...because I refuse to be insulted by these hacks anymore who seem to consider the viewers of entertainment as infants who are only capable of comprehending and enjoying pretty flashing lights. Star Trek was great - and now it's just another formulaic reboot. I might see it like I saw "Into Darkness" - three years after release date on Netflix.
What is this movie even about?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRVD32rnzOw
How far the franchise has fallen since my favorite ST movie (I understand your objections to the characterization of Kirk, they are reasonable, but it's still a great film):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCcf9FBsNVo
People can tell me to "get with the times" all they want - that "it's just a silly movie and you should enjoy it" - but when you give me a trailer that tells me nothing about the story of the movie you tell me you have no story which means you're incompetent.
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Also, it's not a reboot, it's an alternate universe, and the last two films have been leaps and bounds above Insurrection, Generations, or the Final Fronter.
Try judging it on its content not by crying about it from one trailer.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
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I judge it by not liking the first two.
The new Star Wars movie is pretty great though and oddly doesn't suffer from any of the mistakes the Star Trek movies made and even has a very pleasant pacing which would fit a Star Trek movie. So maybe there's something to the fact that Abrams just really, really disliked Star Trek and had to do something to bridge the gap until he was offered the Wars, who knows.
Having a new director and a few new faces working on "Beyond" might make it watchable, but as I said, definitely not a expensive cinema movie. Maybe a rental.
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Did you judge TWOK by TMP? or TUC by FF?
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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I liked TMP and FF, what's your point? I am allowed to not like stuff right? Its ok. My dislike for something has no bearing on your enjoyment of same.
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Which of course entirely nullifies ones' liking or disliking about something, you're right
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I will *also* be trialling the new film score in the theater, and since film scores typically only stay in print a short time, that is another reason not to skip out on the theatrical release.
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You can like or dislike whatever you want. Just pointing out that Star Trek fans have a long history of hating things just because they are new. The majority of Trekkers didn't accept TNG as real Trek until Best Of Both Worlds.
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You can see my point. I'm saying don't judge one film by another.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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True, but I got it that you used it as a remark that criticising the new films is invalid because whoever does so just does it because "Trek fans always did that. There's no other reason why anyone should mention that some fans liked and some disliked TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT or any of the movies. It's natural.
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As a child of the 80s, I cut my teeth on TNG. Which lead me to watch TOS, and I watched DS9, and VOY, and ENT. As a matter of fact, I've probably rewatched ENT more than any other series. Not liking something because is new just doesn't hold water.
I don't like the new Trek movies because they are purely action movies with a badly written story that fails to make me care about what happens to any of the characters. Action is fine, but it shouldn't preclude a well written story. Especially when they did the same basic story in both movies. Kirk learns to lead in both, Spock learns to be emotional when necessary in both, Uhura loves Spock, Scotty says wacky things, Bones is...there, I guess?
Maybe now that Orci is gone it will get better. I can't think of a single thing he's done I have actually liked. Transformers was bad, Amazing Spiderman 2 was bad, and both Trek movies are bad. But given the track record of the reboot, I'll wait until I do't have to spend money to find out.
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That's the point of a good trailer: to introduce the movie without giving too much away (which, I might add, the Star Wars trailers accomplished superbly).
I won't tell you to "get with the times" or anything like that; you are entitled to your own opinions. However, I will ask you to keep your as-of-yet unwarranted pessimism to yourself.
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But you are not the crowd I was talking about. The crowd I was talking about started out with TOS. I can tell you about my experiences at that time. I remember going to conventions in South Carolina and the response to the announcement of Star Trek The Next Generation was met with negative response. I remember people dumping on it because it wasn't the originals...the ship was all wrong...there was a Klingon as a part of the crew...that Star Trek V: The Final Frontier was true Star Trek and TNG wasn't. So when I see the same dumping on the reboot it reminds me of the when people dumped on TNG.
However let's look at your complaints about the new movies:
1) a badly written story. Is this the first Star Trek movie with a badly written story? IMO Final Frontier has a pretty badly written story. Is there a TNG movie other than First Contact that isn't badly written? Are there not badly written episodes in all the series? Spock's Brain takes the cake in the TOS...the first two seasons of TNG are loaded with stinkers but to pick one I'll say Cod of Honor. DS9, Voyager and Enterprise all have badly written episodes...so why is the reboot the only one held over the fire over badly written stories?
2) The same basic stories told over again. Star Trek never retold the same stories all over again. Isn't The Motion Picture just a big budget version of The Changeling? Aren't Riker and Trois the same story of Dekker and Ilia? Again why are we faulting the reboots for the same things the prime universe series did?
Like I said...love what you love, hate what you hate...i just find it eerily familiar.
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A better question is, why do you care so much whether other people see the movie or not? I'm going to see the movie...because I want to. If I enjoy it, great. If I don't, no big deal. Either way, people shouldn't be so insecure that they need other people to validate or "side with them" about their choices of entertainment or how they feel about a certain movie.
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Pretty much all of this. Star Trek does not require a litmus test in order to be considered a fan of it. It's a franchise, not a cult.
And don't call me a hater or whatever. I kept an open mind and I gave the JJ reboot in '09 a shot. Did. Not. Like.
That's the problem. No one is willing to give it a chance because its different. Purists would rather we continue down a road that right now has gone stale. We get an opening for new stories without harming the continuity we already know, and they cry because its not the same.
NOT EVERYONE THINKS TOS IS GODLY PEOPLE! Its an alternate universe. No different than the accepted Mirror Universe and other realities that have been seen. We just happen to be showcasing this new reality more. It is introducing a new generation to Star Trek. Get over the hate please. Otherwise you fail at IDIC, which is a Trek concept.
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-Get over it. Just because its not the same doesn't make it garbage. New crew for a new century. Also its an Alternate Reality, which means everything STILL EXISTS! I don't see the Transformers fans complaining about HOW MANY continuities they got that aren't affecting each other? Um... I honestly don't know how many they got now.
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That's where the divide between the JJ Abrams movies and everything else becomes incredibly silly, because the why between hating JJ Abrams and hating Enterprise becomes different.
JJ Abrams is just a convenient target. People will blame anything and everything wrong with Star Trek on him and him alone. But if you see people criticise Voyager or Enterprise (myself included), the apologists crawl out of the woodwork.
"Enterprise would have been awesome if they just had one more season to showcase the megasuperawesome Earth-Romulan War that would have in no way been watered down or lackluster due to budgetary constraints."
I personally liked Voyager, but I can't make excuses for the horrible writing. It still had characters people liked. It still had heart to it. I even enjoy horrible writing. It's one reason I like Star Trek.
The JJ Abrams films on the other hand, I see the opposite. I see people going after miniscule things without ever really explaining why they hate it other than it's just "different". Lens flares. That's about it.
And I agree that people are attacking the director of the reboot movies because he's a convenient target and have rather weak arguments as to why EVERYONE should hate the reboot movies, including the Lense Flares. Going out of their way to bash it, rip it apart, ect for no other reason than its different and done differently makes no sense to me.
Another example is the live action Transformers movies. One of the nitpicks people had was Optimus Prime wasn't a flat nosed semitruck. What they were trying to do was make it believable that all that transformer could fit inside a truck. They were wanting to avoid the issue of mass coming and going out of thin air like what was rampant in some of the cartoons, such as when Megatron transformed in G1. And actually getting the ORIGINAL VOICE ACTOR for Optimus was an added bonus. Yet people specifically bash Michael Bay.
Well, yeah... It's only a Teaser Trailer. They never reveal the plot of a film. That's why they're called Teaser Trailers. I'm reserving judgement until they show an actual theatrical trailer.
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Um... ryan... that MIGHT be the theatrical. I saw that specific trailer when I went to see Star Wars YESTERDAY.