
    I have difficulty believing CBS would care about such minutia.
  • kiralynkiralyn Member Posts: 1,576 Arc User
    nikeix wrote: »
    I have difficulty believing CBS would care about such minutia.

    It can be surprising what ends up being really important to some manager in a marketing or IP department.
  • dareaudareau Member Posts: 2,390 Arc User
    nikeix wrote: »
    I have difficulty believing CBS would care about such minutia.

    At the time when this was stated (Pre-LoR), CBS was "on record" as being against a situation where someone would pull into ESD and see anything but space littered with "predominantly" faction oriented ships (Read: Fed designs because the only ships allowed in Earth Orbit were the occasional Lockbox bird and KDFs with T3+ Marauding (and their invites).

    Then the first winter event was held, and 25 days later the skies around ESD looked like the Second Breen Invasion.

    And as more lockbox ships are released, it's harder and harder to find the skies over ESD or Q'onos filled with even 1/2 "faction specific" ships, but at the same time except for Scimitar(d)s, the only time the skies are dominated by "one type" of ship is right after a ship-giver event...
    Detecting big-time "anti-old-school" bias here. NX? Lobi. TOS/TMP Connie? Super-promotion-box. (aka the two hardest ways to get ships) Excelsior & all 3 TNG "big hero" ships? C-Store. Please Equalize...

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  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,693 Arc User
    nixboox wrote: »

    But lobi is account bound...

    It is now. They were character bound when they first came out.

    And? That has nothing to do with the current state of the lobi store. Right now if you want to buy a ground weapon it is character bind on pickup but the lobi you use to buy it is account-bound. So move the lobi to the character that you want to give the ground weapon to. Problem solved.
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  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,693 Arc User
    nixboox wrote: »

    And? That has nothing to do with the current state of the lobi store. Right now if you want to buy a ground weapon it is character bind on pickup but the lobi you use to buy it is account-bound. So move the lobi to the character that you want to give the ground weapon to. Problem solved.

    You don't seem to understand the "problem".

    And you seem to insist on making random off-topic swipes at Cryptic/PWE. What does lobi being character bound years ago have to do with the game as it is now, or could be in the future? Answer: nothing at all.

  • terranempire#7881 terranempire Member Posts: 1,222 Arc User
    Be nice you two. Lobi costumes and ground weapons need to be account unlocks at the very least.
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