Players have complained that those who stockpile event currency are able to get the new items on the first day, while 'everyone else has to wait'. Why should those who showed enough dedication to the event to plan ahead? Would these same people complain because people have planned ahead for a natural disaster? Do they also complain about those people who do their Christmas shopping during the year, and thereby get to avoid the 'Black Friday' massacres?
It's not like those who planned ahead are getting a pass on the daily grind to earn the currency, they were just intelligent enough to have planned ahead and avoided the crush.
Most people will only participate in the event just long enough to get the new 'shiny thing' and then drop out of the event. Planners will ride out the entire event, and this was their reward....
It's not like those who planned ahead (hoarders if you MUST insult them) are getting anything 'extra' for their pre-planning. They will also be inclined to ride out the whole event in order to replenish those stores that were used in the first place, thereby STILL 'riding out the event'. So much for rewarding dedication....
To be honest I really don't mind Cryptic retiring their old ships from the events. In any given scenario there are two sides of the coin. One player couldn't have attended the events because of IRL circumstances... Whatever the reason maybe. The other player may have been on the same situation as the other player but due to his/her own will to do something about it by some reason pulled through and made it worked got the ship. Hence if the 2nd example of player is the one being considered on this change then I have really no comment.
It's the 2nd guy's privileged for going against all odds. I won't deny him Exclusivity and he or she can Brag about it all he or she wants. Since it would really not do a dent on my game since more ships would be introduced later that might be better than the award.
Now pardon the words I'm about to say... Although what I said above would be ok on normal circumstances... Not this time. Because what Cryptic did do is make the most idiotic thing they could have ever made and I'm sorry it's so idiotic it would make a monkey more of a generous compared to who ever is thinking of this ideas.
Seriously. WHY the HELL would you make a SET of one of the SOLD ships in your T6 LINE-UP with another ship THAT YOU ALREADY KNOW 1st HAND YOU WILL JUST SCRAP?!
Ahem. Pardon the capitals.
The Command Battle Cruiser's main allure was the fact that everyone saw the potential completing the set. Seriously the 4 set is the only thing I could think that is worth to complete. Sure it will eat up 4 slots but the benefits of all 4 are worth it and you can just slap them in the engineer consoles anyway.
If the goddamn set was only paired on a console not owned by a ship that wouldn't be accessible anymore then this changes wouldn't be a problem but the fact that it is, is a REALLY MAJOR PROBLEM.
I couldn't get the Samsar. Simply because I haven't played the game again till season 11 last year. Wasn't bother by it until I saw that The CBC's could actually benefit well with the 4th console. Honestly I just bought the Presidio since I thought I only need the AHOC. But out of curiosity and through asking I found out that even the 3 are decent and I like the fact that the CBC's are versatile and my other toons can have practical use of it (Well not my Rom and KDF though).
Then I wanted to get the 4th console and found out I need the samsar. Well since I thought "Oh hey I can get this one next year on the event" I've decided to purchase the other 2. Mind you though I didn't wan't to purchase the other 2 before so I i didn't get the Bundle. But I didn't mind though since I never thought that it would turn-out they where scrapping the goddamn samsar.
And Hence... I think this is why most people are pissed. Most specially people like me who have grown to love the CBC's. It's kinda Illogical to let people have a ship set-up like that but later just blow them up in their faces trolling them that you cannot ever complete it. Even more painful if for people who grinded DIL just to get the bundle or just realized they want to try the CBC's Console synergy and decided to buy the whole bundle if not the other 2.
Seriously. Do something about it. Either let the console be accessible somehow, or change the console needed to something more accessible for the 4th one. Or better yet just get rid of the need for the 4th console and give the bonus for it as an additional bonus for completing the 3 sets.
Cryptic I realize that you guys just want to do things that you think is right, but damn that decision is just more stupid than a deer in the headlights. FIX. THIS. PROBLEM. ASAP.
This comes as no surprise, but the "Exclusivity and Collectibility" argument goes out the window when lockboxes, special Doff packs, and R&D Packs are involved and/or are re-released, of course
As we all know, money trumps metrics.
I'm guessing that no one that's complaining is actually surprised. You guys must love to complain. Games like this are built on grind. As players, we find ways to circumvent the grind. The devs naturally make adjustments to enforce the grind. Without the grind, the game would die. If you could have everything that you want without any effort, you'd quickly stop playing. And those that pay would quickly stop paying. It's not shocking and it's doesn't make Cryptic bad or evil. It's completely normal.
When you see "TRIBBLE" in my posts, it's because I manually typed "TRIBBLE" and censored myself.
Honestly, I totally get the metrics explanation as far as the currencies go. However, this explanation fails to explain why they're retiring the old ships. For example, if I wanted to get next year's winter event ship and the two that I'm missing, why can't I run the event 3 times next year instead of one? Surely three times as much time spent there is three times as good for the metrics?
possibly because they want to see players play for this years ships this year not last year or next year, just guessing.
just as players could save the currency's and get the ships from multiple years without playing the events players could not play the events and then get all the ships a few years later.
the only way to ensure players play the events every year is to retire both the currency's and the past ships being offered.
Also, in theory, you could use 5 characters to simultaneously collect what you needed to unlock 5 ships.
Actually you cant because the items are character bound not account bound. So you have to play at least one character from beginning to end to acquire the ship.
I think what the OP means is you could miss 4 years of events and then get 5 ships on the 5th year by getting one of each on each of your 5 characters, this would have been possible now the ships are account unlocked if they had not retired the old ships.
the main reason they retired the old ships.
Yes. As opposed to missing 4 years of events and then getting 1 ship the 5th year, on one character. I fail to see the advantage in this scenario.
Players can and will miss events. A player who starts the game now will have missed a total of 9 event rep ships. The question is, do they want those new players to grind extra mission runs this year to get those missing ships or not.
And suggesting that making the ship permanently unavailable (as opposed to just unavailable for another 11 months) gives players any significant added incentive to get it now is an exaggeration at best. A year is a long time. Anyone willing to skip an easily acquired event ship because it would be available again next year, is most likely willing to skip an event ship permanently.
Worst of all, even that line of thought really only applies to the current ship. Saying, "get this ship now because it won't be available next year." For the old ships, removing them after the fact can't retroactively increase the metrics from the time when they were available.
the event ships are account unlock so getting the ship on any character unlocks it for all of your characters.
if say the past ship availability were to continue and say you have 5 characters you can skip the event for 4 years and then on the 5th year you could slot one of each of the 5 ships on each of your 5 characters and collect all 5 ships for every one of your 5 characters all in one event.
even if they left things as they were last year where you could claim the ship for the full price and then claim it on alts for 40 tokens each you could still get all 5 ships for all 5 character for the total sum of 1160 tokens on each character.
this makes some players who cant be bothered playing the event every year skip events with the knowledge that they can get the ship the following year or maybe even the year after along with the ship from the current event.
as I said in another post I know for a fact this had happened as one of the complainers admitted he had purposely skipped last years event thinking he could claim last years and this years ships together.
that is an exploit cryptic would not put up with and in all honesty I cant blame them.
cryptic are not concerned with retroactively increasing metrics from past events, what they are concerned with is maximising the metrics from this years events, the only way to do this is to make it so this years ship is only available this year thereby ensuring that players do not skip the event thinking they can get this years ship next year along with next years ship also.
sure this might be unfortunate for players who are new to the game but that's the only way cryptic had to stop players exploiting the feature and whether you like it or not some players were exploiting the feature.
If they really wanted to maximize each year's metrics leaving the old ship projects in would give a new player that many more captains to run through the event. The currencies expire each year now, you can't hoard for next year. There's also no point to run the event on more than one captain either now.
that doesn't make up for all the players who were skipping events because the exploit was there, only cryptic knows the how many players this was likely to be but its quite possible it was far more then you or I can imagine.
its quite true there is very little need to play the event with more then one captain but it is quite likely they are not concerned with how many captains attend the event only how many players play the event.
Those captains are "skipping" because they already did the work in a previous year.
Sadly, business forgets anything that's not in the current quarter. Getting paid five times last quarter and not getting any this quarter means they didn't get paid at all, right?
not in all cases many players were skipping the event thinking they could do the work the following year, though you might not like to believe it is true I know it is for a fact.
this makes some players who cant be bothered playing the event every year skip events with the knowledge that they can get the ship the following year or maybe even the year after along with the ship from the current event.
as I said in another post I know for a fact this had happened as one of the complainers admitted he had purposely skipped last years event thinking he could claim last years and this years ships together.
Yes, I'm sure that's what he says now. More likely he purposefully skipped last year's event because he had something better to do than grind a ship he cared nothing about, and would still have skipped it if they had said it wouldn't return.
the player that skipped the event obviously did want the ship as he was moaning about his inability to get it.
you can bury your head in the sand and pretend it isn't so if you wish but that does not alter the fact that it is true, I know its true and so does cryptic, that is why the ability to get past event ships will never return.
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When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
Does anyone actually have those ship emotes? I haven't seen one since they've been out. I believe they arrived during the last summer event?
I have the Vulcan one, It's no big deal, but kinda neat.
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-"Sir, we put what we thought was a fun activity into the game and people are treating it like some kind of chore! Should we go back to the drawing board and see if we can come up with something more fun?"
-"I have a better idea: remove content and force people to do, or even redo, the chore when we want them to do it!"
-"..."
-"What? Our quarterly graphs were all wonky."
I am not complaining about the grind. I realize that it is a necessary evil in this day and age, so don't lump me in the same group that want everything for little or no effort. I have no problem with doing what must be done to get the shiney if I feel it is worth my time. And in response to my "complaining", you're damn right I will complain if I feel that something isn't right.
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Question I have a bunch of lohunats from the summer event still. Will I be able to turn them in for stuff like qmendations?
I take it you are referring to the summer event favors if this is the case the answer is no, the buy back store is only for ship reputation tokens, these are>
qmendations for the anniversary event
Risian Pearls from the summer event
Pictures of Q for the winter event
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
Imagine if the reputation system was introduced with just Omega rep and instead of grinding Omega Marks you just needed Marks. Then, Cryptic introduces Nukara Rep with all new rewards, but there's no corresponding increase in activity because there was enough time for players to grind Marks for all the Omega stuff and then grind even more Marks for later reputations, such as Nukara. Then, instead of separating each reputation into its own content, marks, and rewards (like the actual rep system we have), they differentiated marks and then just deleted all reputations before adding a new one. Want New Rom stuff? Better grind New Rom Marks with the same old Borg Omega content that's been there for years before it's gone!
And that's the problem: each year's events has unique rewards and now require unique currencies, just like the rep system, but each event has the same content every year. Can you imagine grinding just Omega Marks all the time, deciding to be fiscally responsible and bank some for future use, and then Cryptic tells you you have to do the same grind over again, when they want you to do it, on the same boring content you thought you had gotten out of the way? Why do they think people wanted to get this grind out of the way? Because it's boring and not fun.
If the content were fun, people would do it every year because they wanted to, as part of a game, even without rewards. Fix that and you solve your "metrics" problem.
Why do they think people wanted to get this grind out of the way? Because it's boring and not fun.
That's the sticking point to me. If people did more than necessary in order to save up currencies for next year, I would see those players as assets, not liabilities. They aren't exploiting the system so much as sending a message they plan on sticking around for another year -- if for no other reason, than to get a new ship. That alone speaks entire volumes about that player's faith in the game.
I wouldn't see this as a mistake to be corrected, but as an incentive to keep returning to STO. Even if they didn't come back into the game at all for another year, and only logged in one year later just to claim their new spaceship... that gives Cryptic an entire year to add more stuff to STO in order to try to convince that player to stick around and play the game.
They're willing to kill off that player's long term investment in STO for short term benefit. That is a boneheaded move.
Just a dumb move in a long list of dumb moves. Its all about metrics of having X amount of people on doing Y event. Stupid and pointless messuring, it in no way helps the game, or the players. We all knew this was coming after summer and winter events fell victim to this pointless change.
I find it odd that people are complaining about new players not being able to get the
anniversary ships when all but the
semsar have a verison avelable in the C-store, the lobi store, or the fkeet store.
Why do they think people wanted to get this grind out of the way? Because it's boring and not fun.
That's the sticking point to me. If people did more than necessary in order to save up currencies for next year, I would see those players as assets, not liabilities. They aren't exploiting the system so much as sending a message they plan on sticking around for another year -- if for no other reason, than to get a new ship. That alone speaks entire volumes about that player's faith in the game.
I wouldn't see this as a mistake to be corrected, but as an incentive to keep returning to STO. Even if they didn't come back into the game at all for another year, and only logged in one year later just to claim their new spaceship... that gives Cryptic an entire year to add more stuff to STO in order to try to convince that player to stick around and play the game.
They're willing to kill off that player's long term investment in STO for short term benefit. That is a boneheaded move.
But what do I know, I don't run a game studio.
Agreed. I did my first bit of seasonal grind getting the Qmendations thinking I would get a headstart on the next anniversary ship, but when they threw out the lohlunats, I had to know the space reserved for Qmendations was just taking up space. I won't even bother with the "buyback" option. I didn't want the buyback, I would have wanted the anniversary ship. I'll see your boneheaded move and raise you a steaming pile of bull$#it.
Question I have a bunch of lohunats from the summer event still. Will I be able to turn them in for stuff like qmendations?
I take it you are referring to the summer event favors if this is the case the answer is no, the buy back store is only for ship reputation tokens, these are>
qmendations for the anniversary event
Risian Pearls from the summer event
Pictures of Q for the winter event
Actually this brings up a good point. Cryptic, please retire lohunat favors. I know that Summer 2015, for the first time, I just went on the exchange and bought up all of the cheap favors that people hoarded from previous years. I got my board, floater, etc. for all my alts without doing any grind. And it cost me virtually nothing. Come out with a new currency next summer please.
When you see "TRIBBLE" in my posts, it's because I manually typed "TRIBBLE" and censored myself.
Question I have a bunch of lohunats from the summer event still. Will I be able to turn them in for stuff like qmendations?
I take it you are referring to the summer event favors if this is the case the answer is no, the buy back store is only for ship reputation tokens, these are>
qmendations for the anniversary event
Risian Pearls from the summer event
Pictures of Q for the winter event
Actually this brings up a good point. Cryptic, please retire lohunat favors. I know that Summer 2015, for the first time, I just went on the exchange and bought up all of the cheap favors that people hoarded from previous years. I got my board, floater, etc. for all my alts without doing any grind. And it cost me virtually nothing. Come out with a new currency next summer please.
lohunat favors are somewhat different, they are not connected to the ship reputation as the pearls were used for this.
the lohunat favors are for or the summer store in the same way that the winter baubles are for use in the winter store.
cryptic are not concerned with players stocking up on the lohunat favors or winter baubles because the items you can buy with them don't hold the same value to players or cryptic that the event ships do.
as the ships are of far more value to players and cryptic then the items in the event stores cryptic have no need to retire them.
what they really need to do is give us many more useful things we can buy with these lohunat favors and winter baubles upgrade tokens and reputation marks would be a good start.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
From some of the comments here I see the same ugly insults cropping up as in the Great reputation mark dilithium event nerf of 2014.
A cussing players of hoarding marks, or photos, or anything else of being exploiters shows utter disrespect for those players. I, along with many others had a good stockpile of marks saved for dilithium events, so I could get a good turn in value. It was savvy thinking and was planning ahead. It showed a commitment to the long term game, saving up for the future. I did the same for the seasonal events and also the anniversaries.
Now they remove any advantage that gives without a thought to how those supposed "exploiters" earned all those marks. We put in the effort in advance to earn those currencies, we put in time in game to earn them. We were probably the ones who were in the event maps to the bitter end earning everything we could to save up for future events. That's no exploit its called being sensible and planning for the future. Are the players getting the shop on day one via lobi crystals exploiters too because they stockpiled zen or keys or real $$$'s to get that ship earlier?
Those sorts of players should be welcomed as they are an asset, they are likely to be long term players and are showing a willingness to commit to the future of the game. They've also already put in the effort to earn things so they've been filling up the metrics for years probably. So don't go calling is exploiters just because we use our heads and plan ahead. And don't ignore the fact that some players will be doing this to avoid the same repetitive grind each year. Add some new means of earning currency and people will be attracted to it each year.
But now nobody has a reason to stay I the event map passed 25 days, not even with different alts, not to save up some marks even to get a head start next time, not to earn a few extras to plan for real life events lowering your in game time in future events. And all the newbie players who would potentially stay and grind out up to 4 winter ships will never consider that. A Newbury player now will spend 5 mins doing the ice race, they could potentially be spending 20 mins or more doing that race over multiple characters. That's a lot of lost game time.
From some of the comments here I see the same ugly insults cropping up as in the Great reputation mark dilithium event nerf of 2014.
A cussing players of hoarding marks, or photos, or anything else of being exploiters shows utter disrespect for those players.
I, along with many others had a good stockpile of marks saved for dilithium events, so I could get a good turn in value. It was savvy thinking and was planning ahead. It showed a commitment to the long term game, saving up for the future.
I did the same for the seasonal events and also the anniversaries.
Now they remove any advantage that gives without a thought to how those supposed "exploiters" earned all those marks. We put in the effort in advance to earn those currencies, we put in time in game to earn them. We were probably the ones who were in the event maps to the bitter end earning everything we could to save up for future events.
That's no exploit its called being sensible and planning for the future.
Are the players getting the shop on day one via lobi crystals exploiters too because they stockpiled zen or keys or real $$$'s to get that ship earlier?
Those sorts of players should be welcomed as they are an asset, they are likely to be long term players and are showing a willingness to commit to the future of the game.
They've also already put in the effort to earn things so they've been filling up the metrics for years probably.
So don't go calling is exploiters just because we use our heads and plan ahead.
And don't ignore the fact that some players will be doing this to avoid the same repetitive grind each year. Add some new means of earning currency and people will be attracted to it each year.
But now nobody has a reason to stay I the event map passed 25 days, not even with different alts, not to save up some marks even to get a head start next time, not to earn a few extras to plan for real life events lowering your in game time in future events.
And all the newbie players who would potentially stay and grind out up to 4 winter ships will never consider that. A Newbury player now will spend 5 mins doing the ice race, they could potentially be spending 20 mins or more doing that race over multiple characters. That's a lot of lost game time.
its cryptics party and they want you to attend, they don't want you to give it miss because you attended last years party twice as long as you would have done just so you can skip this years party, on the other hand they don't want you to skip this years party with the promise that you will spend twice as long at next years party either.
if you want to enjoy all of the benefits cryptics party has to offer then you must attend or go without.
if you want to spend cash money to buy your way out of the party with keys and lobi or at least cut your visit short that's a different matter altogether.
I don't see how hard this is for people to understand, surely you would feel the same if you was throwing a party and none of your friends you invited bothered turning up.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
They will also be inclined to ride out the whole event in order to replenish those stores that were used in the first place, thereby STILL 'riding out the event'.
Sadly, the "Risian Cruiser" Summer Event proved the direct opposite.
Anyone with a minimum of 6 alts who ground up 1k pearls on each alt during the Corvette's Summer did not have to run the event again until the 5 "remaining alts who had 1k pearls each" depleted their stockpiles.
At which point they'd just re-grind their 6 (or more) alts through the event all in one year and take the rest of the decade off of events...
So these people beamed down day 1, bought the ship, wrapped up the new accolades, exchanged-up some lolhunats for the new DOffs, and never touched Risa (maybe even the game) for the remainder of the summer...
Why do they think people wanted to get this grind out of the way? Because it's boring and not fun.
That's the sticking point to me. If people did more than necessary in order to save up currencies for next year, I would see those players as assets, not liabilities. They aren't exploiting the system so much as sending a message they plan on sticking around for another year -- if for no other reason, than to get a new ship. That alone speaks entire volumes about that player's faith in the game.
I wouldn't see this as a mistake to be corrected, but as an incentive to keep returning to STO. Even if they didn't come back into the game at all for another year, and only logged in one year later just to claim their new spaceship... that gives Cryptic an entire year to add more stuff to STO in order to try to convince that player to stick around and play the game.
They're willing to kill off that player's long term investment in STO for short term benefit. That is a boneheaded move.
But what do I know, I don't run a game studio.
How many abandoned LTSs are there - especially after some of Cryptic's more... infamous... maneuvers (DR anyone)?
If people are willing to forsake $200-300 investments, 25 days of grinding an alt are a lot easier to walk away from...
Detecting big-time "anti-old-school" bias here. NX? Lobi. TOS/TMP Connie? Super-promotion-box. (aka the two hardest ways to get ships) Excelsior & all 3 TNG "big hero" ships? C-Store. Please Equalize...
To rob a line: [quote: Mariemaia Kushrenada] Forum Posting is much like an endless waltz. The three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever. However, opinions will change upon the reading of my post.[/quote]
Question I have a bunch of lohunats from the summer event still. Will I be able to turn them in for stuff like qmendations?
I take it you are referring to the summer event favors if this is the case the answer is no, the buy back store is only for ship reputation tokens, these are>
qmendations for the anniversary event
Risian Pearls from the summer event
Pictures of Q for the winter event
Actually this brings up a good point. Cryptic, please retire lohunat favors. I know that Summer 2015, for the first time, I just went on the exchange and bought up all of the cheap favors that people hoarded from previous years. I got my board, floater, etc. for all my alts without doing any grind. And it cost me virtually nothing. Come out with a new currency next summer please.
lohunat favors are somewhat different, they are not connected to the ship reputation as the pearls were used for this.
the lohunat favors are for or the summer store in the same way that the winter baubles are for use in the winter store.
cryptic are not concerned with players stocking up on the lohunat favors or winter baubles because the items you can buy with them don't hold the same value to players or cryptic that the event ships do.
as the ships are of far more value to players and cryptic then the items in the event stores cryptic have no need to retire them.
what they really need to do is give us many more useful things we can buy with these lohunat favors and winter baubles upgrade tokens and reputation marks would be a good start.
They are somewhat different but the principle stays the same. Devs want people to play the event. If people aren't playing the event, the metrics look bad. Therefore, lohunat favors should be retired so that people spend more time playing event missions and boosting their precious metrics. This would show evidence to the dark lords at PWE that the devs are worthy of their work.
When you see "TRIBBLE" in my posts, it's because I manually typed "TRIBBLE" and censored myself.
Question I have a bunch of lohunats from the summer event still. Will I be able to turn them in for stuff like qmendations?
I take it you are referring to the summer event favors if this is the case the answer is no, the buy back store is only for ship reputation tokens, these are>
qmendations for the anniversary event
Risian Pearls from the summer event
Pictures of Q for the winter event
Actually this brings up a good point. Cryptic, please retire lohunat favors. I know that Summer 2015, for the first time, I just went on the exchange and bought up all of the cheap favors that people hoarded from previous years. I got my board, floater, etc. for all my alts without doing any grind. And it cost me virtually nothing. Come out with a new currency next summer please.
lohunat favors are somewhat different, they are not connected to the ship reputation as the pearls were used for this.
the lohunat favors are for or the summer store in the same way that the winter baubles are for use in the winter store.
cryptic are not concerned with players stocking up on the lohunat favors or winter baubles because the items you can buy with them don't hold the same value to players or cryptic that the event ships do.
as the ships are of far more value to players and cryptic then the items in the event stores cryptic have no need to retire them.
what they really need to do is give us many more useful things we can buy with these lohunat favors and winter baubles upgrade tokens and reputation marks would be a good start.
They are somewhat different but the principle stays the same. Devs want people to play the event. If people aren't playing the event, the metrics look bad. Therefore, lohunat favors should be retired so that people spend more time playing event missions and boosting their precious metrics. This would show evidence to the dark lords at PWE that the devs are worthy of their work.
though you believe the principle to be the same cryptic obviously don't, they are not worried how many of these event store currencies you have saved from previous years as a hardened player could likely grind enough tokens in a day of playing in any case, that's even assuming there is anything in the event store that the player wants to buy, take myself for example I didn't want any of the items I didn't already have that were in the winter store this year why should cryptic care if I have a few hundred of each of the winter baubles in my bank if theres nothing much I want to buy anyway.
this is not the case with the ship, it doesn't matter how many ships I have I would never say no to another one and I will always be happy to grind away during an event to get one for free and most players are of the same mind and whats more cryptic know it.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
Question I have a bunch of lohunats from the summer event still. Will I be able to turn them in for stuff like qmendations?
I take it you are referring to the summer event favors if this is the case the answer is no, the buy back store is only for ship reputation tokens, these are>
qmendations for the anniversary event
Risian Pearls from the summer event
Pictures of Q for the winter event
Actually this brings up a good point. Cryptic, please retire lohunat favors. I know that Summer 2015, for the first time, I just went on the exchange and bought up all of the cheap favors that people hoarded from previous years. I got my board, floater, etc. for all my alts without doing any grind. And it cost me virtually nothing. Come out with a new currency next summer please.
lohunat favors are somewhat different, they are not connected to the ship reputation as the pearls were used for this.
the lohunat favors are for or the summer store in the same way that the winter baubles are for use in the winter store.
cryptic are not concerned with players stocking up on the lohunat favors or winter baubles because the items you can buy with them don't hold the same value to players or cryptic that the event ships do.
as the ships are of far more value to players and cryptic then the items in the event stores cryptic have no need to retire them.
what they really need to do is give us many more useful things we can buy with these lohunat favors and winter baubles upgrade tokens and reputation marks would be a good start.
They are somewhat different but the principle stays the same. Devs want people to play the event. If people aren't playing the event, the metrics look bad. Therefore, lohunat favors should be retired so that people spend more time playing event missions and boosting their precious metrics. This would show evidence to the dark lords at PWE that the devs are worthy of their work.
though you believe the principle to be the same cryptic obviously don't, they are not worried how many of these event store currencies you have saved from previous years as a hardened player could likely grind enough tokens in a day of playing in any case, that's even assuming there is anything in the event store that the player wants to buy, take myself for example I didn't want any of the items I didn't already have that were in the winter store this year why should cryptic care if I have a few hundred of each of the winter baubles in my bank if theres nothing much I want to buy anyway.
this is not the case with the ship, it doesn't matter how many ships I have I would never say no to another one and I will always be happy to grind away during an event to get one for free and most players are of the same mind and whats more cryptic know it.
What you say about ships is 100% true. But the winter event and summer event are different as well. More players care about the swimsuit costumes compared to winter event stuff. And those players will do whatever it takes to acquire those items. I won't be surprised either way if cryptic decides to keep lohunat favors or replace them this summer.
EDIT: I guess that what I'm essentially saying is, don't be surprised if lohunat favors are retired this coming summer.
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Question I have a bunch of lohunats from the summer event still. Will I be able to turn them in for stuff like qmendations?
I take it you are referring to the summer event favors if this is the case the answer is no, the buy back store is only for ship reputation tokens, these are>
qmendations for the anniversary event
Risian Pearls from the summer event
Pictures of Q for the winter event
Actually this brings up a good point. Cryptic, please retire lohunat favors. I know that Summer 2015, for the first time, I just went on the exchange and bought up all of the cheap favors that people hoarded from previous years. I got my board, floater, etc. for all my alts without doing any grind. And it cost me virtually nothing. Come out with a new currency next summer please.
lohunat favors are somewhat different, they are not connected to the ship reputation as the pearls were used for this.
the lohunat favors are for or the summer store in the same way that the winter baubles are for use in the winter store.
cryptic are not concerned with players stocking up on the lohunat favors or winter baubles because the items you can buy with them don't hold the same value to players or cryptic that the event ships do.
as the ships are of far more value to players and cryptic then the items in the event stores cryptic have no need to retire them.
what they really need to do is give us many more useful things we can buy with these lohunat favors and winter baubles upgrade tokens and reputation marks would be a good start.
They are somewhat different but the principle stays the same. Devs want people to play the event. If people aren't playing the event, the metrics look bad. Therefore, lohunat favors should be retired so that people spend more time playing event missions and boosting their precious metrics. This would show evidence to the dark lords at PWE that the devs are worthy of their work.
though you believe the principle to be the same cryptic obviously don't, they are not worried how many of these event store currencies you have saved from previous years as a hardened player could likely grind enough tokens in a day of playing in any case, that's even assuming there is anything in the event store that the player wants to buy, take myself for example I didn't want any of the items I didn't already have that were in the winter store this year why should cryptic care if I have a few hundred of each of the winter baubles in my bank if theres nothing much I want to buy anyway.
this is not the case with the ship, it doesn't matter how many ships I have I would never say no to another one and I will always be happy to grind away during an event to get one for free and most players are of the same mind and whats more cryptic know it.
What you say about ships is 100% true. But the winter event and summer event are different as well. More players care about the swimsuit costumes compared to winter event stuff. And those players will do whatever it takes to acquire those items. I won't be surprised either way if cryptic decides to keep lohunat favors or replace them this summer.
EDIT: I guess that what I'm essentially saying is, don't be surprised if lohunat favors are retired this coming summer.
the thing is the most expensive swimsuit in the store is only 1000 lohunat favors and you can easily reap that amount in a day if you put your mind to it and have the time, the thing with ship tokens is without spending real life money the most tokens you can get in a day is 40 out of the 1000 that you need.
they know that unless you spend cash they will get you logging in for at least 25 days to get the ship, its not so with any of the store items.
that is why they will be replacing the ship tokens every year but not the lohunat favors or winter baubles, its just not worth the effort.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
They are NOT going to retire the 'lohunat favors' or the Winter baubles. Do you know why? THEY ARE NOT BOUND. People can pass them between alts and sell them on the Exchange. The same reason they never went after R&D Packs that people could buy anytime and open during R&D Events. You can't force people to spend or open non-bound items. You cannot take them away either as people may have acquired them with EC and doing so would bring out the torches and pitchforks.
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They are NOT going to retire the 'lohunat favors' or the Winter baubles. Do you know why? THEY ARE NOT BOUND. People can pass them between alts and sell them on the Exchange. The same reason they never went after R&D Packs that people could buy anytime and open during R&D Events. You can't force people to spend or open non-bound items. You cannot take them away either as people may have acquired them with EC and doing so would bring out the torches and pitchforks.
Ah but they don't need to "take them away." In 2013 and 2014, Q Glossy photos could be bought with lobi and they were retired anyway, not that this actually happened all that much. All Cryptic would need to do is "retire" the lohunat favors from being usable for purchasing NEW swimsuits that are released next summer. They could still be used to purchase all of the old stuff and the new currency (holographic lohunat pendants or whatever) could be used to purchase anything. Removing them would be going too far.
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It's not like those who planned ahead are getting a pass on the daily grind to earn the currency, they were just intelligent enough to have planned ahead and avoided the crush.
Most people will only participate in the event just long enough to get the new 'shiny thing' and then drop out of the event. Planners will ride out the entire event, and this was their reward....
It's not like those who planned ahead (hoarders if you MUST insult them) are getting anything 'extra' for their pre-planning. They will also be inclined to ride out the whole event in order to replenish those stores that were used in the first place, thereby STILL 'riding out the event'. So much for rewarding dedication....
It's the 2nd guy's privileged for going against all odds. I won't deny him Exclusivity and he or she can Brag about it all he or she wants. Since it would really not do a dent on my game since more ships would be introduced later that might be better than the award.
Now pardon the words I'm about to say... Although what I said above would be ok on normal circumstances... Not this time. Because what Cryptic did do is make the most idiotic thing they could have ever made and I'm sorry it's so idiotic it would make a monkey more of a generous compared to who ever is thinking of this ideas.
Seriously. WHY the HELL would you make a SET of one of the SOLD ships in your T6 LINE-UP with another ship THAT YOU ALREADY KNOW 1st HAND YOU WILL JUST SCRAP?!
Ahem. Pardon the capitals.
The Command Battle Cruiser's main allure was the fact that everyone saw the potential completing the set. Seriously the 4 set is the only thing I could think that is worth to complete. Sure it will eat up 4 slots but the benefits of all 4 are worth it and you can just slap them in the engineer consoles anyway.
If the goddamn set was only paired on a console not owned by a ship that wouldn't be accessible anymore then this changes wouldn't be a problem but the fact that it is, is a REALLY MAJOR PROBLEM.
I couldn't get the Samsar. Simply because I haven't played the game again till season 11 last year. Wasn't bother by it until I saw that The CBC's could actually benefit well with the 4th console. Honestly I just bought the Presidio since I thought I only need the AHOC. But out of curiosity and through asking I found out that even the 3 are decent and I like the fact that the CBC's are versatile and my other toons can have practical use of it (Well not my Rom and KDF though).
Then I wanted to get the 4th console and found out I need the samsar. Well since I thought "Oh hey I can get this one next year on the event" I've decided to purchase the other 2. Mind you though I didn't wan't to purchase the other 2 before so I i didn't get the Bundle. But I didn't mind though since I never thought that it would turn-out they where scrapping the goddamn samsar.
And Hence... I think this is why most people are pissed. Most specially people like me who have grown to love the CBC's. It's kinda Illogical to let people have a ship set-up like that but later just blow them up in their faces trolling them that you cannot ever complete it. Even more painful if for people who grinded DIL just to get the bundle or just realized they want to try the CBC's Console synergy and decided to buy the whole bundle if not the other 2.
Seriously. Do something about it. Either let the console be accessible somehow, or change the console needed to something more accessible for the 4th one. Or better yet just get rid of the need for the 4th console and give the bonus for it as an additional bonus for completing the 3 sets.
Cryptic I realize that you guys just want to do things that you think is right, but damn that decision is just more stupid than a deer in the headlights. FIX. THIS. PROBLEM. ASAP.
not in all cases many players were skipping the event thinking they could do the work the following year, though you might not like to believe it is true I know it is for a fact.
the player that skipped the event obviously did want the ship as he was moaning about his inability to get it.
you can bury your head in the sand and pretend it isn't so if you wish but that does not alter the fact that it is true, I know its true and so does cryptic, that is why the ability to get past event ships will never return.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
I have the Vulcan one, It's no big deal, but kinda neat.
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I take it you are referring to the summer event favors if this is the case the answer is no, the buy back store is only for ship reputation tokens, these are>
qmendations for the anniversary event
Risian Pearls from the summer event
Pictures of Q for the winter event
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
And that's the problem: each year's events has unique rewards and now require unique currencies, just like the rep system, but each event has the same content every year. Can you imagine grinding just Omega Marks all the time, deciding to be fiscally responsible and bank some for future use, and then Cryptic tells you you have to do the same grind over again, when they want you to do it, on the same boring content you thought you had gotten out of the way? Why do they think people wanted to get this grind out of the way? Because it's boring and not fun.
If the content were fun, people would do it every year because they wanted to, as part of a game, even without rewards. Fix that and you solve your "metrics" problem.
That's the sticking point to me. If people did more than necessary in order to save up currencies for next year, I would see those players as assets, not liabilities. They aren't exploiting the system so much as sending a message they plan on sticking around for another year -- if for no other reason, than to get a new ship. That alone speaks entire volumes about that player's faith in the game.
I wouldn't see this as a mistake to be corrected, but as an incentive to keep returning to STO. Even if they didn't come back into the game at all for another year, and only logged in one year later just to claim their new spaceship... that gives Cryptic an entire year to add more stuff to STO in order to try to convince that player to stick around and play the game.
They're willing to kill off that player's long term investment in STO for short term benefit. That is a boneheaded move.
But what do I know, I don't run a game studio.
anniversary ships when all but the
semsar have a verison avelable in the C-store, the lobi store, or the fkeet store.
Agreed. I did my first bit of seasonal grind getting the Qmendations thinking I would get a headstart on the next anniversary ship, but when they threw out the lohlunats, I had to know the space reserved for Qmendations was just taking up space. I won't even bother with the "buyback" option. I didn't want the buyback, I would have wanted the anniversary ship. I'll see your boneheaded move and raise you a steaming pile of bull$#it.
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lohunat favors are somewhat different, they are not connected to the ship reputation as the pearls were used for this.
the lohunat favors are for or the summer store in the same way that the winter baubles are for use in the winter store.
cryptic are not concerned with players stocking up on the lohunat favors or winter baubles because the items you can buy with them don't hold the same value to players or cryptic that the event ships do.
as the ships are of far more value to players and cryptic then the items in the event stores cryptic have no need to retire them.
what they really need to do is give us many more useful things we can buy with these lohunat favors and winter baubles upgrade tokens and reputation marks would be a good start.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
A cussing players of hoarding marks, or photos, or anything else of being exploiters shows utter disrespect for those players.
I, along with many others had a good stockpile of marks saved for dilithium events, so I could get a good turn in value. It was savvy thinking and was planning ahead. It showed a commitment to the long term game, saving up for the future.
I did the same for the seasonal events and also the anniversaries.
Now they remove any advantage that gives without a thought to how those supposed "exploiters" earned all those marks. We put in the effort in advance to earn those currencies, we put in time in game to earn them. We were probably the ones who were in the event maps to the bitter end earning everything we could to save up for future events.
That's no exploit its called being sensible and planning for the future.
Are the players getting the shop on day one via lobi crystals exploiters too because they stockpiled zen or keys or real $$$'s to get that ship earlier?
Those sorts of players should be welcomed as they are an asset, they are likely to be long term players and are showing a willingness to commit to the future of the game.
They've also already put in the effort to earn things so they've been filling up the metrics for years probably.
So don't go calling is exploiters just because we use our heads and plan ahead.
And don't ignore the fact that some players will be doing this to avoid the same repetitive grind each year. Add some new means of earning currency and people will be attracted to it each year.
But now nobody has a reason to stay I the event map passed 25 days, not even with different alts, not to save up some marks even to get a head start next time, not to earn a few extras to plan for real life events lowering your in game time in future events.
And all the newbie players who would potentially stay and grind out up to 4 winter ships will never consider that. A Newbury player now will spend 5 mins doing the ice race, they could potentially be spending 20 mins or more doing that race over multiple characters. That's a lot of lost game time.
its cryptics party and they want you to attend, they don't want you to give it miss because you attended last years party twice as long as you would have done just so you can skip this years party, on the other hand they don't want you to skip this years party with the promise that you will spend twice as long at next years party either.
if you want to enjoy all of the benefits cryptics party has to offer then you must attend or go without.
if you want to spend cash money to buy your way out of the party with keys and lobi or at least cut your visit short that's a different matter altogether.
I don't see how hard this is for people to understand, surely you would feel the same if you was throwing a party and none of your friends you invited bothered turning up.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
Sadly, the "Risian Cruiser" Summer Event proved the direct opposite.
Anyone with a minimum of 6 alts who ground up 1k pearls on each alt during the Corvette's Summer did not have to run the event again until the 5 "remaining alts who had 1k pearls each" depleted their stockpiles.
At which point they'd just re-grind their 6 (or more) alts through the event all in one year and take the rest of the decade off of events...
So these people beamed down day 1, bought the ship, wrapped up the new accolades, exchanged-up some lolhunats for the new DOffs, and never touched Risa (maybe even the game) for the remainder of the summer...
How many abandoned LTSs are there - especially after some of Cryptic's more... infamous... maneuvers (DR anyone)?
If people are willing to forsake $200-300 investments, 25 days of grinding an alt are a lot easier to walk away from...
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They are somewhat different but the principle stays the same. Devs want people to play the event. If people aren't playing the event, the metrics look bad. Therefore, lohunat favors should be retired so that people spend more time playing event missions and boosting their precious metrics. This would show evidence to the dark lords at PWE that the devs are worthy of their work.
though you believe the principle to be the same cryptic obviously don't, they are not worried how many of these event store currencies you have saved from previous years as a hardened player could likely grind enough tokens in a day of playing in any case, that's even assuming there is anything in the event store that the player wants to buy, take myself for example I didn't want any of the items I didn't already have that were in the winter store this year why should cryptic care if I have a few hundred of each of the winter baubles in my bank if theres nothing much I want to buy anyway.
this is not the case with the ship, it doesn't matter how many ships I have I would never say no to another one and I will always be happy to grind away during an event to get one for free and most players are of the same mind and whats more cryptic know it.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
What you say about ships is 100% true. But the winter event and summer event are different as well. More players care about the swimsuit costumes compared to winter event stuff. And those players will do whatever it takes to acquire those items. I won't be surprised either way if cryptic decides to keep lohunat favors or replace them this summer.
EDIT: I guess that what I'm essentially saying is, don't be surprised if lohunat favors are retired this coming summer.
the thing is the most expensive swimsuit in the store is only 1000 lohunat favors and you can easily reap that amount in a day if you put your mind to it and have the time, the thing with ship tokens is without spending real life money the most tokens you can get in a day is 40 out of the 1000 that you need.
they know that unless you spend cash they will get you logging in for at least 25 days to get the ship, its not so with any of the store items.
that is why they will be replacing the ship tokens every year but not the lohunat favors or winter baubles, its just not worth the effort.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Ah but they don't need to "take them away." In 2013 and 2014, Q Glossy photos could be bought with lobi and they were retired anyway, not that this actually happened all that much. All Cryptic would need to do is "retire" the lohunat favors from being usable for purchasing NEW swimsuits that are released next summer. They could still be used to purchase all of the old stuff and the new currency (holographic lohunat pendants or whatever) could be used to purchase anything. Removing them would be going too far.
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