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  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    im talking about thig that people are blown up to pieces with full shields,hull,hazard em. on,traits working,but no spec tree.When you come back and you die becouse 70-80 percent of your skill is comming from traits or spec tree.sorry no skill here is implemented.

    It's pretty hard to take you seriously when you proclaim this game takes no skill but you yourself state are having trouble surviving against the Borg. And we've figured out our way around the Borg that we can do Omega STFs sleepwalking. Borg Red Alerts are a complete joke. Once can contrast your experience to others who have zero problems and throw your statement out the window.
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  • theraven2378theraven2378 Member Posts: 5,985 Arc User
    Ah the infamous invisible torpedo, it's caught me a out a few times, if you die in a stf don't get mad about it.
    It happens and getting caught out once in a while is nothing to be ashamed of.
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    • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,918 Arc User
      It's pretty hard to take you seriously when you proclaim this game takes no skill but you yourself state are having trouble surviving against the Borg. And we've figured out our way around the Borg that we can do Omega STFs sleepwalking. Borg Red Alerts are a complete joke. Once can contrast your experience to others who have zero problems and throw your statement out the window.


      Well said, this was exactly what I was saying earlier. The OP is basically unable to complete basic content and then saying that those of us who can sleep walk through it 'lack skill' or simply don't require any skill. It's a very contradictory statement.

      True is not difficult but you dont need skill,just mk XIV epic gear.full spec tree,80/90 percent of all traits and if you a new player you will have cca 7ok,dps,just spamming FAW.


      And there it is.. right there.. your answer. You just answered your own question.

      You're blowing up because you have no idea how to play the game. You think you can just put mark XIV gear on your ship and bam.. that's it. You're now invincible, you're as good as it gets..all you need is the gear.

      The reason you can't complete simple content without dying is because you don't know how to play the game. I'm sorry if that sounds harsh or aggressive, my intent is not to insult you, but there is simply no better way to say it then to just be straight forward and honest. The reason you're having problem is because you believe that gear and the space bar make you good and you're wrong.

      Once you learn some basic piloting technique, you'll stop dying all the time. I'm no where near an 'expert' player, there are people in this game that fly circles around me easily, but I still easily handle the content you're talking about. It's honestly laughable, the only time I have died in a Red Alert was when I foolishly cloaked right before a cube exploded and I ate the Warp Core Breach. Stupid mistake.. my fault. Outside of that, I honestly can't remember the last time I have died in a Red Alert, it's been years.

      Your problem exists because you believe that gear makes you good and it doesn't.
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    • scrooge69scrooge69 Member Posts: 1,108 Arc User
      lag + warp core breach is a deadly combination
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    • thetaninethetanine Member Posts: 1,367 Arc User
      e30ernest wrote: »
      . . . I can usually keep it up long enough to take out my target . . .

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    • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
      Anyone who says gear and traits and spec points make you good at this game have no idea what they're talking about.

      This game was easy long before lockbox traits, spec points or gear upgrading even existed. And other than Delta Rising, its been getting easier in every update.
    • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,569 Arc User
      Sometimes my own piloting. I tend to get into the thick of things and get overwhelmed.

      In Red Alerts the thing that 'kills' me is the DPS Jockeys that burn stuff down on their own so quickly you can't get to the fight quick enough to get the XP. It is an XP Boost Zone, that is one of the primary reasons I am there. I finish up one fight, wait for the Red Alert to clear and Full Impulse off to the next fight, only to see a Cube explode in the distance. Either that one is over or if there is still another Cube I need to get in their and BFAW and TS away to get in on the XP.

      Recently the problem has been that when the Borg Red Alert pops in Sector Space and you enter (right away) you end up at the end of it fighting the Borg Command 'Pickle'

      As far as the Borg STFs, last night was the first time in many, many months I did one and even longer at Advanced. ISA, is the only Borg STF I have ever run. After having all the left generators down before I could fire on them I went to the Gate to GW all the incoming Nanospheres. This is where, if I do get killed, I get killed; fighting off the crowd to give the rest of the team more time with the Transformer. Basically a wasted effort as the Transformer was probably down before I got into the thick of things with the Nanos.

      So basically, when I do get killed it is because I get myself into a situation close up with a lot of Spheres all around me aka pilot error.
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    • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,918 Arc User
      This is not a skill game is gear oriented game with passive abilities.You nead gear and 10 percent of skill anything else is just pure lie..

      You're the one saying you can't stay alive in a game that takes no skill. In the same statement, you're saying the game is totally easy while still being too hard for you. Make up your mind.
      You have traits that make you unkillable,you have no CD,one player can wipe all in advanced isa is that skill?? ,no just gear if this person try to do this with average team,with common white gear Mk XII sci char,not tac,in t5 u ship he will blow up,every 30 sec and thats is the truth,but truth hurst sometimes.

      There is not a shred of truth in that paragraph. If YOU go into ISA with mark XII gear, you will die because you're completely dependent on your gear and have no idea what you're doing.
      I was making 111 k last year in mi scimitar.was that skill??,no just all gear,and bad game mechanics.exploting bad game mechnics and i was bored to death.

      You're pulling 111k and can't kill borg in a red alert before you explode? Yeah, I'm calling B.S.

      Once i learn pilot technique,good one.Dude i was professional player for 11 years.Sold mi company ad age 35.
      I think i know one or two things about games.jesus.

      Again, calling B.S. You're a 'professional gamer' but you can't handle STO? lol..that's just good comedy right there.

      Dude you realize im talking from perspective of casual player,not somebody who sleeps in sto or in any other game.

      So you're a casual professional gamer who pulls 111k DPS and can't kill a Borg cube.. got it.

      You need to up the dosage on your anti-psychotics.



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    • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
      You need to up the dosage on your anti-psychotics.
      Some things can't be fixed with medication....
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    • gaalomgaalom Member Posts: 530 Arc User
      I get this op is not being too smart in his words and contradictory at the same time. Climb off the dog pile maybe? The Borg with a team are easy, alone not so much. The Vaadwaur and Iconian ships and npcs are cheats for all tense and purposes. Only because they can spam abilities about every five seconds, while player abilities are on a much longer cool down, which makes it impossible to use one ability to counter another ability.

      Example the one mission with Khaless trying to blow up omega particles. They spawn a cruiser and a dreadnought right up top of you. You have to shoot the orange round ball thingy before it blows you up, but you constantly got the Iconian virus shutting your weapons off. Up top of that a dreadnought and cruiser shooting at you. Leaves you in a impossible situation.

      With the Vaadwaur they use a insane op aoe and spam it every second on the second at times, only hope move fast, but against lots of Vaadwaur ships its only a question of when your going to go boom

      Now by this point a troll like creature will come along and snip the top half but not the last half of what I am about to say. Forums too predictable.

      With all I have said with a full rep of buffs, decent gear, and full specialization in ground and space all three of these races would not be a problem on any difficulty. Thats sort of the problem right now. You have to do the delta quadrant and Iconian war to get the specialization points, but both are set up as if you already have a full specialization decked out, a full reputation of buffs decked out, and decent gear.

      In the end I do not think its a question of the game being easy, as much as it depends on what each individual character has. For the record I really wish this game was based more on tactics then ability wars. Ability wars are plain and require buffs and best gear the end. Does dying really effect you? No, nobody likes being used for target practice, and not at least having a fighting chance.
    • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
      edited December 2015
      im talking about thig that people are blown up to pieces with full shields,hull,hazard em. on,traits working,but no spec tree.When you come back and you die becouse 70-80 percent of your skill is comming from traits or spec tree.sorry no skill here is implemented.

      It's pretty hard to take you seriously when you proclaim this game takes no skill but you yourself state are having trouble surviving against the Borg. And we've figured out our way around the Borg that we can do Omega STFs sleepwalking. Borg Red Alerts are a complete joke. Once can contrast your experience to others who have zero problems and throw your statement out the window.

      i dint say we failed borg alert ,im saying after last patch people with me in borg alert and stfs blow up for no reason,i nobody didnt know why.

      I know with full spec tree,+all traits and MK XIV ultra rare or epic game is a joke,thats true,but im not talking about that.

      Im talking about what experience will have new player/s or returning player after playing broken content,you have been hit multiple times from unknown thing and what is worse you cant see incomming torpedo.

      Way of the topic.

      Nothing at all off the topic.

      Because every patch, some guy blames his performance on some unlisted change when nobody else is having problems. Time and time again I've seen someone go this route, and they never take a look at what they're doing. Last night on DPS-10000 channel, some guy was saying Cryptic nerfed A2B somehow. But other A2B users had no issues at all.

      If I ever get blown up in combat, I know exactly what happened leading into it, or soon afterwards, found out why. And it usually amounted to me doing something stupid or making a mistake.

      In other words, you need to look at what you're doing or failing to do, that is often the cause of getting blown up and not some 0 where a 1 should be magically making you blow up more often.
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    • gaalomgaalom Member Posts: 530 Arc User
      coldnapalm wrote: »
      gaalom wrote: »
      I get this op is not being too smart in his words and contradictory at the same time. Climb off the dog pile maybe? The Borg with a team are easy, alone not so much. The Vaadwaur and Iconian ships and npcs are cheats for all tense and purposes. Only because they can spam abilities about every five seconds, while player abilities are on a much longer cool down, which makes it impossible to use one ability to counter another ability.

      Example the one mission with Khaless trying to blow up omega particles. They spawn a cruiser and a dreadnought right up top of you. You have to shoot the orange round ball thingy before it blows you up, but you constantly got the Iconian virus shutting your weapons off. Up top of that a dreadnought and cruiser shooting at you. Leaves you in a impossible situation.

      With the Vaadwaur they use a insane op aoe and spam it every second on the second at times, only hope move fast, but against lots of Vaadwaur ships its only a question of when your going to go boom

      Now by this point a troll like creature will come along and snip the top half but not the last half of what I am about to say. Forums too predictable.

      With all I have said with a full rep of buffs, decent gear, and full specialization in ground and space all three of these races would not be a problem on any difficulty. Thats sort of the problem right now. You have to do the delta quadrant and Iconian war to get the specialization points, but both are set up as if you already have a full specialization decked out, a full reputation of buffs decked out, and decent gear.

      In the end I do not think its a question of the game being easy, as much as it depends on what each individual character has. For the record I really wish this game was based more on tactics then ability wars. Ability wars are plain and require buffs and best gear the end. Does dying really effect you? No, nobody likes being used for target practice, and not at least having a fighting chance.

      The borg red alerts solo is easy. Like I said, I can do it in my cannon boat. In a beam boat...yeah it's ridiculously simple. And the vaadwaur and iconians don't spam that fast...it's just that there are MORE of them then you. Action economy. They have 5 ships to your one...guess what, they can spam abilities more then you can. Even with that on their side, they are a cakewalk anyways.

      Now for this one, if it's the mission I think it is, then that cutscene has more issues then having them spawn on top of you because they can fire on you while in that cutscene before you can do anything and if you are in an escort with little hull buff, you will get control of a dead ship. Really, that mission is badly done. That doesn't mean the iconians are badly done enemies...just that mission is stupid.

      Those light cannons won't hit any ship going at full impulse...so unless you are stopping to maximize your BFAW, they should not be tagging you. Or you put your engine power to min...I suppose that can cause issues as well. But honestly, it's not that hard to avoid those.

      You don't need all those things. My alts that have NO rep done, using second hand gear and kinda started on specs can take these guys down without any issues. If you THINK you need all those things, go back to the basics of ship building and piloting. While all those things you mentioned HELPS, they are far from must have items.

      This game is easy. There is no if and or buts about it. Hell, casual phone app games have more of a challenge than this game does. You don't need the all the abilities to do well in this game. If you think you do...once again, go back to the basics.

      According to your opinion and you have nothing to back up what you have said at all, so writing as if it is the law, and everyone else is a bad player does not make it fact. Your statement is at its core predictable any game anyone plays in, as soon as someone says its hard, someone else pops in and says nah its easy your just a bad. Oh and using caps does not make something finite. Some things never change.
    • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
      Actually rep stuff is kinda easy. You can get enough traits just from the first two levels of the reps to improve almost any build. Sure the higher tiers have some of the better ones, but the high tier traits are different, not inherently better.
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    • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,918 Arc User
      Something weird was happening that morning i,never seen all players exploding in stf 5,6 times for no reason.same thing happend that day in borg alert.

      I never said we didnt finished stf,we failed red alert etc.

      I personally have never seen this. If there was a bug, it's fixed now.

      Its not true that all games are based on damage,like some post suggest.

      No one said that. He said that gear was important in this game, as it is in all games, but it doesn't directly substitute for skill. It requires both, you can't just slap a bunch of epic gear on your ship and be an elite player. It simply doesn't work that way.
      Today games are more or less bad,no imagination,as i wrote before sadly all games today are clones.nothing new is happening.

      Gaming is a hobby. It's something that you do for fun.. or at least you should be doing it for fun. If a hobby isn't fun, you should simply stop doing it. There is no point in pouring your time and effort into an optional activity that gives you nothing back.

      Any of you with 20k +post works for cryptic maybe??if you post all the time do you actually play the game or your job is too observe forums???btw nothing new in gamimg industry.

      None of us work for Cryptic. Some of us have just been on the boards for a long time, or in my case, I work in IT and I'm in front of a computer all day at work so the forum provides something to read in my 'down time.'

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    • whiteknight1xwhiteknight1x Member Posts: 187 Arc User
      samt1996 wrote: »
      Nothing kills me in borg alerts. Pathetically easy.
      I have all MK XIV gears (most UR) so the Red Alerts are easy. As an Engineer I can and do take out the Borg alone. No need to team up.

    • whiteknight1xwhiteknight1x Member Posts: 187 Arc User
      You could join a Fleet. They will help you get your character better. Oh and depending how you play some skill and strategy is needed. I play on Elite Difficulty so believe me its not just about the gear or specs, some skill and strategy is needed. It just in the Red Alerts since I am setup for Elite play they are very easy to do.
    • gaalomgaalom Member Posts: 530 Arc User


      Wait...the fact that me and pretty much a good majority of people on this board is saying that the red alerts are stupid easy doesn't make it true? That's not proof that it is easy? The fact that my alts with none of the stuff you listed can do it just fine isn't proof that you don't need all that stuff you listed? Humm...WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU. And using caps makes something finite? Do you even know what that word means?!? Or are you using fancy words to try and make yourself look smart (here's a clue, it never works, it just proves you are stupid)? And yes, some thing never change...like stupid people doing stupid things and thinking it's everything but themselves. [/quote]

      Does the word calm mean anything to you? Or is that your response to everything WTF and caps?
      Grant it doing the rep system is easy but I was speaking overall about the game as that came in the discussion. Some of the stfs rely on good team work to get done. The only difficulty with the rep system is procuring resources to get it done at times. Atleast thats how I felt until I realized they changed the reward system on the stfs again, while I was gone.
    • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
      Someone should have given you a spell check for Christmas.
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