I actually like that part of the new movies. They they have more than one uniform. It makes it more real for me. During my time in the US Navy...I had six different uniforms I had to maintain and each required a different set of requirements for wear.
In the Star Trek they are wearing the cadet uniforms until the get on the ship and then they are wearing the ship board uniforms (red, gold and blue).
The uniforms with the cap they wear in STID seem to be dress uniforms or working (officer) uniforms.
If you go back and watch TMP...Kirk changes his uniform like three times on one mission....the Admiral dress uniform...the long sleeve Captain's uniform and the short sleeved Captain's uniform
The only thing bothering me about Trek uniforms always was that they got rid of away team jackets (the cage still had them). Wearing the shipboard uniform for every kind of away mission felt a little weird to me, which is why I like what STO did. Duty uniforms and excursion uniforms as well as dress uniforms. Everything more than that (aside from obvious situational utility wear like EV suits, jumpers or similiar) feels superflous to me. I mean it's the far away future. The clothing should be able to adapt itself in a way you can wear your excursion uniform in the desert or temperate as well.
The TOS budget only allowed for guest star outfits and a new Captains outfit once a season.
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Given the scale, I'm going to guess this is not a whole lot bigger than a runabout, and possibly some kind of exploration/scout ship... Definitely looks like the Loknar class, but with a JJTrek re-skin... I'll be interested to see what role it actually plays (maybe a plot point along the lines of the Reliant or Grissom, perhaps...
Given the scale, I'm going to guess this is not a whole lot bigger than a runabout, and possibly some kind of exploration/scout ship... Definitely looks like the Loknar class, but with a JJTrek re-skin... I'll be interested to see what role it actually plays (maybe a plot point along the lines of the Reliant or Grissom, perhaps...
I was thinking more along the lines of it being some kind of emergency vehicle from another starship that suffered the same destructive fate as the Enterprise, but at an earlier time.
And they find it among the wreckage of that particular ship on the planet.
From what we see in the trailer, it seems to be in not-so-great-shape, but still functional with a bit of Scotty know-how.
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I actually like that part of the new movies. They they have more than one uniform. It makes it more real for me. During my time in the US Navy...I had six different uniforms I had to maintain and each required a different set of requirements for wear.
The Air Force in the '80s wasn't quite so ridiculous, at least for enlisted personnel, but I did have to maintain my fatigues (the old olive-drab OG507s, before camo came to the AF), dress blues (jacket with decorations, long-sleeved shirt with decorations and tie, blue slacks, corfam shoes), and semi-dress blues (short-sleeved blue shirt without tie or fruit salad, same slacks and shoes as the dress uni). Long-sleeved blues were the order of the day in my office (HQ SAC/XOXPC, at Offutt AFB), except during the summer when the Base Commander would take mercy on us and allow the short-sleeved uniform. Fatigues were for when we drew special duty (like base litter patrol or moving furniture), because we worked in an underground office environment.
So yeah, multiple uniforms makes sense to me. And those cadet unis look as pointless and uncomfortable as what cadets have to wear at West Point and Annapolis, too.
We had Dress Blues and Dress Whites which are the uniforms everyone thinks of when they think of sailor uniforms. They we had working blues and working whites which were office uniforms. They we had utilities which could only be worn on ship or base....i think the cammies replaced this one. Then we had blue coveralls which were only to be worn on ship.
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Given the scale, I'm going to guess this is not a whole lot bigger than a runabout, and possibly some kind of exploration/scout ship... Definitely looks like the Loknar class, but with a JJTrek re-skin... I'll be interested to see what role it actually plays (maybe a plot point along the lines of the Reliant or Grissom, perhaps...
I was thinking more along the lines of it being some kind of emergency vehicle from another starship[/b] that suffered the same destructive fate as the Enterprise, but at an earlier time.
And they find it among the wreckage of that particular ship on the planet.
From what we see in the trailer, it seems to be in not-so-great-shape, but still functional with a bit of Scotty know-how.
I'm drawn more to it being an independant vessel due to the nacelles (although I admit, shuttles and runabouts also had them...) or, possibly something like the Aquarius-escort on the Odyssey-Class... (but my money is on something like the Loknar or Nova-classes )
Wouldn't be surprising, we do know that the NX-01 is part of the JJ universe.
Considering the branching point was in 2233, of course the NX is a part of the AR. It wasn't until the Narada destroyed the Kelvin that things changed. Before that, everything that happened leading up to it remains unchanged.
Time travel. The first warp flight succeeded because the U.S.S. Enterprise E stopped the Borg from stopping the first warp flight. Alter 2233, and everything after that changes, changing the starships afterwards, changing the result of the Federation's encounters with the Borg, changing the Borg and eventually the USS Enterprise E, thereby changing First Contact to any possible extent, altering the timeline long before the Narada ever came.
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Oh, now don't tell me you want in on all this! Well, ok. Look this that Egg Pawn hanging outside your window, pointing his laser rifle at you, waiting for my next order. He's doing his part. He helps conquer the weak-minded. He roboticizes the weak-bodied. Heck, he even helps keep the useless people from causing any trouble, but you know what? Join. Find the closest Nataran Empire roboticization center near you and join the ranks, before the ranks find you. Oh, I know, you figure it must be so satisfying to know I basically rule the world now, and you know what? It is, but do you want to know the true definition of satisfaction? Well, let me tell you a little story. One day, you see a brand new event. They're giving out boxes that give old event stuff. Your dilithium is plentiful. You buy a whole lot of Phoenix packs on your main, and open them all. You get one epic token. Then, you decide, that since you have all the Breen ships and don't give a damn about the others, you exchange it for an ultra rare, and grab yourself a Jem'Hadar Attack Ship and for the hell of it, a Voth Bulwark. You open both, leaving the Bulwark in your vast masses of starships as you jump into the bugship and deck it out, deck by deck, into the most awesome Jem'Hadar ship you can. You fly it. You enjoy it. Eventually, you get bored and leave, leaving the old Bulwark never flown... until later. Your main is long complete. Your new alt main, based off some character you pulled out of nothing just to explain away some starship being in service without the command of your dear admiral, is also complete. Mostly. Their reps and doffs are hard at work, getting you stuff. You realize the potential, and head back for your dear admiral, pull the most Voth themed build you can out of thin air, and suit up in your giant ship in the shape of you know what. You head out... and cause all sorts of havoc. Enemies scream out your name as their very life is drained away by your swarms of Aceton Assimilators. They complain to the devs of your OPness when you revive yourself from death every time you die. Do you show any form of mercy? No. After all, this isn't the United Federation of Planets, this is mother frakkin' Starfleet, where you explore strange new worlds and kick butt never kicked before. Oh, and you realize that I just wrote another speech rivaling your own signature. Cool. Oh, wait, that's just the original draft, it is part of my signature now. Oh, and yes, I am aware that I have become a Canadian Regent; one day, sooner than you'd expect, we'll suddenly decide to take over the world and declare an "alliance", and I shall become it's Regent. You know, like the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance in the mirror universe of our beloved Star Trek. Oh, who'll we be taking over with? I dunno, maybe [REDACTED], or maybe aliens from outer space. Guess you'll have to wait and find out, won't we? Until then, don't ask too many questions, or else my Breen allies on Titania might pick up on your -- [REDACTED BY BREEN CONFEDERACY FOR REASONS] Also, psst... keep an eye out for flying Tribbles! Also walls. Big, great walls, separating entire continents apart. Walls patrolled by Tribbles. Flying Tribbles. Flying Nukara Tribbles. Don't worry, it's not like they were on Venus with a herd of Tholians or anything, they just like the extreme heat and brutal weather like acid rain and hurricane force winds as the norm. Oh, and definitely keep your eye out on any two-tailed foxes, because if they ain't glowing, they're definitely an imposter. Possibly an Undine, we caught one of those once in my place once. Oh, and if you find a two-tailed fox that doesn't like the cold... most certainly ask him to say sorry. If he refuses, DESTROY HIM WITH A DOOMSDAY MACHINE, BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING ELSE THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH AGAINST SUCH AN OVERPOWERED IMPOSTER!
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In the AR-Trek timeline, the Borg apparently never came to the conclusion that time-traveling back to stop Cochrane was the best plan. They may have been defeated by the more-militarized Starfleet before reaching that point, or they may not have encountered humans until much later (the entire process was hurried along by Q's impatience with Jean-Luc, after all).
There was obviously a common theme in Starfleet design prior to the JJ-prise. The Vengeance was an experimental ship, so I don't think that represents normal ship design.
Also, there was *theoretically* a Constitution class before the JJ-prise:
As you can see, it simply uses the same parts as the Kelvin, but arranged into the constitution shape. For that reason, this design has been called the "Kelvinprise" in fan circles. That said, this could *theoretically* be the ship that Robert April captained, then Pike, before the construction of the JJ-prise.
I do agree with your point, and I keep on saying Abrams movies are too fast since I definitely didn't register these ships (their looks anyway).
With all that said, I'm still not convinced it's the Loknar class that's being added in the new movie. I guess we'll just have to wait and see to know for sure.
Meh, seeing this I'm even less interested in seeing this film.
That's cool. I've read comments on various forums where other people are more interested after seeing this same article. Neither of you are wrong. Different strokes for different folks.
That's not what the Loc'nar looks like at all. The Loc'nar is a glowing green sphere that drives people insane and causes bizarre, often horrific things to happen around it. Even knowing this, very few people have the strength to put the Loc'nar down once they've touched it...
That reminds of the movie "mom and dad saves the world" and the hand grenade
That's cool. I've read comments on various forums where other people are more interested after seeing this same article. Neither of you are wrong. Different strokes for different folks.
Yep. I'm happy for those who are looking forward to this film. Hey, if they like it, more power to them. I'll be skipping 2 Fast 2 Trek myself.
That's no problem amigo! There are some people who decide to skip every movie. In this case, there will be plenty of people who see it.
The Franklin looks to be perhaps five decks. It's probably bigger than DS9's Defiant, but not by much, and moderately smaller than the seven-deck NX-class. I could see it as an early Federation (late 22nd-century) scout/explorer design, which probably gives it Warp 7 compared to the Constitution class' Warp 8-9.
In the AR-Trek timeline, the Borg apparently never came to the conclusion that time-traveling back to stop Cochrane was the best plan. They may have been defeated by the more-militarized Starfleet before reaching that point, or they may not have encountered humans until much later (the entire process was hurried along by Q's impatience with Jean-Luc, after all).
If the Borg never went in time, there would be no Borg left on the North Pole for the NX-01 Enterprise to fight later, so either way, the timeline changes long before the Narada's arrival, even if the changes are minor.
Winning.
It's what I do. It's what I just did. It's what I'm about to do again. It's being undisputed emperor of an empire that cannot be disproved as the most powerful intergalactic empire in the entire universe; I always win, and everything I've won will definitely be won again... by me. It's my signature move, and thus, it's my signature. Problem, Sonic? Yeah, I mean you, Sonic, because you're being beat up, despite your being super. You can't even hit Shadow back, can you? Nope, he's too strong for you. Of course, I'm not Shadow, I'm the Super Emerald fueled fox that's pulling the strings; trust me, the fight would only be a few frames long if I were in it personally. Oh, and here's something for all you guys thinking you can win Last Post Wins 3.0; trust me, I'll be around a long while after the sun has already consumed the Earth while I sit out with the forum servers on Titan. Yes, I mean Titan... that comparatively little moon orbiting Saturn. It's a nice little place in a version of our solar system where the sun is a lot bigger. I mean, Mars will last longer than your precious Earth, but by then, it'll be one hot planet... and I figure Saturn's moon will be about the right temperate for a super-powered warlord. Oh, and trust me, I packed a lot of rings, and I mean a lot. Trillions, in fact, so I'll never run out of rings to power my super form. Besides, if I start to run out, I can just chaos control more rings into my reach. It's quite easy, really. You should try it. Granted, you'll never have the 7 Super Emeralds that I have in my possession, nor the Master Emerald that I've got hidden away somewhere... absorbed into my body thanks to Sonic logic, but whatever. I win. Again. I'm not kidding, either. Just check Last Post Wins, and if the last post isn't mine, it soon will be. Very, very soon. You can count on it. Seriously. By the way, if you're wondering, there's a really great Super Tails sprite sheet out there... somewhere... by some guy named shadow_91. These sprites are really great. Like, really good. Quality. Just like what I like to see in a sprite sheet. Also, credit to Joe T.E., his Sonic Battle style Super Sonic sprites have a great palette for a Super Sonic being beat up by Super Shadow, who's palette is from a Super Shadow sheet of unknown origin, but it turns out they were "borrowed" from a better sheet made by a certain Domenico. Oh, and the gif is actually a custom made super version of a similar gif, of which there are only 3 or 4 copies to be found by Google, and even then, evidently of an unknown source. Yep, it's one of those things. Stuff people have made, spread around, only for it to vanish and you to be the only person who still has a copy, not even knowing where it came from... like, literally at all. Oh, and anyone notice that Shadow's little chaos snap blast thingies are red and blue now? Yeah, I changed it. Problem, fans of purple? Yeah, I know you got a problem with that one, but you can just deal with it. After all, according to all known laws of aviation, there is no way a bee should be able to fly... alright, alright, I'll spare you the entire Bee Movie script, just Google it if you want. By the way, ever wonder how your characters would've ended up if they evolved in another universe? Yeah, that. Think about it. Ok, so you probably didn't bother reading up to here, but whatever, here's a surprise for you guys over at ESD (RP) who were crazy enough to read this: Emperor Nat of the mcfreakin' Terran Empire is gonna be right all along! The universe is gonna go BOOM! *Thumbs up to the insanity*
Oh, now don't tell me you want in on all this! Well, ok. Look this that Egg Pawn hanging outside your window, pointing his laser rifle at you, waiting for my next order. He's doing his part. He helps conquer the weak-minded. He roboticizes the weak-bodied. Heck, he even helps keep the useless people from causing any trouble, but you know what? Join. Find the closest Nataran Empire roboticization center near you and join the ranks, before the ranks find you. Oh, I know, you figure it must be so satisfying to know I basically rule the world now, and you know what? It is, but do you want to know the true definition of satisfaction? Well, let me tell you a little story. One day, you see a brand new event. They're giving out boxes that give old event stuff. Your dilithium is plentiful. You buy a whole lot of Phoenix packs on your main, and open them all. You get one epic token. Then, you decide, that since you have all the Breen ships and don't give a damn about the others, you exchange it for an ultra rare, and grab yourself a Jem'Hadar Attack Ship and for the hell of it, a Voth Bulwark. You open both, leaving the Bulwark in your vast masses of starships as you jump into the bugship and deck it out, deck by deck, into the most awesome Jem'Hadar ship you can. You fly it. You enjoy it. Eventually, you get bored and leave, leaving the old Bulwark never flown... until later. Your main is long complete. Your new alt main, based off some character you pulled out of nothing just to explain away some starship being in service without the command of your dear admiral, is also complete. Mostly. Their reps and doffs are hard at work, getting you stuff. You realize the potential, and head back for your dear admiral, pull the most Voth themed build you can out of thin air, and suit up in your giant ship in the shape of you know what. You head out... and cause all sorts of havoc. Enemies scream out your name as their very life is drained away by your swarms of Aceton Assimilators. They complain to the devs of your OPness when you revive yourself from death every time you die. Do you show any form of mercy? No. After all, this isn't the United Federation of Planets, this is mother frakkin' Starfleet, where you explore strange new worlds and kick butt never kicked before. Oh, and you realize that I just wrote another speech rivaling your own signature. Cool. Oh, wait, that's just the original draft, it is part of my signature now. Oh, and yes, I am aware that I have become a Canadian Regent; one day, sooner than you'd expect, we'll suddenly decide to take over the world and declare an "alliance", and I shall become it's Regent. You know, like the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance in the mirror universe of our beloved Star Trek. Oh, who'll we be taking over with? I dunno, maybe [REDACTED], or maybe aliens from outer space. Guess you'll have to wait and find out, won't we? Until then, don't ask too many questions, or else my Breen allies on Titania might pick up on your -- [REDACTED BY BREEN CONFEDERACY FOR REASONS] Also, psst... keep an eye out for flying Tribbles! Also walls. Big, great walls, separating entire continents apart. Walls patrolled by Tribbles. Flying Tribbles. Flying Nukara Tribbles. Don't worry, it's not like they were on Venus with a herd of Tholians or anything, they just like the extreme heat and brutal weather like acid rain and hurricane force winds as the norm. Oh, and definitely keep your eye out on any two-tailed foxes, because if they ain't glowing, they're definitely an imposter. Possibly an Undine, we caught one of those once in my place once. Oh, and if you find a two-tailed fox that doesn't like the cold... most certainly ask him to say sorry. If he refuses, DESTROY HIM WITH A DOOMSDAY MACHINE, BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING ELSE THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH AGAINST SUCH AN OVERPOWERED IMPOSTER!
tr;dr, I am winning last post wins 3.0. Thank you for your time.
In the AR-Trek timeline, the Borg apparently never came to the conclusion that time-traveling back to stop Cochrane was the best plan. They may have been defeated by the more-militarized Starfleet before reaching that point, or they may not have encountered humans until much later (the entire process was hurried along by Q's impatience with Jean-Luc, after all).
If the Borg never went in time, there would be no Borg left on the North Pole for the NX-01 Enterprise to fight later, so either way, the timeline changes long before the Narada's arrival, even if the changes are minor.
Not if you consider that the attack on the Kelvin was a BRANCHING point. Yes things have changed, but up until 2233 everything was the same as in the Prime Universe. You draw a straight line, that can represent the Prime Universe timeline. Then at a point in 2233 you bullet point it and make another line coming off that. The original line is still intact, but now you have this branch that shares everything from before that bullet point. Everything after that is different from the main line.
How the changes in the AR affect the 24th Century, we may never know. But the fact remains that nothing actually changed until the Narada came back in time. By the time the Narada was retrofitted, the events of First Contact have already happened, therefore that event can't really be changed by jumping back to a point 200 years after First Contact. The fact that the Enterprise-E helped with the Phoenix was never officially recorded may come into play as even if somehow the events of First Contact were altered, it could still play out the same, leading to the events in Enterprise and so on..
Then there's the idea of treating causality as a feedback loop. Which is explored in Terminator. Each use of Time Travel results in an altered timeline where more people use time travel to do different things. Thus creating a seemingly endless cycle of new timelines where each one over writes the previous one.
In the AR-Trek timeline, the Borg apparently never came to the conclusion that time-traveling back to stop Cochrane was the best plan. They may have been defeated by the more-militarized Starfleet before reaching that point, or they may not have encountered humans until much later (the entire process was hurried along by Q's impatience with Jean-Luc, after all).
If the Borg never went in time, there would be no Borg left on the North Pole for the NX-01 Enterprise to fight later, so either way, the timeline changes long before the Narada's arrival, even if the changes are minor.
Not if you consider that the attack on the Kelvin was a BRANCHING point. Yes things have changed, but up until 2233 everything was the same as in the Prime Universe. You draw a straight line, that can represent the Prime Universe timeline. Then at a point in 2233 you bullet point it and make another line coming off that. The original line is still intact, but now you have this branch that shares everything from before that bullet point. Everything after that is different from the main line.
How the changes in the AR affect the 24th Century, we may never know. But the fact remains that nothing actually changed until the Narada came back in time. By the time the Narada was retrofitted, the events of First Contact have already happened, therefore that event can't really be changed by jumping back to a point 200 years after First Contact. The fact that the Enterprise-E helped with the Phoenix was never officially recorded may come into play as even if somehow the events of First Contact were altered, it could still play out the same, leading to the events in Enterprise and so on..
Temporal Mechanics is a headache.
Or perhaps, the alternate reality the Narada creates is identical to the prime reality until the Narada's arrival; it's just that this leads to the AR Enterprise E and Borg going back in time and, due to playing out First Contact differently, creating another alternate reality. If another Narada were to arrive in this second alternate reality, that could lead to yet another loop and eventually, an infinite number of alternate realities, like what markhawkman said.
Winning.
It's what I do. It's what I just did. It's what I'm about to do again. It's being undisputed emperor of an empire that cannot be disproved as the most powerful intergalactic empire in the entire universe; I always win, and everything I've won will definitely be won again... by me. It's my signature move, and thus, it's my signature. Problem, Sonic? Yeah, I mean you, Sonic, because you're being beat up, despite your being super. You can't even hit Shadow back, can you? Nope, he's too strong for you. Of course, I'm not Shadow, I'm the Super Emerald fueled fox that's pulling the strings; trust me, the fight would only be a few frames long if I were in it personally. Oh, and here's something for all you guys thinking you can win Last Post Wins 3.0; trust me, I'll be around a long while after the sun has already consumed the Earth while I sit out with the forum servers on Titan. Yes, I mean Titan... that comparatively little moon orbiting Saturn. It's a nice little place in a version of our solar system where the sun is a lot bigger. I mean, Mars will last longer than your precious Earth, but by then, it'll be one hot planet... and I figure Saturn's moon will be about the right temperate for a super-powered warlord. Oh, and trust me, I packed a lot of rings, and I mean a lot. Trillions, in fact, so I'll never run out of rings to power my super form. Besides, if I start to run out, I can just chaos control more rings into my reach. It's quite easy, really. You should try it. Granted, you'll never have the 7 Super Emeralds that I have in my possession, nor the Master Emerald that I've got hidden away somewhere... absorbed into my body thanks to Sonic logic, but whatever. I win. Again. I'm not kidding, either. Just check Last Post Wins, and if the last post isn't mine, it soon will be. Very, very soon. You can count on it. Seriously. By the way, if you're wondering, there's a really great Super Tails sprite sheet out there... somewhere... by some guy named shadow_91. These sprites are really great. Like, really good. Quality. Just like what I like to see in a sprite sheet. Also, credit to Joe T.E., his Sonic Battle style Super Sonic sprites have a great palette for a Super Sonic being beat up by Super Shadow, who's palette is from a Super Shadow sheet of unknown origin, but it turns out they were "borrowed" from a better sheet made by a certain Domenico. Oh, and the gif is actually a custom made super version of a similar gif, of which there are only 3 or 4 copies to be found by Google, and even then, evidently of an unknown source. Yep, it's one of those things. Stuff people have made, spread around, only for it to vanish and you to be the only person who still has a copy, not even knowing where it came from... like, literally at all. Oh, and anyone notice that Shadow's little chaos snap blast thingies are red and blue now? Yeah, I changed it. Problem, fans of purple? Yeah, I know you got a problem with that one, but you can just deal with it. After all, according to all known laws of aviation, there is no way a bee should be able to fly... alright, alright, I'll spare you the entire Bee Movie script, just Google it if you want. By the way, ever wonder how your characters would've ended up if they evolved in another universe? Yeah, that. Think about it. Ok, so you probably didn't bother reading up to here, but whatever, here's a surprise for you guys over at ESD (RP) who were crazy enough to read this: Emperor Nat of the mcfreakin' Terran Empire is gonna be right all along! The universe is gonna go BOOM! *Thumbs up to the insanity*
Oh, now don't tell me you want in on all this! Well, ok. Look this that Egg Pawn hanging outside your window, pointing his laser rifle at you, waiting for my next order. He's doing his part. He helps conquer the weak-minded. He roboticizes the weak-bodied. Heck, he even helps keep the useless people from causing any trouble, but you know what? Join. Find the closest Nataran Empire roboticization center near you and join the ranks, before the ranks find you. Oh, I know, you figure it must be so satisfying to know I basically rule the world now, and you know what? It is, but do you want to know the true definition of satisfaction? Well, let me tell you a little story. One day, you see a brand new event. They're giving out boxes that give old event stuff. Your dilithium is plentiful. You buy a whole lot of Phoenix packs on your main, and open them all. You get one epic token. Then, you decide, that since you have all the Breen ships and don't give a damn about the others, you exchange it for an ultra rare, and grab yourself a Jem'Hadar Attack Ship and for the hell of it, a Voth Bulwark. You open both, leaving the Bulwark in your vast masses of starships as you jump into the bugship and deck it out, deck by deck, into the most awesome Jem'Hadar ship you can. You fly it. You enjoy it. Eventually, you get bored and leave, leaving the old Bulwark never flown... until later. Your main is long complete. Your new alt main, based off some character you pulled out of nothing just to explain away some starship being in service without the command of your dear admiral, is also complete. Mostly. Their reps and doffs are hard at work, getting you stuff. You realize the potential, and head back for your dear admiral, pull the most Voth themed build you can out of thin air, and suit up in your giant ship in the shape of you know what. You head out... and cause all sorts of havoc. Enemies scream out your name as their very life is drained away by your swarms of Aceton Assimilators. They complain to the devs of your OPness when you revive yourself from death every time you die. Do you show any form of mercy? No. After all, this isn't the United Federation of Planets, this is mother frakkin' Starfleet, where you explore strange new worlds and kick butt never kicked before. Oh, and you realize that I just wrote another speech rivaling your own signature. Cool. Oh, wait, that's just the original draft, it is part of my signature now. Oh, and yes, I am aware that I have become a Canadian Regent; one day, sooner than you'd expect, we'll suddenly decide to take over the world and declare an "alliance", and I shall become it's Regent. You know, like the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance in the mirror universe of our beloved Star Trek. Oh, who'll we be taking over with? I dunno, maybe [REDACTED], or maybe aliens from outer space. Guess you'll have to wait and find out, won't we? Until then, don't ask too many questions, or else my Breen allies on Titania might pick up on your -- [REDACTED BY BREEN CONFEDERACY FOR REASONS] Also, psst... keep an eye out for flying Tribbles! Also walls. Big, great walls, separating entire continents apart. Walls patrolled by Tribbles. Flying Tribbles. Flying Nukara Tribbles. Don't worry, it's not like they were on Venus with a herd of Tholians or anything, they just like the extreme heat and brutal weather like acid rain and hurricane force winds as the norm. Oh, and definitely keep your eye out on any two-tailed foxes, because if they ain't glowing, they're definitely an imposter. Possibly an Undine, we caught one of those once in my place once. Oh, and if you find a two-tailed fox that doesn't like the cold... most certainly ask him to say sorry. If he refuses, DESTROY HIM WITH A DOOMSDAY MACHINE, BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING ELSE THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH AGAINST SUCH AN OVERPOWERED IMPOSTER!
tr;dr, I am winning last post wins 3.0. Thank you for your time.
I think it's just one of those things which relies on plot requirement... If a plot requires time travel to cause massive changes, there'll be massive changes. If it needs ripples of variance, there'll be ripples. If it requires time to flow around the alteration and continue on its original course... At the end of the day, it's science fiction. If scientific accuracy is an absolute requirement, that 'fiction' aspect becomes more and more constrained...
True. Lets just assume that if there were any changes, like the Borg not going back in time, that the results weren't different enough to change things significantly enough to really impact the backstory of the AR.
Winning.
It's what I do. It's what I just did. It's what I'm about to do again. It's being undisputed emperor of an empire that cannot be disproved as the most powerful intergalactic empire in the entire universe; I always win, and everything I've won will definitely be won again... by me. It's my signature move, and thus, it's my signature. Problem, Sonic? Yeah, I mean you, Sonic, because you're being beat up, despite your being super. You can't even hit Shadow back, can you? Nope, he's too strong for you. Of course, I'm not Shadow, I'm the Super Emerald fueled fox that's pulling the strings; trust me, the fight would only be a few frames long if I were in it personally. Oh, and here's something for all you guys thinking you can win Last Post Wins 3.0; trust me, I'll be around a long while after the sun has already consumed the Earth while I sit out with the forum servers on Titan. Yes, I mean Titan... that comparatively little moon orbiting Saturn. It's a nice little place in a version of our solar system where the sun is a lot bigger. I mean, Mars will last longer than your precious Earth, but by then, it'll be one hot planet... and I figure Saturn's moon will be about the right temperate for a super-powered warlord. Oh, and trust me, I packed a lot of rings, and I mean a lot. Trillions, in fact, so I'll never run out of rings to power my super form. Besides, if I start to run out, I can just chaos control more rings into my reach. It's quite easy, really. You should try it. Granted, you'll never have the 7 Super Emeralds that I have in my possession, nor the Master Emerald that I've got hidden away somewhere... absorbed into my body thanks to Sonic logic, but whatever. I win. Again. I'm not kidding, either. Just check Last Post Wins, and if the last post isn't mine, it soon will be. Very, very soon. You can count on it. Seriously. By the way, if you're wondering, there's a really great Super Tails sprite sheet out there... somewhere... by some guy named shadow_91. These sprites are really great. Like, really good. Quality. Just like what I like to see in a sprite sheet. Also, credit to Joe T.E., his Sonic Battle style Super Sonic sprites have a great palette for a Super Sonic being beat up by Super Shadow, who's palette is from a Super Shadow sheet of unknown origin, but it turns out they were "borrowed" from a better sheet made by a certain Domenico. Oh, and the gif is actually a custom made super version of a similar gif, of which there are only 3 or 4 copies to be found by Google, and even then, evidently of an unknown source. Yep, it's one of those things. Stuff people have made, spread around, only for it to vanish and you to be the only person who still has a copy, not even knowing where it came from... like, literally at all. Oh, and anyone notice that Shadow's little chaos snap blast thingies are red and blue now? Yeah, I changed it. Problem, fans of purple? Yeah, I know you got a problem with that one, but you can just deal with it. After all, according to all known laws of aviation, there is no way a bee should be able to fly... alright, alright, I'll spare you the entire Bee Movie script, just Google it if you want. By the way, ever wonder how your characters would've ended up if they evolved in another universe? Yeah, that. Think about it. Ok, so you probably didn't bother reading up to here, but whatever, here's a surprise for you guys over at ESD (RP) who were crazy enough to read this: Emperor Nat of the mcfreakin' Terran Empire is gonna be right all along! The universe is gonna go BOOM! *Thumbs up to the insanity*
Oh, now don't tell me you want in on all this! Well, ok. Look this that Egg Pawn hanging outside your window, pointing his laser rifle at you, waiting for my next order. He's doing his part. He helps conquer the weak-minded. He roboticizes the weak-bodied. Heck, he even helps keep the useless people from causing any trouble, but you know what? Join. Find the closest Nataran Empire roboticization center near you and join the ranks, before the ranks find you. Oh, I know, you figure it must be so satisfying to know I basically rule the world now, and you know what? It is, but do you want to know the true definition of satisfaction? Well, let me tell you a little story. One day, you see a brand new event. They're giving out boxes that give old event stuff. Your dilithium is plentiful. You buy a whole lot of Phoenix packs on your main, and open them all. You get one epic token. Then, you decide, that since you have all the Breen ships and don't give a damn about the others, you exchange it for an ultra rare, and grab yourself a Jem'Hadar Attack Ship and for the hell of it, a Voth Bulwark. You open both, leaving the Bulwark in your vast masses of starships as you jump into the bugship and deck it out, deck by deck, into the most awesome Jem'Hadar ship you can. You fly it. You enjoy it. Eventually, you get bored and leave, leaving the old Bulwark never flown... until later. Your main is long complete. Your new alt main, based off some character you pulled out of nothing just to explain away some starship being in service without the command of your dear admiral, is also complete. Mostly. Their reps and doffs are hard at work, getting you stuff. You realize the potential, and head back for your dear admiral, pull the most Voth themed build you can out of thin air, and suit up in your giant ship in the shape of you know what. You head out... and cause all sorts of havoc. Enemies scream out your name as their very life is drained away by your swarms of Aceton Assimilators. They complain to the devs of your OPness when you revive yourself from death every time you die. Do you show any form of mercy? No. After all, this isn't the United Federation of Planets, this is mother frakkin' Starfleet, where you explore strange new worlds and kick butt never kicked before. Oh, and you realize that I just wrote another speech rivaling your own signature. Cool. Oh, wait, that's just the original draft, it is part of my signature now. Oh, and yes, I am aware that I have become a Canadian Regent; one day, sooner than you'd expect, we'll suddenly decide to take over the world and declare an "alliance", and I shall become it's Regent. You know, like the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance in the mirror universe of our beloved Star Trek. Oh, who'll we be taking over with? I dunno, maybe [REDACTED], or maybe aliens from outer space. Guess you'll have to wait and find out, won't we? Until then, don't ask too many questions, or else my Breen allies on Titania might pick up on your -- [REDACTED BY BREEN CONFEDERACY FOR REASONS] Also, psst... keep an eye out for flying Tribbles! Also walls. Big, great walls, separating entire continents apart. Walls patrolled by Tribbles. Flying Tribbles. Flying Nukara Tribbles. Don't worry, it's not like they were on Venus with a herd of Tholians or anything, they just like the extreme heat and brutal weather like acid rain and hurricane force winds as the norm. Oh, and definitely keep your eye out on any two-tailed foxes, because if they ain't glowing, they're definitely an imposter. Possibly an Undine, we caught one of those once in my place once. Oh, and if you find a two-tailed fox that doesn't like the cold... most certainly ask him to say sorry. If he refuses, DESTROY HIM WITH A DOOMSDAY MACHINE, BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING ELSE THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH AGAINST SUCH AN OVERPOWERED IMPOSTER!
tr;dr, I am winning last post wins 3.0. Thank you for your time.
The Franklin looks to be perhaps five decks. It's probably bigger than DS9's Defiant, but not by much, and moderately smaller than the seven-deck NX-class. I could see it as an early Federation (late 22nd-century) scout/explorer design, which probably gives it Warp 7 compared to the Constitution class' Warp 8-9.
It looks to me like no more than three decks.
The bridge, the middle deck and perhaps a lower storage deck.
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In the AR-Trek timeline, the Borg apparently never came to the conclusion that time-traveling back to stop Cochrane was the best plan. They may have been defeated by the more-militarized Starfleet before reaching that point, or they may not have encountered humans until much later (the entire process was hurried along by Q's impatience with Jean-Luc, after all).
If the Borg never went in time, there would be no Borg left on the North Pole for the NX-01 Enterprise to fight later, so either way, the timeline changes long before the Narada's arrival, even if the changes are minor.
Not if you consider that the attack on the Kelvin was a BRANCHING point. Yes things have changed, but up until 2233 everything was the same as in the Prime Universe. You draw a straight line, that can represent the Prime Universe timeline. Then at a point in 2233 you bullet point it and make another line coming off that. The original line is still intact, but now you have this branch that shares everything from before that bullet point. Everything after that is different from the main line.
How the changes in the AR affect the 24th Century, we may never know. But the fact remains that nothing actually changed until the Narada came back in time. By the time the Narada was retrofitted, the events of First Contact have already happened, therefore that event can't really be changed by jumping back to a point 200 years after First Contact. The fact that the Enterprise-E helped with the Phoenix was never officially recorded may come into play as even if somehow the events of First Contact were altered, it could still play out the same, leading to the events in Enterprise and so on..
Temporal Mechanics is a headache.
Or perhaps, the alternate reality the Narada creates is identical to the prime reality until the Narada's arrival; it's just that this leads to the AR Enterprise E and Borg going back in time and, due to playing out First Contact differently, creating another alternate reality. If another Narada were to arrive in this second alternate reality, that could lead to yet another loop and eventually, an infinite number of alternate realities, like what markhawkman said.
Don't forget that the Borg are not interested in the local area of space until Q brought the Federation, etc. to their attention during TNG (7,000 LY or so -- TNG episode "Q Who")
Without that event we don't know exactly when "normal" borg contact would've occurred for the empires in the local area, and thus all the borg-related time travel, etc, etc. -- including the need for the Enterprise to help Cochrane after the borg attack.
Cochrane was always going to warp -- the Enterprise assistance was only necessary due to the Borg presence, a presence that only arrives in the past due to the extra Borg history during TNG-time frame...a TNG time frame that isn't going to be the same in the JJ-verse.
However, in the prime-verse it could very well have been the Enterprise's presence with Cochrane that ended up with nacelle shapes being different for the Kelvin vs. TOS in prime (in other words, Picard & co. polluted the timeline enough that the smart monkey Cochrane made better early advances in nacelle designs in the prime-verse, but required more bulky apparatus in the non-Enterprise-polluted JJ-verse)
However, in the prime-verse it could very well have been the Enterprise's presence with Cochrane that ended up with nacelle shapes being different for the Kelvin vs. TOS in prime...
I'm gonna have to point out that the Kelvin was like 20 something years BEFORE TOS. So already there's a hole in that. And since technically the Kelvin existed before the Narada altered the timeline, the design of the Kelvin also exists in the Prime Universe. Its possible that maybe in the Prime Universe the Kelvin type was upgraded to TOS specs, but the fact remains that she was preexisting and older than the Connie. The fact we never saw any Kelvin types in TOS is because of budget in the show. Back then the only other Federation ships we saw were other Connies. It wasn't until Wrath of Khan that we "officially" saw a new class of Fed ship.
In the AR-Trek timeline, the Borg apparently never came to the conclusion that time-traveling back to stop Cochrane was the best plan. They may have been defeated by the more-militarized Starfleet before reaching that point, or they may not have encountered humans until much later (the entire process was hurried along by Q's impatience with Jean-Luc, after all).
If the Borg never went in time, there would be no Borg left on the North Pole for the NX-01 Enterprise to fight later, so either way, the timeline changes long before the Narada's arrival, even if the changes are minor.
Not if you consider that the attack on the Kelvin was a BRANCHING point. Yes things have changed, but up until 2233 everything was the same as in the Prime Universe. You draw a straight line, that can represent the Prime Universe timeline. Then at a point in 2233 you bullet point it and make another line coming off that. The original line is still intact, but now you have this branch that shares everything from before that bullet point. Everything after that is different from the main line.
How the changes in the AR affect the 24th Century, we may never know. But the fact remains that nothing actually changed until the Narada came back in time. By the time the Narada was retrofitted, the events of First Contact have already happened, therefore that event can't really be changed by jumping back to a point 200 years after First Contact. The fact that the Enterprise-E helped with the Phoenix was never officially recorded may come into play as even if somehow the events of First Contact were altered, it could still play out the same, leading to the events in Enterprise and so on..
Temporal Mechanics is a headache.
Or perhaps, the alternate reality the Narada creates is identical to the prime reality until the Narada's arrival; it's just that this leads to the AR Enterprise E and Borg going back in time and, due to playing out First Contact differently, creating another alternate reality. If another Narada were to arrive in this second alternate reality, that could lead to yet another loop and eventually, an infinite number of alternate realities, like what markhawkman said.
Don't forget that the Borg are not interested in the local area of space until Q brought the Federation, etc. to their attention during TNG (7,000 LY or so -- TNG episode "Q Who")
Without that event we don't know exactly when "normal" borg contact would've occurred for the empires in the local area, and thus all the borg-related time travel, etc, etc. -- including the need for the Enterprise to help Cochrane after the borg attack.
Cochrane was always going to warp -- the Enterprise assistance was only necessary due to the Borg presence, a presence that only arrives in the past due to the extra Borg history during TNG-time frame...a TNG time frame that isn't going to be the same in the JJ-verse.
However, in the prime-verse it could very well have been the Enterprise's presence with Cochrane that ended up with nacelle shapes being different for the Kelvin vs. TOS in prime (in other words, Picard & co. polluted the timeline enough that the smart monkey Cochrane made better early advances in nacelle designs in the prime-verse, but required more bulky apparatus in the non-Enterprise-polluted JJ-verse)
I believe the episode ended on the revelation that they were already on course for Earth. This can be explained in-verse by either i) picking up the signal sent from Enterprise, or, information gained from the assimilation of the Hansens, or a combination of the two, given that the Hansens were studying the Borg, without really knowing who/what they were, presumably based on half-seen sensor readings/stories from outer-rim colonies... That the writers were able to tie it up all into a neat predestination paradox, doesn't change the fact that from their first appearance, the Borg were introduced as 'already on their way'...
As the Narada's re-entry into the timeline occurred significantly after the events of First Contact, that in itself negates the theory that Picard and co influenced the timeline of the JJVerse, as Geordi specifically noted that they had the specs of the Phoenix in the Enterprise computer. Any work he and his team did in repairing the ship, would have been 'period accurate restoration work', not in any way improved upon, because they would have known that what they were doing, would wind up in the Smithsonian and receive mass scrutiny. The JJPrise had those crazy nacelles proportions (according to the supplementary material) because after the destruction of the Kelvin, Starfleet started to build 'bigger and better' so they could present a more robust face to the galaxy. Everything seen in First Contact and Enterprise, was still in the past of the JJVerse and the PrimeVerse. The point of divergence, is solely the presence of the Nerada... I have heard (purely hearsay) that JJ wasn't given a full licence for the ships, only the names, hence why the designs, including the Kelvin were all different to existing designs, but because that's only something I was told, I can't prove it, or insist that it be considered as hard fact...
Actually, it's rumored that first along, the design team of 2009 Trek were very much going in the direction of the Classic TV Trek ships and when JJ first saw their output, he threatened to fire anybody who brought any more designs to him that resembled what had been done back then.
He wanted all new designs which only had hints of what had come before.
Thus we got the amalgamation of the movie and TV eras with a bunch of greebles.
I seem to remember an interview with John Eaves, mentioning this.
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I heard that the design of the Enterprise (in universe) was influenced by the Kelvin crew bringing back scan data of the Narada, and they used that to reverse engineer some more advanced tech, hence why we had a ship with that PCAPS system similar to 24th Century LCARS.
Actually, it's rumored that first along, the design team of 2009 Trek were very much going in the direction of the Classic TV Trek ships and when JJ first saw their output, he threatened to fire anybody who brought any more designs to him that resembled what had been done back then.
He wanted all new designs which only had hints of what had come before.
Thus we got the amalgamation of the movie and TV eras with a bunch of greebles.
I seem to remember an interview with John Eaves, mentioning this.
Interesting, I hadn't heard that Of course, what I heard was simply something someone said, so I can't claim it as contradicting that
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I was thinking more along the lines of it being some kind of emergency vehicle from another starship that suffered the same destructive fate as the Enterprise, but at an earlier time.
And they find it among the wreckage of that particular ship on the planet.
From what we see in the trailer, it seems to be in not-so-great-shape, but still functional with a bit of Scotty know-how.
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We had Dress Blues and Dress Whites which are the uniforms everyone thinks of when they think of sailor uniforms. They we had working blues and working whites which were office uniforms. They we had utilities which could only be worn on ship or base....i think the cammies replaced this one. Then we had blue coveralls which were only to be worn on ship.
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Time travel. The first warp flight succeeded because the U.S.S. Enterprise E stopped the Borg from stopping the first warp flight. Alter 2233, and everything after that changes, changing the starships afterwards, changing the result of the Federation's encounters with the Borg, changing the Borg and eventually the USS Enterprise E, thereby changing First Contact to any possible extent, altering the timeline long before the Narada ever came.
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Oh, now don't tell me you want in on all this! Well, ok. Look this that Egg Pawn hanging outside your window, pointing his laser rifle at you, waiting for my next order. He's doing his part. He helps conquer the weak-minded. He roboticizes the weak-bodied. Heck, he even helps keep the useless people from causing any trouble, but you know what? Join. Find the closest Nataran Empire roboticization center near you and join the ranks, before the ranks find you. Oh, I know, you figure it must be so satisfying to know I basically rule the world now, and you know what? It is, but do you want to know the true definition of satisfaction? Well, let me tell you a little story. One day, you see a brand new event. They're giving out boxes that give old event stuff. Your dilithium is plentiful. You buy a whole lot of Phoenix packs on your main, and open them all. You get one epic token. Then, you decide, that since you have all the Breen ships and don't give a damn about the others, you exchange it for an ultra rare, and grab yourself a Jem'Hadar Attack Ship and for the hell of it, a Voth Bulwark. You open both, leaving the Bulwark in your vast masses of starships as you jump into the bugship and deck it out, deck by deck, into the most awesome Jem'Hadar ship you can. You fly it. You enjoy it. Eventually, you get bored and leave, leaving the old Bulwark never flown... until later. Your main is long complete. Your new alt main, based off some character you pulled out of nothing just to explain away some starship being in service without the command of your dear admiral, is also complete. Mostly. Their reps and doffs are hard at work, getting you stuff. You realize the potential, and head back for your dear admiral, pull the most Voth themed build you can out of thin air, and suit up in your giant ship in the shape of you know what. You head out... and cause all sorts of havoc. Enemies scream out your name as their very life is drained away by your swarms of Aceton Assimilators. They complain to the devs of your OPness when you revive yourself from death every time you die. Do you show any form of mercy? No. After all, this isn't the United Federation of Planets, this is mother frakkin' Starfleet, where you explore strange new worlds and kick butt never kicked before. Oh, and you realize that I just wrote another speech rivaling your own signature. Cool. Oh, wait, that's just the original draft, it is part of my signature now. Oh, and yes, I am aware that I have become a Canadian Regent; one day, sooner than you'd expect, we'll suddenly decide to take over the world and declare an "alliance", and I shall become it's Regent. You know, like the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance in the mirror universe of our beloved Star Trek. Oh, who'll we be taking over with? I dunno, maybe [REDACTED], or maybe aliens from outer space. Guess you'll have to wait and find out, won't we? Until then, don't ask too many questions, or else my Breen allies on Titania might pick up on your -- [REDACTED BY BREEN CONFEDERACY FOR REASONS] Also, psst... keep an eye out for flying Tribbles! Also walls. Big, great walls, separating entire continents apart. Walls patrolled by Tribbles. Flying Tribbles. Flying Nukara Tribbles. Don't worry, it's not like they were on Venus with a herd of Tholians or anything, they just like the extreme heat and brutal weather like acid rain and hurricane force winds as the norm. Oh, and definitely keep your eye out on any two-tailed foxes, because if they ain't glowing, they're definitely an imposter. Possibly an Undine, we caught one of those once in my place once. Oh, and if you find a two-tailed fox that doesn't like the cold... most certainly ask him to say sorry. If he refuses, DESTROY HIM WITH A DOOMSDAY MACHINE, BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING ELSE THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH AGAINST SUCH AN OVERPOWERED IMPOSTER!
tr;dr, I am winning last post wins 3.0. Thank you for your time.
I do agree with your point, and I keep on saying Abrams movies are too fast since I definitely didn't register these ships (their looks anyway).
With all that said, I'm still not convinced it's the Loknar class that's being added in the new movie. I guess we'll just have to wait and see to know for sure.
That's cool. I've read comments on various forums where other people are more interested after seeing this same article. Neither of you are wrong. Different strokes for different folks.
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That reminds of the movie "mom and dad saves the world" and the hand grenade
That's no problem amigo! There are some people who decide to skip every movie. In this case, there will be plenty of people who see it.
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If the Borg never went in time, there would be no Borg left on the North Pole for the NX-01 Enterprise to fight later, so either way, the timeline changes long before the Narada's arrival, even if the changes are minor.
Winning.
Oh, now don't tell me you want in on all this! Well, ok. Look this that Egg Pawn hanging outside your window, pointing his laser rifle at you, waiting for my next order. He's doing his part. He helps conquer the weak-minded. He roboticizes the weak-bodied. Heck, he even helps keep the useless people from causing any trouble, but you know what? Join. Find the closest Nataran Empire roboticization center near you and join the ranks, before the ranks find you. Oh, I know, you figure it must be so satisfying to know I basically rule the world now, and you know what? It is, but do you want to know the true definition of satisfaction? Well, let me tell you a little story. One day, you see a brand new event. They're giving out boxes that give old event stuff. Your dilithium is plentiful. You buy a whole lot of Phoenix packs on your main, and open them all. You get one epic token. Then, you decide, that since you have all the Breen ships and don't give a damn about the others, you exchange it for an ultra rare, and grab yourself a Jem'Hadar Attack Ship and for the hell of it, a Voth Bulwark. You open both, leaving the Bulwark in your vast masses of starships as you jump into the bugship and deck it out, deck by deck, into the most awesome Jem'Hadar ship you can. You fly it. You enjoy it. Eventually, you get bored and leave, leaving the old Bulwark never flown... until later. Your main is long complete. Your new alt main, based off some character you pulled out of nothing just to explain away some starship being in service without the command of your dear admiral, is also complete. Mostly. Their reps and doffs are hard at work, getting you stuff. You realize the potential, and head back for your dear admiral, pull the most Voth themed build you can out of thin air, and suit up in your giant ship in the shape of you know what. You head out... and cause all sorts of havoc. Enemies scream out your name as their very life is drained away by your swarms of Aceton Assimilators. They complain to the devs of your OPness when you revive yourself from death every time you die. Do you show any form of mercy? No. After all, this isn't the United Federation of Planets, this is mother frakkin' Starfleet, where you explore strange new worlds and kick butt never kicked before. Oh, and you realize that I just wrote another speech rivaling your own signature. Cool. Oh, wait, that's just the original draft, it is part of my signature now. Oh, and yes, I am aware that I have become a Canadian Regent; one day, sooner than you'd expect, we'll suddenly decide to take over the world and declare an "alliance", and I shall become it's Regent. You know, like the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance in the mirror universe of our beloved Star Trek. Oh, who'll we be taking over with? I dunno, maybe [REDACTED], or maybe aliens from outer space. Guess you'll have to wait and find out, won't we? Until then, don't ask too many questions, or else my Breen allies on Titania might pick up on your -- [REDACTED BY BREEN CONFEDERACY FOR REASONS] Also, psst... keep an eye out for flying Tribbles! Also walls. Big, great walls, separating entire continents apart. Walls patrolled by Tribbles. Flying Tribbles. Flying Nukara Tribbles. Don't worry, it's not like they were on Venus with a herd of Tholians or anything, they just like the extreme heat and brutal weather like acid rain and hurricane force winds as the norm. Oh, and definitely keep your eye out on any two-tailed foxes, because if they ain't glowing, they're definitely an imposter. Possibly an Undine, we caught one of those once in my place once. Oh, and if you find a two-tailed fox that doesn't like the cold... most certainly ask him to say sorry. If he refuses, DESTROY HIM WITH A DOOMSDAY MACHINE, BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING ELSE THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH AGAINST SUCH AN OVERPOWERED IMPOSTER!
tr;dr, I am winning last post wins 3.0. Thank you for your time.
Not if you consider that the attack on the Kelvin was a BRANCHING point. Yes things have changed, but up until 2233 everything was the same as in the Prime Universe. You draw a straight line, that can represent the Prime Universe timeline. Then at a point in 2233 you bullet point it and make another line coming off that. The original line is still intact, but now you have this branch that shares everything from before that bullet point. Everything after that is different from the main line.
How the changes in the AR affect the 24th Century, we may never know. But the fact remains that nothing actually changed until the Narada came back in time. By the time the Narada was retrofitted, the events of First Contact have already happened, therefore that event can't really be changed by jumping back to a point 200 years after First Contact. The fact that the Enterprise-E helped with the Phoenix was never officially recorded may come into play as even if somehow the events of First Contact were altered, it could still play out the same, leading to the events in Enterprise and so on..
Temporal Mechanics is a headache.
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Or perhaps, the alternate reality the Narada creates is identical to the prime reality until the Narada's arrival; it's just that this leads to the AR Enterprise E and Borg going back in time and, due to playing out First Contact differently, creating another alternate reality. If another Narada were to arrive in this second alternate reality, that could lead to yet another loop and eventually, an infinite number of alternate realities, like what markhawkman said.
Winning.
Oh, now don't tell me you want in on all this! Well, ok. Look this that Egg Pawn hanging outside your window, pointing his laser rifle at you, waiting for my next order. He's doing his part. He helps conquer the weak-minded. He roboticizes the weak-bodied. Heck, he even helps keep the useless people from causing any trouble, but you know what? Join. Find the closest Nataran Empire roboticization center near you and join the ranks, before the ranks find you. Oh, I know, you figure it must be so satisfying to know I basically rule the world now, and you know what? It is, but do you want to know the true definition of satisfaction? Well, let me tell you a little story. One day, you see a brand new event. They're giving out boxes that give old event stuff. Your dilithium is plentiful. You buy a whole lot of Phoenix packs on your main, and open them all. You get one epic token. Then, you decide, that since you have all the Breen ships and don't give a damn about the others, you exchange it for an ultra rare, and grab yourself a Jem'Hadar Attack Ship and for the hell of it, a Voth Bulwark. You open both, leaving the Bulwark in your vast masses of starships as you jump into the bugship and deck it out, deck by deck, into the most awesome Jem'Hadar ship you can. You fly it. You enjoy it. Eventually, you get bored and leave, leaving the old Bulwark never flown... until later. Your main is long complete. Your new alt main, based off some character you pulled out of nothing just to explain away some starship being in service without the command of your dear admiral, is also complete. Mostly. Their reps and doffs are hard at work, getting you stuff. You realize the potential, and head back for your dear admiral, pull the most Voth themed build you can out of thin air, and suit up in your giant ship in the shape of you know what. You head out... and cause all sorts of havoc. Enemies scream out your name as their very life is drained away by your swarms of Aceton Assimilators. They complain to the devs of your OPness when you revive yourself from death every time you die. Do you show any form of mercy? No. After all, this isn't the United Federation of Planets, this is mother frakkin' Starfleet, where you explore strange new worlds and kick butt never kicked before. Oh, and you realize that I just wrote another speech rivaling your own signature. Cool. Oh, wait, that's just the original draft, it is part of my signature now. Oh, and yes, I am aware that I have become a Canadian Regent; one day, sooner than you'd expect, we'll suddenly decide to take over the world and declare an "alliance", and I shall become it's Regent. You know, like the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance in the mirror universe of our beloved Star Trek. Oh, who'll we be taking over with? I dunno, maybe [REDACTED], or maybe aliens from outer space. Guess you'll have to wait and find out, won't we? Until then, don't ask too many questions, or else my Breen allies on Titania might pick up on your -- [REDACTED BY BREEN CONFEDERACY FOR REASONS] Also, psst... keep an eye out for flying Tribbles! Also walls. Big, great walls, separating entire continents apart. Walls patrolled by Tribbles. Flying Tribbles. Flying Nukara Tribbles. Don't worry, it's not like they were on Venus with a herd of Tholians or anything, they just like the extreme heat and brutal weather like acid rain and hurricane force winds as the norm. Oh, and definitely keep your eye out on any two-tailed foxes, because if they ain't glowing, they're definitely an imposter. Possibly an Undine, we caught one of those once in my place once. Oh, and if you find a two-tailed fox that doesn't like the cold... most certainly ask him to say sorry. If he refuses, DESTROY HIM WITH A DOOMSDAY MACHINE, BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING ELSE THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH AGAINST SUCH AN OVERPOWERED IMPOSTER!
tr;dr, I am winning last post wins 3.0. Thank you for your time.
Winning.
Oh, now don't tell me you want in on all this! Well, ok. Look this that Egg Pawn hanging outside your window, pointing his laser rifle at you, waiting for my next order. He's doing his part. He helps conquer the weak-minded. He roboticizes the weak-bodied. Heck, he even helps keep the useless people from causing any trouble, but you know what? Join. Find the closest Nataran Empire roboticization center near you and join the ranks, before the ranks find you. Oh, I know, you figure it must be so satisfying to know I basically rule the world now, and you know what? It is, but do you want to know the true definition of satisfaction? Well, let me tell you a little story. One day, you see a brand new event. They're giving out boxes that give old event stuff. Your dilithium is plentiful. You buy a whole lot of Phoenix packs on your main, and open them all. You get one epic token. Then, you decide, that since you have all the Breen ships and don't give a damn about the others, you exchange it for an ultra rare, and grab yourself a Jem'Hadar Attack Ship and for the hell of it, a Voth Bulwark. You open both, leaving the Bulwark in your vast masses of starships as you jump into the bugship and deck it out, deck by deck, into the most awesome Jem'Hadar ship you can. You fly it. You enjoy it. Eventually, you get bored and leave, leaving the old Bulwark never flown... until later. Your main is long complete. Your new alt main, based off some character you pulled out of nothing just to explain away some starship being in service without the command of your dear admiral, is also complete. Mostly. Their reps and doffs are hard at work, getting you stuff. You realize the potential, and head back for your dear admiral, pull the most Voth themed build you can out of thin air, and suit up in your giant ship in the shape of you know what. You head out... and cause all sorts of havoc. Enemies scream out your name as their very life is drained away by your swarms of Aceton Assimilators. They complain to the devs of your OPness when you revive yourself from death every time you die. Do you show any form of mercy? No. After all, this isn't the United Federation of Planets, this is mother frakkin' Starfleet, where you explore strange new worlds and kick butt never kicked before. Oh, and you realize that I just wrote another speech rivaling your own signature. Cool. Oh, wait, that's just the original draft, it is part of my signature now. Oh, and yes, I am aware that I have become a Canadian Regent; one day, sooner than you'd expect, we'll suddenly decide to take over the world and declare an "alliance", and I shall become it's Regent. You know, like the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance in the mirror universe of our beloved Star Trek. Oh, who'll we be taking over with? I dunno, maybe [REDACTED], or maybe aliens from outer space. Guess you'll have to wait and find out, won't we? Until then, don't ask too many questions, or else my Breen allies on Titania might pick up on your -- [REDACTED BY BREEN CONFEDERACY FOR REASONS] Also, psst... keep an eye out for flying Tribbles! Also walls. Big, great walls, separating entire continents apart. Walls patrolled by Tribbles. Flying Tribbles. Flying Nukara Tribbles. Don't worry, it's not like they were on Venus with a herd of Tholians or anything, they just like the extreme heat and brutal weather like acid rain and hurricane force winds as the norm. Oh, and definitely keep your eye out on any two-tailed foxes, because if they ain't glowing, they're definitely an imposter. Possibly an Undine, we caught one of those once in my place once. Oh, and if you find a two-tailed fox that doesn't like the cold... most certainly ask him to say sorry. If he refuses, DESTROY HIM WITH A DOOMSDAY MACHINE, BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING ELSE THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH AGAINST SUCH AN OVERPOWERED IMPOSTER!
tr;dr, I am winning last post wins 3.0. Thank you for your time.
It looks to me like no more than three decks.
The bridge, the middle deck and perhaps a lower storage deck.
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Don't forget that the Borg are not interested in the local area of space until Q brought the Federation, etc. to their attention during TNG (7,000 LY or so -- TNG episode "Q Who")
Without that event we don't know exactly when "normal" borg contact would've occurred for the empires in the local area, and thus all the borg-related time travel, etc, etc. -- including the need for the Enterprise to help Cochrane after the borg attack.
Cochrane was always going to warp -- the Enterprise assistance was only necessary due to the Borg presence, a presence that only arrives in the past due to the extra Borg history during TNG-time frame...a TNG time frame that isn't going to be the same in the JJ-verse.
However, in the prime-verse it could very well have been the Enterprise's presence with Cochrane that ended up with nacelle shapes being different for the Kelvin vs. TOS in prime (in other words, Picard & co. polluted the timeline enough that the smart monkey Cochrane made better early advances in nacelle designs in the prime-verse, but required more bulky apparatus in the non-Enterprise-polluted JJ-verse)
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As the Narada's re-entry into the timeline occurred significantly after the events of First Contact, that in itself negates the theory that Picard and co influenced the timeline of the JJVerse, as Geordi specifically noted that they had the specs of the Phoenix in the Enterprise computer. Any work he and his team did in repairing the ship, would have been 'period accurate restoration work', not in any way improved upon, because they would have known that what they were doing, would wind up in the Smithsonian and receive mass scrutiny. The JJPrise had those crazy nacelles proportions (according to the supplementary material) because after the destruction of the Kelvin, Starfleet started to build 'bigger and better' so they could present a more robust face to the galaxy. Everything seen in First Contact and Enterprise, was still in the past of the JJVerse and the PrimeVerse. The point of divergence, is solely the presence of the Nerada... I have heard (purely hearsay) that JJ wasn't given a full licence for the ships, only the names, hence why the designs, including the Kelvin were all different to existing designs, but because that's only something I was told, I can't prove it, or insist that it be considered as hard fact...
He wanted all new designs which only had hints of what had come before.
Thus we got the amalgamation of the movie and TV eras with a bunch of greebles.
I seem to remember an interview with John Eaves, mentioning this.
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