Thanks for the Kemocite fix Bort :-)

nateham101 · March 2016

Just did a quick Kemocite Laced Weaponry III test on Tribble. Went over to the Japori System and ran that patrol on Advanced.

Before the fix, my Kemocite was pulling a whopping 600-700 DPS in Conduit Advanced. Below is a screenshot of my parser after testing it out on a patrol map.

Ship I am using is a Fleet T6 Battlecruiser. Engineer Captain level 60. Main abilities are FAW III, Spread II with OSS I and EPTW I. I just threw some points in the new skill tree real quick to get this done. I know 33k is not that great of DPS, didn't have a lot of time to set up the build and i was not able to get into a Starbase 24 but the fix to kemocite is very noticeable and that's what I was trying to test.

Here is a screenshot of the parser from that quick run:

http://imgur.com/DAokrI2

genemorph · March 2016

Did you notice if you take any damage from your own Kemocite explosion?

Haven't tested it recently, but did report back about Kemocite and possibly the Quantum Phase Torp causing damage to self if you are in range.

nateham101 · March 2016

I did not notice that. I do not believe I was. Was that something that happened in the past? I have been within 3km of targets and remained undamaged. Even with a kemocite spread II using Quantum Phase Torpedo and FAW going off at point blank, there was no splash damage.

I have not tried it with my Neutronic Torp yet, but I doubt that would be any different. Maybe they fixed it

I do know one thing for sure, Kemocite was fixed. I had to replace that ability with something else on holodeck because of how broken it was. Hard to believe that just giving its ability to crit again would make such a difference, but it did!

I was going to add my 2 Embassy plasma proc consoles to the build, but even with those 2, they would only add around 1500 additional DPS to my total. I opted to keep my crit % crit severity and resistance consoles equipped.

genemorph · March 2016

I noticed this happening a while ago, and kemocite damage against me was showing up in my parse logs in different elite patrols. My shields were getting decimated if I fired quantum phase torps with kemocite at close range, but it wouldn't happen every time, but definitely several times during a patrol. I couldn't pin down why it was self proc'ing on some occasions but not others. Haven't tested this for a while to see if it got fixed. Wasn't in the patch notes though.

borticuscryptic · March 2016

@genemorph If any of the NPCs in that content are using Confuse effects, your procs will not know friend from foe. Any chance that's what was happening?

genemorph · March 2016

borticuscryptic wrote: »

@genemorph If any of the NPCs in that content are using Confuse effects, your procs will not know friend from foe. Any chance that's what was happening?

It's possible. But I saw this effect in 4 different elite patrols, and usually the npc confuse effect turns their name tags blue (i.e. making them untargetable), which I didn't see at the time. I tried to figure out why this was happening only sometimes, but was unable to pin it down. However it definitely had something to do with the Quantum phase torp + TS3 + Kemocite combo. The kemocite was causing self-damage, and I think the Quantum phase torp was also causing damage as I saw its signature black text appearing on my character's ship, however that damage wasn't recorded in my parse logs (only the kemocite showed up as self damage).

nateham101 · March 2016

Sounds like you might be affected by confuse. I have noticed that in any content that is set to elite. If you do try it again, let me know and ill jump into an elite patrol myself. I normally run on normal or advanced and never seen that happen.

nateham101 · March 2016

genemorph wrote: »

I noticed this happening a while ago, and kemocite damage against me was showing up in my parse logs in different elite patrols. My shields were getting decimated if I fired quantum phase torps with kemocite at close range, but it wouldn't happen every time, but definitely several times during a patrol. I couldn't pin down why it was self proc'ing on some occasions but not others. Haven't tested this for a while to see if it got fixed. Wasn't in the patch notes though.

I will check the parse log for dmg I took and see if there is any kemocite dmg to myself. If there is, I will link the log for you.

EDIT:

Here are 2 screenshots of my log for my Kemocite test run. I do not see any damage from Kemocite to myself. This was Japori Advanced Patrol.

http://imgur.com/cMGSfds
http://imgur.com/NotqMNU

borticuscryptic · March 2016

nateham101#2745 wrote: »

http://imgur.com/DAokrI2

So, is ~3k DPS normal for your Kemocite experience? I'm curious if this fix may have at all been an unintentional buff. Kemocite didn't need a buff, just a fix.

genemorph · March 2016

My Kemocite is doing the about the same damage as holodeck approx. 450 dps with beams and torp spreads (in a patrol), about double that in an STF (holodeck). 3K dps sounds like the old values before target hits got changed.

nateham101 · March 2016

borticuscryptic wrote: »

nateham101#2745 wrote: »

http://imgur.com/DAokrI2

So, is ~3k DPS normal for your Kemocite experience? I'm curious if this fix may have at all been an unintentional buff. Kemocite didn't need a buff, just a fix.

That 3k included Torpedo spreads mainly with ALL of my tactical cooldown popped. When I tested it with just the weapons, it was around 1.5k. On holodeck now, the most I can get out of it @borticuscryptic is around 700. Very low considering the rarity and price of this ability. I would think giving it back the ability to crit would bring it to around 1500-2000.

And this was Kemocite Laced Weaponry III. Not II like my OP stated. Embassy console procs should not be out performing Kemocite at all...

nateham101 · March 2016

genemorph wrote: »

My Kemocite is doing the about the same damage as holodeck approx. 450 dps with beams and torp spreads (in a patrol), about double that in an STF (holodeck). 3K dps sounds like the old values before target hits got changed.

I'm averaging about 1500 right now on tribble. that 3k number I parsed just happened to be a lucky collection of events that took place. Good sized group of targets, well placed torp spreads and every tactical ability cooldown engaged including FAW III.

On holodeck, I would be lucky to achieve 750 dps from Kemocite. Single embassy console procs are higher than that. That is a problem, considering the rarity and price of any version of kemocite.

nateham101 · March 2016

@borticuscryptic

Here is the results today of the same Patrol run: Japori System Advanced, using Kemocite III every time it was off cooldown. Of course, Reciprocity does help it cooldown a little faster.

Single target damage with Kemocite would be lower. Like @genemorph stated above, maybe around 450-500 dps. The high numbers we get from it are from striking multiple targets with FAW and Torpedo Spreads.

http://imgur.com/IuunrjV

@borticuscryptic @genemorph

Here is a screenshot of a parser taken before the Kemocite fixes came into play on Holodeck...This screenshot shows that Kemocite was pushing around 5.5k+

http://imgur.com/nGlXxy4

And another at over 6.7K

http://imgur.com/OLFE2EF

So I would argue that Kemocite being around 2-3k that it is on Tribble now seems to be where it should be,

eldritchx · March 2016

I'll parse it again when I get home later, but several parses I did with Kemo3 and an 8 cannon build yielded from 6k-14k dps and nothing less before the resistance fix patch went in. This is with a pin and spike build running scatter volley though. I recall a high crit of around 35k for a single Kemo3 hit in one parse too, against elite enemies.

Thanks for the Kemocite fix Bort :-)

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