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Cryptic: T6 Mesh Weaver, Please.

Or let me upgrade this one to have 11 consoles. Seriously, I would throw 10 ship upgrades at this thing if it would bump it up to where it should be.

The last few ships we got for free all 11-console ships (or could be upgraded to have 11 consoles):
-Veteran reward destroyers
-Kobali Samsar
-Risian Corvette
-Risian Yacht
-Breen Rezreth
-Breen Plesh Brek
-Breen Chel Grett
-Breen Sar Theln

So, if the welfare ships are T6 (or T5-U) with 11 consoles, why put out a ship we have to purchase, that is stuck at 10 after spending a ship upgrade token on it?

Please at least give us the option of upgrading it all the way, even if it requires further investment on our part.

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  • lopequillopequil Member Posts: 1,226 Arc User
    Why? The Kazon Heavy Raider, APU Cruiser and one of the Coalition ships were T5-U and I don't have any complaints about them. If you're dead set on a T6 I would be asking for an Orb Weaver revamp.
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  • risian4risian4 Member Posts: 3,711 Arc User
    It CAN be upgraded to T5-U OP.

    And of course it's not T6, the odds of getting such a ship from a lockbox are much higher than getting one of the other ships.
  • aethon3050aethon3050 Member Posts: 599 Arc User
    edited January 2016
    lopequil wrote: »
    Why? The Kazon Heavy Raider, APU Cruiser and one of the Coalition ships were T5-U and I don't have any complaints about them. If you're dead set on a T6 I would be asking for an Orb Weaver revamp.

    I have an Orbie; it is not an escort. I just want 11 consoles. Frankly, ALL of these ships should be upgradable to 11 consoles, somehow, even if a large investment was required on the player's part.
    risian4 wrote: »
    It CAN be upgraded to T5-U OP.
    And of course it's not T6, the odds of getting such a ship from a lockbox are much higher than getting one of the other ships.

    I am not asking for it to be easy, or cheap. Never have. I just want it to be possible, somehow.
  • risian4risian4 Member Posts: 3,711 Arc User
    Oh and the Veteran ships are not free lol.

    Besides, just because we get free ships that are T6 or freely upgradeable to T5-U doesn't mean that they should do the same for all T-5 ships.
  • aethon3050aethon3050 Member Posts: 599 Arc User
    risian4 wrote: »
    Oh and the Veteran ships are not free lol.

    Granted.
    risian4 wrote: »
    Besides, just because we get free ships that are T6 or freely upgradeable to T5-U doesn't mean that they should do the same for all T-5 ships.

    Never asked for free upgrades. Just the ability to do so, even if it requires a large investment on my part.
  • risian4risian4 Member Posts: 3,711 Arc User
    When the Tholian Meshweaver Escort is upgraded to T5-U with a Starship Upgrade Requisition it gains the following improvements:

    Hull Strength: 31,050 at level 50 and 36,000 at level 60
    +1 Tactical Console Slot
    Starship Ability Package (Escort)
    Precise Weapon Systems (+Accuracy)
    Tactical Maneuvering (+Defense)
    Enhanced Weapon Systems (+Weapon Damage)
    Devastating Weaponry (+Critical Hit Chance)

    I don't see the problem?
  • risian4risian4 Member Posts: 3,711 Arc User
    A ship with 10 consoles is pretty good for a ship that's meant as a consolation prize. Especially if they're 5 tac consoles.
  • aethon3050aethon3050 Member Posts: 599 Arc User
    risian4 wrote: »
    A ship with 10 consoles is pretty good for a ship that's meant as a consolation prize. Especially if they're 5 tac consoles.

    For a consolation prize, sure...but why not make it capable of being fully-upgraded to 11 consoles? Why would Cryptic not want to sell more fleet ship modules? I don't care how ridiculous the cost would be; when you have fans of a ship, and you release it in a sub-par state with no chance of a proper upgrade, it's kind of a kick in the nads.
  • risian4risian4 Member Posts: 3,711 Arc User
    aethon3050 wrote: »
    risian4 wrote: »
    A ship with 10 consoles is pretty good for a ship that's meant as a consolation prize. Especially if they're 5 tac consoles.

    For a consolation prize, sure...but why not make it capable of being fully-upgraded to 11 consoles? Why would Cryptic not want to sell more fleet ship modules? I don't care how ridiculous the cost would be; when you have fans of a ship, and you release it in a sub-par state with no chance of a proper upgrade, it's kind of a kick in the nads.

    Maybe it is, but it's not like this is something new. Whatever their reasons may be, they didn't make popular ships like the Kumari, Odyssey, Regent or the Vestas upgradeable to T6 either.

    I guess they want some ships to be of a lower tier. And given that the Mesh weaver is basically a hangar pet and they already picked the Tarantula as the T6 ship for this box, I can understand that. They needed a ship as a consolation prize, they chose the Mesh Weaver. Making it upgradeable to T6 would basically mean that they add two T6 ships in one lock box. The Herald box was the only one that did that, and the Vonph is a very rare ship.

    So theoretically speaking, they could make it upgradeable to T6, but it would become one of the rarest ships in the game and that would just completely change its function in the new lockbox.

    But I can understand your point too. And I hope some of the other T5 ships get some love too, but given that they have good reasons why they're doing things the way they're doing it, I don't think it will happen.
  • aethon3050aethon3050 Member Posts: 599 Arc User
    edited January 2016
    risian4 wrote: »
    aethon3050 wrote: »
    risian4 wrote: »
    A ship with 10 consoles is pretty good for a ship that's meant as a consolation prize. Especially if they're 5 tac consoles.

    For a consolation prize, sure...but why not make it capable of being fully-upgraded to 11 consoles? Why would Cryptic not want to sell more fleet ship modules? I don't care how ridiculous the cost would be; when you have fans of a ship, and you release it in a sub-par state with no chance of a proper upgrade, it's kind of a kick in the nads.

    Maybe it is, but it's not like this is something new. Whatever their reasons may be, they didn't make popular ships like the Kumari, Odyssey, Regent or the Vestas upgradeable to T6 either.

    I guess they want some ships to be of a lower tier. And given that the Mesh weaver is basically a hangar pet and they already picked the Tarantula as the T6 ship for this box, I can understand that. They needed a ship as a consolation prize, they chose the Mesh Weaver. Making it upgradeable to T6 would basically mean that they add two T6 ships in one lock box. The Herald box was the only one that did that, and the Vonph is a very rare ship.

    So theoretically speaking, they could make it upgradeable to T6, but it would become one of the rarest ships in the game and that would just completely change its function in the new lockbox.

    But I can understand your point too. And I hope some of the other T5 ships get some love too, but given that they have good reasons why they're doing things the way they're doing it, I don't think it will happen.

    My Kumari has 11 consoles. So does my Tac Odyssey. So does the best version of the Sovereign/Regent. So do the upgraded Vestas.

    As for playable hangar pets having 11 consoles, take a look at the Breen frigates and the Jem Bugships.

    I am totally ok with it being rare, expensive, a pain to upgrade, whatever. I would ride my motorbike all the way from Florida to California if it meant getting hand-written authorization from Cryptic to upgrade my Mesh Weaver to 11 consoles. I would literally do just about anything...except the option isn't even there, and it makes no sense at all, be it from a customer standpoint, a gameplay standpoint, or even a business/money-making standpoint.

    Here's my wallet, Cryptic. Milk that TRIBBLE for all it's worth. All I ask is an 11-console Mesh Weaver, somehow.
  • risian4risian4 Member Posts: 3,711 Arc User
    The point is, this ship was meant not to be rare. And thus be of lower quality/tier, while still being good.

    The fact that you have no problem to spend huge amounts of cash on it, doesn't change anything about the fact that this ship was meant to be easier accessible for the playerbase at large. Probably to get them to buy some keys too, or for whatever reason.

    They have to consider more players, not just you.

    Just saying that they might include an option one day to get our T5's to T6. But since it would mean redesigning and remaking all ships, of which some like the Mesh Weaver were meant and specifically designed to be a lower tier, I wouldn't hope for it.
  • aethon3050aethon3050 Member Posts: 599 Arc User
    risian4 wrote: »
    The point is, this ship was meant not to be rare. And thus be of lower quality/tier, while still being good.

    The fact that you have no problem to spend huge amounts of cash on it, doesn't change anything about the fact that this ship was meant to be easier accessible for the playerbase at large. Probably to get them to buy some keys too, or for whatever reason.

    They have to consider more players, not just you.

    Just saying that they might include an option one day to get our T5's to T6. But since it would mean redesigning and remaking all ships, of which some like the Mesh Weaver were meant and specifically designed to be a lower tier, I wouldn't hope for it.

    I'm ok with the ship entering the game as a regular old (and I do mean old) T5, but an upgrade path should be made available somehow.
  • theillusivenmantheillusivenman Member Posts: 438 Arc User
    aethon3050 wrote: »
    So, if the welfare ships are T6 (or T5-U) with 11 consoles, why put out a ship we have to purchase, that is stuck at 10 after spending a ship upgrade token on it?
    1) LTS ships aren't free.
    2) Other freebies are tied to timed event, and thus are technicly not really accessable for everyone (ie the new player that started playing today can not get any of the previous free ships).
    3) You don't have to purchase anything
    4) They always give out mirror ships, great leveling/new player/admiralty ships that can be bought for cheap EC and test. People generally want these kinds of ships for abovementioned reasons, it's not just you, it's their needs that need to be considered by the devs.
    5) It's consolation prize - or rather new player/leveling/test ship, it was never meant to be a mainstay of the players
    6) It has much higher drop rate then the rest, if it would be fully upgradable, everyone not having the EC or Zen for T6s would jump on this one, and probably some of the other folks, Cryptic would be loosing money since people wouldn't spend on T6 (this ship will probably sell for like 10 mill, plus ship upgrade token and you'd be looking at the cheapest 11 console ship in game)
    7) It's T5 baseline, like many other T5s already in a game (Marauder, Ar'kif, Kar'fi etc) it comes with 9 consoles, upon upgrading to T5U it gains 10th console. You need to have a Fleet T5U ship to have access to 11 consoles (or Zen/lockbox ship at T5U), this isn't one. And it doesn't belong to a playable faction, thus it cannot be a fleet ship.
    8) It doesn't even have bad boff or console layout, it gains 5th Tac console, it's pretty good for an just rare T5U ship
    9) You don't need to have T6 to be competitive
    10) You don't need to have 11 consoles to be competitive, I did 32m damage on T5U Kazon raider (10 console, also rare) using DHCs/turret/KCB on my Ferasan alt, similar DBB build would probably kick that to high 40s, that's more then enough for any current content.

    So do they spend resources changing a ship for a single person or present a ship that is usable for all captains with a fair drop rate as they designed it to be? Let's be honest here, if this would be T6 and you'd got it, you'd desperately want another vessel, because you can have this one (just like you can have so many other great ships, including all other Tholian vessels). Now just imagine if Cryptic would change their stuff after the wishes of every player... can you imagine how the game would look like?


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  • meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,587 Arc User
    aethon3050 wrote: »
    risian4 wrote: »
    A ship with 10 consoles is pretty good for a ship that's meant as a consolation prize. Especially if they're 5 tac consoles.

    For a consolation prize, sure...but why not make it capable of being fully-upgraded to 11 consoles? Why would Cryptic not want to sell more fleet ship modules? I don't care how ridiculous the cost would be; when you have fans of a ship, and you release it in a sub-par state with no chance of a proper upgrade, it's kind of a kick in the nads.


    Darn, I only now realize it only comes with 9 base consoles to start with. So, even at T5-U, it's still gonna have only 10 consoles. :(

    Sigh. The Paradox ship I wanted turns out to be Science; the Mesh Weaver only has 9 consoles; and the T6 Mobius I was really looking for is simply not there.
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  • kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    sorry... this thread needs this
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    ok humor over, continue whining
  • aethon3050aethon3050 Member Posts: 599 Arc User
    sorry... this thread needs this
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    ok humor over, continue whining

    It isn't whining; it's frustration over something that makes no sense. It's annoyingly stupid.
  • risian4risian4 Member Posts: 3,711 Arc User
    aethon3050 wrote: »
    sorry... this thread needs this
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    ok humor over, continue whining

    It isn't whining; it's frustration over something that makes no sense. It's annoyingly stupid.

    While I don't agree with the way kodachikuno is defining your posts and thread, the fact that you don't accept there may be good reasons for making a decision doesn't make the decision stupid.

    We don't know what their reasons are, but several good ones have been given in this thread. You can accept that or you can ignore them, but that doesn't mean they're not valid reasons.
  • theillusivenmantheillusivenman Member Posts: 438 Arc User
    aethon3050 wrote: »
    sorry... this thread needs this
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    ok humor over, continue whining

    It isn't whining; it's frustration over something that makes no sense. It's annoyingly stupid.

    It's whining, on two threads already too.
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  • theillusivenmantheillusivenman Member Posts: 438 Arc User
    edited January 2016
    meimeitoo wrote: »
    aethon3050 wrote: »
    risian4 wrote: »
    A ship with 10 consoles is pretty good for a ship that's meant as a consolation prize. Especially if they're 5 tac consoles.

    For a consolation prize, sure...but why not make it capable of being fully-upgraded to 11 consoles? Why would Cryptic not want to sell more fleet ship modules? I don't care how ridiculous the cost would be; when you have fans of a ship, and you release it in a sub-par state with no chance of a proper upgrade, it's kind of a kick in the nads.


    Darn, I only now realize it only comes with 9 base consoles to start with. So, even at T5-U, it's still gonna have only 10 consoles. :(

    Sigh. The Paradox ship I wanted turns out to be Science; the Mesh Weaver only has 9 consoles; and the T6 Mobius I was really looking for is simply not there.

    So keep your money in your pocket (or better yet, get yourself one of those nice mirror uniforms from lobi store for Max), not like you need any new ships with your collection. :p
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  • meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,587 Arc User
    meimeitoo wrote: »
    aethon3050 wrote: »
    risian4 wrote: »
    A ship with 10 consoles is pretty good for a ship that's meant as a consolation prize. Especially if they're 5 tac consoles.

    For a consolation prize, sure...but why not make it capable of being fully-upgraded to 11 consoles? Why would Cryptic not want to sell more fleet ship modules? I don't care how ridiculous the cost would be; when you have fans of a ship, and you release it in a sub-par state with no chance of a proper upgrade, it's kind of a kick in the nads.


    Darn, I only now realize it only comes with 9 base consoles to start with. So, even at T5-U, it's still gonna have only 10 consoles. :(

    Sigh. The Paradox ship I wanted turns out to be Science; the Mesh Weaver only has 9 consoles; and the T6 Mobius I was really looking for is simply not there.

    So keep your money in your pocket (or better yet, get yourself one of those nice mirror uniforms from lobi store for Max), not like you need any new ships with your collection. :p


    O, I'm defiitely gonna get a costume. :)

    I can understand where (I think) the OP us coming from: like me, he/she was looking for a good Tactical ship in this lockbox (for me that would have been a T6 Mobius); and now that the Mesh Weaver turns out to only have 9 base consoles, it's clear it can no longer fulfill that role. (Mind you, you can still do plenty of DPS with 10 consoles only: I did 29k once, in csa, in an T5-U APU, but still).
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  • potencethe1stpotencethe1st Member Posts: 257 Arc User
    While I do wish it had 11 consoles once upgraded, I'm fine that it doesn't. Means there should be less of them flying around.

    I'm gonna throw a tetryon Dbb build on it to round out my canon ships (phaser canon/cannon Defiant with 60k dps; Vulcan Dkyr with disruptors at 40k; wells particle Gen antiproton at 70k -now I'll have a Tholian ship).

    I expect the ship will still be able to exceed 50k no problem, making it more than viable for just about all content out there.
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