You do know that this Thread will get Closed as the last post before this morning was over nine months ago.
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Well that's weird as i've had 820 and got 2 yet at 860 had just 1? Also I'm not that bad at it and you must have to be pretty TRIBBLE hot to get higher than 860 each time and lets face it not everyone who plays the game will be able to get higher than 860 to get more than 1. Also when you take in to account the times it pushes them forward or 2 in places where it is impossible to get them both you are rarely going to get much more than 700-800 Plus for the average player so most will need to do the game 240 times to get just one upgrade which is a complete joke. Who wants to do that for hours on end when you also might need to get other stuff for chars or you are running more than 3 chars a time?
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And also you need to take in to account that they speed up each time you destroy molecules so it gets harder to collect them which makes it even harder for the average player to get over the 860 mark to get more than 1. And I just got 1200 points only to get 2 and if you are saying you need 1350 to get 3 not every player will be able to get that so most players will have to do it 240 times to get 1 upgrade.
It's 860 for 2 traces
1300 three traces
1700 sliver and a trace
It's difficult right now because of the lag. It was the same last year. So best to wait a week or two. Then you should be able to manage at least 1300 with the mouse.
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I didn't realise it was a 9 month old thread but then it looks like STO hasn't learnt anything about this issue at all in all that time. I am averaging well over 900-1000 points per game now and will get better the more I play but I still think the average player will only get around 700-800 points which means it's a real grind just to get 1 Upgrade. Like I said before not every STO player who loves the game can play 24/7 and these are the players I am talking about. They miss out on free ships and free gifts due to long grinds which is a complete shame. Well 6 years of STO and 6 years of deaf ears on a whole lot of issues.
It's 860 for 2 traces
1300 three traces
1700 sliver and a trace
It's difficult right now because of the lag. It was the same last year. So best to wait a week or two. Then you should be able to manage at least 1300 with the mouse.
That in particular is funny, not saying you´re wrong but i´ve had multiple times now where i hit 2100 (usually hit higher) and i get 2 traces only and 1 sliver, wonder if thats a bug or intended.
I don't like 'The Walking Dead' so I will not get drawn into these Zombie Threads.
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
It's 860 for 2 traces
1300 three traces
1700 sliver and a trace
It's difficult right now because of the lag. It was the same last year. So best to wait a week or two. Then you should be able to manage at least 1300 with the mouse.
That in particular is funny, not saying you´re wrong but i´ve had multiple times now where i hit 2100 (usually hit higher) and i get 2 traces only and 1 sliver, wonder if thats a bug or intended.
That is correct.
2001-2300 = 1 sliver + 2trace
2301+ = 1 sliver + 3 trace
plus anything over 1300 gives small chance at shard. I actually got 2 so far.
Captain Jean-Luc Picard: "We think we've come so far. Torture of heretics, burning of witches, it's all ancient history. Then - before you can blink an eye - suddenly it threatens to start all over again."
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
Who am I kidding. As I said last year, I cannot get over 500 normally. I still have the blitz after getting into the 100's. This year there are two blitzes, with the second even faster than the first. During these blitzes even if I am sitting on a row one or two will look to jump over the catch. As someone suggested I tried by just parking the mouse on one row and let it go on its own. Got the one trace like I do when I jump around with the mouse. At this stage, I just wish it would abort after a few seconds. I still get the trace and can get another one going again quicker.
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Huh. Guess I'm lucky, I don't think I've ever seen this super-speed-up thing happen before. Only issues I have are when it ends early, or when another window (another particle, or loot critter, etc) opens on top of the minigame. Using mouse, I typically get 2300+, unless I miss one, then panic & overcompensate, missing several more.
> @ralphgraphite said: > Is there a limit to how many traces you are supposed to be able to scan a day? Often getting 0 points or having the molecule not fill. Don't want to waste my time.
day one I was getting 600, as of this morning I'm getting 2100-2700 every time. Go somewhere where there are no other people, change instance if you have to, and use a mouse.
Hitting the scores isn't the problem, the complete tedium of doing it is. Four days in and I'm bored out of my mind lol. Still, only another three weeks to go hehe
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I noticed the speedup comes when the point score hits 100 and you move from 5 points per to 10 per. The next speedup occurs at a score of 300 when you begin to get 15 per.
I am never able to catch a particle at its tail as some have indicated they can do. If I am not at the catch waiting for it, it does not count. Also, during these speedups a particle or two will jump over me at the catch and also not count.
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
The best scores can be had in quiet zones, but this is also time-of-day dependent to some degree, influenced by 'net traffic in general. I have scored as high as 2600, which yielded particle traces, a sliver and a fragment (3 shards = 1 fragment). I have gotten fragments at scores as low as 2200, I think, and this year they are nearly as frequent as shards (I can't remember getting ANY fragments last year).
The upgrades are the best in the game, since they can be used to upgrade any ship equipment, without dil cost, and 2x rarity upgrade chance. If we could sell them on the exchange, the starting price would be >1M EC, easily.
There is no limit to the number of particles you can farm, and they will remain in your inventory as long as you let them. Last year, I bought many extra traces, slivers, and shards on the exchange to match what I lacked to complete upgrades, but unless Cryptic fixes the character bind bug, that won't be the case this year. Last year, only the completed upgrades were character bound.
Particles are converted to higher-level slivers, shards, fragments and upgrades in the "Special Projects" R&D tab, not Science. If you don't have enough components to run the mission, it will be greyed out, otherwise even common DOffs can complete these assignments. I personally will likely spend several hours farming particles on each alt, because the upgrades saved me a fortune in dil last year!
I have tried the arrow keys for the mini-game, but I learned it with the mouse, so I will either have to invest some time in re-training, or just be satisfied with the laggy mouse response. It's really annoying to see the particle stream rubber-banding sometimes, but this just reinforces the need to do my farming in off-peak hours.
There are times when doing the daily 3-location Q Omega mission that I get 0 points & 0 particles, but it still satisfies the requirement for Q somehow! I find that because of these occasional bugs, it's most efficient to run collection inside & out of the normal locations, completing 3-4 runs each, so my R&D DOffs have available inventory all the time.
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I have seen the fragments (3 make the Upgrade) going for about 2.5 million EC on the Exchange. So 1 million EC for the Upgrade would be a big bargain.
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Beside finding a nice quiet instance / location (which can be difficult), you may also want to change your posture so when you are using the mouse your arm does not tense up. I find that I generally do well when my arm is relaxed and I all need to do is make small movements with my arm to glide the mouse up and down. Of course, when I start feeling lag (a lot of times), my arm tends to tighten up a bit as I play catch up. But after each attempt to collect omega particles I relax my arm again before repeating.
I also find that the mouse I use can have an affect on my performance in the mini-game. I have tested 3 mice when playing the game. From oldest to newest and most expensive to least expensive; Logitech Performance MX wireless mouse (~$90), Logitech G500 wired gaming mouse (~$75) and HP x4000b bluetooth mouse (~$20). I find that for the omega particle mini-game the HP X4000b works best because it is small and light compared to the other two mice that I own.
On a good day with no lag to fight against, I can generally get between 2,000 to 2,700 most of the time. I also have a bottle of eye drops since staring intently eventually drys out my eyes.
Huh. Guess I'm lucky, I don't think I've ever seen this super-speed-up thing happen before. Only issues I have are when it ends early, or when another window (another particle, or loot critter, etc) opens on top of the minigame. Using mouse, I typically get 2300+, unless I miss one, then panic & overcompensate, missing several more.
It's supposed to speed up. I think that you can get lag spikes. Lag spikes will make the game seem to run ridic fast for a few secs, but it's not the game itself.
But each time you complete a molecule, the game gets a little faster. It gets to be more than just a little fast when you get over 2000. :P
Use mouse, it's so much easier. The only little bit of difficulty is when they alternate between the top and bottom when things get fast. 95% of my games are all above 2000 points without trying. One other thing is to turn the sound off, the beeping sometimes doesn't line up for me, it's better if I played without sound to ruin my rhythm.
I use the mouse and there is no sound as I have that piped through earphones that I don't wear except when there is a new FE. I am not very good at any of this. Mining I will occasionally get the 720 but most of the time between 510 and 680 or so; there I use the keys.
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Once we spend our month collecting the Omega particle traces will these components and tech upgrades be available in game until used up, or will they magically all disappear on the 26th of Feb?
Just curious.
They didn't disappear last year, and neither did the R&D projects associated with them.
I had a few traces and silvers sitting there for the whole year. So it's all good.
I use the mouse and there is no sound as I have that piped through earphones that I don't wear except when there is a new FE. I am not very good at any of this. Mining I will occasionally get the 720 but most of the time between 510 and 680 or so; there I use the keys.
Well, since you have identified the problem the next step is to fix it. IE put on the headphones so you can hear the minigame.
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l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
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And also you need to take in to account that they speed up each time you destroy molecules so it gets harder to collect them which makes it even harder for the average player to get over the 860 mark to get more than 1. And I just got 1200 points only to get 2 and if you are saying you need 1350 to get 3 not every player will be able to get that so most players will have to do it 240 times to get 1 upgrade.
1300 three traces
1700 sliver and a trace
It's difficult right now because of the lag. It was the same last year. So best to wait a week or two. Then you should be able to manage at least 1300 with the mouse.
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
That in particular is funny, not saying you´re wrong but i´ve had multiple times now where i hit 2100 (usually hit higher) and i get 2 traces only and 1 sliver, wonder if thats a bug or intended.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
That is correct.
2001-2300 = 1 sliver + 2trace
2301+ = 1 sliver + 3 trace
plus anything over 1300 gives small chance at shard. I actually got 2 so far.
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
> Is there a limit to how many traces you are supposed to be able to scan a day? Often getting 0 points or having the molecule not fill. Don't want to waste my time.
I think it may depend on your rank.
And for a frag too. I've already got 2-3 of them.
Hitting the scores isn't the problem, the complete tedium of doing it is. Four days in and I'm bored out of my mind lol. Still, only another three weeks to go hehe
I am never able to catch a particle at its tail as some have indicated they can do. If I am not at the catch waiting for it, it does not count. Also, during these speedups a particle or two will jump over me at the catch and also not count.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
The upgrades are the best in the game, since they can be used to upgrade any ship equipment, without dil cost, and 2x rarity upgrade chance. If we could sell them on the exchange, the starting price would be >1M EC, easily.
There is no limit to the number of particles you can farm, and they will remain in your inventory as long as you let them. Last year, I bought many extra traces, slivers, and shards on the exchange to match what I lacked to complete upgrades, but unless Cryptic fixes the character bind bug, that won't be the case this year. Last year, only the completed upgrades were character bound.
Particles are converted to higher-level slivers, shards, fragments and upgrades in the "Special Projects" R&D tab, not Science. If you don't have enough components to run the mission, it will be greyed out, otherwise even common DOffs can complete these assignments. I personally will likely spend several hours farming particles on each alt, because the upgrades saved me a fortune in dil last year!
I have tried the arrow keys for the mini-game, but I learned it with the mouse, so I will either have to invest some time in re-training, or just be satisfied with the laggy mouse response. It's really annoying to see the particle stream rubber-banding sometimes, but this just reinforces the need to do my farming in off-peak hours.
There are times when doing the daily 3-location Q Omega mission that I get 0 points & 0 particles, but it still satisfies the requirement for Q somehow! I find that because of these occasional bugs, it's most efficient to run collection inside & out of the normal locations, completing 3-4 runs each, so my R&D DOffs have available inventory all the time.
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l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
I also find that the mouse I use can have an affect on my performance in the mini-game. I have tested 3 mice when playing the game. From oldest to newest and most expensive to least expensive; Logitech Performance MX wireless mouse (~$90), Logitech G500 wired gaming mouse (~$75) and HP x4000b bluetooth mouse (~$20). I find that for the omega particle mini-game the HP X4000b works best because it is small and light compared to the other two mice that I own.
On a good day with no lag to fight against, I can generally get between 2,000 to 2,700 most of the time. I also have a bottle of eye drops since staring intently eventually drys out my eyes.
But each time you complete a molecule, the game gets a little faster. It gets to be more than just a little fast when you get over 2000. :P
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l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
I had a few traces and silvers sitting there for the whole year. So it's all good.
My character Tsin'xing