Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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They wern't really a race. They were a band of bad kids. Whom I would assume rejoined their families after Insurrection.
I'm pretty sure they were a race. The Baku didn't originate on that planet, they found it and settled there. I believe they even stated it was to get away from technology etc. The Son'a are those (from the Baku) who wanted that technological edge again.
Considering what the Son'a we know managed to accomplish, I understood it that they went back to their former empire/faction. Where would they have got the technology to take on a Sovereign Class otherwise?
We get the Briar Patch in-game, which debuted in the same film, so there probably isn't an IP issue keeping them from appearing.
Maybe the issue is that it was implied that they went to live on that planet in the Briar Patch where no one wants to leave so why would we meet them?
We could visit the Baku planet. It supposedly makes people immortal, so those Son'a could still be there. But they also supposedly had some kind of little empire going on, which supposedly included more than two ships. And even if the Son'a in the movie were the only actual Son'a in existence, there would still be the slave races they were said to have conquered.
And seriously, who in here doubts those Son'a ships won't eventually make their way to a lockbox near you?
And seriously, who in here doubts those Son'a ships won't eventually make their way to a lockbox near you?
Honestly, I'm surprised they haven't already. I was expecting them shortly after the Dominion Lock Box, and to think of all the other stuff we've had since.
Last I checked @spielman1, the Romulan Republic was a breakaway faction. Look at them now. If a bunch of Pirates (Kazon) can be found in a Lock Box, then so can the Son'a. Cryptic have three very unique ships to play with here, the Collector easily has the potential to become a Carrier too.
Possibly, but doubtful. Most of their race/federation dissipated centuries ago. From what we know of them, most, if not all live in the briar patch, isolated from everything else.
I never understood that throw-away comment on DS9, where it said that the Son'ar had either joined or signed a non-aggression pact with the Dominion! I mean...why?
Actually, it was that the Son'a manufactured Ketracel for the Dominion. Why? well, Riker looked them up on the Ent-E computer. then he read off a list of reasons why the Feds don't like the Son'a. One of them was being Dominion allies.
Last I checked @spielman1, the Romulan Republic was a breakaway faction. Look at them now. If a bunch of Pirates (Kazon) can be found in a Lock Box, then so can the Son'a. Cryptic have three very unique ships to play with here, the Collector easily has the potential to become a Carrier too.
The Romulan Republic is a faction not a break away state or power they have there roots in the Imperial Romulan State that Donatra started due to the fact that her and Tal'Aura where political enemies. That rejoined the the Empire that mis treated theme. It was also stated in the game that it was a civil war between the Tal Shiar and the Empire and the followers of D'Tan. List of official books that explains it.
ST - Typhon Pact novel: Rough Beasts of Empire
ST novel: Articles of the Federation
TNG novel: Death in Winter
ST - Destiny novel: Mere Mortals
#1 I don't believe Books are considered cannon.
#2 Doesn't explain the Kazon.
Well, we don't know where the Temporal cold war story is headed next.
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#1 your opinion but officially the books are just as cannon as the movies and episodes if they are not part of the Expanded universe{Star Trek Expanded Universe series.
@f2pdrakron has already cleared this up, so yeah... Looks like you're wrong here.
By that very definition, the Son'a are no different. If we are to believe that the Son'a are merely a minority of Baku that left, then we could argue they were slaves to their [then] society; they wanted out, so they acquired their technology and went back into space.
The point I was trying to make though, is that considering what ships we have seen in lock boxes already, to use the reason that we wont/cant have the Son'a because they're not a faction is just stupid. We've got the Kazon ships, the Ferengi ships, we've even got the Year of Hell alliance ships. If we can have all of those, then the Son'a have no excuse to be vacant.
And yeah, someone else has said that the lock boxes seem to theme into running content, although when they started out, it wasn't so. Cardassian, Ferengi, Dominion & Temporal were all before their time. It wasn't really until we got into the Elachi Lock Box that they started to follow a trend. Then again, both the Xindi ones break that trend, so I still remain optimistic that the Son'a ships have a place in Cryptic's galactic fleet. Aside from the Dominion Battlecruiser, and the Cardassian Keldon, the Son'a (I think) are the only ships missing that people still want.
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They wern't really a race. They were a band of bad kids. Whom I would assume rejoined their families after Insurrection.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
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'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Maybe the issue is that it was implied that they went to live on that planet in the Briar Patch where no one wants to leave so why would we meet them?
Considering what the Son'a we know managed to accomplish, I understood it that they went back to their former empire/faction. Where would they have got the technology to take on a Sovereign Class otherwise?
We could visit the Baku planet. It supposedly makes people immortal, so those Son'a could still be there. But they also supposedly had some kind of little empire going on, which supposedly included more than two ships. And even if the Son'a in the movie were the only actual Son'a in existence, there would still be the slave races they were said to have conquered.
And seriously, who in here doubts those Son'a ships won't eventually make their way to a lockbox near you?
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#2 Doesn't explain the Kazon.
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By that very definition, the Son'a are no different. If we are to believe that the Son'a are merely a minority of Baku that left, then we could argue they were slaves to their [then] society; they wanted out, so they acquired their technology and went back into space.
The point I was trying to make though, is that considering what ships we have seen in lock boxes already, to use the reason that we wont/cant have the Son'a because they're not a faction is just stupid. We've got the Kazon ships, the Ferengi ships, we've even got the Year of Hell alliance ships. If we can have all of those, then the Son'a have no excuse to be vacant.
And yeah, someone else has said that the lock boxes seem to theme into running content, although when they started out, it wasn't so. Cardassian, Ferengi, Dominion & Temporal were all before their time. It wasn't really until we got into the Elachi Lock Box that they started to follow a trend. Then again, both the Xindi ones break that trend, so I still remain optimistic that the Son'a ships have a place in Cryptic's galactic fleet. Aside from the Dominion Battlecruiser, and the Cardassian Keldon, the Son'a (I think) are the only ships missing that people still want.