I know if it's just TOS feds, I won't commit at all. If I can't play alongside Kor and Kang at some point or some Romulan content then it's just catering to one faction. I want Klingon story like Klingon Academy. And bring back Christopher Plummer for Chang.
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... OK, thats not REALLY how I feel, I honestly just feel this particular expansion lends itself better to being Federation only. That said, if its true that we'll be joining the existing Federation faction at level 10 then there's really no excuse to exclude Klinks and Rommies, since that's just a small handful of missions and a $130 DLC purchase with an "Expansion" label slapped on it. People blasted Delta Rising, but at least it had a significant number of missions (ie, content), even if the majority were patrol missions.
And your idea is an amazing idea to give those same people chocolate ice cream. And is a wonderful way of getting them that chocolate ice cream. But this expansion is still looking to give people vanilla instead.
And none of that has anything to do with ToS, and thus, has nothing to do with a ToS expansion.
That's just fanfiction set after ToS, which obviously wouldn't be covered in a ToS based expansion.
Actually it IS vanilla and TOS but its also only 30s of thought by one man... Cryptic has had at least 18months and a full team.
Just because it aint on the USS Enterprise, doesn't mean it aint TOS.
Nah, it's not the vanilla here. The vanilla in my analogy is 2270 Starfleet. The extension of Kirk, Spock and McCoy. Everything else is added flavor. This project seeks only to capture the plain vanilla flavor.
Your idea's a fine idea. Your idea isn't what they're making. Maybe they will add something like your idea later. Maybe they'll work on something like that separately. That would be vanilla chocolate swirl or Neopolitan.
Right now, they say they're making vanilla.
Balance of Terror is one of my favorite Trek episodes across the entire 50 years. So I'd be interested in them doing more with Romulans from that time period. I just don't think that's going to happen with this project.
I think the rub here then is "What defines TOS" and for me its not about Starfleet or the ships or the pew pew. TOS was the story, exploring variations on humanity and how we could be better than we are, etc etc etc. Exploring how another species, say Romulan or Klingon goes about X and how they see Y and react to Starfleet can provide a very stark backdrop for that exploration of humanity.
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TOS was about possibilities. It's not about Humanity or the Federation or Starfleet. It's about what's out there, how we relate to it, how it relates to us, how it relates to others in its own itness, and how it relates to others outside its own itness.
Actually, it kind of does. That is the point of all this. This expansion is all about people getting to play in the TOS, That many fans grew up on. And unfortunately, in TOS Klingons and Romulans were not that well developed. So anything you add, is either your own artistic license or extrapolation from TNG era. Not bad, but not the same as giving someone that TOS feel.
Apparently you've never read any of the TOS novels.
Actually, it kind of does. That is the point of all this. This expansion is all about people getting to play in the TOS, That many fans grew up on. And unfortunately, in TOS Klingons and Romulans were not that well developed. So anything you add, is either your own artistic license or extrapolation from TNG era. Not bad, but not the same as giving someone that TOS feel.
Apparently you've never read any of the TOS novels.
Fiction that happens to be set in the same time period is not TOS though.
Actually, it kind of does. That is the point of all this. This expansion is all about people getting to play in the TOS, That many fans grew up on. And unfortunately, in TOS Klingons and Romulans were not that well developed. So anything you add, is either your own artistic license or extrapolation from TNG era. Not bad, but not the same as giving someone that TOS feel.
Apparently you've never read any of the TOS novels.
I have. I rather enjoy them quite a bit. But that's not what they're making this expansion out of.
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It's not easy to answer this question. Should they include them in the way the expansion pans out to be? No, that wouldn't make sense. In principle? Of course. You have a multifaction game, make it multifaction and don't say "it's too much work to make content for all factions" - at that point your game basically failed, shut it down.
But that's clearly wrong. Cryptic already said many years ago that making faction-specific content is the way of the dodo. They are not doing it anymore, outside of expansions they cross-finance with expensive ship packages.
Does the game look failed to you, like something you better close? Is that something you actually would want, just because they don't release faction-specific missions anymore? Or isn't it still fun flying around in a Klingon or Romulan ship and blowing up Tholians, Borg, Na'Khul or whatever? Engaging in a little Bat'leth fight? Was it really unenjoyable to see a Klingon officer lead us around Ancient Iconia and find a path to a cease-fire without risking all of history?
Should we really give up all of that just because it's not viable to release constant streams of faction-specific content?
I think not. So I dismiss your claim. Just because a game isn't perfect and we can't get everything doesn't mean we have to give it up. It's not a binary choice.
THIS team could not have managed the task. Parsing Geko's explanation, it is clear that Cryptic does not have the necessary resources to support such an undertaking, and further, lacks the creative freedom to fill in blanks sufficiently to accomplish it.
If this game had 5 times the resources it had, should that really change the faction distribution of content, if the (paying) player distribution for content doesn't change?
I think not. Even if this game would suddenly get 3 times more paying players, that doesn't mean the 2nd and 3rd extra would be wisely spend on Klingon or Romulan content exclusively. No, unless the ratio of faction population remains the same, so will the investment on Cryptic's side. Anything else would be irresponsible.
You really don't get it do you?
Geko said "Players start losing interest after three months."
He didn't bother to go into why-it takes about that long to burn out from repeating the same content for most people, and repetition is the heart of what the Devs have presented since 2013, when they reorganized rewards in the queues to allow anyone willing to stomach 1000 plus replays of ISA to get the STF rewards.
And that's why they have to release something new at least every 3 months. I am not sure how you think the rest of your post has any relevance to that, though. I just don't see any actual logical conclusions in your post, and it doesn't help that repeat them dozens of times in walls of text.
The excuse "Starfleet is the proportional majority" is just that, an excuse for pursuing the lowest-common-denominator in terms of game mechanics and development on a meta level.
"Lowest common denominator" is generally a trait pursued by shovelware outfits looking to make a fast buck, then close teh doors before the customers realize they've been had. it generally has catastrophic results for any associated IP materials joined to such actions.
If faction-agnostic content, mirrored classes and the like are a sign of shovelware, I think WoW or ToR seem to be shovelware, too.
The real, core finance problem, is that we have a lead developer who doesn't know how to get the most free-spending portion of the Star Trek fanbase to spend money in his Star Trek game. That is a problem. That he doesn't know how to run a multi-faction setting so that even minorities among the playerbase are profitable, is also a problem.
But Cryptic does know how to get its money. All those ship packs prove that they have found a way how to get our money.
You just don't like that it works this way, and instead redefine what is working for them as failure.
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I think they should of, but I can understand why they didn't.
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But that's clearly wrong. Cryptic already said many years ago that making faction-specific content is the way of the dodo. They are not doing it anymore, outside of expansions they cross-finance with expensive ship packages.
That doesn't change my stance. Yes, they decided long ago to not develop content for all their factions any more. Which completely defeats the purpose of having factions in the first place - the game model failed at this point.
Does the game look failed to you, like something you better close? Is that something you actually would want, just because they don't release faction-specific missions anymore? Or isn't it still fun flying around in a Klingon or Romulan ship and blowing up Tholians, Borg, Na'Khul or whatever? Engaging in a little Bat'leth fight? Was it really unenjoyable to see a Klingon officer lead us around Ancient Iconia and find a path to a cease-fire without risking all of history?
Should we really give up all of that just because it's not viable to release constant streams of faction-specific content?
I think your misunderstood, I'm not actively rooting to shut STO down, after all I'm still getting joy out of it. But I stand by the notion that they just as well could do so as the games' premise failed at this point. Flying around is still fun, but all the points you mentioned are, in my opinion, indeed not adequate substitutes for true multifaction gameplay. The game is stale and repetetive, multifaction gameplay secures replayability and longevity. And it's not a constant stream of content we are talking about, it is supporting all factions at all. RvR mechanic, dynamic adventure and battlezones, something open-ended for everyone, not closed and static singleplayer missions. To me, the story episodes are actually the lesser enjoyable part of the game.
I think not. So I dismiss your claim. Just because a game isn't perfect and we can't get everything doesn't mean we have to give it up. It's not a binary choice.
It's your choice. I do not support this game financially as I am dissatisfied with it in it's core. That could change at one point, maybe it doesn't, who knows.
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I don't think they should make the full expansion available to KDF or Rom. When LoR was released, the full expansion was not available to Fed and KDF, you had to choose the new faction, just as you do now. Even my current Fed main can't complete the bulk of this expansion's content, none of what's been released or even announced so far.
I do think some content should be released to all 3 factions, and this is what has been stated as happening.
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Gecko said in his latest interview (May 2016) that even if They had the resources to make three different TOS Arcs for the game, They wouldn't have anyway.
The reason being because the Original Series didn't include enough stuff to fully flesh out both the Klingons & Romulans of that time period.
He also said that Cryptic wasn't going to create new stuff on Their own, knowing that it could be possibly contradicted later by new movies and TV shows.
This doesn't eliminate the possibility that if in fact, new stuff IS created for that time period (in new movies/TV shows), They could still add it to the game in the future.
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Gecko said in his latest interview (May 2016) that even if They had the resources to make three different TOS Arcs for the game, They wouldn't have anyway.
The reason being because the Original Series didn't include enough stuff to fully flesh out both the Klingons & Romulans of that time period.
He also said that Cryptic wasn't going to create new stuff on Their own, knowing that it could be possibly contradicted later by new movies and TV shows.
This doesn't eliminate that fact that if new stuff IS created for that time period (in new movies/TV shows), They could still add it to the game. in the future
Those are BS arguments. Really, Geko should not talk about those things, it only makes things worse.
1) Didn't include stuff to fully flesh out. That is true. However, you (adressing Geko/Cryptic in a open letter style, not you daveyny ) make that stuff up. That's your thing creating this game and you did it already all the time in the past. Where's the problem now?
2) As before, they already created their own stuff that will be contradicted by new stuff whenever a new movie or show in the 24th or 25th century comes around. That's the nature of things, Geko cannot seriously assume what they do with STO is supposed to be canon and forever. Every single company creating a Star Trek game develop their own take on the universe, STO is no different.
3) I agree, they could always add it later. However, even if they don't, Geko is spouting nonsense.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
Well, it's his nonsense to spout since he pretty much is the person who is the public face of the Dev. Team.
He also claimed that Cryptic as a whole (the Team) decided to proceed in this manner.
Sorry if I made it seem like he alone was the arbitrator of this decision.
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Well, it's his nonsense to spout since he pretty much is the person who is the public face of the Dev. Team.
He also claimed that Cryptic as a whole (the Team) decided to proceed in this manner.
Sorry if I made it seem like he alone was the arbitrator of this decision.
As you said, he's the spokesperson. Of course the whole decision is nonsensical. To be clear, I personally think it wouldn't be a problem if they would just be honest. But all this nonsensical reasoning and PR talk really gets on my nerves.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
One huge difference between then and now is debuting in January 2017. Obviously that's speculation on my part. But that could be a contributing factor in terms of what they can and can't do going forward. This expansion seems to be tied directly into one specific slice of Star Trek and the goal appears to be to tickle the nostalgia of the 1960s Trek. With a new show coming out, that speculation says may jump around from season to season into different time periods, it could very well be that they have limitations on what they can make up that they didn't have prior.
I wouldn't have been "an extra mile". It would have been three times the length of the journey. The factions did not mix in the TOS era. The Romulans would need their own sector block, ships and storyline. Same with the KDF. It would be three expansions.
Also, yes its the Feds all over again but they were what TOS was about. Klingon-centric episodes is not a thing before TNG.
One huge difference between then and now is debuting in January 2017. Obviously that's speculation on my part. But that could be a contributing factor in terms of what they can and can't do going forward. This expansion seems to be tied directly into one specific slice of Star Trek and the goal appears to be to tickle the nostalgia of the 1960s Trek. With a new show coming out, that speculation says may jump around from season to season into different time periods, it could very well be that they have limitations on what they can make up that they didn't have prior.
I don't know.
Cryptic already stated that they won't include new content of the 2017 show EDIT: NOW or in the near future as their release schedule already stands up until and past this point. So if they were planning TOS to just fill the time until they can put in the new stuff it wouldn't really work.
I know that the show is something STO desperately want to get on board with and if the rumours are true STO will even get JJ stuff soon - but I find it's a pity as it seems that Cryptic completely scraps just doing their own story in favour of simple canon recognition.
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^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
One huge difference between then and now is debuting in January 2017. Obviously that's speculation on my part. But that could be a contributing factor in terms of what they can and can't do going forward. This expansion seems to be tied directly into one specific slice of Star Trek and the goal appears to be to tickle the nostalgia of the 1960s Trek. With a new show coming out, that speculation says may jump around from season to season into different time periods, it could very well be that they have limitations on what they can make up that they didn't have prior.
I don't know.
Cryptic already stated that they won't include new content of the 2017 show as their release schedule already stands up until and past this point. So if they were planning TOS to just fill the time until they can put in the new stuff it wouldn't really work.
I know that the show is something STO desperately want to get on board with and if the rumours are true STO will even get JJ stuff soon - but I find it's a pity as it seems that Cryptic completely scraps just doing their own story in favour of simple canon recognition.
That's not what Gecko said at all.
He said They were in discussion's with CBS about the new series and that anything created by the Trek-2017 production between now and when it airs, wouldn't be in the game.
He never said that They wouldn't include stuff from the new show.
And I'd bet my bippy that as soon as Cryptic gets the OK from CBS and the production of the show starts to ramp up, the Dev's. will be white-boarding and holding meetings on just how fast They can get it into the game.
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One huge difference between then and now is debuting in January 2017. Obviously that's speculation on my part. But that could be a contributing factor in terms of what they can and can't do going forward. This expansion seems to be tied directly into one specific slice of Star Trek and the goal appears to be to tickle the nostalgia of the 1960s Trek. With a new show coming out, that speculation says may jump around from season to season into different time periods, it could very well be that they have limitations on what they can make up that they didn't have prior.
I don't know.
Cryptic already stated that they won't include new content of the 2017 show as their release schedule already stands up until and past this point. So if they were planning TOS to just fill the time until they can put in the new stuff it wouldn't really work.
They will not include it now, but at a point in the future they might.
I would hate if Cryptic were to hold back up creating new original story just because there is a chance a future series will contradict it. But then, Cryptic has been - for a long time now, basically - been busy more fleshing out known stuff instead actually creating real new major characters or factions. It could very well be become more so, especially if the new CBS series (e.g. the series by the people granting STO the license to be a Star Trek game) is starting. But it will necessarily take some time until the series and the game story can join or share material in any way.
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As much as I would like to say yes, the KDF and Romulan factions should be in the AoY expansion... ultimately, I have to say no.
The reason is because I doubt CBS would allow a game to dictate Klingon and Romulan society in an era when very little is known about them. I am sure CBS will like to keep that way until they decide to flesh out the inner working of those empires themselves, perhaps in the new upcoming Star Trek TV series.
Could the expansion be at a different point in time so that it would make sense that Klingons and Romulans would be part of the expansion? I suppose, but that would likely have to be in the TNG era or later. But that would not coincide with the 50th Anniversary of the original series.
Upcoming Klingon Tv series...? Yeah, I wouldn't hold my breath for one.
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In terms of new single player content and a new fed faction, I'm fine with that personally. What ticks me off is the 'temporal fed ships can be used by old feds' and all KDF and Rommies get are 2 fed looking cross faction ships. People who have been to tribble know there's content there the devs could exploit to even the tables a little in that regard, so its not entirely out of the question that it may still happen. Until devs confirm otherwise I chose to remain hopeful, though not expectant, after all more ships were added to the Delta ops bundle after announcement as well.
Poll needs an "I don't care" option. You cannot accurately represent the player base without acknowledging those who have no strong feelings about this either way. Lack of interest diminishes profitability, no matter how SUPER SERIOUS one person is about their pet issue.
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... OK, thats not REALLY how I feel, I honestly just feel this particular expansion lends itself better to being Federation only. That said, if its true that we'll be joining the existing Federation faction at level 10 then there's really no excuse to exclude Klinks and Rommies, since that's just a small handful of missions and a $130 DLC purchase with an "Expansion" label slapped on it. People blasted Delta Rising, but at least it had a significant number of missions (ie, content), even if the majority were patrol missions.
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Apparently you've never read any of the TOS novels.
Fiction that happens to be set in the same time period is not TOS though.
I have. I rather enjoy them quite a bit. But that's not what they're making this expansion out of.
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If faction-agnostic content, mirrored classes and the like are a sign of shovelware, I think WoW or ToR seem to be shovelware, too.
But Cryptic does know how to get its money. All those ship packs prove that they have found a way how to get our money.
You just don't like that it works this way, and instead redefine what is working for them as failure.
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That doesn't change my stance. Yes, they decided long ago to not develop content for all their factions any more. Which completely defeats the purpose of having factions in the first place - the game model failed at this point.
I think your misunderstood, I'm not actively rooting to shut STO down, after all I'm still getting joy out of it. But I stand by the notion that they just as well could do so as the games' premise failed at this point. Flying around is still fun, but all the points you mentioned are, in my opinion, indeed not adequate substitutes for true multifaction gameplay. The game is stale and repetetive, multifaction gameplay secures replayability and longevity. And it's not a constant stream of content we are talking about, it is supporting all factions at all. RvR mechanic, dynamic adventure and battlezones, something open-ended for everyone, not closed and static singleplayer missions. To me, the story episodes are actually the lesser enjoyable part of the game.
It's your choice. I do not support this game financially as I am dissatisfied with it in it's core. That could change at one point, maybe it doesn't, who knows.
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I do think some content should be released to all 3 factions, and this is what has been stated as happening.
The reason being because the Original Series didn't include enough stuff to fully flesh out both the Klingons & Romulans of that time period.
He also said that Cryptic wasn't going to create new stuff on Their own, knowing that it could be possibly contradicted later by new movies and TV shows.
This doesn't eliminate the possibility that if in fact, new stuff IS created for that time period (in new movies/TV shows), They could still add it to the game in the future.
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Those are BS arguments. Really, Geko should not talk about those things, it only makes things worse.
1) Didn't include stuff to fully flesh out. That is true. However, you (adressing Geko/Cryptic in a open letter style, not you daveyny
2) As before, they already created their own stuff that will be contradicted by new stuff whenever a new movie or show in the 24th or 25th century comes around. That's the nature of things, Geko cannot seriously assume what they do with STO is supposed to be canon and forever. Every single company creating a Star Trek game develop their own take on the universe, STO is no different.
3) I agree, they could always add it later. However, even if they don't, Geko is spouting nonsense.
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He also claimed that Cryptic as a whole (the Team) decided to proceed in this manner.
Sorry if I made it seem like he alone was the arbitrator of this decision.
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As you said, he's the spokesperson. Of course the whole decision is nonsensical. To be clear, I personally think it wouldn't be a problem if they would just be honest. But all this nonsensical reasoning and PR talk really gets on my nerves.
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One huge difference between then and now is debuting in January 2017. Obviously that's speculation on my part. But that could be a contributing factor in terms of what they can and can't do going forward. This expansion seems to be tied directly into one specific slice of Star Trek and the goal appears to be to tickle the nostalgia of the 1960s Trek. With a new show coming out, that speculation says may jump around from season to season into different time periods, it could very well be that they have limitations on what they can make up that they didn't have prior.
I don't know.
I wouldn't have been "an extra mile". It would have been three times the length of the journey. The factions did not mix in the TOS era. The Romulans would need their own sector block, ships and storyline. Same with the KDF. It would be three expansions.
Also, yes its the Feds all over again but they were what TOS was about. Klingon-centric episodes is not a thing before TNG.
Cryptic already stated that they won't include new content of the 2017 show EDIT: NOW or in the near future as their release schedule already stands up until and past this point. So if they were planning TOS to just fill the time until they can put in the new stuff it wouldn't really work.
I know that the show is something STO desperately want to get on board with and if the rumours are true STO will even get JJ stuff soon - but I find it's a pity as it seems that Cryptic completely scraps just doing their own story in favour of simple canon recognition.
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That's not what Gecko said at all.
He said They were in discussion's with CBS about the new series and that anything created by the Trek-2017 production between now and when it airs, wouldn't be in the game.
He never said that They wouldn't include stuff from the new show.
And I'd bet my bippy that as soon as Cryptic gets the OK from CBS and the production of the show starts to ramp up, the Dev's. will be white-boarding and holding meetings on just how fast They can get it into the game.
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I would hate if Cryptic were to hold back up creating new original story just because there is a chance a future series will contradict it. But then, Cryptic has been - for a long time now, basically - been busy more fleshing out known stuff instead actually creating real new major characters or factions. It could very well be become more so, especially if the new CBS series (e.g. the series by the people granting STO the license to be a Star Trek game) is starting. But it will necessarily take some time until the series and the game story can join or share material in any way.
The reason is because I doubt CBS would allow a game to dictate Klingon and Romulan society in an era when very little is known about them. I am sure CBS will like to keep that way until they decide to flesh out the inner working of those empires themselves, perhaps in the new upcoming Star Trek TV series.
Could the expansion be at a different point in time so that it would make sense that Klingons and Romulans would be part of the expansion? I suppose, but that would likely have to be in the TNG era or later. But that would not coincide with the 50th Anniversary of the original series.
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