At least the Paradox will be affordable. If it sells around 130-170 M then i already have the EC.
Hopefully i have both Wells and Mobius as well as the Aeon on my Caitian so adding the Paradox will be a nice addition for him. On the other hand he is also a tac, so considering the fact that the Paradox is a patchwork of capacities with a strong science orientation, i wonder if it is really superior to the Mobius for this character.
I picked a bad time to be broke , would like the mesh but probably way to spensive, the dread and tarantula will probably be sold away from the exchange on the private market, so oh well i suppose i can just not worry about it so much.
At least the Paradox will be affordable. If it sells around 130-170 M then i already have the EC.
Hopefully i have both Wells and Mobius as well as the Aeon on my Caitian so adding the Paradox will be a nice addition for him. On the other hand he is also a tac, so considering the fact that the Paradox is a patchwork of capacities with a strong science orientation, i wonder if it is really superior to the Mobius for this character.
Sci as a class is still inferior to tac as a class, even when flying a sci ship. There's really not much benefit to matching class to ship except the eng/tank cruiser synergy.
FYI, those saying the Paradox isn't all that great need to take a few things into account:
* It has a trait that makes the most commonly used sci powers deal more damage (especially GW3), and because of the consoles on this and the anniversary ship (as well as the numerous other cooldown reductions added recently), you can likely spam said sci powers nearly as fast as if you were using a2b without needing to waste space on them.
* It can use the temporal consoles from the other two ships, and the set bonus reduces the cooldown on them by 50%. That means you can have your two mirror copies out for 30 seconds out of every minute (along with +100 resists for those 30 seconds), and have one of the largest hull and shield heals in the game available once a minute. Not sure on the new console's refresh timer, but it's likely no more than 2 minutes with this set as well.
* The three tac slots aren't as big a deal on a sci ship, since many sci captains opt to use those slots for universals anyway on sci damage or drain builds and center around rapid firing torps instead so they can keep their Aux stats as close to max as possible.
So, while it's no Annorax (and considering how hard those are to get, it shouldn't be), it certainly will be a fun ship to fly and will be able to dish out some serious DPS if you know how to fly it.
so i'm sitting here, wondering "Why would I get the krenim science ship when the paradox exist? Paradox gets another fore weapon, more hull, a hangar, can load dual cannons (that is actually absent from the krenim sci vessel). They have the same console layout, and the paradox gets sensor analysis, subsystem targeting, and a secondary deflector just like the science vessel.
The only things I see the science vessel having over the paradox are...
0.05 higher shield
2 degrees more turning
I was actually going to note the intel seat BUT PARADOX GETS THAT TOO, AND IT'S UNIVERSAL!
and thats it, a drop of shield and turning, that's all I see the KSV having over the paradox, unless someone else can point out something else?
Those Elite Timeship Hangars seem really underwhelming. And if the player version of Subatomic Disruptor is anything to go by, then the ability is going to be essentially worthless on AI pets, with its small dot damage and very limited firing arc.
and thats it, a drop of shield and turning, that's all I see the KSV having over the paradox, unless someone else can point out something else?
One is free, the other costs Lobi (i.e. money). You should all know by know that the better it is, the more expensive it'll be. There's no such thing as balance anymore.
Will these have unique bridges? Don't all lobi and up ships all come with those? At least some variation of the existing T5 timeship interiors?
..still unhappy with the pets situation. I mean, they use proper antiproton and chroniton yet deal disruptor DOT?
Even from game story perspective, it doesn't make sense for the captured mirror terran dread to be using prime universe outdated T5 fighters.
Elite pets are costly to being with, nevermind those starship traits in a box to make fighters not pop like soap bubbles on launch. Even the Aeon pet will now simply blend in with existing elite pets in sector space, so that too gets washed out.
Event ship giveaways from last year (Sarr Theln + Plesh Brek) have Elite Plesh Brek Frigates as an option which can be ported into another free/exclusive Dreadnought (Rezreth), and those can stay alive on their own, drain targets, raider flank, and have 4 weapons, while this 900 lobi ship with a lobi flyable shuttle/skin has less doesn't sound quite right at all - no matter how strong that subatomic disruptor is if they get wiped out on launch. The only things going for them are 2 beam arrays that for once allows pets to broadside, and thus fire, properly.
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Will these have unique bridges? Don't all lobi and up ships all come with those? At least some variation of the existing T5 timeship interiors?
..still unhappy with the pets situation. I mean, they use proper antiproton and chroniton yet deal disruptor DOT?
Even from game story perspective, it doesn't make sense for the captured mirror terran dread to be using prime universe outdated T5 fighters. Elite pets are costly to being with, nevermind those starship traits in a box to make fighters not pop like soap bubbles on launch. Even the Aeon pet will now simply blend in with existing elite pets in sector space, so even that's washed out. Event ship giveaways from last year (Sarr Theln + Plesh Brek) have Elite Plesh Brek Frigates as an option which can be ported into another free/exclusive Dreadnought (Rezreth), and those can stay alive on their own, drain targets, raider flank, and have 4 weapons, while this 900 lobi ship with a lobi flyable shuttle/skin has so very much less doesn't sound quite right at all - no matter how strong that subatomic disruptor is if they get wiped out on launch.
What would make the difference for me with these pets is if, like the Galaxy saucer, they could also use (even light versions of) temporal powers if those consoles are equipped.
Finally a T5 lock box ship (the Tholian escort) that can be upgraded with a ship upgrade token!! So when will we be able to do that with other lock box ships?? My wallet is waiting...
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Finally a T5 lock box ship (the Tholian escort) that can be upgraded with a ship upgrade token!! So when will we be able to do that with other lock box ships?? My wallet is waiting...
we already can?
kazon, malon, APU, nihydron, all of the newer lockboxes since the vaadwaur lockbox has a T5 booby prize ship that can be upgraded to T5U
Finally a T5 lock box ship (the Tholian escort) that can be upgraded with a ship upgrade token!! So when will we be able to do that with other lock box ships?? My wallet is waiting...
You can do that with any T5 Lockbox blue box prize ship aside from the Mirror ones. APU/Kazon/etc.
so i'm sitting here, wondering "Why would I get the krenim science ship when the paradox exist? Paradox gets another fore weapon, more hull, a hangar, can load dual cannons (that is actually absent from the krenim sci vessel). They have the same console layout, and the paradox gets sensor analysis, subsystem targeting, and a secondary deflector just like the science vessel.
The only things I see the science vessel having over the paradox are...
0.05 higher shield
2 degrees more turning
I was actually going to note the intel seat BUT PARADOX GETS THAT TOO, AND IT'S UNIVERSAL!
and thats it, a drop of shield and turning, that's all I see the KSV having over the paradox, unless someone else can point out something else?
I was thinking the same thing. I was happy to see the stats on the free ship because my Orion Science toon is still in the Dyson Science Destroyer, but now I want the Paradox lol. I might have to get both.
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The Paradox is a fantastic ship, and would buy it in the current state. However, there are two small problems I see. First, I'd rather see cruiser commands replace the subsystem targeting. Preferably the +turn and +shields commands. Or if that's too overpowered in the Dev's minds, just remove subsystem targeting, no sales would suffer from its absence. Second, the Aeon pets are very underwhelming. A revamp of the way the subatomic disruptor works, into something like Destabilizing Resonance Beam, would be really good. Further, the fighters need something to up their toughness.
Elite Aeon Shuttle
1 forward/1 aft AP beam array, 1 forward Chroniton launcher
Beam Overload 2
Torp Spread 2
Scratch the Paint
Subatomic Disruptor (revamped mechanic, equivalent to DSRB 2/3)
^ I'd probably run that.
Otherwise, excellent work, I look forward to acquiring this ship in game.
so i'm sitting here, wondering "Why would I get the krenim science ship when the paradox exist? Paradox gets another fore weapon, more hull, a hangar, can load dual cannons (that is actually absent from the krenim sci vessel). They have the same console layout, and the paradox gets sensor analysis, subsystem targeting, and a secondary deflector just like the science vessel.
The only things I see the science vessel having over the paradox are...
0.05 higher shield
2 degrees more turning
I was actually going to note the intel seat BUT PARADOX GETS THAT TOO, AND IT'S UNIVERSAL!
and thats it, a drop of shield and turning, that's all I see the KSV having over the paradox, unless someone else can point out something else?
Yeah well, that's the difference between a science ship (anniversary Krenim vessel) and a Dreadnought science ship (Annorax and this Temporal dreadnought).
Notice the better class hasn't been made available for cheap at all yet. (In Dreadnought cruisers, the situation is different, the arguably worst is even in the C-store, while the Rezreth has just been given as the winter event prize.)
TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class. Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider. Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Will these have unique bridges? Don't all lobi and up ships all come with those? At least some variation of the existing T5 timeship interiors?
..still unhappy with the pets situation. I mean, they use proper antiproton and chroniton yet deal disruptor DOT?
Even from game story perspective, it doesn't make sense for the captured mirror terran dread to be using prime universe outdated T5 fighters.
Elite pets are costly to being with, nevermind those starship traits in a box to make fighters not pop like soap bubbles on launch. Even the Aeon pet will now simply blend in with existing elite pets in sector space, so that too gets washed out.
Event ship giveaways from last year (Sarr Theln + Plesh Brek) have Elite Plesh Brek Frigates as an option which can be ported into another free/exclusive Dreadnought (Rezreth), and those can stay alive on their own, drain targets, raider flank, and have 4 weapons, while this 900 lobi ship with a lobi flyable shuttle/skin has less doesn't sound quite right at all - no matter how strong that subatomic disruptor is if they get wiped out on launch. The only things going for them are 2 beam arrays that for once allows pets to broadside, and thus fire, properly.
There are already unique bridges for all the ships in this box, so barring something really strange happening, yes.
The saving grace of the pets is that you don't have to use them. I will probably stick Yellowstones on mine when I eventually get it. Maybe they will surprise us down the line and give us some frigate pets for them.
The subatomic disruptor can be quite useful so long as the target stays fairly still*. The problem with using it on pets (assuming they will have it, which I doubt) is that the AI can't be trusted to keep it trained on the target.
*Try it out on something like the Elachi walkers and see.
Being that the Recluse's console - which is part of the set, contributes what again to the Orb Weaver other than filling out the set pieces?
And has it been made slottable on the Orb Weaver?
Detecting big-time "anti-old-school" bias here. NX? Lobi. TOS/TMP Connie? Super-promotion-box. (aka the two hardest ways to get ships) Excelsior & all 3 TNG "big hero" ships? C-Store. Please Equalize...
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I'm going to feel like a real horse's hind end if I spend a fortune to get the Paradox Dreadnought, only to see a proper T6 KDF science ship released soon afterward.
null So you are saying the most expensive ship in the game is better than a free one. If you already have the annorax congratulations, I however will be looking forward to the anniversary ship as I don't have that kind of EC!
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Oh, well, at least I can load it up with dual cannons & elite Reman fighters...just gonna be tough to convince myself that it's worth getting.
The Tarantula allows you to purchase and slot Mesh Weaver pets innately.
Hopefully i have both Wells and Mobius as well as the Aeon on my Caitian so adding the Paradox will be a nice addition for him. On the other hand he is also a tac, so considering the fact that the Paradox is a patchwork of capacities with a strong science orientation, i wonder if it is really superior to the Mobius for this character.
I picked a bad time to be broke , would like the mesh but probably way to spensive, the dread and tarantula will probably be sold away from the exchange on the private market, so oh well i suppose i can just not worry about it so much.
Sci as a class is still inferior to tac as a class, even when flying a sci ship. There's really not much benefit to matching class to ship except the eng/tank cruiser synergy.
FYI, those saying the Paradox isn't all that great need to take a few things into account:
* It has a trait that makes the most commonly used sci powers deal more damage (especially GW3), and because of the consoles on this and the anniversary ship (as well as the numerous other cooldown reductions added recently), you can likely spam said sci powers nearly as fast as if you were using a2b without needing to waste space on them.
* It can use the temporal consoles from the other two ships, and the set bonus reduces the cooldown on them by 50%. That means you can have your two mirror copies out for 30 seconds out of every minute (along with +100 resists for those 30 seconds), and have one of the largest hull and shield heals in the game available once a minute. Not sure on the new console's refresh timer, but it's likely no more than 2 minutes with this set as well.
* The three tac slots aren't as big a deal on a sci ship, since many sci captains opt to use those slots for universals anyway on sci damage or drain builds and center around rapid firing torps instead so they can keep their Aux stats as close to max as possible.
So, while it's no Annorax (and considering how hard those are to get, it shouldn't be), it certainly will be a fun ship to fly and will be able to dish out some serious DPS if you know how to fly it.
The only things I see the science vessel having over the paradox are...
0.05 higher shield
2 degrees more turning
I was actually going to note the intel seat BUT PARADOX GETS THAT TOO, AND IT'S UNIVERSAL!
and thats it, a drop of shield and turning, that's all I see the KSV having over the paradox, unless someone else can point out something else?
One is free, the other costs Lobi (i.e. money). You should all know by know that the better it is, the more expensive it'll be. There's no such thing as balance anymore.
..still unhappy with the pets situation. I mean, they use proper antiproton and chroniton yet deal disruptor DOT?
Even from game story perspective, it doesn't make sense for the captured mirror terran dread to be using prime universe outdated T5 fighters.
Elite pets are costly to being with, nevermind those starship traits in a box to make fighters not pop like soap bubbles on launch. Even the Aeon pet will now simply blend in with existing elite pets in sector space, so that too gets washed out.
Event ship giveaways from last year (Sarr Theln + Plesh Brek) have Elite Plesh Brek Frigates as an option which can be ported into another free/exclusive Dreadnought (Rezreth), and those can stay alive on their own, drain targets, raider flank, and have 4 weapons, while this 900 lobi ship with a lobi flyable shuttle/skin has less doesn't sound quite right at all - no matter how strong that subatomic disruptor is if they get wiped out on launch. The only things going for them are 2 beam arrays that for once allows pets to broadside, and thus fire, properly.
What would make the difference for me with these pets is if, like the Galaxy saucer, they could also use (even light versions of) temporal powers if those consoles are equipped.
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we already can?
kazon, malon, APU, nihydron, all of the newer lockboxes since the vaadwaur lockbox has a T5 booby prize ship that can be upgraded to T5U
You can do that with any T5 Lockbox blue box prize ship aside from the Mirror ones. APU/Kazon/etc.
I was thinking the same thing. I was happy to see the stats on the free ship because my Orion Science toon is still in the Dyson Science Destroyer, but now I want the Paradox lol. I might have to get both.
Don't let them promote you. Don't let them transfer you. Don't let them do anything that takes you off the bridge of that ship, because while you're there... you can make a difference.
-Captain James T. Kirk
Elite Aeon Shuttle
1 forward/1 aft AP beam array, 1 forward Chroniton launcher
Beam Overload 2
Torp Spread 2
Scratch the Paint
Subatomic Disruptor (revamped mechanic, equivalent to DSRB 2/3)
^ I'd probably run that.
Otherwise, excellent work, I look forward to acquiring this ship in game.
Having access to four of those would make for one cool torpedo boat!
Yeah well, that's the difference between a science ship (anniversary Krenim vessel) and a Dreadnought science ship (Annorax and this Temporal dreadnought).
Notice the better class hasn't been made available for cheap at all yet. (In Dreadnought cruisers, the situation is different, the arguably worst is even in the C-store, while the Rezreth has just been given as the winter event prize.)
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
There are already unique bridges for all the ships in this box, so barring something really strange happening, yes.
The saving grace of the pets is that you don't have to use them. I will probably stick Yellowstones on mine when I eventually get it. Maybe they will surprise us down the line and give us some frigate pets for them.
*Try it out on something like the Elachi walkers and see.
Being that the Recluse's console - which is part of the set, contributes what again to the Orb Weaver other than filling out the set pieces?
And has it been made slottable on the Orb Weaver?
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Hmmm. Good question - it would be nice if players had the option of the "Red" (KDF) timeship bridge.
C'mon Trendy, an easy one for the Devs - could we get the option to select Red or Blue bridges by faction?
The Annorax is still far more superior then this ship, two word: Built-in Cannon.
So you are saying the most expensive ship in the game is better than a free one. If you already have the annorax congratulations, I however will be looking forward to the anniversary ship as I don't have that kind of EC!