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tinkerbelch
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So Mines have major disadvantages:
long cooldown, multiple slotting does not help much
long activation time after being dropped
short range 2km, 3km(photon)
slow travel speed
easily destroyed
mines self destruct after a while
They don't share tactical consoles with torpedoes unless they are same damage type (just make a console for kinetic ,ie. both torps and mines)
I propose designing modes to switch between around these weaknesses. Maybe right click on the mine slot and change mode.
For example these modes:
Rapid:
12 sec cooldown reduction
This will effectively make this a powerful short range kinetic weapon. Still is a 5 second activation after the mine is dropped, so if a npc or
person noticing these dropping stays within 2km they are asking for trouble. Also some types will spam out faster like photon with shorter
base cooldown. And Web mines will still have a significant cooldown remaining
Ecm:
very defense values and generates extra fake mines around the real ones
Besides being hard to target and kill this would be an effective damage soak against Fire-at-will and some AOE.
Range:
10km activation range
Mines have full 10km range activation (think loading them with extra fuel and sensors). I don't think this is OP. They still have to slowly travel and take forever to reach a far away target. They are still easy to outrun or destroy.
But this needs to not track cloaked ships over the normal detection range. That would be OP to just drop these around where you think cloaked ships are.
I am not sure if changing mode should be limited to outside mission. Or allow changing when not in combat (red alert). Either way, I think this would bring mines up to par and be able to adapt to the mission. I think we can agree mines need some TLC
What do you think?
long cooldown, multiple slotting does not help much
long activation time after being dropped
short range 2km, 3km(photon)
slow travel speed
easily destroyed
mines self destruct after a while
They don't share tactical consoles with torpedoes unless they are same damage type (just make a console for kinetic ,ie. both torps and mines)
I propose designing modes to switch between around these weaknesses. Maybe right click on the mine slot and change mode.
For example these modes:
Rapid:
12 sec cooldown reduction
This will effectively make this a powerful short range kinetic weapon. Still is a 5 second activation after the mine is dropped, so if a npc or
person noticing these dropping stays within 2km they are asking for trouble. Also some types will spam out faster like photon with shorter
base cooldown. And Web mines will still have a significant cooldown remaining
Ecm:
very defense values and generates extra fake mines around the real ones
Besides being hard to target and kill this would be an effective damage soak against Fire-at-will and some AOE.
Range:
10km activation range
Mines have full 10km range activation (think loading them with extra fuel and sensors). I don't think this is OP. They still have to slowly travel and take forever to reach a far away target. They are still easy to outrun or destroy.
But this needs to not track cloaked ships over the normal detection range. That would be OP to just drop these around where you think cloaked ships are.
I am not sure if changing mode should be limited to outside mission. Or allow changing when not in combat (red alert). Either way, I think this would bring mines up to par and be able to adapt to the mission. I think we can agree mines need some TLC
What do you think?
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Multi-mode-toggle-mines is too complicated, it will never happen. More plausible buffs are increasing their range and damage. Increasing launch speed or time before death sounds nice but having more objects in an area might make lag worse.
Also Not sure what should happen if more than one mine is slotted.
Even then...they still have to many disadvantages...they're slow traveling...slow to activate...easy to destroy...easy to spot...range sucks...long cooldown and shared cooldown.
They just have far to many problems...they need to be redone...if I had to choose one from the OP...I'd like the ECM one.
Don't get me wrong, Dispersal Pattern Alpha and Beta are both well-thought out. But the problem is:
- Alpha: you never, ever have an NPC pursuing your ship where multiple waves of mines will work magic, and in PvP, everybody just sneezes them apart anyway
- Beta: Great power. Just a shame that the top mines are usually too far out of range to hit a target in the center of the field.
- Their ranks. Mine powers start at Lieutenant for Dispersal Patter I on both powers. Considering there are far more efficient powers from there on anyway, I find it hard to find a lot of people justifying using mine powers.
What I would suggest would be to buff the damage output and detection range of mines to, say, 5 kilometer, and to make them undestructable as soon as they locked on a target. You can destroy them when they are floating around, but as soon as they lock on to you, they effectively become torpedoes.
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Mines do share damage bonus with their Torpedo counterparts. Transphasic Mines / Breen Clusters are buffed with a generic Mine damage console or with Transphasic damage specific ones. This persists with the other Mine damage types.
An example were Transphasic Torpedo Boats. Specializing in Transphasic projectiles (mines AND torpedoes), their consoles, bonus cater to that damage type. Various Transphasic Torpedoes in the game as well as Transphasic Mines and Breen Clusters all got that same damage buff. This was why for a dedicated Transphasic Boat people put up with the lousy Breen Space Set to have that Transphasic bonus.
The only Mine Launcher I know that is left on it's own is the Nukara Web Mine Launcher. But that got stealth nerfed a month or so before Delta Rising came out in late '14.