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Almost everyone (and their alts) are Fleet Admiral...? Really?!

stoltsstolts Member Posts: 482 Arc User
Does anyone else think this odd, or have a problem with it?

The Cut-off should be Captain. I mean even the advertisements say "YOU are the Captain!". If you start or join a Fleet THEN it makes sense for those admiral ranks to be given out. If you aren't in a Fleet then Captain you shall stay. Nothing wrong with that. Captains get most if not all the action as well as the ladies AND can still command the best ships ;) Then ground combat along with SO MANY other things (like lower ranking officers giving you orders? Lol!) will fit more in line, make sense even. Replaying episodes would also still be immersive and valid. Fleet Admiral providing limo service for a dime-a-dozen trader to Starbase 39? Ya... no. How about a high profile Fleet Admiral doing lower level intelligence grunt work and a little gambling on the side in Drozana? Try again. A Captain however, would fit the bill for all these things.

It should be...
Cadet (1-9)
Ensign (10-19)
Lieutenant (20-29)
Lt. Commander (30-39)
Commander (40-49)
Captain (50-60)

You cannot create or join a Fleet until you reach Captain rank. Fleets should be part of endgame content. Yes I said it! The initiator/creator of the Fleet then becomes the Fleet Admiral. The co-founders become the Admirals or if the co-founders leave after creation then the Fleet Admiral can choose 4 people MAX to fill those positions. Vice Admiral, Rear Admiral (Lower/Upper) and Commodore ranks for everyone else that qualifies and or proves themselves to the Fleet's members as described in their charter. Likewise if you leave a fleet you lose those ranks. But you will always be a Captain. So Admiral ranks become more of social rank befitting their roles within a Fleet. And yes fleet ranks become set and cannot be renamed.

None of this join the "Power Puff Girls" fleet with Bestest Friend, Best Friend, Family Friend, Good Friend, Friend, and Acquiantance for ranks >.<
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The first Belfast was commanded by Captain Ve'Kal Shon until its destruction in 2409. A new ship was commissioned bearing the same name and registry as special dispensation to then newly promoted Captain Edward XIII for his pivotal role during the renewed Dominion War.
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    rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,152 Community Moderator
    Its just a game mechanic to denote level. I personally still show Captain on my uniforms.
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    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
    The nut who actually ground out many packs. The resident forum voice of reason (I HAZ FORUM REP! YAY!)
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    stoltsstolts Member Posts: 482 Arc User
    rattler2 wrote: »
    Its just a game mechanic to denote level. I personally still show Captain on my uniforms.

    The pips on your portait (as well as info), mission addressing, and NPCs still show and address you as whatever is the highest rank you attained.
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    The first Belfast was commanded by Captain Ve'Kal Shon until its destruction in 2409. A new ship was commissioned bearing the same name and registry as special dispensation to then newly promoted Captain Edward XIII for his pivotal role during the renewed Dominion War.
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    rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,152 Community Moderator
    True, however... I don't really pay attention to that other than to see how high level someone is in a group. Everyone's running around with Admiral's pips so... I purposefully chose to stick to just Captain, as that is how I see my characters. In game rank asside, my characters are Captains of their ships.
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    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
    The nut who actually ground out many packs. The resident forum voice of reason (I HAZ FORUM REP! YAY!)
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    kyrrokkyrrok Member Posts: 1,352 Arc User
    rattler2 wrote: »
    True, however... I don't really pay attention to that other than to see how high level someone is in a group. Everyone's running around with Admiral's pips so... I purposefully chose to stick to just Captain, as that is how I see my characters. In game rank asside, my characters are Captains of their ships.

    I too don't adjust the rank from Captain/Commander. The exception is of course when a Klingon becomes a Dahar Master. I care nothing about admiral ranks either.
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    stoltsstolts Member Posts: 482 Arc User
    edited February 2016
    rattler2 wrote: »
    Everyone's running around with Admiral's pips so...

    Exactly the point. Why not uniformity then. If you see your character as a Captain why not the game sees you as a Captain as well. It just breaks the immersion.
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    The first Belfast was commanded by Captain Ve'Kal Shon until its destruction in 2409. A new ship was commissioned bearing the same name and registry as special dispensation to then newly promoted Captain Edward XIII for his pivotal role during the renewed Dominion War.
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    rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,152 Community Moderator
    *shrug*
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    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
    The nut who actually ground out many packs. The resident forum voice of reason (I HAZ FORUM REP! YAY!)
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    khan5000khan5000 Member Posts: 3,007 Arc User
    Stop trying to demote me
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    captainhunter1captainhunter1 Member Posts: 1,627 Arc User
    edited February 2016
    They should have capped rank at Captain, but made Admiral available through Fleet leadership.

    That said, the cat's out of the bag :'( I'd just like the NPCs to recognize my CHOOSEN title of Captain and address me as such.

    It that really so hard to code?
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    khregkhreg Member Posts: 379 Arc User
    I just wear the four pips of a Captain. My imagination adjusts the rest.
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    salazarrazesalazarraze Member Posts: 3,794 Arc User
    They should have capped rank at Captain
    Agreed.
    ...but made Admiral available through Fleet leadership.
    I would prefer a revamped PVP system in which higher ranked PVP players attain higher ranks of Admiral.
    That said, the cat's out of the bag :'( I'd just like the NPCs to recognize my CHOOSEN title of Captain and address me as such.

    It that really so hard to code?
    Agreed.
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    jorantomalakjorantomalak Member Posts: 7,133 Arc User
    I worked really hard to become a fleet admiral so i could lord it over quinns head, and now you want me to give my rank back? oh HEEEEELLLL no , im having way to much fun making quinn fetch me a cup of tea :)
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    seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,918 Arc User
    It is funny that we all have this extremely high rank but in most missions we're following orders from someone lower rank then we are. It's just one of those things I learned to get used to.

    I have to agree though, player progression should have probably stopped at Captain. Most of the characters from the show that people admire (Kirk, Picard, Janeway, Sisko, etc) were Captains for the majority of their shows. I think most players would have been fine with being Captains. Now however, it's a little too late. People would likely have a negative reaction to revamping it now and taking peoples rank. I however, would be all for it.
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    a3001a3001 Member Posts: 1,132 Arc User
    I could have sworn that this is the 5 thread on this topic I've seen.
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    rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,152 Community Moderator
    a3001 wrote: »
    I could have sworn that this is the 5 thread on this topic I've seen.

    Probably is. This topic does come up every once in a while.
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    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
    The nut who actually ground out many packs. The resident forum voice of reason (I HAZ FORUM REP! YAY!)
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    ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,571 Arc User
    I have had to dress down Quinn a few times already. I asked him what kind of a sad sack outfit he was running in the Space Dock. He lets this partying go on in the work areas and does nothing to stop it. Party Poppers, Klingons beaming in and having shootouts with Security Personnel, animals running around free, I tell you the place is a mess so to speak.

    And he has yet to have Medical Personnel scan for airborne pathogens. I mean, hundreds of female Starfleet Officers seem afflicted with some sort of debilitating condition that deforms their hips into almost a 45° angle.

    The man has gotten too complacent. ;)
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    jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,396 Arc User
    khreg wrote: »
    I just wear the four pips of a Captain. My imagination adjusts the rest.
    Same here. It's not my fault nobody in the Galaxy can read Romulan rank insignia...
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    ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,571 Arc User
    Aren't their just two Ranks, Simitar Commander and everyone else?
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    jodarkriderjodarkrider Member Posts: 2,097 Arc User
    khreg wrote: »
    I just wear the four pips of a Captain. My imagination adjusts the rest.

    This for me, as well. My own character is a Captain; so I just ignore them calling her 'Admiral'. Problem solved.
    Would it be better to have the rank as something we can somehow set/choose? Yeah. But unfortunately, this has been asked so many times and unanswered, that I don't see that changing.
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    stoltsstolts Member Posts: 482 Arc User
    Well they got a lot of flack for switching to micro-transactions
    I worked really hard to become a fleet admiral so i could lord it over quinns head, and now you want me to give my rank back? oh HEEEEELLLL no , im having way to much fun making quinn fetch me a cup of tea :)

    How do you lord over someone who is the same rank? He runs ESD you run a ship... and maybe a half complete Starbase? And he still give you orders... I mean missions xD
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    The first Belfast was commanded by Captain Ve'Kal Shon until its destruction in 2409. A new ship was commissioned bearing the same name and registry as special dispensation to then newly promoted Captain Edward XIII for his pivotal role during the renewed Dominion War.
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    stoltsstolts Member Posts: 482 Arc User
    I say make one of the featured episodes play out in such a way where we have to go rogue in order to do the right thing, save the day despite our orders where if we'd have done what we were told it would have been a disaster, and we're hit with a demotion to Captain for our trouble a la Kirk. Enough of this Admiral craporama.​​

    Perfect Solution! This allows you still keep the levels but the ranks are just changed :)
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    The first Belfast was commanded by Captain Ve'Kal Shon until its destruction in 2409. A new ship was commissioned bearing the same name and registry as special dispensation to then newly promoted Captain Edward XIII for his pivotal role during the renewed Dominion War.
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    stoltsstolts Member Posts: 482 Arc User
    khreg wrote: »
    I just wear the four pips of a Captain. My imagination adjusts the rest.

    This for me, as well. My own character is a Captain; so I just ignore them calling her 'Admiral'. Problem solved.
    Would it be better to have the rank as something we can somehow set/choose? Yeah. But unfortunately, this has been asked so many times and unanswered, that I don't see that changing.

    I've been asking for a retexture/reskin of the Defiant-class to look more like the TV show's Defiant. They finally heard! So now I'm going for this one :)
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    The first Belfast was commanded by Captain Ve'Kal Shon until its destruction in 2409. A new ship was commissioned bearing the same name and registry as special dispensation to then newly promoted Captain Edward XIII for his pivotal role during the renewed Dominion War.
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    buckshotbybeebuckshotbybee Member Posts: 7 Arc User
    I completely agree with the sentiment of your post.

    I was always a little sad once my Character was promoted to Rear Admiral. To see the 4 pips disappear and the game to stop referring to you as Captain does take a bit of the fun out of it. But I've seen this pop up many times over the last 6 years. Unfortunately Rank will not be decoupled from Level, barring some sort of miracle.

    Although I wish you luck on trying to get Cryptic to change their minds.
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    dareaudareau Member Posts: 2,390 Arc User
    You know, it must be a sad day, or an actually good idea, when I can actually agree with the competing sentiments of a thread...

    First off, don't dare take my rank away from me, even though they have yet to code I mean begin to address me as "Lord High" Admiral...

    Though for those of us (heck, I have one or two alts) who prefer to be able to set their rank title to a lower rank and be addressed by that title in-game, I have absolutely no problem with that, either.
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    comrademococomrademoco Member Posts: 1,694 Bug Hunter
    I have like 12 alts... Only my main is level 60 (Fleet Admiral) flowed by my end main romulan level 52... Every other alts is below 30. :/
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    ultimatenewbieultimatenewbie Member Posts: 269 Arc User
    I broadly agree that everyone running around as an Admiral (particularly Fleet Admiral) is silly. Still, I think you should be able to optionally top out at Commodore; this reflects that you could command small groups of ships not just just your own, and it is cannon (particularly from TOS, Commodore Decker etc).

    But I would really wish the text of junior officers giving you orders is changed to at least have them passing along some other fleet admiral's instructions - it would have the same effect, not much re-drafting required, but gets over the stupidity of a Commander ordering a flag officer around.
    I say make one of the featured episodes play out in such a way where we have to go rogue in order to do the right thing, save the day despite our orders where if we'd have done what we were told it would have been a disaster, and we're hit with a demotion to Captain for our trouble a la Kirk. Enough of this Admiral craporama.​​

    Excellent idea. +1
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    angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,001 Arc User
    From the other thread:

    It really should be

    Commander (1-5)
    Captain (6-60)

    Admiral or Fleet Captain rank should be a branching specialization/prestige path in the end, but other than that you never do anything a Lieutenant does. You are a captain from beginning to end and even in the tutorial you start as a first officer and should already be commander. Nobody wants that academy story anyways and it would save the whole "war war battle arrr we need captains so ensign become captains!" nonsense.​​
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    arabaturarabatur Member Posts: 410 Arc User
    Captain is both a rank and a position. It's all apples and oranges to me though.
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    jbmonroejbmonroe Member Posts: 809 Arc User
    I worked really hard to become a fleet admiral so i could lord it over quinns head, and now you want me to give my rank back? oh HEEEEELLLL no , im having way to much fun making quinn fetch me a cup of tea :)

    Quinn's all right. Now, T'Nae, on the other hand....

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    stoltsstolts Member Posts: 482 Arc User
    Or if what I originally posted is to much "work and effort" then allow players to simply have the option to manually lower their rank since most dialogue when addressing the player checks their actual rank. This is already done automatically when doing episodes anyway. This would also fix the discrepancy between what the player wants their character to be and what others see (Info button). Also those that want to keep their rank of Fleet Admiral would be able too.
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    The first Belfast was commanded by Captain Ve'Kal Shon until its destruction in 2409. A new ship was commissioned bearing the same name and registry as special dispensation to then newly promoted Captain Edward XIII for his pivotal role during the renewed Dominion War.
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