Why'd Poe take off his jacket before he crashed? That's the important question here.
Actually, in the book, he looses it while getting his TRIBBLE out of the crashed TIE fighter.
(which he managed to fly to a controlled crash landing after Finn ejected)
It gets caught on something and he leaves it behind.
Which is a completely valid explanation. But in the actual movie Finn didn't open the TIE fighter. So how did he get it? I don't recall seeing him pick it up, but I probably just wasn't paying attention.
In the book, Poe tells Finn that he was partially ejected out the front of the TIE when it hit the ground and in the movie the TIE's front window is smashed out.
That's where Finn found the jacket, caught in the frame work when he tries to see if Poe is still in the flaming cockpit.
So you're saying Finn saw Poe wasn't in the TIE, but thought he died in the crash? If the TIE was empty that would suggest otherwise. And I thought you said his jacket was caught on something and he had to take it off to get out? But now he was ejected?
Why'd Poe take off his jacket before he crashed? That's the important question here.
Actually, in the book, he looses it while getting his TRIBBLE out of the crashed TIE fighter.
(which he managed to fly to a controlled crash landing after Finn ejected)
It gets caught on something and he leaves it behind.
Which is a completely valid explanation. But in the actual movie Finn didn't open the TIE fighter. So how did he get it? I don't recall seeing him pick it up, but I probably just wasn't paying attention.
In the book, Poe tells Finn that he was partially ejected out the front of the TIE when it hit the ground and in the movie the TIE's front window is smashed out.
That's where Finn found the jacket, caught in the frame work when he tries to see if Poe is still in the flaming cockpit.
So you're saying Finn saw Poe wasn't in the TIE, but thought he died in the crash? If the TIE was empty that would suggest otherwise. And I thought you said his jacket was caught on something and he had to take it off to get out? But now he was ejected?
The movie shows Finn 'attempting' to see if Poe is in the cockpit, but the inside of cockpit is apparently burning with the jacket laying partially on the sand and partially on the framework of the front of the cockpit.
We see Finn grab the jacket and fall back due to the heat and smoke and then the TIE begins to sink into the sand.
It's not all that clear exactly what he actually sees inside of TIE because of the distant camera angle.
The book makes it seem like Finn sees something inside the burning cockpit and assumes it's Poe.
At which point he spots the jacket caught in the front window framework and pulls it out.
Poe tells Finn in the book when they next meet on D'Qar, that he was ejected out the front and landed in the sand.
He then woke up and wandered off, apparently in the opposite direction that Finn went.
Apparently in the movie, Finn is so distraught he doesn't think to look for footprints around the TIE.
There's a whole part in the book that tells of how Poe survives in the Jakku desert and how he eventually gets off planet.
JJ obviously edited that out of the movie to keep the audience guessing as to Poe's eventual outcome...
Was he dead or not...
The only problem (IMO) is that anybody who saw the trailers for the movie, knew in advance that Poe doesn't die because we saw him flying an X-wing in a trailer scene that hadn't been shown at the time of his supposed death in the movie.
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Poe tells Finn in the book when they next meet on D'Qar, that he was ejected out the front and landed in the sand.
So when did he take the jacket off, according to the book? While he was trying to crash land?
Sorry, it is a bit convoluted between the book and the movie...
No, in the book Poe is only unconscious, after hitting his head when the TIE is struck by the New Order shot.
He awakens just after Finn ejects and then manages to fly the ship down to a crash landing.
(we don't see this in the movie which is why we're lead to believe with Finn that he's dead)
Apparently after hitting the ground, Poe ends up hanging partially out the front of the cockpit, face first in the sand.
(which Poe describes later as "being ejected")
At that point he struggles out of the jacket cause it's caught in the framework of the ship.
He's dazed and wanders off into the desert.
It is some time before Finn finally walks from where his ejection seat drops him to the TIE crash site.
Even though the movie is kinda vague about that.
By the time Finn gets there, the ships interior has been burning for awhile, and Finn can't really tell if Poe is in there or not.
Finn assumes he is.
Somehow the jacket miraculously survives the heat and flames for Finn to find.
I'm thinking that Poe's uncanny good luck must have rubbed off on it.
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Surprising point for me - Chewbacca actually failed more like a person then in the original movies.
The funny thing is that SWEU killed off Chewbacca. But for the actual movie, Han Solo bites it! In the end after all these years, Harrisson Ford got his way
Apparently after hitting the ground, Poe ends up hanging partially out the front of the cockpit, face first in the sand.
(which Poe describes later as "being ejected")
At that point he struggles out of the jacket cause it's caught in the framework of the ship.
He's dazed and wanders off into the desert.
Here is the part of that explanation that I don't really understand: how was he "partially ejected" from the cockpit, while still wearing his jacket, if the jacket was also caught in the TIE? And if the jacket was in fact caught, how did Finn just pull it out with no problem? Obviously this is not some big plot point, but the explanation doesn't seem to make any logical sense.
Yeah, I'm probably gonna see it tomorrow and I've already heard of Han's death. It's a sad, unintended sacrafice, but he'll return, and he'll be more powerful than you can possibly imagine!
That movie (along with Star Trek Beyond) will be kicka**!
Also, the Trekkie's version of Bohemian Rhapsody:
I see a little silohetto of a fool/(Vaadwaur),
Voyager, Voyager, will you fire a torpedo?
Tetryon and Tractors, very very annoying me!
Tom Paris, Tom Paris, Tom Paris, Tom Paris,
Tom Paris, Harry Kim, TAKE US HOME!!!
So many people I know are buying into the hype of this movie.
So much wrong with it.
A few examples:
How did the bad guy know where Vader's remains were? Did Unca Luke bring that up often as polite conversation? Death Star sized plot hole.
Who thought letting Harrison Ford kill off the character that made him, much like Nimoy did, was a good idea. (Sorry, I know it's too soon, but Nimoy came to his senses where I'm pretty sure "Indi" won't) Yes. Harrys been whining about killing off Han for decades and Lucas wouldn't do it, for a good reason that this movie demonstrates.
BB-8 is completely implausible, there only to show off the CGI.
Of all the things wrong with the movie, Kylo having Vader's helmet wasn't one of them. Kylo used to be "good", and began to be trained by Luke. Luke either kept Vaders helmet when he left Endor, or told Ben where his grandfather was buried. Either way, Ben eventually turned dark, became obsessed with Vader, and took the helmet. It's a pretty simple thought process.
It's no secret where Luke brought Vader to: Endor.
Because after burning Vader's body, he rejoined the others at the Ewok village. From that a lone, you have a very general area to look in finding Darth Vader's remains. It's not like you're Tomb Raiding some lost civilization's ruins in the middle of nowhere
Apparently after hitting the ground, Poe ends up hanging partially out the front of the cockpit, face first in the sand.
(which Poe describes later as "being ejected")
At that point he struggles out of the jacket cause it's caught in the framework of the ship.
He's dazed and wanders off into the desert.
Here is the part of that explanation that I don't really understand: how was he "partially ejected" from the cockpit, while still wearing his jacket, if the jacket was also caught in the TIE? And if the jacket was in fact caught, how did Finn just pull it out with no problem? Obviously this is not some big plot point, but the explanation doesn't seem to make any logical sense.
I did say that it was a bit convoluted between the book and the movie.
From what I could gather... (speculation mode ON)
When the TIE hit the ground, the pilot seat broke free and slammed forward breaking the glass of the cockpit window.
(why Poe wasn't squished is beyond me, more of that uncanny luck of his)
As he struggles to get out of the seat harness, he's forced also to slide partially out of his jacket.
Apparently, the way the seat ends up, is half hanging in and out of the cockpit with Poe face down in the sand.
(this is what he tells Finn later was an "ejection", his word not mine)
In the process of extracting himself, the jacket get's caught on something (the frame of the front window and/or the seat), the seat drops back into the TIE as Poe slips out (in order for Finn to not be able to tell if Poe is in there with the flames and smoke), and he is so dazed that he doesn't think about taking the jacket with him, thus leaving it behind as he wanders away. (speculation mode OFF)
It's a plot device, kinda lame, but it gives Finn something to wear while wandering the desert and a memento of his newly found -Supposedly Dead- friend.
It also is used as a literary device in the building of their friendship...,
When Finn tries to give it back to Poe later on D'Qar, Poe tells him to keep it, "...it looks good on him..., and I've got a new one..."
It's a small tidbit, but apparently JJ felt it was important enough to put in the movie.
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They showed it off at Comic-Con, and you can buy a little BB-8 that uses the same basic tech.
To be fair, some of the shots of BB-8 are CGI...
Especially the part where he's tumbling around the inside of Millennium Falcon and uses his retractable cables to anchor himself.
BTW: that whole scene is two sentences in the book, with the cable part being completely left out.
(speculation)
Must be the Tech's at ILM came up with that shot and JJ liked it enough to add it to the film.
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I grew up in the 80's and 90's, and love the Original Trilogy, I must've watched them hundreds of times in my very early teens.
I was pretty much Star Wars obsessed, and went on to read the first 30 or 40 Expanded Universe novels (Approved by Lucas).
So one could say, I was a super fan. Its a time in my life I'll fondly remember.
Then sometime in 95' (or 96') to my great delight, news came that Prequels were indeed on their way, and set to be released in 99'.
The wait was long, and the hype was huge. I devoured even more EU material.
Finally the day had arrived, I was ready, packed with all the knowledge of the Star Wars Universe, and a great hunger to see the series anew.
What happened next, was one of the most unfortunate occurrences in life, when one of your passions finally comes to an end.
The movie was awful in my mind, and was incongruent with a lot of what I had read in the EU.
Simply put, it did not feel like Star Wars to me.
I was confused and lost, eventually turning away from what I had so loved.
The remaining 2 episodes of the Prequels, did little to rekindle my love of Star Wars.
I went so far as to exclude them from what I called Star Wars. While still loving the Originals, I turned away from the Universe at that point.
Many years have past, and I'm a grown man now.
Seemingly out of the blue, Lucas sells his IP to Disney in a blockbuster deal.
The rumours emerge, and a hype campaign like we've never seen is assaulted on the public.
There will be another Star Wars: The Force Awakens...
Something "awakened" in me at that point. I was ready to forgive.
Shortly after the reboot was announced we also heard that the EU was being relegated to "Legends" status.
So for someone like myself, who'd read many of them, I felt slightly betrayed.
But, I was willing to admit, it might work out for the best. (Even though it annoyed me they would do that to a fan base, by telling them, "No, none of this ever happened" even though the EU was approved by Lucas as Canon - but that's another conversation for another thread).
I was still pretty excited.
It was a New Hope for the franchise, and it was one more chance to recapture some of the old fan base who'd left.
After seeing it tonight, I can say, I genuinely love the new protagonist characters, Finn and Rey.
They will carry the series for the next generation.
There was more then its fair share of fanfare, and nods to the Originals, and even some to the Prequels, which for the most part were done tastefully, if a bit over the top at times.
The atmosphere and scenery really did feel like (Original) Star Wars for the most part.
Though, slightly new, for a new generation.
Abrams even went so far as to add in a Cantina scene that featured plenty of Puppet prop aliens, as seen in the original cantina.
While also mixing in some newer CGI animations.
I think that was a very nice nod to the Original trilogy. And the magic those puppet had on the screen.
While the castings seem to be more millennial oriented (like you would see in the Hunger Games/Twilight), it wasn't as "Twilighty" as it could've been. Thankfully, the younger cast don't go to far down that path.
Though, I would've preferred a darker, less hipster feel to some of the characters.
Excluding Finn and Rey of course, they were truly amazing.
The story itself is fairly predicable, and feels somewhat rushed. There's just so much happening in such a short time, and such large plot holes, that it would be impossible to do it justice in it's fairly short screen time.
With the next 2 films they should be able fill the very large plot gaps and question marks, but they've got a lot of ground to cover yet. So it's quite possible they may not stuff it all in without rushing things along.
The pace of plot is dizzying, and is enough to make a Wookie's head spin. Hopping from planet to ship to planet, in a seemingly non-stop action sequence. Barely taking the time to enjoy itself.
At times it seems as if they are trying to keep the audience from getting bored.
Coming to the conclusion of the film, I was thinking this had been a fairly solid offering.
And then I saw what I didn't ever need to see....The death of Han Solo.
At this very moment, I'm still in shock.
I'm upset in the way they wrote him out, I'm upset the end for Solo is uninspiring, and flat. I'm upset the scene itself, elicits almost no emotion, other then "Huge Mistake JJ"
I'm upset that his death was so uninspiring that I felt almost nothing, other then confusion.
In the end, there are 2 sides of the coin to Star Wars The Force Awakens. A light side and a dark side.
There was good and bad. And the end result comes out Grey.
And while much better then the Prequels IMO, I still say long live the originals.
If you're an old Star Wars fan like myself, you might just feel that this series is better left to a new generation.
That's who it's certainly aimed at. The death of Han only cements that, effectively splitting the link to the past, so a new story can continue.
One which I may watch and follow along, but will never appreciate like my first true love, the Originals.
May the Force be with you.
Yes, I agree, the could've made it to where he goes out like Kirk's father, by ramming the Falcon (badly damaged or not) into the star destroyer's bridge. I mean, do they want us to show our anger? Fortunately for me, I know about it thanks to my brother, so it probably won't be AS sad for me.
I grew up in the 80's and 90's, and love the Original Trilogy, I must've watched them hundreds of times in my very early teens.
I was pretty much Star Wars obsessed, and went on to read the first 30 or 40 Expanded Universe novels (Approved by Lucas).
So one could say, I was a super fan. Its a time in my life I'll fondly remember.
Then sometime in 95' (or 96') to my great delight, news came that Prequels were indeed on their way, and set to be released in 99'.
The wait was long, and the hype was huge. I devoured even more EU material.
Finally the day had arrived, I was ready, packed with all the knowledge of the Star Wars Universe, and a great hunger to see the series anew.
What happened next, was one of the most unfortunate occurrences in life, when one of your passions finally comes to an end.
The movie was awful in my mind, and was incongruent with a lot of what I had read in the EU.
Simply put, it did not feel like Star Wars to me.
I was confused and lost, eventually turning away from what I had so loved.
The remaining 2 episodes of the Prequels, did little to rekindle my love of Star Wars.
I went so far as to exclude them from what I called Star Wars. While still loving the Originals, I turned away from the Universe at that point.
Many years have past, and I'm a grown man now.
Seemingly out of the blue, Lucas sells his IP to Disney in a blockbuster deal.
The rumours emerge, and a hype campaign like we've never seen is assaulted on the public.
There will be another Star Wars: The Force Awakens...
Something "awakened" in me at that point. I was ready to forgive.
Shortly after the reboot was announced we also heard that the EU was being relegated to "Legends" status.
So for someone like myself, who'd read many of them, I felt slightly betrayed.
But, I was willing to admit, it might work out for the best. (Even though it annoyed me they would do that to a fan base, by telling them, "No, none of this ever happened" even though the EU was approved by Lucas as Canon - but that's another conversation for another thread).
I was still pretty excited.
It was a New Hope for the franchise, and it was one more chance to recapture some of the old fan base who'd left.
After seeing it tonight, I can say, I genuinely love the new protagonist characters, Finn and Rey.
They will carry the series for the next generation.
There was more then its fair share of fanfare, and nods to the Originals, and even some to the Prequels, which for the most part were done tastefully, if a bit over the top at times.
The atmosphere and scenery really did feel like (Original) Star Wars for the most part.
Though, slightly new, for a new generation.
Abrams even went so far as to add in a Cantina scene that featured plenty of Puppet prop aliens, as seen in the original cantina.
While also mixing in some newer CGI animations.
I think that was a very nice nod to the Original trilogy. And the magic those puppet had on the screen.
While the castings seem to be more millennial oriented (like you would see in the Hunger Games/Twilight), it wasn't as "Twilighty" as it could've been. Thankfully, the younger cast don't go to far down that path.
Though, I would've preferred a darker, less hipster feel to some of the characters.
Excluding Finn and Rey of course, they were truly amazing.
The story itself is fairly predicable, and feels somewhat rushed. There's just so much happening in such a short time, and such large plot holes, that it would be impossible to do it justice in it's fairly short screen time.
With the next 2 films they should be able fill the very large plot gaps and question marks, but they've got a lot of ground to cover yet. So it's quite possible they may not stuff it all in without rushing things along.
The pace of plot is dizzying, and is enough to make a Wookie's head spin. Hopping from planet to ship to planet, in a seemingly non-stop action sequence. Barely taking the time to enjoy itself.
At times it seems as if they are trying to keep the audience from getting bored.
Coming to the conclusion of the film, I was thinking this had been a fairly solid offering.
And then I saw what I didn't ever need to see....The death of Han Solo.
At this very moment, I'm still in shock.
I'm upset in the way they wrote him out, I'm upset the end for Solo is uninspiring, and flat. I'm upset the scene itself, elicits almost no emotion, other then "Huge Mistake JJ"
I'm upset that his death was so uninspiring that I felt almost nothing, other then confusion.
In the end, there are 2 sides of the coin to Star Wars The Force Awakens. A light side and a dark side.
There was good and bad. And the end result comes out Grey.
And while much better then the Prequels IMO, I still say long live the originals.
If you're an old Star Wars fan like myself, you might just feel that this series is better left to a new generation.
That's who it's certainly aimed at. The death of Han only cements that, effectively splitting the link to the past, so a new story can continue.
One which I may watch and follow along, but will never appreciate like my first true love, the Originals.
May the Force be with you.
Yes, I agree, the could've made it to where he goes out like Kirk's father, by ramming the Falcon (badly damaged or not) into the star destroyer's bridge. I mean, do they want us to show our anger? Fortunately for me, I know about it thanks to my brother, so it probably won't be AS sad for me.
I've seen it twice now, both times it brought a tear to my eye and a bit of angry frustration to my thought processes.
But I guess that's what it is supposed to do...,
In the book Kylo also has mixed feelings.
He's satisfied and proud to be able to tell Master Snoke he has achieved a great step in his journey toward the Dark Side of the Force, but he also contemplates what it means to his Mother.
Which he quickly dismisses to the back of his thoughts, but it lingers there.
It's obvious to me that they plan on having Kylo Ren be a very conflicted character throughout this new trilogy.
Every time he does something dark and evil, his thought processes include having to push back against the Light Side in him.
He's never going to be able to be completely evil like his grandfather, because he isn't able to entirely ignore the parts of his Mother in him.
His real angst will be when he finally meets his mother again.
(you know they are going to include a scene like this at some point)
Leia is probably going to be the one who distracts Ren causing him to be struck down by Rey in their final battle together as equal users of the Force.
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I've seen it twice now, both times it brought a tear to my eye and a bit of angry frustration to my thought processes.
But I guess that's what it is supposed to do...,
I do agree the audience is supposed to feel sad/angry at the death of Han. However, I think we are supposed to feel that way because we love the character, not because the director/writer killed him in such an inglorious way. I agree that George Kirk had a great hero's death and Han deserved something similar.
i know its probably getting old to talk about. but you guys are the only ones i talk to. i have noticed most people ether love it or hate it.there seems to be not to many people in between. i was wondering what your thought on this are. because it seems that the people that hate it are more then extremely harsh whether its race,gender related or people calling for j.j head.do you guys think they really mean some of the horrible things they say or are just trolls. because if they do mean these things it just reminds me why i love video games so much...sorry that i am talking about this i just needed to get this off my chest
i know its probably getting old to talk about. but you guys are the only ones i talk to. i have noticed most people ether love it or hate it.there seems to be not to many people in between. i was wondering what your thought on this are. because it seems that the people that hate it are more then extremely harsh whether its race,gender related or people calling for j.j head.do you guys think they really mean some of the horrible things they say or are just trolls. because if they do mean these things it just reminds me why i love video games so much...sorry that i am talking about this i just needed to get this off my chest
Remember, this is the Internet...
A LOT of people say stuff here they would probably never say to someone in person.
The anonymity of the web does often bring out the worst in people.
And, some folks just like to be negative-nellys when the majority is positive.
Also, there may be people who just don't like the movie, for whatever reason.
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i know its probably getting old to talk about. but you guys are the only ones i talk to. i have noticed most people ether love it or hate it.there seems to be not to many people in between. i was wondering what your thought on this are. because it seems that the people that hate it are more then extremely harsh whether its race,gender related or people calling for j.j head.do you guys think they really mean some of the horrible things they say or are just trolls. because if they do mean these things it just reminds me why i love video games so much...sorry that i am talking about this i just needed to get this off my chest
The thing I've noticed (and also on discussions on facebook, not just here) is that the people who don't like the film, are all making the exact same complaints... No one's said "I hate it coz I hate JJ and everything he does is a load of TRIBBLE!" everyone's backed up their displeasure with it in a reasonable and understandable manner. I find it interesting just how much convergence of thought there is in those critiques...
No one's said "I hate it coz I hate JJ and everything he does is a load of TRIBBLE!" everyone's backed up their displeasure with it in a reasonable and understandable manner.
Yeah, but it is easier to dismiss criticism when you create a strawman and lump everybody you disagree with into that group.
I've found that most of the complaints are based on how that particular person felt the story "should have gone", and didn't.
Which in reality, IS a critique of JJ and his decisions about the plots and characters.
I wonder who will be the first one to "bring Han back" in a book or comic?
<chuckle>
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I've found that most of the complaints are based on how that particular person felt the story "should have gone", and didn't.
Which in reality, IS a critique of JJ and his decisions about the plots and characters.
Every critique of every movie ever made is based on some decision that some person involved with the movie made. Visual, sound, story; all them are decisions people made. So any critique about any aspect of a movie is someone thinking it "should have gone"(or be done) a different way.
Personally, I really liked the Force Awakens. The Starkiller base was pretty neat, although both more realistic and less realistic all at once, and Han's death was certainly a surprise.
What I find a little hard to believe is how somebody recovered Anakin/Luke's original lightsaber. Seriously, it fell into the same bottomless pit that Luke did. Luke managed to grab onto some antennae and call out for help using the force. How did the lightsaber survive?
The Starkiller base is also a little questionable. After all, it uses stars as it's power source. It used up one star to fire it's first shot to destroy Coruscant. How did they just happen to move the entire planet into a different star system to have access to another star?
Winning.
It's what I do. It's what I just did. It's what I'm about to do again. It's being undisputed emperor of an empire that cannot be disproved as the most powerful intergalactic empire in the entire universe; I always win, and everything I've won will definitely be won again... by me. It's my signature move, and thus, it's my signature. Problem, Sonic? Yeah, I mean you, Sonic, because you're being beat up, despite your being super. You can't even hit Shadow back, can you? Nope, he's too strong for you. Of course, I'm not Shadow, I'm the Super Emerald fueled fox that's pulling the strings; trust me, the fight would only be a few frames long if I were in it personally. Oh, and here's something for all you guys thinking you can win Last Post Wins 3.0; trust me, I'll be around a long while after the sun has already consumed the Earth while I sit out with the forum servers on Titan. Yes, I mean Titan... that comparatively little moon orbiting Saturn. It's a nice little place in a version of our solar system where the sun is a lot bigger. I mean, Mars will last longer than your precious Earth, but by then, it'll be one hot planet... and I figure Saturn's moon will be about the right temperate for a super-powered warlord. Oh, and trust me, I packed a lot of rings, and I mean a lot. Trillions, in fact, so I'll never run out of rings to power my super form. Besides, if I start to run out, I can just chaos control more rings into my reach. It's quite easy, really. You should try it. Granted, you'll never have the 7 Super Emeralds that I have in my possession, nor the Master Emerald that I've got hidden away somewhere... absorbed into my body thanks to Sonic logic, but whatever. I win. Again. I'm not kidding, either. Just check Last Post Wins, and if the last post isn't mine, it soon will be. Very, very soon. You can count on it. Seriously. By the way, if you're wondering, there's a really great Super Tails sprite sheet out there... somewhere... by some guy named shadow_91. These sprites are really great. Like, really good. Quality. Just like what I like to see in a sprite sheet. Also, credit to Joe T.E., his Sonic Battle style Super Sonic sprites have a great palette for a Super Sonic being beat up by Super Shadow, who's palette is from a Super Shadow sheet of unknown origin, but it turns out they were "borrowed" from a better sheet made by a certain Domenico. Oh, and the gif is actually a custom made super version of a similar gif, of which there are only 3 or 4 copies to be found by Google, and even then, evidently of an unknown source. Yep, it's one of those things. Stuff people have made, spread around, only for it to vanish and you to be the only person who still has a copy, not even knowing where it came from... like, literally at all. Oh, and anyone notice that Shadow's little chaos snap blast thingies are red and blue now? Yeah, I changed it. Problem, fans of purple? Yeah, I know you got a problem with that one, but you can just deal with it. After all, according to all known laws of aviation, there is no way a bee should be able to fly... alright, alright, I'll spare you the entire Bee Movie script, just Google it if you want. By the way, ever wonder how your characters would've ended up if they evolved in another universe? Yeah, that. Think about it. Ok, so you probably didn't bother reading up to here, but whatever, here's a surprise for you guys over at ESD (RP) who were crazy enough to read this: Emperor Nat of the mcfreakin' Terran Empire is gonna be right all along! The universe is gonna go BOOM! *Thumbs up to the insanity*
Oh, now don't tell me you want in on all this! Well, ok. Look this that Egg Pawn hanging outside your window, pointing his laser rifle at you, waiting for my next order. He's doing his part. He helps conquer the weak-minded. He roboticizes the weak-bodied. Heck, he even helps keep the useless people from causing any trouble, but you know what? Join. Find the closest Nataran Empire roboticization center near you and join the ranks, before the ranks find you. Oh, I know, you figure it must be so satisfying to know I basically rule the world now, and you know what? It is, but do you want to know the true definition of satisfaction? Well, let me tell you a little story. One day, you see a brand new event. They're giving out boxes that give old event stuff. Your dilithium is plentiful. You buy a whole lot of Phoenix packs on your main, and open them all. You get one epic token. Then, you decide, that since you have all the Breen ships and don't give a damn about the others, you exchange it for an ultra rare, and grab yourself a Jem'Hadar Attack Ship and for the hell of it, a Voth Bulwark. You open both, leaving the Bulwark in your vast masses of starships as you jump into the bugship and deck it out, deck by deck, into the most awesome Jem'Hadar ship you can. You fly it. You enjoy it. Eventually, you get bored and leave, leaving the old Bulwark never flown... until later. Your main is long complete. Your new alt main, based off some character you pulled out of nothing just to explain away some starship being in service without the command of your dear admiral, is also complete. Mostly. Their reps and doffs are hard at work, getting you stuff. You realize the potential, and head back for your dear admiral, pull the most Voth themed build you can out of thin air, and suit up in your giant ship in the shape of you know what. You head out... and cause all sorts of havoc. Enemies scream out your name as their very life is drained away by your swarms of Aceton Assimilators. They complain to the devs of your OPness when you revive yourself from death every time you die. Do you show any form of mercy? No. After all, this isn't the United Federation of Planets, this is mother frakkin' Starfleet, where you explore strange new worlds and kick butt never kicked before. Oh, and you realize that I just wrote another speech rivaling your own signature. Cool. Oh, wait, that's just the original draft, it is part of my signature now. Oh, and yes, I am aware that I have become a Canadian Regent; one day, sooner than you'd expect, we'll suddenly decide to take over the world and declare an "alliance", and I shall become it's Regent. You know, like the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance in the mirror universe of our beloved Star Trek. Oh, who'll we be taking over with? I dunno, maybe [REDACTED], or maybe aliens from outer space. Guess you'll have to wait and find out, won't we? Until then, don't ask too many questions, or else my Breen allies on Titania might pick up on your -- [REDACTED BY BREEN CONFEDERACY FOR REASONS] Also, psst... keep an eye out for flying Tribbles! Also walls. Big, great walls, separating entire continents apart. Walls patrolled by Tribbles. Flying Tribbles. Flying Nukara Tribbles. Don't worry, it's not like they were on Venus with a herd of Tholians or anything, they just like the extreme heat and brutal weather like acid rain and hurricane force winds as the norm. Oh, and definitely keep your eye out on any two-tailed foxes, because if they ain't glowing, they're definitely an imposter. Possibly an Undine, we caught one of those once in my place once. Oh, and if you find a two-tailed fox that doesn't like the cold... most certainly ask him to say sorry. If he refuses, DESTROY HIM WITH A DOOMSDAY MACHINE, BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING ELSE THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH AGAINST SUCH AN OVERPOWERED IMPOSTER!
tr;dr, I am winning last post wins 3.0. Thank you for your time.
The Starkiller base is also a little questionable. After all, it uses stars as it's power source. It used up one star to fire it's first shot to destroy Coruscant. How did they just happen to move the entire planet into a different star system to have access to another star?
The Starkiller base is also a little questionable. After all, it uses stars as it's power source. It used up one star to fire it's first shot to destroy Coruscant. How did they just happen to move the entire planet into a different star system to have access to another star?
Wait, that was Coruscant? What?
Nope, it wasn't. Some people are just making things up to disagree with.
The Starkiller base is also a little questionable. After all, it uses stars as it's power source. It used up one star to fire it's first shot to destroy Coruscant. How did they just happen to move the entire planet into a different star system to have access to another star?
Wait, that was Coruscant? What?
It's identified as the Hosnian system in dialogue.
Your father was captain of a starship for twelve minutes. He saved 800 lives, including your mother's, and yours.
Oh, ok. I didn't realize it didn't use the entire star for a single shot. As for the planet destroyed, the First Order had been talking about destroying the Republic once and for all, so that planet, which looks A LOT like Coruscant, actually being Coruscant, which was the Republic's capital, simply made sense. I can't say for sure whether or not that planet actually was Coruscant: it was just my most logical explanation.
Winning.
It's what I do. It's what I just did. It's what I'm about to do again. It's being undisputed emperor of an empire that cannot be disproved as the most powerful intergalactic empire in the entire universe; I always win, and everything I've won will definitely be won again... by me. It's my signature move, and thus, it's my signature. Problem, Sonic? Yeah, I mean you, Sonic, because you're being beat up, despite your being super. You can't even hit Shadow back, can you? Nope, he's too strong for you. Of course, I'm not Shadow, I'm the Super Emerald fueled fox that's pulling the strings; trust me, the fight would only be a few frames long if I were in it personally. Oh, and here's something for all you guys thinking you can win Last Post Wins 3.0; trust me, I'll be around a long while after the sun has already consumed the Earth while I sit out with the forum servers on Titan. Yes, I mean Titan... that comparatively little moon orbiting Saturn. It's a nice little place in a version of our solar system where the sun is a lot bigger. I mean, Mars will last longer than your precious Earth, but by then, it'll be one hot planet... and I figure Saturn's moon will be about the right temperate for a super-powered warlord. Oh, and trust me, I packed a lot of rings, and I mean a lot. Trillions, in fact, so I'll never run out of rings to power my super form. Besides, if I start to run out, I can just chaos control more rings into my reach. It's quite easy, really. You should try it. Granted, you'll never have the 7 Super Emeralds that I have in my possession, nor the Master Emerald that I've got hidden away somewhere... absorbed into my body thanks to Sonic logic, but whatever. I win. Again. I'm not kidding, either. Just check Last Post Wins, and if the last post isn't mine, it soon will be. Very, very soon. You can count on it. Seriously. By the way, if you're wondering, there's a really great Super Tails sprite sheet out there... somewhere... by some guy named shadow_91. These sprites are really great. Like, really good. Quality. Just like what I like to see in a sprite sheet. Also, credit to Joe T.E., his Sonic Battle style Super Sonic sprites have a great palette for a Super Sonic being beat up by Super Shadow, who's palette is from a Super Shadow sheet of unknown origin, but it turns out they were "borrowed" from a better sheet made by a certain Domenico. Oh, and the gif is actually a custom made super version of a similar gif, of which there are only 3 or 4 copies to be found by Google, and even then, evidently of an unknown source. Yep, it's one of those things. Stuff people have made, spread around, only for it to vanish and you to be the only person who still has a copy, not even knowing where it came from... like, literally at all. Oh, and anyone notice that Shadow's little chaos snap blast thingies are red and blue now? Yeah, I changed it. Problem, fans of purple? Yeah, I know you got a problem with that one, but you can just deal with it. After all, according to all known laws of aviation, there is no way a bee should be able to fly... alright, alright, I'll spare you the entire Bee Movie script, just Google it if you want. By the way, ever wonder how your characters would've ended up if they evolved in another universe? Yeah, that. Think about it. Ok, so you probably didn't bother reading up to here, but whatever, here's a surprise for you guys over at ESD (RP) who were crazy enough to read this: Emperor Nat of the mcfreakin' Terran Empire is gonna be right all along! The universe is gonna go BOOM! *Thumbs up to the insanity*
Oh, now don't tell me you want in on all this! Well, ok. Look this that Egg Pawn hanging outside your window, pointing his laser rifle at you, waiting for my next order. He's doing his part. He helps conquer the weak-minded. He roboticizes the weak-bodied. Heck, he even helps keep the useless people from causing any trouble, but you know what? Join. Find the closest Nataran Empire roboticization center near you and join the ranks, before the ranks find you. Oh, I know, you figure it must be so satisfying to know I basically rule the world now, and you know what? It is, but do you want to know the true definition of satisfaction? Well, let me tell you a little story. One day, you see a brand new event. They're giving out boxes that give old event stuff. Your dilithium is plentiful. You buy a whole lot of Phoenix packs on your main, and open them all. You get one epic token. Then, you decide, that since you have all the Breen ships and don't give a damn about the others, you exchange it for an ultra rare, and grab yourself a Jem'Hadar Attack Ship and for the hell of it, a Voth Bulwark. You open both, leaving the Bulwark in your vast masses of starships as you jump into the bugship and deck it out, deck by deck, into the most awesome Jem'Hadar ship you can. You fly it. You enjoy it. Eventually, you get bored and leave, leaving the old Bulwark never flown... until later. Your main is long complete. Your new alt main, based off some character you pulled out of nothing just to explain away some starship being in service without the command of your dear admiral, is also complete. Mostly. Their reps and doffs are hard at work, getting you stuff. You realize the potential, and head back for your dear admiral, pull the most Voth themed build you can out of thin air, and suit up in your giant ship in the shape of you know what. You head out... and cause all sorts of havoc. Enemies scream out your name as their very life is drained away by your swarms of Aceton Assimilators. They complain to the devs of your OPness when you revive yourself from death every time you die. Do you show any form of mercy? No. After all, this isn't the United Federation of Planets, this is mother frakkin' Starfleet, where you explore strange new worlds and kick butt never kicked before. Oh, and you realize that I just wrote another speech rivaling your own signature. Cool. Oh, wait, that's just the original draft, it is part of my signature now. Oh, and yes, I am aware that I have become a Canadian Regent; one day, sooner than you'd expect, we'll suddenly decide to take over the world and declare an "alliance", and I shall become it's Regent. You know, like the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance in the mirror universe of our beloved Star Trek. Oh, who'll we be taking over with? I dunno, maybe [REDACTED], or maybe aliens from outer space. Guess you'll have to wait and find out, won't we? Until then, don't ask too many questions, or else my Breen allies on Titania might pick up on your -- [REDACTED BY BREEN CONFEDERACY FOR REASONS] Also, psst... keep an eye out for flying Tribbles! Also walls. Big, great walls, separating entire continents apart. Walls patrolled by Tribbles. Flying Tribbles. Flying Nukara Tribbles. Don't worry, it's not like they were on Venus with a herd of Tholians or anything, they just like the extreme heat and brutal weather like acid rain and hurricane force winds as the norm. Oh, and definitely keep your eye out on any two-tailed foxes, because if they ain't glowing, they're definitely an imposter. Possibly an Undine, we caught one of those once in my place once. Oh, and if you find a two-tailed fox that doesn't like the cold... most certainly ask him to say sorry. If he refuses, DESTROY HIM WITH A DOOMSDAY MACHINE, BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING ELSE THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH AGAINST SUCH AN OVERPOWERED IMPOSTER!
tr;dr, I am winning last post wins 3.0. Thank you for your time.
Comments
So you're saying Finn saw Poe wasn't in the TIE, but thought he died in the crash? If the TIE was empty that would suggest otherwise. And I thought you said his jacket was caught on something and he had to take it off to get out? But now he was ejected?
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
The movie shows Finn 'attempting' to see if Poe is in the cockpit, but the inside of cockpit is apparently burning with the jacket laying partially on the sand and partially on the framework of the front of the cockpit.
We see Finn grab the jacket and fall back due to the heat and smoke and then the TIE begins to sink into the sand.
It's not all that clear exactly what he actually sees inside of TIE because of the distant camera angle.
The book makes it seem like Finn sees something inside the burning cockpit and assumes it's Poe.
At which point he spots the jacket caught in the front window framework and pulls it out.
Poe tells Finn in the book when they next meet on D'Qar, that he was ejected out the front and landed in the sand.
He then woke up and wandered off, apparently in the opposite direction that Finn went.
Apparently in the movie, Finn is so distraught he doesn't think to look for footprints around the TIE.
There's a whole part in the book that tells of how Poe survives in the Jakku desert and how he eventually gets off planet.
JJ obviously edited that out of the movie to keep the audience guessing as to Poe's eventual outcome...
Was he dead or not...
The only problem (IMO) is that anybody who saw the trailers for the movie, knew in advance that Poe doesn't die because we saw him flying an X-wing in a trailer scene that hadn't been shown at the time of his supposed death in the movie.
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So when did he take the jacket off, according to the book? While he was trying to crash land?
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
Sorry, it is a bit convoluted between the book and the movie...
No, in the book Poe is only unconscious, after hitting his head when the TIE is struck by the New Order shot.
He awakens just after Finn ejects and then manages to fly the ship down to a crash landing.
(we don't see this in the movie which is why we're lead to believe with Finn that he's dead)
Apparently after hitting the ground, Poe ends up hanging partially out the front of the cockpit, face first in the sand.
(which Poe describes later as "being ejected")
At that point he struggles out of the jacket cause it's caught in the framework of the ship.
He's dazed and wanders off into the desert.
It is some time before Finn finally walks from where his ejection seat drops him to the TIE crash site.
Even though the movie is kinda vague about that.
By the time Finn gets there, the ships interior has been burning for awhile, and Finn can't really tell if Poe is in there or not.
Finn assumes he is.
Somehow the jacket miraculously survives the heat and flames for Finn to find.
I'm thinking that Poe's uncanny good luck must have rubbed off on it.
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The funny thing is that SWEU killed off Chewbacca. But for the actual movie, Han Solo bites it! In the end after all these years, Harrisson Ford got his way
Here is the part of that explanation that I don't really understand: how was he "partially ejected" from the cockpit, while still wearing his jacket, if the jacket was also caught in the TIE? And if the jacket was in fact caught, how did Finn just pull it out with no problem? Obviously this is not some big plot point, but the explanation doesn't seem to make any logical sense.
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
That movie (along with Star Trek Beyond) will be kicka**!
Also, the Trekkie's version of Bohemian Rhapsody:
I see a little silohetto of a fool/(Vaadwaur),
Voyager, Voyager, will you fire a torpedo?
Tetryon and Tractors, very very annoying me!
Tom Paris, Tom Paris, Tom Paris, Tom Paris,
Tom Paris, Harry Kim, TAKE US HOME!!!
So much wrong with it.
A few examples:
How did the bad guy know where Vader's remains were? Did Unca Luke bring that up often as polite conversation? Death Star sized plot hole.
Who thought letting Harrison Ford kill off the character that made him, much like Nimoy did, was a good idea. (Sorry, I know it's too soon, but Nimoy came to his senses where I'm pretty sure "Indi" won't) Yes. Harrys been whining about killing off Han for decades and Lucas wouldn't do it, for a good reason that this movie demonstrates.
BB-8 is completely implausible, there only to show off the CGI.
At least Darth Gonzo got work.
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
Because after burning Vader's body, he rejoined the others at the Ewok village. From that a lone, you have a very general area to look in finding Darth Vader's remains. It's not like you're Tomb Raiding some lost civilization's ruins in the middle of nowhere
BB-8 isn't CGI, that's a real, "working" droid.
They showed it off at Comic-Con, and you can buy a little BB-8 that uses the same basic tech.
Yep, he was at the premier too.
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
I did say that it was a bit convoluted between the book and the movie.
From what I could gather... (speculation mode ON)
When the TIE hit the ground, the pilot seat broke free and slammed forward breaking the glass of the cockpit window.
(why Poe wasn't squished is beyond me, more of that uncanny luck of his)
As he struggles to get out of the seat harness, he's forced also to slide partially out of his jacket.
Apparently, the way the seat ends up, is half hanging in and out of the cockpit with Poe face down in the sand.
(this is what he tells Finn later was an "ejection", his word not mine)
In the process of extracting himself, the jacket get's caught on something (the frame of the front window and/or the seat), the seat drops back into the TIE as Poe slips out (in order for Finn to not be able to tell if Poe is in there with the flames and smoke), and he is so dazed that he doesn't think about taking the jacket with him, thus leaving it behind as he wanders away. (speculation mode OFF)
It's a plot device, kinda lame, but it gives Finn something to wear while wandering the desert and a memento of his newly found -Supposedly Dead- friend.
It also is used as a literary device in the building of their friendship...,
When Finn tries to give it back to Poe later on D'Qar, Poe tells him to keep it, "...it looks good on him..., and I've got a new one..."
It's a small tidbit, but apparently JJ felt it was important enough to put in the movie.
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To be fair, some of the shots of BB-8 are CGI...
Especially the part where he's tumbling around the inside of Millennium Falcon and uses his retractable cables to anchor himself.
BTW: that whole scene is two sentences in the book, with the cable part being completely left out.
(speculation)
Must be the Tech's at ILM came up with that shot and JJ liked it enough to add it to the film.
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Yes, I agree, the could've made it to where he goes out like Kirk's father, by ramming the Falcon (badly damaged or not) into the star destroyer's bridge. I mean, do they want us to show our anger? Fortunately for me, I know about it thanks to my brother, so it probably won't be AS sad for me.
I've seen it twice now, both times it brought a tear to my eye and a bit of angry frustration to my thought processes.
But I guess that's what it is supposed to do...,
In the book Kylo also has mixed feelings.
He's satisfied and proud to be able to tell Master Snoke he has achieved a great step in his journey toward the Dark Side of the Force, but he also contemplates what it means to his Mother.
Which he quickly dismisses to the back of his thoughts, but it lingers there.
It's obvious to me that they plan on having Kylo Ren be a very conflicted character throughout this new trilogy.
Every time he does something dark and evil, his thought processes include having to push back against the Light Side in him.
He's never going to be able to be completely evil like his grandfather, because he isn't able to entirely ignore the parts of his Mother in him.
His real angst will be when he finally meets his mother again.
(you know they are going to include a scene like this at some point)
Leia is probably going to be the one who distracts Ren causing him to be struck down by Rey in their final battle together as equal users of the Force.
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I do agree the audience is supposed to feel sad/angry at the death of Han. However, I think we are supposed to feel that way because we love the character, not because the director/writer killed him in such an inglorious way. I agree that George Kirk had a great hero's death and Han deserved something similar.
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
Remember, this is the Internet...
A LOT of people say stuff here they would probably never say to someone in person.
The anonymity of the web does often bring out the worst in people.
And, some folks just like to be negative-nellys when the majority is positive.
Also, there may be people who just don't like the movie, for whatever reason.
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Yeah, but it is easier to dismiss criticism when you create a strawman and lump everybody you disagree with into that group.
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
Which in reality, IS a critique of JJ and his decisions about the plots and characters.
I wonder who will be the first one to "bring Han back" in a book or comic?
<chuckle>
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Every critique of every movie ever made is based on some decision that some person involved with the movie made. Visual, sound, story; all them are decisions people made. So any critique about any aspect of a movie is someone thinking it "should have gone"(or be done) a different way.
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
BB-8 is a real prop, you can actually get a real (miniature) one.
Your father was captain of a starship for twelve minutes. He saved 800 lives, including your mother's, and yours.
I dare you to do better.
What I find a little hard to believe is how somebody recovered Anakin/Luke's original lightsaber. Seriously, it fell into the same bottomless pit that Luke did. Luke managed to grab onto some antennae and call out for help using the force. How did the lightsaber survive?
The Starkiller base is also a little questionable. After all, it uses stars as it's power source. It used up one star to fire it's first shot to destroy Coruscant. How did they just happen to move the entire planet into a different star system to have access to another star?
Winning.
Oh, now don't tell me you want in on all this! Well, ok. Look this that Egg Pawn hanging outside your window, pointing his laser rifle at you, waiting for my next order. He's doing his part. He helps conquer the weak-minded. He roboticizes the weak-bodied. Heck, he even helps keep the useless people from causing any trouble, but you know what? Join. Find the closest Nataran Empire roboticization center near you and join the ranks, before the ranks find you. Oh, I know, you figure it must be so satisfying to know I basically rule the world now, and you know what? It is, but do you want to know the true definition of satisfaction? Well, let me tell you a little story. One day, you see a brand new event. They're giving out boxes that give old event stuff. Your dilithium is plentiful. You buy a whole lot of Phoenix packs on your main, and open them all. You get one epic token. Then, you decide, that since you have all the Breen ships and don't give a damn about the others, you exchange it for an ultra rare, and grab yourself a Jem'Hadar Attack Ship and for the hell of it, a Voth Bulwark. You open both, leaving the Bulwark in your vast masses of starships as you jump into the bugship and deck it out, deck by deck, into the most awesome Jem'Hadar ship you can. You fly it. You enjoy it. Eventually, you get bored and leave, leaving the old Bulwark never flown... until later. Your main is long complete. Your new alt main, based off some character you pulled out of nothing just to explain away some starship being in service without the command of your dear admiral, is also complete. Mostly. Their reps and doffs are hard at work, getting you stuff. You realize the potential, and head back for your dear admiral, pull the most Voth themed build you can out of thin air, and suit up in your giant ship in the shape of you know what. You head out... and cause all sorts of havoc. Enemies scream out your name as their very life is drained away by your swarms of Aceton Assimilators. They complain to the devs of your OPness when you revive yourself from death every time you die. Do you show any form of mercy? No. After all, this isn't the United Federation of Planets, this is mother frakkin' Starfleet, where you explore strange new worlds and kick butt never kicked before. Oh, and you realize that I just wrote another speech rivaling your own signature. Cool. Oh, wait, that's just the original draft, it is part of my signature now. Oh, and yes, I am aware that I have become a Canadian Regent; one day, sooner than you'd expect, we'll suddenly decide to take over the world and declare an "alliance", and I shall become it's Regent. You know, like the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance in the mirror universe of our beloved Star Trek. Oh, who'll we be taking over with? I dunno, maybe [REDACTED], or maybe aliens from outer space. Guess you'll have to wait and find out, won't we? Until then, don't ask too many questions, or else my Breen allies on Titania might pick up on your -- [REDACTED BY BREEN CONFEDERACY FOR REASONS] Also, psst... keep an eye out for flying Tribbles! Also walls. Big, great walls, separating entire continents apart. Walls patrolled by Tribbles. Flying Tribbles. Flying Nukara Tribbles. Don't worry, it's not like they were on Venus with a herd of Tholians or anything, they just like the extreme heat and brutal weather like acid rain and hurricane force winds as the norm. Oh, and definitely keep your eye out on any two-tailed foxes, because if they ain't glowing, they're definitely an imposter. Possibly an Undine, we caught one of those once in my place once. Oh, and if you find a two-tailed fox that doesn't like the cold... most certainly ask him to say sorry. If he refuses, DESTROY HIM WITH A DOOMSDAY MACHINE, BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING ELSE THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH AGAINST SUCH AN OVERPOWERED IMPOSTER!
tr;dr, I am winning last post wins 3.0. Thank you for your time.
Wait, that was Coruscant? What?
Nope, it wasn't. Some people are just making things up to disagree with.
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Join Date: Sep 2008
My character Tsin'xing
It's identified as the Hosnian system in dialogue.
Your father was captain of a starship for twelve minutes. He saved 800 lives, including your mother's, and yours.
I dare you to do better.
Winning.
Oh, now don't tell me you want in on all this! Well, ok. Look this that Egg Pawn hanging outside your window, pointing his laser rifle at you, waiting for my next order. He's doing his part. He helps conquer the weak-minded. He roboticizes the weak-bodied. Heck, he even helps keep the useless people from causing any trouble, but you know what? Join. Find the closest Nataran Empire roboticization center near you and join the ranks, before the ranks find you. Oh, I know, you figure it must be so satisfying to know I basically rule the world now, and you know what? It is, but do you want to know the true definition of satisfaction? Well, let me tell you a little story. One day, you see a brand new event. They're giving out boxes that give old event stuff. Your dilithium is plentiful. You buy a whole lot of Phoenix packs on your main, and open them all. You get one epic token. Then, you decide, that since you have all the Breen ships and don't give a damn about the others, you exchange it for an ultra rare, and grab yourself a Jem'Hadar Attack Ship and for the hell of it, a Voth Bulwark. You open both, leaving the Bulwark in your vast masses of starships as you jump into the bugship and deck it out, deck by deck, into the most awesome Jem'Hadar ship you can. You fly it. You enjoy it. Eventually, you get bored and leave, leaving the old Bulwark never flown... until later. Your main is long complete. Your new alt main, based off some character you pulled out of nothing just to explain away some starship being in service without the command of your dear admiral, is also complete. Mostly. Their reps and doffs are hard at work, getting you stuff. You realize the potential, and head back for your dear admiral, pull the most Voth themed build you can out of thin air, and suit up in your giant ship in the shape of you know what. You head out... and cause all sorts of havoc. Enemies scream out your name as their very life is drained away by your swarms of Aceton Assimilators. They complain to the devs of your OPness when you revive yourself from death every time you die. Do you show any form of mercy? No. After all, this isn't the United Federation of Planets, this is mother frakkin' Starfleet, where you explore strange new worlds and kick butt never kicked before. Oh, and you realize that I just wrote another speech rivaling your own signature. Cool. Oh, wait, that's just the original draft, it is part of my signature now. Oh, and yes, I am aware that I have become a Canadian Regent; one day, sooner than you'd expect, we'll suddenly decide to take over the world and declare an "alliance", and I shall become it's Regent. You know, like the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance in the mirror universe of our beloved Star Trek. Oh, who'll we be taking over with? I dunno, maybe [REDACTED], or maybe aliens from outer space. Guess you'll have to wait and find out, won't we? Until then, don't ask too many questions, or else my Breen allies on Titania might pick up on your -- [REDACTED BY BREEN CONFEDERACY FOR REASONS] Also, psst... keep an eye out for flying Tribbles! Also walls. Big, great walls, separating entire continents apart. Walls patrolled by Tribbles. Flying Tribbles. Flying Nukara Tribbles. Don't worry, it's not like they were on Venus with a herd of Tholians or anything, they just like the extreme heat and brutal weather like acid rain and hurricane force winds as the norm. Oh, and definitely keep your eye out on any two-tailed foxes, because if they ain't glowing, they're definitely an imposter. Possibly an Undine, we caught one of those once in my place once. Oh, and if you find a two-tailed fox that doesn't like the cold... most certainly ask him to say sorry. If he refuses, DESTROY HIM WITH A DOOMSDAY MACHINE, BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING ELSE THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH AGAINST SUCH AN OVERPOWERED IMPOSTER!
tr;dr, I am winning last post wins 3.0. Thank you for your time.