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flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User

As we all know very well, the Federation uses the USS prefix on their ships. The Klingon Empire uses the prefix IKS, and the Romulan Star Empire uses the prefix IRW, or in some cases (ST: Nemesis) PWB. STO has also introduced RRW as a prefix for Republic ships, and there are other prefix labels for ships of the Gorn and Orion vessels, among others.

What does USS actually stand for though? Does it stand for anything? Should it even be USS? To my knowledge, it's never been stated in any show or film. I can only assume it's suppose to mean United or Unified or something similar to that, but wouldn't an F have been the better choice instead of a U, thus resulting in Federation Star Ship (FSS)?

I'm not here suggesting the devs change anything by the way, this is purely a discussion on Trek (specifically, the Federation) at it's core.
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  • rangerryurangerryu Member Posts: 284 Arc User
    it's based of America's ship designations so United States of America, U.S.S. so I'm guessing the thinking was United Federation of Planets so again United. As for what the USS stands for as with everything Star Trek it contradicts itself (even within TOS) it either stands for United Space Ship, or United Star Ship.
  • admiralnatadmiralnat Member Posts: 22,432 Arc User
    I think this will help: memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/USS
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  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    rangerryu wrote: »
    it's based of America's ship designations so United States of America, U.S.S. so I'm guessing the thinking was United Federation of Planets so again United. As for what the USS stands for as with everything Star Trek it contradicts itself (even within TOS) it either stands for United Space Ship, or United Star Ship.
    admiralnat wrote: »
    I think this will help: memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/USS
    I get that. Maybe I wasn't clear.

    ...would FSS (or something different) be more suitable? I know everyone has probably become assigned with the USS prefix now, so anything else on a Federation ship just wouldn't look right, from from a logical/consistency point of view?


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  • dalolorndalolorn Member Posts: 3,655 Arc User
    United Systems Starship, more likely. Converting the prefix would result in FS. :p

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  • alexmakepeacealexmakepeace Member Posts: 10,633 Arc User
    It stands for Unusually Smug Starship.
  • khan5000khan5000 Member Posts: 3,005 Arc User
    flash525 wrote: »
    rangerryu wrote: »
    it's based of America's ship designations so United States of America, U.S.S. so I'm guessing the thinking was United Federation of Planets so again United. As for what the USS stands for as with everything Star Trek it contradicts itself (even within TOS) it either stands for United Space Ship, or United Star Ship.
    admiralnat wrote: »
    I think this will help: memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/USS
    I get that. Maybe I wasn't clear.

    ...would FSS (or something different) be more suitable? I know everyone has probably become assigned with the USS prefix now, so anything else on a Federation ship just wouldn't look right, from from a logical/consistency point of view?


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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 10,896 Arc User
    While never canonically explained I guess the most common explanation is "United Space Ship" and its used for Starfleet ships, regardless if it's original Starfleet or non-Starfleet that was comissioned for duty (Vulcan or otherwise civilian, for example).

    UFP starships not associated with Starfleet usually have a "SS" prefix which probably only stands for "Star Ship" or "Space Ship".

    There's no reason to have something else. Cryptic/STO assigns a prefix for every faction and species, although there was never any indication something like that was even used by all space faring civilizations. The "national" prefixes of VSS (Vulcan) or CSS, TSS and the Andorian one are probably not used "actually" and they are just in for customization.​​
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  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 9,813 Arc User
    Since so much of Diane Duane's material was lifted for the Romulan arc, I wish I had the option of using the ChR prefix for my Rom ships.

    However, the explanations given above are canon for the designation. (The real reason was probably that TOS was being produced in the 1960s, and Roddenberry didn't want to have to deal with right-wing reaction to the concept of a future in which the US wasn't a big deal.)​​
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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 10,896 Arc User
    jonsills wrote: »
    Since so much of Diane Duane's material was lifted for the Romulan arc, I wish I had the option of using the ChR prefix for my Rom ships.

    However, the explanations given above are canon for the designation. (The real reason was probably that TOS was being produced in the 1960s, and Roddenberry didn't want to have to deal with right-wing reaction to the concept of a future in which the US wasn't a big deal.)

    There is even an epsiode where we get to see Kirk et al. "fanwank" all over the US constitution. It's one of the more painful episodes pig-2.gif

    The NCC has a behind-the-scenes explanation of being the fusion of the civilian aircraft registry prefix of the US and a soviet code, illustrating some sense of cooperation. Another one is it just looked good. Who knows.​​
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  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
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    angrytarg wrote: »
    The NCC has a behind-the-scenes explanation of being the fusion of the civilian aircraft registry prefix of the US and a soviet code, illustrating some sense of cooperation. Another one is it just looked good. Who knows.​​
    I had always assumed NCC stood for Naval Construction Contract, which makes complete sense.

    Edit: Not sure about NX though...

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  • dareaudareau Member Posts: 2,389 Arc User
    flash525 wrote: »
    angrytarg wrote: »
    The NCC has a behind-the-scenes explanation of being the fusion of the civilian aircraft registry prefix of the US and a soviet code, illustrating some sense of cooperation. Another one is it just looked good. Who knows.​​
    I had always assumed NCC stood for Naval Construction Contract, which makes complete sense.

    Edit: Not sure about NX though...

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  • lessley00lessley00 Member Posts: 1,200 Arc User
    flash525 wrote: »
    STO has also introduced RRW as a prefix for Republic ships, and there are other prefix labels for ships of the Gorn and Orion vessels, among others.

    You mean things like: K.I.S. (Krenim Imperium/Imperial Ship)?, C.U.V. (Cardassian Union Vessel)?, R.R.W. (Romulan Republic Warbird)? K.D.C. (Kobali Defense Cruiser)?

    These prefixes are un-inventive and bad. lets try something better: Krenim: I.S.V (Imperial Space Vessel) Cardassian: Order number and ship type (Keldon class in Third Order) T.O.C.W. (Third Order Command Warship), Romulan Republic: R.S.W (Republic Star Warbird), now K.D.C. is actually not that bad so Im not revising it
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  • psycoticvulcanpsycoticvulcan Member Posts: 4,160 Arc User
    I always assumed that pre-Federation Starfleet ships (22nd century) used UESS (United Earth Star Ship), and when the Federation was founded they dropped Earth from the prefix, leaving them with just United Star Ship.
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    I always assumed that pre-Federation Starfleet ships (22nd century) used UESS (United Earth Star Ship), and when the Federation was founded they dropped Earth from the prefix, leaving them with just United Star Ship.

    Blown away by the fact that the NX-01 was known only as Enterprise and not the UESS Enterprise.
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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 10,896 Arc User
    flash525 wrote: »
    angrytarg wrote: »
    The NCC has a behind-the-scenes explanation of being the fusion of the civilian aircraft registry prefix of the US and a soviet code, illustrating some sense of cooperation. Another one is it just looked good. Who knows.
    I had always assumed NCC stood for Naval Construction Contract, which makes complete sense.

    Edit: Not sure about NX though...

    The Naval Construction Contract is only mentioned in the Franz-Josef manual and I personally think this is too close to real life. Also, why should Starfleet star ships designed "Naval"? They aren't a navy.

    From MA:

    The use of NCC as a prefix for Starfleet registry numbers, Matt Jefferies said that the registries for American civil aircraft are preceded by NC, and Soviet craft used a prefix of CCCC, and as such, he more-or-less combined the two. His philosophy was, "If we do anything in space, we (Americans and Russians) have to do it together." [X]wbm In contrast, the Star Trek Encyclopedia (2nd ed., p. 317) claims that the second C was just an arbitrary addition to make the registry look better.

    I personally have no headcanon what NCC stands for and I don't mind. It's not important - I like the cooperative approach, but as I said, somewhere else I read they used it because it just looked good on the TV screen since they had to use huge (like immensely huge) text on the hull to be recognisable on old TVs pig-2.gif​​
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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 10,896 Arc User
    edited January 2016
    Ever since I can remember I just automatically saw USS as United Star Ship. As for NCC, either Navel Construction Code or Numbered Construction Code. (...)

    I like "Numbered Construction Code", it gets rid of the terran navy reference and makes sense. pig-1.gif​​
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    "That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    Wasn't the NX-01 the SS Enterprise? I'm sure when its name was displayed (alongside NX-02 Columbia) it has the prefix SS.​​
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  • khan5000khan5000 Member Posts: 3,005 Arc User
    The NCC should have been the code for the type of ship class the ship belonged to with one of the "C"s standing for Cruiser in the case of the TOS Enterprise. This would be a good way to keep ship numbers down and get rid of "A", "B" and "C" designation on ships.
    example: NCC - 1701 is The Enterprise
    NCF - 1701 is a frigate with the same hull number
    NCB - 1701 would be a Battleship
    NCD - 1701 would be a destroyer
    NCS - 1701 would be a science ship
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  • admiralnatadmiralnat Member Posts: 22,432 Arc User
    edited January 2016
    The NX-01 Enterprise and NX-02 were actually U.S.S., it's just not shown on the ship's hulls or stated by any particular character, but is shown here (although this may or may not be a mistake):

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    Oh, now don't tell me you want in on all this! Well, ok. Look this that Egg Pawn hanging outside your window, pointing his laser rifle at you, waiting for my next order. He's doing his part. He helps conquer the weak-minded. He roboticizes the weak-bodied. Heck, he even helps keep the useless people from causing any trouble, but you know what? Join. Find the closest Nataran Empire roboticization center near you and join the ranks, before the ranks find you. Oh, I know, you figure it must be so satisfying to know I basically rule the world now, and you know what? It is, but do you want to know the true definition of satisfaction? Well, let me tell you a little story. One day, you see a brand new event. They're giving out boxes that give old event stuff. Your dilithium is plentiful. You buy a whole lot of Phoenix packs on your main, and open them all. You get one epic token. Then, you decide, that since you have all the Breen ships and don't give a damn about the others, you exchange it for an ultra rare, and grab yourself a Jem'Hadar Attack Ship and for the hell of it, a Voth Bulwark. You open both, leaving the Bulwark in your vast masses of starships as you jump into the bugship and deck it out, deck by deck, into the most awesome Jem'Hadar ship you can. You fly it. You enjoy it. Eventually, you get bored and leave, leaving the old Bulwark never flown... until later. Your main is long complete. Your new alt main, based off some character you pulled out of nothing just to explain away some starship being in service without the command of your dear admiral, is also complete. Mostly. Their reps and doffs are hard at work, getting you stuff. You realize the potential, and head back for your dear admiral, pull the most Voth themed build you can out of thin air, and suit up in your giant ship in the shape of you know what. You head out... and cause all sorts of havoc. Enemies scream out your name as their very life is drained away by your swarms of Aceton Assimilators. They complain to the devs of your OPness when you revive yourself from death every time you die. Do you show any form of mercy? No. After all, this isn't the United Federation of Planets, this is mother frakkin' Starfleet, where you explore strange new worlds and kick butt never kicked before. Oh, and you realize that I just wrote another speech rivaling your own signature. Cool. Oh, wait, that's just the original draft, it is part of my signature now. Oh, and yes, I am aware that I have become a Canadian Regent; one day, sooner than you'd expect, we'll suddenly decide to take over the world and declare an "alliance", and I shall become it's Regent. You know, like the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance in the mirror universe of our beloved Star Trek. Oh, who'll we be taking over with? I dunno, maybe [REDACTED], or maybe aliens from outer space. Guess you'll have to wait and find out, won't we? Until then, don't ask too many questions, or else my Breen allies on Titania might pick up on your -- [REDACTED BY BREEN CONFEDERACY FOR REASONS] Also, psst... keep an eye out for flying Tribbles! Also walls. Big, great walls, separating entire continents apart. Walls patrolled by Tribbles. Flying Tribbles. Flying Nukara Tribbles. Don't worry, it's not like they were on Venus with a herd of Tholians or anything, they just like the extreme heat and brutal weather like acid rain and hurricane force winds as the norm. Oh, and definitely keep your eye out on any two-tailed foxes, because if they ain't glowing, they're definitely an imposter. Possibly an Undine, we caught one of those once in my place once. Oh, and if you find a two-tailed fox that doesn't like the cold... most certainly ask him to say sorry. If he refuses, DESTROY HIM WITH A DOOMSDAY MACHINE, BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING ELSE THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH AGAINST SUCH AN OVERPOWERED IMPOSTER!

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  • rattler2rattler2 Member Posts: 55,808 Community Moderator
    khan5000 wrote: »
    The NCC should have been the code for the type of ship class the ship belonged to with one of the "C"s standing for Cruiser in the case of the TOS Enterprise. This would be a good way to keep ship numbers down and get rid of "A", "B" and "C" designation on ships.
    example: NCC - 1701 is The Enterprise
    NCF - 1701 is a frigate with the same hull number
    NCB - 1701 would be a Battleship
    NCD - 1701 would be a destroyer
    NCS - 1701 would be a science ship

    Ah... but Registry numbers were generally unique to a given starship. And generally different classes did have a range, such as the Constitution being 1700. Normally if a ship was destroyed, a future ship that would bear the name would have a different registry number, such as the Defiant from TOS being 1764 and the Defiant from DS9 being 74205.

    So you would never see two ships of different classes with the same registry number.

    As to adding the letter suffex to a registry number, before the Enterprise-A that didn't exist. They ignored tradition and gave the new Enterprise the registry number of predesessor as an honor for Kirk and his crew's service. And since then every Enterprise since then has had 1701-(suffex) because Enterprise is so iconic.

    I attribute the prefixes to something similar to aircraft.

    NX is for prototypes, just like prototype military planes are X-(insert number)
    NCC is the standard.
    NCV seems to be for timeships like the Relativity.
    NAR... not a frickin' clue. Maybe for Civilian Contractor or Surplus.
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  • sevenofnine13141sevenofnine13141 Member Posts: 4,265 Arc User
    admiralnat wrote: »
    The NX-01 Enterprise and NX-02 were actually U.S.S., it's just not shown on the ship's hulls or stated by any particular character, but is shown here (although this may or may not be a mistake):

    latest?cb=20120722123906&path-prefix=en
    ... Officially, Enterprise and Columbia did not hold the USS prefix. It was officially SS. When the Federation was founded in 2161, the USS prefix was adopted and used by all Federation starships to this day.
    angrytarg wrote: »
    Ever since I can remember I just automatically saw USS as United Star Ship. As for NCC, either Navel Construction Code or Numbered Construction Code. (...)

    I like "Numbered Construction Code", it gets rid of the terran navy reference and makes sense. pig-1.gif​​
    Err.... Technically, NCC stood for Naval Construction Contract.
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    (...)
    Err.... Technically, NCC stood for Naval Construction Contract.
    Sometimes you have informational advantages when accessing the Federation Database- the public one that is. :p

    Err... sometimes it helps to read the thread. You're not bringing anything new to the table. And "Naval Construction Code" is not canon pig-3.gif​​
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  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    angrytarg wrote: »
    (...)
    Err.... Technically, NCC stood for Naval Construction Contract.
    Sometimes you have informational advantages when accessing the Federation Database- the public one that is. :p

    Err... sometimes it helps to read the thread. You're not bringing anything new to the table. And "Naval Construction Code" is not canon pig-3.gif

    NCC - Non Canon Code.​​
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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 10,896 Arc User
    artan42 wrote: »
    NCC - Non Canon Code.

    Nailed it.​​
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  • khan5000khan5000 Member Posts: 3,005 Arc User
    rattler2 wrote: »
    khan5000 wrote: »
    The NCC should have been the code for the type of ship class the ship belonged to with one of the "C"s standing for Cruiser in the case of the TOS Enterprise. This would be a good way to keep ship numbers down and get rid of "A", "B" and "C" designation on ships.
    example: NCC - 1701 is The Enterprise
    NCF - 1701 is a frigate with the same hull number
    NCB - 1701 would be a Battleship
    NCD - 1701 would be a destroyer
    NCS - 1701 would be a science ship

    Ah... but Registry numbers were generally unique to a given starship. And generally different classes did have a range, such as the Constitution being 1700. Normally if a ship was destroyed, a future ship that would bear the name would have a different registry number, such as the Defiant from TOS being 1764 and the Defiant from DS9 being 74205.

    So you would never see two ships of different classes with the same registry number.

    As to adding the letter suffex to a registry number, before the Enterprise-A that didn't exist. They ignored tradition and gave the new Enterprise the registry number of predesessor as an honor for Kirk and his crew's service. And since then every Enterprise since then has had 1701-(suffex) because Enterprise is so iconic.

    I attribute the prefixes to something similar to aircraft.

    NX is for prototypes, just like prototype military planes are X-(insert number)
    NCC is the standard.
    NCV seems to be for timeships like the Relativity.
    NAR... not a frickin' clue. Maybe for Civilian Contractor or Surplus.

    You can still have the unique registry numbers by giving them a different designator. In the US Navy (I realize someone in this thread is ready to jump on me for suggesting anything terran Navy be applied to Star Trek) we have BB-64 and CV-64...BB being the designator for Battleship and CV being the designator for Carrier. You'll never mix the two ships apart because of the designator. And then you can change things up by having cruisers be four numbered and 1700 be the Connie. 1800 be the Excelsiors. For the larger dreadnoughts they get a two number designator...for the smaller ships...defiant class three numbers....this way if in the future we aren't basing a show on a ship with a six, seven or eight number registry.

    I know why the "A" was added in story...I am just not a fan of it. The name "Enterprise" alone should be enough.
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    @khan5000 I'm not going to jump on anyone pig-43.gif I just think using "in the navy" arguments to debate Star Trek are just moot as it's not comparable. You can still use it to debate over it. In this case, though, Starfleet registries do not differentiate between what kind of ships gets what registry. There's not even a temporal logic in them, some people theorized that the higher the number the newer the ship (logical, since the numbers increase) - however, there's plenty of canon working against that. It seems Starfleet registries are just completely random.

    Only thing that has a basis is that ships smaller than runabouts do not get a registry of their own but use their mother ship's number with a suffix. A runabout and up is considered independent craft and sport their own name and registry.​​
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  • khan5000khan5000 Member Posts: 3,005 Arc User
    angrytarg wrote: »
    @khan5000 I'm not going to jump on anyone pig-43.gif I just think using "in the navy" arguments to debate Star Trek are just moot as it's not comparable. You can still use it to debate over it. In this case, though, Starfleet registries do not differentiate between what kind of ships gets what registry. There's not even a temporal logic in them, some people theorized that the higher the number the newer the ship (logical, since the numbers increase) - however, there's plenty of canon working against that. It seems Starfleet registries are just completely random.

    Only thing that has a basis is that ships smaller than runabouts do not get a registry of their own but use their mother ship's number with a suffix. A runabout and up is considered independent craft and sport their own name and registry.​​

    it was in jest...

    My thinking is that the registries should differentiate between class of ships. The Connie 1700 listing doesn't work when you consider that there were only supposed to be 12 and the Defiant (Connie Class) was 1764.
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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 10,896 Arc User
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    khan5000 wrote: »
    it was in jest...

    My thinking is that the registries should differentiate between class of ships. The Connie 1700 listing doesn't work when you consider that there were only supposed to be 12 and the Defiant (Connie Class) was 1764.

    It falls apart even before that (MA):

    NCC-1700
    NCC-1707
    USS Ahwahnee (NCC-2048)
    USS Constellation (NCC-1017)
    USS Defiant (NCC-1764)5
    USS Eagle (NCC-956)
    USS Emden (NCC-1856)
    USS Endeavour (NCC-1895)
    USS Enterprise (NCC-1701)
    USS Enterprise (NCC-1701-A)
    USS Excalibur (NCC-1664)
    USS Exeter (NCC-1672)
    USS Hood (NCC-1703)
    USS Intrepid (NCC-1631)
    USS Korolev (NCC-2014)
    USS Lexington (NCC-1709)
    USS Potemkin (NCC-1659)

    All constitution class ships of verified canon appearance​​
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member Posts: 55,808 Community Moderator
    I see registry numbers as basically unique ID Codes. If a ship's transponder is down, you can get a visual ID even if you can't get a clear look at the name. The Registry Number would be enough to identify that particular ship. So if you came across some debris from a destroyed ship and the name was burned off, you could still ID the ship based on her Registry Number.

    So...

    Piece of Debris: C-1864

    Still enough to identify it as the USS Reliant.

    Its like tail numbers on a plane. Unique to that particular unit. The only real anomaly outside of 22nd Century registries is the Defiant. The prototype was NX-74205, which follows established rules, but her successor was originally the Sao Palo and was renamed to Defiant and was NCC-74205. Technically she could have had the -A suffex to id her as the second ship with that registry number. Rules probably got muddy when we go from a prototype to a production model though.
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