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Lack of ships for Romulan Faction

illuminat1illuminat1 Member Posts: 7 Arc User
I hope I am not the only one that has noticed that Romulan and Klingon factions are suffering a lack of ships. The Federation is getting tons of ships where as Romulans and Klingons aren't. Hell with the announcement of the new T6 Federation Carrier many of us hoped that the Romulans and Klingons would also be also be receiving a new carrier. But from the looks of things its just the federation. There is a big miss-balance between the three factions. And I am sure its being said why develop ships for a faction that isn't played as much as the Federation faction. But have you considered that more people would play them if they were given as many options as the Federation?
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  • royalsovereignroyalsovereign Member Posts: 1,344 Arc User
    In the main discussion thread for the new carrier, Trendy did say several times she is working to try and address this. I think that we (and KDF too) will get some kind of T6 Science option sometime relatively soon, and that we'll get a full carrier eventually.
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  • tolmariustolmarius Member Posts: 400 Arc User
    Well, Trendy is just one woman. I seriously doubt she has many other people who care overmuch about the other factions on her side.
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  • kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    illuminat1 wrote: »
    I hope I am not the only one that has noticed that Romulan and Klingon factions are suffering a lack of ships. The Federation is getting tons of ships where as Romulans and Klingons aren't. Hell with the announcement of the new T6 Federation Carrier many of us hoped that the Romulans and Klingons would also be also be receiving a new carrier. But from the looks of things its just the federation. There is a big miss-balance between the three factions. And I am sure its being said why develop ships for a faction that isn't played as much as the Federation faction. But have you considered that more people would play them if they were given as many options as the Federation?

    Welcome to the fraction, and TRIBBLE we've been bitchin bout since LoR launched
  • catoblepasbetacatoblepasbeta Member Posts: 1,532 Arc User
    To be fair, Trendy (rather grumpily) did say that they are working on Romulan and Klingon equivalents. Whether or not we'll get new hanger pets is another question..the Feds certainly are (and a new escort down the lines too, by the looks of it). Hopefully the Klingons and Romulans won't get stuck with the same bird of prey and drone ship pets.
  • annahielannahiel Member Posts: 5 Arc User
    Not sure if you people follow podcasts but the devs has said several times they cant add any ship they wish, even if for reasons for fairness or balance, unless CBS agrees to it. If CBS wishes the Romulans and Klingons to have few ships and that STO be a Federation biased game, it shall be so.
  • kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    edited November 2015
    To be fair, Trendy (rather grumpily) did say that they are working on Romulan and Klingon equivalents. Whether or not we'll get new hanger pets is another question..the Feds certainly are (and a new escort down the lines too, by the looks of it). Hopefully the Klingons and Romulans won't get stuck with the same bird of prey and drone ship pets.
    Actually she said shes working on trying to get approval for Rom and Klink carriers done via a poll like the Jupiter, not that they were actually being worked on.
    annahiel wrote: »
    Not sure if you people follow podcasts but the devs has said several times they cant add any ship they wish, even if for reasons for fairness or balance, unless CBS agrees to it. If CBS wishes the Romulans and Klingons to have few ships and that STO be a Federation biased game, it shall be so.
    I call complete BS on that... that was deflection at its finest... 'oh its not us its the magic boogey man upstairs you cant complain too'
  • annahielannahiel Member Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited November 2015
    To be fair, Trendy (rather grumpily) did say that they are working on Romulan and Klingon equivalents. Whether or not we'll get new hanger pets is another question..the Feds certainly are (and a new escort down the lines too, by the looks of it). Hopefully the Klingons and Romulans won't get stuck with the same bird of prey and drone ship pets.
    Actually she said shes working on trying to get approval for Rom and Klink carriers done via a poll like the Jupiter, not that they were actually being worked on.
    annahiel wrote: »
    Not sure if you people follow podcasts but the devs has said several times they cant add any ship they wish, even if for reasons for fairness or balance, unless CBS agrees to it. If CBS wishes the Romulans and Klingons to have few ships and that STO be a Federation biased game, it shall be so.
    I call complete BS on that... that was deflection at its finest... 'oh its not us its the magic boogey man upstairs you cant complain too'

    "I call complete BS"

    Deal with it...which I see you already have been and shall continue to do. You have no voice or weight on the subject. Be humble in your powerless position and your ignorance on the matter. Tis the wise course of action. Would you wantingly wish to be unwise?

    There are thing happening slowly, but assuredly, behind the scenes that might be beyond your wit to comprehend; obviously this is beyond your patience to behold.
  • annahielannahiel Member Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited November 2015
    spielman1 wrote: »
    Man this post is goin bad quick.

    It was all too predictable.

    The sited links above are to soft-canon ships. The most famous public tracking in STO of a soft-canon ship made formal was the Vesta class by Mark Rademaker. The process chronicled the legal issues adding and selling a ship not owned and sourced by the CBS. Needless to say, it was not as easy as some thought. Even the process of the fan created Odyssey class gave some a small glimpse of intellectual property law. The Star Trek pie of ownership is quite divided and a barbed barrier to much potential content. Some in the community saw the strange struggles the game devs had to go through to add a ship after the public followed the Vesta and Odyssey process.

    A dev commented that it could take 3 days or a week to create a ship in game (with a very specific polygon maximum) but the deliberation and approval process could take a month or a year. In some cases, never.

  • reximuzreximuz Member Posts: 1,166 Arc User
    ruinthefun wrote: »
    KDF players are ultimately understanding people with low expectations.

    LOL, have you even seen the KDF community? They think Romulans are whiners at just over half as many ships as they have, no real faction, and no faction Starbases.

  • kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    annahiel wrote: »
    Deal with it...which I see you already have been and shall continue to do. You have no voice or weight on the subject. Be humble in your powerless position and your ignorance on the matter. Tis the wise course of action. Would you wantingly wish to be unwise?

    There are thing happening slowly, but assuredly, behind the scenes that might be beyond your wit to comprehend; obviously this is beyond your patience to behold.
    Just because I don't agree that CBS micromanages any and all ships that can/cannot be added into the game, esp when invented by the game developers, does not make me ignorant, nor witless. Begone troll, your terrible attempt to try and play the pseudo-intellectual card has failed miserably.
  • theearthdragontheearthdragon Member Posts: 48 Arc User
    Am I the only one that has noticed the Roms get more then anyone?

    What the point of making any other toon? You can get all the same stuff the others get plus Romulan things.

    I'd have been "all in" with Romulans until the Cards if they were a Legit faction. But instead........
  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    edited November 2015
    To be fair, Trendy (rather grumpily) did say that they are working on Romulan and Klingon equivalents. Whether or not we'll get new hanger pets is another question..the Feds certainly are (and a new escort down the lines too, by the looks of it). Hopefully the Klingons and Romulans won't get stuck with the same bird of prey and drone ship pets.
    Actually she said shes working on trying to get approval for Rom and Klink carriers done via a poll like the Jupiter, not that they were actually being worked on.
    annahiel wrote: »
    Not sure if you people follow podcasts but the devs has said several times they cant add any ship they wish, even if for reasons for fairness or balance, unless CBS agrees to it. If CBS wishes the Romulans and Klingons to have few ships and that STO be a Federation biased game, it shall be so.
    I call complete BS on that... that was deflection at its finest... 'oh its not us its the magic boogey man upstairs you cant complain too'
    I don't think citing CBS is complete TRIBBLE. it depends on the context. The "No Endgame Constitution" rule is most likely really something from CBS. Cryptic could make lots of money if they offered that. Even if if it was just the Constitution Refit.

    It might also be that the CBS can veto ship designs, and maybe did so. But it's probably not a very common occurence.

    The lack of Klingon or Romulan ships is a question of economics. Cryptic is making this game to earn money. Creating a ship costs money (20 days of work from the ship artist alone, plus all the surrounding stuff), and they want to get that a return on that investment.
    And as long as a Federation ship can earn them more money than a Klingon or Romulan ship, they will tend to spend their development resources to make those.

    I feel that the 3-Packs we've seen are kinda a compromise solution. They know that Klingon and Romulan ships will generate less sales than the Federation ones, but if they put it in a 3 (or even 9!) pack, then a lot of people that would normally buy only the Federation ship would buy all 3 because "It's 3 for 2". They get more sales per Klingon or Romulan ship than normally.

    The lack of new Science Vessels in general I think is a sign of where they lack a similar concept. Science Vessels are also not all that popular. They basically would need to bundle Science Vessels with Escorts and (Battle)Cruisers to get a similar effect as with the KDF/ROM/FED packs. They did that with the Intel ships, kinda.


    But I think there is some level of market saturation possible - If there have been a few Cruisers and Escorts in a row, players wiill not buy a new one so quickly - that might be the opportunity for a Science Vessel. And maybe even one in a cross-faction pack.


    Of course, I thought the Fed Carrier would have been the ideal opportunity to also release at least a Tier 6 Vo'Quv... so maybe sales for KDF/RR/Science ships are worse than I hoped for?
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  • skylarcometskylarcomet Member Posts: 182 Arc User
    Sales for what Romulan Science ships? The only C-Store Romulan Science ship was the DSD, which I am pretty sure sold poorly across all factions. So yes, since there are 0 other Romulan Science ships they have sold very poorly, because there wasn't any to buy.
    >:)ruff, meow, moo, whatever.... *shrug*
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  • tarran61tarran61 Member Posts: 827 Arc User
    coldnapalm wrote: »
    Oh...don't forget that the fed players feel they are getting jipped because other factions has nice stuff they can't have .
    My main and best toon is Fed, I do have a Romulan and KDF, Romulans get Fat Chickens for ships and KDF get Lego bock ships. So the only complaining this fed is doing is for my Romulan and Klingon ladies.. ;-) Please give us some ship's but make them look at good as the fed ones. If I could I would buy cannon skins for any ship I have, fed, rom of kdf. I love the TOS skins. D7 is the best ever.
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  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    Sales for what Romulan Science ships? The only C-Store Romulan Science ship was the DSD, which I am pretty sure sold poorly across all factions. So yes, since there are 0 other Romulan Science ships they have sold very poorly, because there wasn't any to buy.
    Sales for the Romulan Science Vessels specifically are not that relevant, I think. it's unlikely that there would be a big difference between Klingon, Romulan and Federation sales by ship type. I think the ship class trends are pretty faction-agnostic.

    I suppose there might be a seperate trend in favor of canon vessels, particularly hero ships like the Enterprise, Defiant and Voyager, but that's not helping the Romulans or Klingons. Not enough canonical vessels.
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  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    @mustrumridcully0, it's an interesting thing you mention about saturation. How many TAC Cruisers and Escorts can you put out in a row before nobody gives a TRIBBLE because they got the one they want already?
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  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    @mustrumridcully0, it's an interesting thing you mention about saturation. How many TAC Cruisers and Escorts can you put out in a row before nobody gives a TRIBBLE because they got the one they want already?
    As an SV fan, I sure hope we're reaching that limit soon.

    But giving the requests for the Fed Carrier to be Engineering or Tactical... *sigh*
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  • harlequinpixieharlequinpixie Member Posts: 172 Arc User
    I would sooner buy a Romulan Science ship than another fed cruiser/escort/carrier. I bought the three pack Dyson destroyer for my Romulan science, but. I'm pretty fed up of being stuck in a ship that cannot use a specialization seat. I'd rather not go to the exchange to buy a over priced lock box ship that isn't even Romulan. Plenty of people have said that the Romulans lack ships, and so do the Klingons. I gave up playing my Klingon due to the lack of choice.

    As it is, I have spent a small fortune on Federation ships T5 and 6, yet. My Romulans struggle to even do the Admiralty system due to the lack of the key ships required. I'm even finding I lack anything with engineering over 30. All in all, I suspect that a decent Romulan science ship will sell rather well, if they bothered to add one.
  • kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    I dunno wtf Id do for admiralty missions sometimes if it werent for the theln, nandi, samsar and grett
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